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:00:00. > :00:07.They escaped Syria's civil war only to find themselves centre

:00:08. > :00:24.Three refugees are accused of sexual assault in Newcastle.

:00:25. > :00:26.They say false claims were the product of

:00:27. > :00:31.Newsnight has followed the family of one of those accused over

:00:32. > :00:39.We were with them as the verdict came through.

:00:40. > :00:51.Did you ever think, this is worse than what we left behind?

:00:52. > :00:56.They're using the result as a cover for a hard Brexit for which they

:00:57. > :01:00.But which they intend to impose regardless.

:01:01. > :01:03.Sturgeon pulls no punches as she tells the Prime Minister

:01:04. > :01:06.to listen to her on Brexit or face the consequences of a second

:01:07. > :01:13.We'll hear live from former Scottish Europe Minister and leader

:01:14. > :01:19.of the SNP's In campaign, Humza Yousaf.

:01:20. > :01:25.Mortify my flesh that I may be multiplied.

:01:26. > :01:28.The Handmaid's Tale is only one of the politically inspired novels

:01:29. > :01:30.that today won Margaret Atwood the 2016 Pinter Prize.

:01:31. > :01:33.She tells me why her dystopic novel of female enslavement feels even

:01:34. > :01:38.Unfortunately, at the time I wrote it, there were people

:01:39. > :01:40.who were saying this could never happen in America.

:01:41. > :01:59.I don't think people are saying that much any more.

:02:00. > :02:03.What should rich countries like ours be doing to help

:02:04. > :02:05.the millions of people trying to escape Syria's

:02:06. > :02:08.It's a question that has paralysed Europe for much

:02:09. > :02:12.After argument and agonising, Britain agreed to take 20,000

:02:13. > :02:15.A tiny number compared to the million offered

:02:16. > :02:23.But when one of the first to arrive in Britain was charged with sexually

:02:24. > :02:25.assaulting a schoolgirl earlier this year, some feared even this

:02:26. > :02:30.modest influx could create dangerous tensions.

:02:31. > :02:32.Newsnight has been following the family at the heart of this

:02:33. > :02:38.Today 18-year-old Omar Badreddin and two other Syrian refugees

:02:39. > :02:41.were cleared of sexually assaulting a schoolgirl in a park in Newcastle.

:02:42. > :02:43.Katie Razzall and producer Maria Polachowska chart one family's

:02:44. > :02:45.journey from a war-ravaged Syrian town to the steps

:02:46. > :03:06.The film contains some disturbing images.

:03:07. > :03:15.Relief for a family that has suffered so much. For the past three

:03:16. > :03:17.weeks, Omar Badreddin has been on trial at Newcastle Crown Court,

:03:18. > :03:28.charged with sexual assault. Today he was found not guilty.

:03:29. > :03:37.The Badreddins came from Syria, looking for respite after years of

:03:38. > :03:43.war. But this family quickly found that in taking up the offer of

:03:44. > :03:47.century, they had replaced a war zone with a different kind of hell.

:03:48. > :04:20.Did you ever think this was worse than what you had left behind?

:04:21. > :04:27.Newsnight has been filming this family for 11 months. What began as

:04:28. > :04:33.a story of escape from war became a window on the isolation of beginning

:04:34. > :04:38.a new life. In a country where not everybody wants you, where a sexual

:04:39. > :04:49.assault charge provokes a far right demonstration. Faced off by

:04:50. > :04:54.antiracism campaigners. A 14-year-old girl had accused Omar

:04:55. > :05:00.Badreddin along with two other Syrians of working together to grope

:05:01. > :05:05.and kiss her behind a pavilion in this local park. Her friends said

:05:06. > :05:07.they had done the same to her. The jury unanimously found all the man

:05:08. > :05:19.not guilty. At a time when we are navigating how

:05:20. > :05:22.to help people in desperate need, plenty are suspicious of newcomers,

:05:23. > :05:27.with their different customs and traditions. And that, believes Omar

:05:28. > :06:08.Badreddin, was at the heart of the case against them.

:06:09. > :06:17.Their nightmare began on May the tenth this year, the first the

:06:18. > :07:20.family knew of their son Omar's arrest was when he didn't come home.

:07:21. > :07:26.Omar and one of his co-accused spent a month in Durham prison before

:07:27. > :08:22.getting bail. Jordan is where I first met Omar's

:08:23. > :08:27.family in November last year, just before they moved to the UK and the

:08:28. > :08:34.next extraordinary chapter in their lives began. Like many Syrians, they

:08:35. > :08:38.were renting a flat in the capital. I mother, father and four children

:08:39. > :08:41.who had fled Syria two years before, leaving one son, their eldest,

:08:42. > :08:56.Abdul, behind. There are 670,000 Syrian refugees

:08:57. > :08:59.living in Jordan. With their father blind in one eye and suffering

:09:00. > :09:05.various health conditions, only Omar, who was then 17 Thommo could

:09:06. > :09:12.earn money. He worked 14 hour days in a shoe shop. After paying for

:09:13. > :09:17.water, food and rent, there was no money left for schooling. The

:09:18. > :09:23.children had lost years of formal education, though they tried to keep

:09:24. > :09:31.up. They are from Muthana, near Damascus. At our first meeting, they

:09:32. > :09:34.told me they had gone on peaceful demonstrations against the

:09:35. > :10:11.Government when the uprising began. The army cracks down.

:10:12. > :10:20.We can't verify the truth of these claims, but the family and their

:10:21. > :10:24.testimonies have been vetted by UNHCR to get into Britain, because

:10:25. > :10:31.unlike most Syrian refugees, they were lucky, deemed vulnerable enough

:10:32. > :10:35.by UNHCR to require resettlement. Last November, Britain took them in.

:10:36. > :10:51.What was your first thought when you were told you were going to Britain?

:10:52. > :10:57.This family never planned to leave their home, never conceived of

:10:58. > :10:59.moving to Britain, but when they boarded that plane, they could not

:11:00. > :11:25.have envisaged what lay ahead. This is your house? The first time

:11:26. > :11:27.we met in Britain, they were settling into their new life, full

:11:28. > :11:38.of hope. They have a council flat in

:11:39. > :11:45.Newcastle. The council asked us not to identify where exactly.

:11:46. > :11:54.Omar and Mohammed? Like around 3000 Syrians so far, they have been

:11:55. > :11:58.brought to the UK on the Government's vulnerable persons

:11:59. > :12:04.relocation scheme, expanded by David Cameron last year. The family are

:12:05. > :12:11.3000 miles from Syria, but the front line is never far away.

:12:12. > :12:16.Now you are sitting here watching the news from here, further away

:12:17. > :12:18.from Syria, do you think the West should be doing more? What do you

:12:19. > :13:14.think should be happening? As new arrivals, apart from school

:13:15. > :13:19.and English classes, the family mainly stayed at home. Omar at this

:13:20. > :13:23.stage didn't appear to have friends or a social life, and his father

:13:24. > :13:28.poured over the so-called Caesar files, more than 50,000 images

:13:29. > :13:32.smuggled out of Syria, many of which apparently document people who have

:13:33. > :13:34.died in government detention, his friends amongst them. Who is this

:13:35. > :14:07.man? How did you know him? Bashar al-Assad was asked about

:14:08. > :14:09.these, and he said, you say this is torture, but anybody could have done

:14:10. > :14:31.it, the Syrian government hasn't done this.

:14:32. > :14:39.Marwan claims to speak from experience. Torture is one of the

:14:40. > :14:43.criteria listened as qualifying Syrians for the resettlement are

:14:44. > :14:44.grand that brought the family to Britain he was tortured either

:14:45. > :16:00.regime. What did they do to you? For this family, things were about

:16:01. > :16:04.to get a lot worse. Their first ever trip to the beach was perhaps the

:16:05. > :16:13.last time Maymouna would smile before their lives would implode

:16:14. > :16:21.again. This conservative family stood out a bit in ten white, even

:16:22. > :16:22.on the beach, for some members, paddling on the beach is done fully

:16:23. > :16:42.clothed. Less than two months after this day

:16:43. > :16:47.trip, Omar was arrested. But one of his sons on remand in a British

:16:48. > :16:51.prison, only a few days later, another misfortune struck the

:16:52. > :16:55.family. They talked to me about their eldest son, who they said got

:16:56. > :17:19.stuck in Syria when they fled. In May they heard he had died.

:17:20. > :17:27.Like much that happens in civil War, the truth is Liz McColgan kidded and

:17:28. > :17:31.we later learned that for the past year, he was fighting for an

:17:32. > :17:43.Islamist group. All of this father denied that made him an extremist.

:17:44. > :19:00.A sexual assault in this park would have put their second son behind

:19:01. > :19:04.bars. Face of it the case involves three older men preying on two

:19:05. > :19:09.underage girls but the court heard one of the girls had told lies in

:19:10. > :19:12.the past. The defence wanted it to run out and damning statements made

:19:13. > :19:16.by the men in police interviews turned out to have been

:19:17. > :19:21.mistranslated. As the evidence emerged, Syrian men appeared less

:19:22. > :19:24.sexually experienced than the girls who they were supposed to have

:19:25. > :19:30.attacked. Another defendant revealed he had never even seen two people

:19:31. > :19:31.kissing. 18-year-old Omar told me he never had a sexual encounter of any

:19:32. > :19:58.kind. The reaction by far right groups to

:19:59. > :20:03.the impending trial was not surprising. But others, particularly

:20:04. > :20:07.since the six attacks in Cologne, were ready to blame cultural

:20:08. > :20:12.differences by the way the Syrians were alleged to have behaved. His

:20:13. > :20:18.parents never accepted that. Do you think it is possible that boys like

:20:19. > :20:23.Omar see women in the West, girls in the West, they view them differently

:20:24. > :20:24.from how they view and the respect they have for women from their own

:20:25. > :21:03.culture? No. No. Britain has promised 20,000 Syrians

:21:04. > :21:09.will be resettled in the UK by 2020 on the same scheme as a family. I

:21:10. > :21:11.asked local council had offered new arrivals, 73 in Newcastle, any

:21:12. > :21:33.classes on attitudes to in Britain. Did you talk to Omar and other

:21:34. > :21:47.children about what the council said in that cultural talk?

:21:48. > :21:53.With the trial hanging over them, they have tried to make these

:21:54. > :21:56.difficult times happier for their other children. They have been

:21:57. > :22:00.introduced to the cultures and traditions of the strange new land,

:22:01. > :22:02.learning more about a country they will likely never call home.

:22:03. > :22:51.Especially after what has happened. This visit to the beach feels like

:22:52. > :22:55.an age ago, A time of optimism when Britain felt like it was offering a

:22:56. > :23:00.new start. Now they are grateful that justice can beat me to died

:23:01. > :23:04.fairly but for them, indication has come too late to repair the

:23:05. > :23:05.reputational damage a family with so little prizes so very much. --

:23:06. > :23:08.vindication. Scotland's First Minister has fired

:23:09. > :23:13.a warning shot to Theresa May that she must listen

:23:14. > :23:19.to the SNP on Scotland. Nicola Sturgeon told her party

:23:20. > :23:23.conference today that if the Conservative government

:23:24. > :23:25.was not prepared to listen, she'd demand a second

:23:26. > :23:26.Independence Referendum. She confirmed to the surprise

:23:27. > :23:28.of many supporters that she would publish a referendum

:23:29. > :23:31.bill for consultation next week. Or a step on the way

:23:32. > :23:35.to a second vote? Nick Watt is at the conference

:23:36. > :23:44.for us. Well, this was the week when the

:23:45. > :23:47.harsh reality of Brexit across the UK struck home. First it was

:23:48. > :23:53.turning, then the supermarkets and today Scotland. Nicola Sturgeon

:23:54. > :23:58.caused some surprise when she said she wanted to create the possibility

:23:59. > :24:02.of an independent Scotland being ready to join the EU before those

:24:03. > :24:08.Brexit negotiations have concluded. If it is a hard Brexit. I will be

:24:09. > :24:17.joined by the Scottish transport minister but first, here is my take

:24:18. > :24:23.on the events of today. It's wild expanses can make Scotland feel

:24:24. > :24:27.remote from the rest of the UK. But today, this semi-detached corner of

:24:28. > :24:31.Britain showed that it can shape events across our island. I can

:24:32. > :24:40.confirm... APPLAUSE

:24:41. > :24:42.I can confirm today that the independence Referendum Bill will be

:24:43. > :24:47.published for consultation next week.

:24:48. > :24:51.APPLAUSE Nicola Sturgeon has been treading

:24:52. > :24:54.carefully since the EU referendum after the people of Scotland took a

:24:55. > :25:01.different view to the rest of the UK and voted to remain. Unexpected

:25:02. > :25:04.spike in support for independence failed to materialise but today the

:25:05. > :25:09.Scottish first Minister warns Theresa May that she might formally

:25:10. > :25:13.demand a second independence referendum before the end of the EU

:25:14. > :25:21.negotiations if the Prime Minister negotiates a hard Brexit. The SNP's

:25:22. > :25:24.new Deputy Leader says his party does mean business. Perhaps what is

:25:25. > :25:28.happening at the conference is a wake-up call and there needs to be a

:25:29. > :25:34.realisation in Downing Street and in the Labour Party that there is a

:25:35. > :25:39.strong mandate in Scotland to protect our place in Europe and if

:25:40. > :25:44.our friends site of the border do not get that, we are going to get on

:25:45. > :25:48.with it ourselves. It was a big moment when the first minister but a

:25:49. > :25:51.second independence referendum on the table, delegates who feared she

:25:52. > :25:56.was going soft on the defining issue for their party left to their feet

:25:57. > :26:00.but Nicola Sturgeon is no gambler and she made clear she would only

:26:01. > :26:05.take this momentous step if she fails in her first girl to build up

:26:06. > :26:11.a cross-party Alliance to campaign against a hard Brexit for the whole

:26:12. > :26:16.of the UK. But events might move more quickly than the SNP had

:26:17. > :26:21.expected. Donald Tusk, European Council president, said in Brussels

:26:22. > :26:27.today there is only one way to leave the EU- are hard Brexit. In my

:26:28. > :26:37.opinion, the only real alternative to a hard Brexit is no Brexit.

:26:38. > :26:43.APPLAUSE Even if today, hardly anyone

:26:44. > :26:47.believes in such a possibility. Angus Robertson made clear that a

:26:48. > :26:55.referendum will be held if that is the only way to preserve Scotland's

:26:56. > :26:59.membership. Unless you realise that remain means remain, we will take

:27:00. > :27:03.the power into our own hands as a nation whether people are sovereign,

:27:04. > :27:09.having voted 62% to remain, and will do whatever it takes be sure we

:27:10. > :27:14.protect our place in Europe. Scotland's most eminent historian,

:27:15. > :27:18.who supports independence, warns that an early second referendum

:27:19. > :27:23.would be a risk. It would be counter-productive for the current

:27:24. > :27:28.government to go again to the country until, as they previously

:27:29. > :27:31.said, something like 60% of April independence vote in the opinion

:27:32. > :27:35.polls over a period of time. One of the things that concerned me about

:27:36. > :27:43.this is the Canadian situation. Quebec. When they left it for too

:27:44. > :27:48.long to go for the other boat and the constitutional position in

:27:49. > :27:53.Canada is more or less stable. The leader of the Scottish Conservatives

:27:54. > :27:57.agrees. I think Nicola Sturgeon is trying to ride two horses, half of

:27:58. > :28:01.the members want another referendum tomorrow and she is trying to keep

:28:02. > :28:04.them happy and she also has the opinion polls telling her we don't

:28:05. > :28:08.want another referendum, we want to move on and it was another one

:28:09. > :28:14.tomorrow she would lose, she knows then she would have to go and the

:28:15. > :28:18.SNP independence project would be defeated. Ruth Davidson warns that

:28:19. > :28:28.Scots might not be wildly enamoured of the EU. Very few people who go to

:28:29. > :28:31.sleep underneath European flag... That is a hard sell. I would not

:28:32. > :28:36.underestimate that one was not a proxy vote from the other. The

:28:37. > :28:39.largest block of supporters of any political party that voted to leave

:28:40. > :28:45.the European Union and Scotland were SNP voters, around 400,000, if it

:28:46. > :28:49.was not a proxy for others... I want to stay part of the UK but I've

:28:50. > :28:57.ordered to remain so the SNP cannot co-opt my vote to mean something

:28:58. > :29:01.else. The warnings from north of the border were given short shrift in

:29:02. > :29:04.London, which believes Nicola Sturgeon might be bluffing. Theresa

:29:05. > :29:12.May will hope she only has to battle over one union. I am joined by Hamza

:29:13. > :29:19.Yousuf, the Scottish transport minister. Nicola Sturgeon outlined a

:29:20. > :29:23.two point plan, forming a coalition of the willing across the UK to keep

:29:24. > :29:27.Britain in the single market but that does not work she talks about a

:29:28. > :29:32.referendum on independence before the end of those negotiations. If it

:29:33. > :29:38.is a hard Brexit but today Donald Tusk said there is only one form of

:29:39. > :29:43.Brexit and it is hard. Why not hold that referendum right now? The first

:29:44. > :29:48.Minister is doing what she said she would do in the run-up to the

:29:49. > :29:52.Scottish election but the European referendum, that would be that we

:29:53. > :29:56.maintain our place in the EU if Scots wanted that and they did. We

:29:57. > :29:58.will put together a proposal which will hopefully not just give

:29:59. > :30:01.Scotland and the single market, I want to see the whole of the UK

:30:02. > :30:04.remaining within the single market and the ball would be in the Court

:30:05. > :30:08.of Theresa May, if she can secure those proposals, secure those

:30:09. > :30:12.interests for Scotland then that would be great, we will stay within

:30:13. > :30:15.the EU and will have access to the single market. If not, we reserve

:30:16. > :30:20.the right to have that referendum and that option is on the table. It

:30:21. > :30:24.is not the first resort. Do not have a problem? You thought there would

:30:25. > :30:29.be a surge of support for independence if the UK voted out of

:30:30. > :30:34.the EU. That has not happened and also, your fiscal prospectus you put

:30:35. > :30:35.before Scotland in 2014 has disappeared with collapse in the oil

:30:36. > :30:45.price? Let's take those points one by one.

:30:46. > :30:51.On the financial and fiscal case the independence, we put together a

:30:52. > :30:55.report by various economists, I think we could have done better on

:30:56. > :30:59.the economic case for independence, but we need to go through those

:31:00. > :31:04.arguments and put together a stronger case for the economy. But

:31:05. > :31:08.before we get to that point, we are not saying we will hold an

:31:09. > :31:13.independence referendum immediately. Every poll has shown an increase in

:31:14. > :31:16.independence, but let's argue for Scotland's interests and make sure

:31:17. > :31:21.that we can protect Scotland's lace within the European Union, access to

:31:22. > :31:24.the single market, but if that is not able to be secured, then we

:31:25. > :31:28.reserve the right to hold another referendum.

:31:29. > :31:31.But here we are talking about Scotland and the Constitution, but

:31:32. > :31:36.you failed to get a majority in the Holyrood election earlier this year.

:31:37. > :31:40.Don't you need to be talking about bread-and-butter issues? I don't

:31:41. > :31:45.think it is one or the other. The two I linked. We achieved a historic

:31:46. > :31:50.third term that no other political party has achieved in the Scottish

:31:51. > :31:54.Parliament, so that is a huge mandate for us to move forward.

:31:55. > :31:58.Literacy and numerous erects are falling, you should be defined on

:31:59. > :32:02.that not the Constitution. NHS waiting list are going down, record

:32:03. > :32:06.investment in our transport system, we're doing incredible things in the

:32:07. > :32:11.third term like free prescriptions, three education, concessionary

:32:12. > :32:17.travel. We are getting on with the job, but we shouldn't say that we

:32:18. > :32:23.won't be protected Scotland's interests. If we don't get access to

:32:24. > :32:28.the single market, that will affect businesses. There was a widespread

:32:29. > :32:33.knowledge report today that that could reduce wages by ?2000 for

:32:34. > :32:38.workers. That is people's real life, so we have to protect Scotland's

:32:39. > :32:42.interests as best we can. And indeed, as you say, get on with the

:32:43. > :32:46.bread-and-butter job of Government. If we weren't doing that, we

:32:47. > :32:50.wouldn't have been elected for a third term. OK, Humza Yousaf, thank

:32:51. > :32:55.you very much. MLA, back to you in the studio.

:32:56. > :32:58.Marmite, it seems, will live to see another day on UK

:32:59. > :33:01.This evening, Unilever confirmed the price dispute was over.

:33:02. > :33:03.Last night Tesco halted sales of many Unilever brands

:33:04. > :33:06.after the supplier threatened to raise prices due to a fall

:33:07. > :33:10.Last night on this programme, former Northern Foods Chairman Lord Haskins

:33:11. > :33:13.told me that Brexit had thrown what he called a "huge wobble"

:33:14. > :33:19.Lord Simon Wolfson, the CEO of Next, who today announced the Wolfson

:33:20. > :33:21.Economics Prize would be awarded to the best solution for overhauling

:33:22. > :33:33.We are going to come onto roads and your prize in a moment. Thank you

:33:34. > :33:37.for coming in. As a retailer, how do you make sense of a dispute that

:33:38. > :33:44.seemed to be making such waves last night, and has gone today? I think

:33:45. > :33:47.the reality is it is probably a very bad idea to have your negotiations

:33:48. > :33:52.in public, but underlying all of this is the simple fact, if that

:33:53. > :33:56.pound devalued by a lot, then prices of imported goods will go up, and

:33:57. > :34:00.there isn't any way around that. I don't think they will go up by as

:34:01. > :34:05.much as people think, and not as much as the pound has devalued,

:34:06. > :34:09.because retailers will negotiate as hard as they can to keep prices

:34:10. > :34:12.where they are. And it will be the same on the high street? Is that

:34:13. > :34:16.something you with your stores and others would expect a scene for the

:34:17. > :34:20.consumer? Yes, it will flow eventually through to the economy,

:34:21. > :34:24.but the thing to bear in mind is most of us have bought our currency

:34:25. > :34:27.for next year already, so these changes will take time, and it

:34:28. > :34:32.depends whether pound ends up, and that will depend on people's

:34:33. > :34:34.confident in the British economy, which is where things like investing

:34:35. > :34:40.in infrastructure is so important, because those things will get our

:34:41. > :34:43.economy moving. I know you hate the term is hard and soft Brexit, but

:34:44. > :34:48.you have warned against becoming isolationist as a country. What is

:34:49. > :34:53.the direction you favour at the moment? Do we need to be in the

:34:54. > :34:57.single market? Can only flourish out of the single market? What would be

:34:58. > :35:02.best for you as a businessman? The hard and soft Brexit language is

:35:03. > :35:07.very dangerous. What we need to say is do we want an open or closed

:35:08. > :35:10.Brexit. If we are going to pull up the drawbridge and set up all sorts

:35:11. > :35:14.of barriers, then our economy will fail. So it is important that we

:35:15. > :35:19.remain in a customs union? Not necessarily. What is important is

:35:20. > :35:22.that we remain an open economy, and that depends on our attitude to all

:35:23. > :35:26.sorts of things like immigration, trade agreements with other

:35:27. > :35:29.countries as well as the European Union, and our attitude of going

:35:30. > :35:32.into negotiations with an open mind and wanting to get the best

:35:33. > :35:39.Austevoll deal for Britain. And contributions? We have understood we

:35:40. > :35:42.will probably be paying quite substantial amounts of money to get

:35:43. > :35:47.access in some shape or form to the single market? Is that money worth

:35:48. > :35:51.paying now? I think it depends on what we get in return, and

:35:52. > :35:56.ultimately running any form of free trade organisation will involve some

:35:57. > :36:00.cost. If those costs are reasonable than they are worth paying. But

:36:01. > :36:03.ultimately we have to recognise that the more free trade we have in the

:36:04. > :36:07.world the better. That doesn't mean we can't be an independent nation.

:36:08. > :36:12.One of the things people got confused about is they assumed

:36:13. > :36:17.Brexit is a vote isolation, but is about the independence. Whether we

:36:18. > :36:20.become isolated or a free trading at Wood looking nation depends on what

:36:21. > :36:26.the Government does in the next two or three years. And you are looking

:36:27. > :36:29.specifically at roads and infrastructure around them with your

:36:30. > :36:33.prize. Do you think more money should be going into that? It should

:36:34. > :36:37.be going in the right way, and politicians love to talk about how

:36:38. > :36:41.much they are spending, but it is whether it is spent well or badly.

:36:42. > :36:47.Investment in bad infrastructure is wealth destruction, investment in

:36:48. > :36:54.good infrastructure creates wealth. 90% of our journeys are on roads.

:36:55. > :36:58.The taxpayer, the British road users, pay ?33 billion in taxes to

:36:59. > :37:03.use the roads, mainly through fuel tax, and the Government only spends

:37:04. > :37:06.?9 billion on roads. Do you think infrastructure has been ignored up

:37:07. > :37:13.until now? We know there has been this shift of focus away from QE to

:37:14. > :37:18.infrastructure. Do you think that is overdue? I think the emphasis has

:37:19. > :37:22.been an wrong infrastructure, grand projects like HS2, Hinkley point.

:37:23. > :37:26.Big projects that cost an enormous amount of money rather than the

:37:27. > :37:29.myriad of small projects we need, things like the extra little mini

:37:30. > :37:34.roundabout that will make someone's Jenny to work 20 minutes faster. So

:37:35. > :37:40.you would get rid of HS2 and Hinkley point? I think we need to look at

:37:41. > :37:44.the returns Government are getting on any type of investment, and that

:37:45. > :37:48.should make money for Government, because it is all of our money that

:37:49. > :37:52.they are investing. The road user gets a benefit with a better road,

:37:53. > :37:56.and the Government should get the return from investing in it. If they

:37:57. > :38:01.don't, and there is no return in HS2, there is a real risk that the

:38:02. > :38:04.money will be wasted. If it is invested in the roads, it can get

:38:05. > :38:10.people to work faster and home faster, there is a chance not only

:38:11. > :38:13.of improved quality-of-life but also of boosting our economy. Thank you

:38:14. > :38:16.very much for coming in. Thank you very much.

:38:17. > :38:18.When Margaret Atwood wrote The Handmaid's Tale

:38:19. > :38:20.more than 30 years ago, a dystopian novel of female

:38:21. > :38:23.subjugation, many told her the world she created was too

:38:24. > :38:27.Today, she won the Pen Pinter Prize, awarded for an "unflinching,

:38:28. > :38:29.unswerving gaze upon the world" and says she believes today's

:38:30. > :38:31.political climate in America means the work has more resonance

:38:32. > :38:35.I went to meet her as she publishes her latest novel, Hagseed,

:38:36. > :38:39.I began by asking her whether she ever imagined reality

:38:40. > :38:41.would get anywhere close to the world she created

:38:42. > :38:55.Probably writing The Handmaid's Tale, which Harold Pinter did the

:38:56. > :39:02.screenplay for, that was when I first met him. So that, because I

:39:03. > :39:06.used nothing in the book that hadn't been done at sometime somewhere. And

:39:07. > :39:10.do you think with The Handmaid's Tale it feels like it belongs to an

:39:11. > :39:15.era, or could you be writing the book today without it having dated?

:39:16. > :39:19.Unfortunately, at the time I wrote it there were people who were saying

:39:20. > :39:25.I don't think people are saying that much any more.

:39:26. > :39:27.Because of the kinds of things we have seen coming out

:39:28. > :39:35.Just recently the hashtag #RepealThe19th, which means take

:39:36. > :39:43.So that comes dangerously close to the world of The Handmaid's Tale.

:39:44. > :39:52.I doubt that you would get those exact same costumes!

:39:53. > :39:54.But a lot of the diminishment, disempowerment, disenfranchisement

:39:55. > :40:09.What is it that brings you to The Tempest?

:40:10. > :40:12.And is it too simplistic to say you were inspired by the political

:40:13. > :40:21.Because I started writing this several years ago but those themes

:40:22. > :40:25.of revenge and power are, of course, in a lot

:40:26. > :40:34.of Shakespeare's work and in a lot of work of all kinds.

:40:35. > :40:37.Those are two very strong human themes.

:40:38. > :40:44.Among other things, we see Trump already feeling that he should get

:40:45. > :40:46.revenge on the Republican Party for not going along

:40:47. > :41:09.I want to just get back to Felix and Hagseed, and getting back at people.

:41:10. > :41:16.That seems to be how it is working in various parts of the world.

:41:17. > :41:22.Except that people are being blamed for conditions that they have not in

:41:23. > :41:28.fact created. Like what? Like what. Is it the fault of all Muslim

:41:29. > :41:36.immigrants to the United States that there have been some terror attacks?

:41:37. > :41:43.Like that. Let me just ask you about the Nobel Prize for Literature

:41:44. > :41:47.awarded to Bob Dylan. What you think about that?

:41:48. > :41:49.I think it is a very strategically placed win.

:41:50. > :41:52.The US election and everything that is going on there.

:41:53. > :41:55.A US countercultural figure from the '60s is selected.

:41:56. > :42:05.You think it was intended to send a message

:42:06. > :42:17.But these things are often political in the broad sense of the term.

:42:18. > :42:20.So choosing a person from that time, that place, who had that message,

:42:21. > :42:23.I would say is sending a very broad message, which is not

:42:24. > :42:41.And in this scenario, Trump is the Nixon of

:42:42. > :42:48.We don't know because I can't read people's minds.

:42:49. > :43:04.Margaret Atwood talking to me earlier. That's all we have time for

:43:05. > :43:14.this evening. Evan is back here tomorrow night. Good night.

:43:15. > :43:22.Hello there. It was cold if you were caught in the wind and showers.

:43:23. > :43:29.Probably colder in the south, although we have fewer showers here.

:43:30. > :43:31.Bracing in the North, and there will still be showers