:00:00. > :00:00.Last week, on this programme we implied that Hillary Clinton
:00:07. > :00:21.The polls may have Donald Trump behind but in this area of rural
:00:22. > :00:27.North Carolina, excitement about this event and being here leads them
:00:28. > :00:32.to be suspicious of those polls and suspicious of Hillary Clinton.
:00:33. > :00:37.They've got the money to do whatever it takes.
:00:38. > :00:39.If she wins it's probably going to be ugly.
:00:40. > :00:42.We'll ask a veteran of three administrations if America is now
:00:43. > :00:52.My mum supported me when I did a PowerPoint presentation
:00:53. > :00:54.to my class about transitioning, that I wasn't
:00:55. > :00:57.going to go to school wearing boy's clothes any more.
:00:58. > :00:59.Is it helpful to teach children about what it is
:01:00. > :01:03.It's an issue that generates a lot of tabloid heat.
:01:04. > :01:17.From Malcolm in the Middle to Walter White to Heisenberg
:01:18. > :01:21.to Donald Trump, we're Breaking Bad with Brian Cranston.
:01:22. > :01:23.I'm fascinated by Trump because he is the classic tragic
:01:24. > :01:30.He also doesn't present any solutions.
:01:31. > :01:34."It's gonna be great, great, great, great,
:01:35. > :01:36.huge, problem, problem, problem, great, great,
:01:37. > :01:44.great" and you go, "He's saying nothing!".
:01:45. > :01:49.In an hour and a half, it'll be November and officially,
:01:50. > :01:51.there can be no more October Surprises in this
:01:52. > :01:58.But one is enough and that was lobbed into the campaign
:01:59. > :02:00.on Friday; since then, the contest has seemed more open
:02:01. > :02:07.So where do the chances of the two candidates stand now?
:02:08. > :02:11.When we looked at this last Wednesday, we quoted you one
:02:12. > :02:15.Their model put an 85% chance on Hillary winning.
:02:16. > :02:17.Today, that same outfit has Hillary's chance down
:02:18. > :02:24.Still comfortably the favourite, but have the polls fully
:02:25. > :02:31.Our diplomatic editor Mark Urban is in Washington.
:02:32. > :02:38.What's your sense about where this election stands now and where the
:02:39. > :02:43.mood is of everybody in each of the two camps? The e-mails story did
:02:44. > :02:50.produce a partisan firestorm over the weekend. The Clinton campaign
:02:51. > :02:54.demanding that the FBI get this stuff out there. There are 680,000
:02:55. > :03:01.e-mails apparently on this computer owned by Anthony Wiener. The FBI can
:03:02. > :03:06.do some of the things that you and I might do, though it is from, who it
:03:07. > :03:10.is too, some keyword searches but even if they get it down to some
:03:11. > :03:14.smaller surges, delicate judgments about whether this is relevant to
:03:15. > :03:18.the cases previously looked at with Hillary Clinton and whether she was
:03:19. > :03:24.putting secrets in, we can't really expect any details on that before
:03:25. > :03:29.the election. As for the effect on the election polls, the one you
:03:30. > :03:37.mentioned, 539, the poll of polls, showing a fall from 5.7%, to 4.7%
:03:38. > :03:39.over the last few days, continuing a trend since the last presidential
:03:40. > :03:46.debate when she was way out in front with most of the poll of poll
:03:47. > :03:50.exercises showing a narrowing of the lead but still a lead of even a few
:03:51. > :03:55.percentage points in the American system can be considered pretty
:03:56. > :03:58.commanding. It has been an astonishingly angry election. This
:03:59. > :04:03.e-mails and isn't going to be resolved in the next few days. How
:04:04. > :04:09.does this leave the post-election period? How does it all go for
:04:10. > :04:13.either of the leading candidates, having to put Humpty Dumpty back
:04:14. > :04:19.together again having smashed the country apart, so to speak? One
:04:20. > :04:22.thing that people in the UK may forget is that this is not simply
:04:23. > :04:27.between Trump and Clinton. In every state there are other people on the
:04:28. > :04:31.ballot and critically, the Senate and the house of representatives. In
:04:32. > :04:33.the American system you have got to get along with them otherwise you
:04:34. > :04:39.will produce nothing. So often in the second term of President Obama
:04:40. > :04:45.he couldn't achieve anything. Many people feel that these e-mail
:04:46. > :04:47.revelations will be more helpful to the Republicans in the house and
:04:48. > :04:53.Senate reasons for various reasons. That means that if Hillary Clinton
:04:54. > :04:59.wins, she's likely still to a very difficult partisan gridlock, if you
:05:00. > :05:04.like come on the Hill and even if you flip it around and Donald Trump
:05:05. > :05:08.wins, he could face a very difficult situation trying to get anything in
:05:09. > :05:13.acted. That's caused many people to wonder, well, how can any winner in
:05:14. > :05:20.this so-called election put together a programme for government after
:05:21. > :05:23.such an acrimonious campaign. We went in search of that question,
:05:24. > :05:25.starting in North Carolina. When Trump flew to Kinston,
:05:26. > :05:33.North Carolina big crowds thronged. The message, as in so many of his
:05:34. > :05:37.stops, bold, uncompromising and highly personal,
:05:38. > :05:42.in taunting his opponent, attacking the current president
:05:43. > :05:45.and promising to nullify his legacy. Can we live another four
:05:46. > :05:48.years with another Obama? But while Trump's outspoken rhetoric
:05:49. > :06:01.has made the weather on many a quiet news day, it hasn't turned the polls
:06:02. > :06:06.around, even after the latest The polls may have Donald Trump many
:06:07. > :06:12.points behind but in this area of rural North Carolina,
:06:13. > :06:14.thousands of people have turned And their excitement about this
:06:15. > :06:27.event and being here leads them to be suspicious of those polls,
:06:28. > :06:29.suspicious of Hillary Clinton, especially when their candidate
:06:30. > :06:31.is saying the whole In some places in North Carolina,
:06:32. > :06:35.some of the voting machines are already changing's people's
:06:36. > :06:37.ballots, like if they vote Republican it changes
:06:38. > :06:39.it to a Democrat. So I guess you've got to be
:06:40. > :06:42.vigilant and pay attention She's a criminal and she'll
:06:43. > :06:45.do whatever it takes. They've got the money to do
:06:46. > :06:52.whatever it takes. It's a shame that we've come
:06:53. > :06:55.to this, but if she wins it's probably
:06:56. > :06:57.going to be ugly. And what is your
:06:58. > :07:00.attitude to Hillary? The seeds of America's
:07:01. > :07:11.division were sown early. This is Monticello, home
:07:12. > :07:19.of Thomas Jefferson. He designed it as he designed the US
:07:20. > :07:21.Constitution, striving The separation of powers
:07:22. > :07:29.between Congress and President required them to cooperate,
:07:30. > :07:31.yet 22 years after declaring independence, Jefferson
:07:32. > :07:35.wrote from the Capitol, "Politics and party hatred destroy
:07:36. > :07:41.the happiness of every being here." If getting into heaven required
:07:42. > :07:45.belonging to a political party, then, Jefferson wrote,
:07:46. > :07:51."I will gladly not go." America's gun owners look back
:07:52. > :07:55.to the revolution and the oft cited Now, facing the prospect
:07:56. > :08:04.of a Hillary Clinton victory, Paul Valone and Don Pomeroy
:08:05. > :08:08.of the advocacy group Grass Roots North Carolina
:08:09. > :08:11.are in uncompromising mood. For our political action committee
:08:12. > :08:14.to raise money to elect or defeat candidates,
:08:15. > :08:22.we've been running a raffle, raffling off an AR15,
:08:23. > :08:24.1000 rounds of ammunition The fact is that Hillary Clinton,
:08:25. > :08:28.if elected, will be the salesperson Here they are proud to have
:08:29. > :08:35.frustrated President Obama's attempts at gun control
:08:36. > :08:37.during his eight years in office and campaign
:08:38. > :08:41.actively against Hillary, seeing her as a threat to much more
:08:42. > :08:44.than their firearms. We are becoming involved
:08:45. > :08:46.in particular in this election because the
:08:47. > :08:49.Supreme Court is at stake. If Hillary Clinton makes
:08:50. > :08:53.an appointment, a 5-4 conservative court will become four-five
:08:54. > :08:57.and frankly, all bets are off. In many states, voting
:08:58. > :09:01.has already started. Arriving at his polling
:09:02. > :09:03.station, Alex Bodyfort runs The ballot paper in his state has
:09:04. > :09:14.more than two dozen different votes on it including for the Senate and
:09:15. > :09:17.House of Representatives members. And given the Republican commitment
:09:18. > :09:25.to repealing many of those measures President Obama
:09:26. > :09:26.actually got through, he was clear which way
:09:27. > :09:32.he wanted to vote. Whatever progress we made
:09:33. > :09:34.from the previous regime seems fitting left behind as opposed
:09:35. > :09:36.to being built upon, so it's like hitting a reset
:09:37. > :09:38.button every election. It doesn't make a whole
:09:39. > :09:42.bunch of science. You would think, whatever positive
:09:43. > :09:45.stuff we had going on, we could use some of that and build
:09:46. > :09:48.on it as opposed to blowing the whole thing
:09:49. > :09:54.up and starting over. But having fights between
:09:55. > :09:58.a president and Congress come and gone as regularly as the seasons
:09:59. > :10:01.or the harvests in this country. But blocked by partisan politics,
:10:02. > :10:19.the last Congress passed one third as many laws as one
:10:20. > :10:21.mocked in the late 1940s Many people think this is something
:10:22. > :10:26.that's only developed in the last few years but actually this has been
:10:27. > :10:28.developing very steadily and relentlessly, beginning in
:10:29. > :10:31.the early 1980s in the United States and getting worse,
:10:32. > :10:33.every election cycle. To a point now where it's extremely
:10:34. > :10:37.visible to everybody. The ability of Congress to legislate
:10:38. > :10:42.on the issues the public identifies as the major issues
:10:43. > :10:46.of the day has dramatically diminished in this period
:10:47. > :10:52.of extreme partisan polarisation. And the polarisation
:10:53. > :10:55.or fragmentation of American politics is not just driven
:10:56. > :10:59.by the right. This contest has seen the emergence
:11:00. > :11:03.of a left-wing insurgency within the Democratic party
:11:04. > :11:10.and Senator Liz Warren is one of its standardbearers
:11:11. > :11:12.with a message that plays on gender I've got news for Donald Trump
:11:13. > :11:20.and Richard Perle. And that is, nasty women
:11:21. > :11:23.vote in North Carolina. Are you ready to get
:11:24. > :11:29.these men out of our And for this audience,
:11:30. > :11:43.at a women's college in North Carolina there was plenty
:11:44. > :11:48.of support for her In the wake of the economic crises,
:11:49. > :11:53.political machines have kept rumbling onwards, with messages
:11:54. > :11:59.targeting their constituencies. On one side of the tracks,
:12:00. > :12:01.gun owners, blue-collar On the other, women,
:12:02. > :12:09.ethnic and gay voters. And on each side, the electoral
:12:10. > :12:13.battle is now painted as one for a way of life
:12:14. > :12:17.and hard-earned rights. This is Stanton, Virginia,
:12:18. > :12:20.where Woodrow Wilson was born. He was the only professional
:12:21. > :12:27.political scientist to have Frustrated by the constitution,
:12:28. > :12:39.Wilson wrote he would prefer England's parliamentary system
:12:40. > :12:41.instead of "this miserable Wilson fought many battles
:12:42. > :12:48.with Congress, so what would he make of today's
:12:49. > :12:51.polarisation and gridlock? I believe it is objectively worse
:12:52. > :12:54.today. I don't see it getting any better
:12:55. > :12:58.any time soon. We do not have a unifying person
:12:59. > :13:04.who is coming up as president, regardless of who is the president
:13:05. > :13:09.and who is elected on November 9th. Polls consistently show
:13:10. > :13:13.that their likeability rating I think we are going to see a lot
:13:14. > :13:21.more of that gridlock happening, unfortunately
:13:22. > :13:26.in the next four years. Extreme partisanship is not
:13:27. > :13:29.a new thing, Woodrow Wilson would recognise it all too well,
:13:30. > :13:34.but what has happened recently is that it has reached a point
:13:35. > :13:39.where a president has very little chance of enacting the platform
:13:40. > :13:42.that they were elected upon. And if that's the case,
:13:43. > :13:44.it poses basic questions Where will the strain of polarised
:13:45. > :13:51.messages and undeliverable It's already produced incitement
:13:52. > :14:00.and in isolated cases, violence. In Orange County North Carolina,
:14:01. > :14:04.the local Republican party This is not I think a party thing,
:14:05. > :14:19.this is political terrorism. Nearby, a wall was daubed,
:14:20. > :14:21."Nazi Republicans Condemned by Democrats,
:14:22. > :14:29.some of whom even offered money to rebuild the office,
:14:30. > :14:34.this was an unusual incident, but not, perhaps, an unexpected
:14:35. > :14:37.one, given the heated In the end, whoever wins
:14:38. > :14:44.the presidency will find themselves After the Obama years of gridlock
:14:45. > :14:49.and strife on the Hill, there is every sign that things
:14:50. > :15:00.could be about to get even worse. In Washington is Stuart Gerson,
:15:01. > :15:03.a lawyer who was an advisor to both Bush administrations and served
:15:04. > :15:21.as Acting Attorney General Good evening. You, I think, have
:15:22. > :15:25.been a critic of what the FBI did by dropping this letter into the
:15:26. > :15:33.campaign. What do you think he did wrong? He did wrong for two reasons
:15:34. > :15:43.and he did it twice. This is not about favouring one candidate over
:15:44. > :15:49.the other. The FBI investigating it is not a determiner of whether a
:15:50. > :15:55.prosecution should take place. But what he did in assigning to himself
:15:56. > :16:02.a super oversight role was to buy late two tenets of long-standing and
:16:03. > :16:05.merit. The first is not to comment on pending investigations. They tend
:16:06. > :16:09.to be ambiguous and involve the rights of the subjects of the
:16:10. > :16:15.investigations, things change very much so, and the integrity of the
:16:16. > :16:20.process is benefited by keeping your mouth shut unless and until you have
:16:21. > :16:24.a case. That is what the prosecutor ought to be doing. The second tenet
:16:25. > :16:28.is making statements or disclosures that affect the political process.
:16:29. > :16:34.That is not what a prosecutor ought to be doing. There are precedents to
:16:35. > :16:38.show how deleterious this can be and this has not been helpful in this
:16:39. > :16:44.case were all it has done is inject confusion into the campaign. Sorry
:16:45. > :16:48.to interrupts, but you must be able to see that if something emerged
:16:49. > :16:54.after the election, that the FBI had seemed there was a stash of e-mails
:16:55. > :16:57.they were going to look at, if it emerges after the election that that
:16:58. > :17:01.was going to happen and he had not mention it, there would have been
:17:02. > :17:10.such an uprising particularly at a time when there is so much talk of
:17:11. > :17:14.conspiracy and anger. If you want to have government that is durable, it
:17:15. > :17:18.ought to do the right thing all the time, irrespective of the
:17:19. > :17:22.consequences you describe. The Department of Justice act a lot
:17:23. > :17:28.better when it acts consistently and ethically. The fact of the matter is
:17:29. > :17:31.these disclosures have been made, they are ambiguous, the matter will
:17:32. > :17:37.not be resolved before the election and it is not moving a lot of votes
:17:38. > :17:41.and somebody will have to deal with it, perhaps President Clinton after
:17:42. > :17:47.the election. It does not clear a lot and the Department should have
:17:48. > :17:50.acted in a better way. I am sure you would agree that being a public
:17:51. > :17:53.official and trying to do the right thing and trying to be neutral at a
:17:54. > :17:59.time when there is such as the bra and divided America is very hard.
:18:00. > :18:04.Half the country who are new to say, you are on the other side, what are
:18:05. > :18:12.you up to? It must be harder than in your day. I do not agree with you. I
:18:13. > :18:16.was the Attorney General during the first World Trade Center bombing and
:18:17. > :18:20.there was a great deal of division and controversy about that. That is
:18:21. > :18:26.always there. Do not underrate gridlock. It is often at times very
:18:27. > :18:32.helpful and Spurs better discussion and leads to a passage of only those
:18:33. > :18:36.things that are necessary. We are highly regulated in the United
:18:37. > :18:43.States, a lot of what we do is not intelligent. We should strip down
:18:44. > :18:46.government and get it more towards its essentials. If the Clinton
:18:47. > :18:51.Administration has a more bipartisan view from the beginning, rather than
:18:52. > :18:57.a confrontational one, there is no reason why it should not.
:18:58. > :19:02.Last week, we reported on new problems at the inquiry
:19:03. > :19:07.of sexual assault by the inquiry's most senior lawyer,
:19:08. > :19:10.which some believe the inquiry has not dealt with properly.
:19:11. > :19:12.Jake Morris has been following this inquiry for us and
:19:13. > :19:25.News of another departure. When I've have left this enquiry, but news of
:19:26. > :19:31.another one today. I have learnt today one of the key lawyers in the
:19:32. > :19:37.enquiry, a barrister called Toby Fisher, because he has concerns over
:19:38. > :19:41.the progress and direction of the enquiry. He took his decision about
:19:42. > :19:46.six weeks ago in mid August, long before anything we broadcast last
:19:47. > :19:53.week, after Lowell Goddard had resigned. He said he would be
:19:54. > :20:00.finishing his work very shortly. He is quite a key figure in the
:20:01. > :20:06.enquiry, he is one of the three core councils and more recently he has
:20:07. > :20:09.been working on two of the most high-profile investigations that the
:20:10. > :20:14.enquiry has undertaken, those into the late Lord Jana and into what is
:20:15. > :20:22.just called Westminster, which is quite interesting. I put this to the
:20:23. > :20:27.enquiry tonight and they told me he remains instructed and that is a
:20:28. > :20:34.technical truth in that he cannot talk about any work he has done.
:20:35. > :20:38.There are a large number of June solicitors and counsels that come
:20:39. > :20:43.and go, but in this case it is clear there are deep concerns about the
:20:44. > :20:49.progress and the direction of the enquiry and I do not think he is the
:20:50. > :20:53.only person who thinks that. Allegations of sexual assault that
:20:54. > :20:58.have not been followed up correctly, what follow-ups either to that
:20:59. > :21:02.revelation? Today the Labour MP Leeza Nandi raised the issue in the
:21:03. > :21:04.House of Commons and this is what the Home Secretary Amber Rudd had to
:21:05. > :21:09.It is essential for the authenticity of this enquiry that it is held
:21:10. > :21:12.as independent, it is not run by the Home Office as an essential
:21:13. > :21:14.part of its integrity, and I would urge her to stop
:21:15. > :21:21.knocking the inquiry and get behind it.
:21:22. > :21:31.We have also learned that matrix Chambers has launched an
:21:32. > :21:34.investigation into what has been claimed and my understanding is that
:21:35. > :21:38.this investigation will be carried out by an external figure.
:21:39. > :21:40.Listen carefully to the the Work and Pensions secretary,
:21:41. > :21:43.Damian Green, and you might discern a different tone when it comes
:21:44. > :21:45.to welfare, to the one we've been familiar with.
:21:46. > :21:48.Today, there was a green paper on disability benefits that seemed
:21:49. > :21:51.to be talking more about support to help the disabled into work,
:21:52. > :21:54.And the government is reviewing the deeply unpopular work
:21:55. > :21:58.So does this mark a significant change of direction?
:21:59. > :22:01.A retreat from an era of money-saving reforms
:22:02. > :22:11.Nick Watt has been trying to find out.
:22:12. > :22:14.Welfare is a perennial tricky area for any government
:22:15. > :22:20.If you put in charge a one nation Tory, the wets to Margaret Thatcher,
:22:21. > :22:24.Of course the health and welfare systems must support those that
:22:25. > :22:29.It should offer the opportunity of work for all those who can
:22:30. > :22:31.provide help for those who could and care
:22:32. > :22:38.Damian Green hopes to usher in a new era after David Cameron's
:22:39. > :22:42.troubled legacy but he has a major headache.
:22:43. > :22:44.Philip Hammond will make clear in his Autumn Statement
:22:45. > :22:49.later this month that money is
:22:50. > :23:03.and government is locked inbto an expensive commitment
:23:04. > :23:05.on the biggest area of welfare spending.
:23:06. > :23:08.It will stand by its manifesto pledge
:23:09. > :23:11.to ensure that pensions rise by at least 2.5%
:23:12. > :23:13.2.5% or by the average of
:23:14. > :23:15.earnings or prices, if they are higher.
:23:16. > :23:18.I am absolutely a champion for pensioners.
:23:19. > :23:20.Pensioners in society have to be protected and we
:23:21. > :23:23.have to have a decent state pension and level of support.
:23:24. > :23:26.However in the broader societal scheme of things,
:23:27. > :23:29.to come up with some made up number of 2.5% which has no relationship
:23:30. > :23:33.whatsoever to anything that may be going on in the economy at the time,
:23:34. > :23:38.Politically it is something you can point to, but are we making policy
:23:39. > :23:41.for the politicians or are we making policy for the people of this
:23:42. > :23:47.Number ten's determination to uphold the pensions triple lock
:23:48. > :23:50.during the lifetime of this parliament means there is little
:23:51. > :23:53.room for manoeuvre on welfare spending.
:23:54. > :23:55.Newsnight understands there is some sympathy at senior
:23:56. > :24:00.levels in Whitehall for one key Tory backbench demands, that is to ensure
:24:01. > :24:03.that George Osborne's reversal of tax credit cuts applies to the
:24:04. > :24:11.But tight public finances means that isn't on
:24:12. > :24:15.the cards at the moment, guaranteeing a bumpy ride in
:24:16. > :24:21.Heidi Allen has crafted a modest proposal
:24:22. > :24:23.to soften the impact of Universal Credit
:24:24. > :24:29.I would like to focus on those most severely
:24:30. > :24:31.affected, single parents, which would cost ?500 billion.
:24:32. > :24:33.A lot of money but if we can keep those
:24:34. > :24:36.people in work it keeps the economy turning, which is vital.
:24:37. > :24:39.She is supportive of the main principle of
:24:40. > :24:42.Universal Credit, to increase incentives to work.
:24:43. > :24:45.The reforms have been repeatedly delayed but
:24:46. > :24:48.ministers believe they are finally on track for a full roll-out by
:24:49. > :24:55.Bedtime reading at senior levels of Whitehall is a pamphlet by
:24:56. > :25:04.Universal Credit, From Disaster To Recovery.
:25:05. > :25:07.We have seen too often when governments put systems in too
:25:08. > :25:10.quickly, people shouldn't go through the sausage machine,
:25:11. > :25:14.they should be treated as individuals and if they
:25:15. > :25:18.take longer to get it right, that's fine by me.
:25:19. > :25:21.The former pensions minister is less convinced.
:25:22. > :25:30.We are slowly getting there, we are told, but
:25:31. > :25:33.unfortunately I don't think anybody can totally and confidently predict
:25:34. > :25:36.when exactly this will all be rolled out, how
:25:37. > :25:39.it will be rolled out, and
:25:40. > :25:42.what the cost implications truly are.
:25:43. > :25:45.The government knows that
:25:46. > :25:48.welfare can quickly become a highly toxic issue,
:25:49. > :25:49.not least when money is
:25:50. > :25:54.If a magic wand could be waived in Whitehall, assuming an
:25:55. > :25:56.extra 2 billion could be found down the back
:25:57. > :25:57.of the sofa, benefits would
:25:58. > :26:06.be cut off at a slower rate as low paid workers increased their hours.
:26:07. > :26:09.It slightly has the air of a concocted media row,
:26:10. > :26:11.the sort of one where a newspaper extracts an angry remark
:26:12. > :26:13.from a shocked parent and an indignant backbench
:26:14. > :26:18.But in this case, if it is blown up out of proportion, it at least
:26:19. > :26:22.The row concerns a transgender themed BBC video aimed
:26:23. > :26:26.It's a video diary of an eleven-year-old called
:26:27. > :26:36.To my old friends, I'm Amy, who used to be Ben.
:26:37. > :26:40.My worry is that one of the new kids finds out that I am transgender,
:26:41. > :26:42.makes a big deal of it, tells everybody and freaks
:26:43. > :26:46.All I want to do at my new school is fit in,
:26:47. > :26:49.like all the other new girls, not to be picked on or bullied out
:26:50. > :27:00.Hmm, let me think for a minute.
:27:01. > :27:07.The question is simple: How helpful is it to introduce very young people
:27:08. > :27:12.Some worry that it will simply confuse, planting ideas
:27:13. > :27:14.into children who may be different but not trans.
:27:15. > :27:17.Let's talk about this to Stephanie Davis-Arai
:27:18. > :27:20.from Transgender Trend, which is a group of parents
:27:21. > :27:23.who are concerned about the current trend to diagnose "gender
:27:24. > :27:26.non-conforming" children as transgender and Susie Green
:27:27. > :27:29.from Mermaids, which is charity that campaigns for the recognition
:27:30. > :27:44.Tell us about your daughter's experience. At what age did she
:27:45. > :27:51.broached the subject? I noticed she did not fit in with what I expected
:27:52. > :27:57.from a typical little boy, from when she was 18 months to about three
:27:58. > :28:01.years, but to be honest I thought I had a very sensitive little boy who
:28:02. > :28:07.would grow up to be gay. It was when she was four and we were watching TV
:28:08. > :28:12.one day and I don't know where it came from, but she said, money and
:28:13. > :28:17.need to tell you something. She said, God has made a mistake and I
:28:18. > :28:26.should have been a girl. That young? Four. Did she ever waver after that?
:28:27. > :28:31.No, she was bullied incessantly and she was told by me constantly from
:28:32. > :28:36.when she came out with that first statement to when she reiterated it
:28:37. > :28:40.time and time again that it was fine for boys to like girl things and she
:28:41. > :28:47.did not have to be a girl and her response to that was, that is not
:28:48. > :28:55.it. You object to the idea that a young person would be suggested into
:28:56. > :28:59.taking up an idea? I do not see that gender is that fragile that you can
:29:00. > :29:04.make a child reform by presenting them with that possibility that it
:29:05. > :29:14.is a suggestion. And she will not reform now? Definitely not, no. Why
:29:15. > :29:18.would you not just accept a child? I do not want to comment on
:29:19. > :29:22.individuals, but I want to talk about what we are teaching children
:29:23. > :29:28.and children at the age of four who have no idea what we mean about
:29:29. > :29:35.changing gender. It is not possible to change from male to female, that
:29:36. > :29:39.is a biological impossibility. You cannot change your reproductive
:29:40. > :29:46.system, but you can express yourself. Gender means a socially
:29:47. > :29:52.constructive idea of what boys should be doing and how they should
:29:53. > :29:57.behave and dress. That is fluid and we should encourage boys to wear
:29:58. > :30:04.dresses and girls can like gay men. What is your point? What we are
:30:05. > :30:09.teaching children, and the BBC film shows that clearly, is you can
:30:10. > :30:13.change from boy to girl. We are calling it gender and we are not
:30:14. > :30:17.being honest with the children. When we give children information, we
:30:18. > :30:22.need to make sure that information is accurate.
:30:23. > :30:30.Are you rejecting the idea of transgender in saying that? No, we
:30:31. > :30:35.need great caution in how we apply this theory to children. In the past
:30:36. > :30:40.we called it transsexual, which is I think a more honest word. If we are
:30:41. > :30:47.calling children transgender, the treatment pathway is the same as
:30:48. > :30:50.transsexual. It these two children being sterilised and on medication
:30:51. > :30:56.for life in order to be there or think Dick selves. Is that correct?
:30:57. > :31:03.-- in order to be their authentic selves. Lie, people are very
:31:04. > :31:10.carefully assessed before any medical intervention is offered --
:31:11. > :31:18.no, people are very carefully assessed. The fact is, we know that,
:31:19. > :31:25.version therapy, the therapy to try and teach young people to be happy
:31:26. > :31:29.and to accept their birth gender we know does not work. There must be
:31:30. > :31:32.some empirical answer to the question, how many people start down
:31:33. > :31:37.the path that your daughter did and then say it was the wrong thing for
:31:38. > :31:44.them to do? You had experience in this area, is it a large number? I
:31:45. > :31:50.would say, we have over 800 parents in the group and about 200 people.
:31:51. > :31:58.And? With the parents who have children who have gender dysphoria,
:31:59. > :32:07.not those who are cross playing, that is something different... How
:32:08. > :32:18.many regret it? I would say six. The figure from medical studies is
:32:19. > :32:23.around 80%. That is an old study. That is including all of the studies
:32:24. > :32:25.and some of those include gender nonconforming children but we don't
:32:26. > :32:33.know which children will desist and which will persist, even the most
:32:34. > :32:42.extreme cases. Excuse me, we know that with very careful treatment
:32:43. > :32:45.schedules, we are careful in assessing and careful blocking
:32:46. > :32:49.medication to pause puberty and that is reversible. The young people who
:32:50. > :32:53.go through it and they are better socially functioning, less
:32:54. > :32:57.depression and anxiety and we know that they have far better outcomes
:32:58. > :33:04.in adult life. We have no long-term research. The Dutch do. No
:33:05. > :33:10.long-term. People in their 20s and 30s. These are factual questions
:33:11. > :33:15.that should be answered. It is not evidence -based treatment for
:33:16. > :33:17.children. We must leave it there. Breaking Bad's creator
:33:18. > :33:19.Vince Gilligan said he always planned to transform his main
:33:20. > :33:21.character Walter White On screen it was the actor
:33:22. > :33:27.Bryan Cranston who we watched evolve from a mild mannered chemistry
:33:28. > :33:31.teacher to a murderer and drug lord. The role won him a number
:33:32. > :33:34.of awards in the process. Now, I suspect most of us had never
:33:35. > :33:37.heard of Mr Cranston before Breaking Bad,
:33:38. > :33:39.but he had had quite a number of roles, in Saving Private Ryan
:33:40. > :33:42.and Seinfeld among others. And now, he's published his memoir,
:33:43. > :33:45.A Life in Parts. It's story time with Bryan Cranston,
:33:46. > :33:54.an acting masterclass. "She was choking, I instinctively
:33:55. > :33:57.reached to turn her over, And then somehow as she was fading,
:33:58. > :34:08.she wasn't herself any more. I wasn't looking at Jane
:34:09. > :34:15.or Jesse's girlfriend, I was looking at Taylor,
:34:16. > :34:19.my daughter, my real daughter. I wasn't Walter White any more,
:34:20. > :34:22.I was Bryan Cranston Family crops up a lot in his book,
:34:23. > :34:30.not just his daughter, but his parents who we learnt badly
:34:31. > :34:34.let down the young Bryan I have had a very
:34:35. > :34:40.challenging childhood. There was abandonment,
:34:41. > :34:44.there was alcoholism, so there was resentment and anger
:34:45. > :34:51.and my job affords me the avenue to be able to channel those
:34:52. > :34:56.feelings into my work. And the jealousy and resentment,
:34:57. > :34:59.anger and hatred and any of those aspects that you've ever felt
:35:00. > :35:02.in your life need to be able So that's how he pulled off one
:35:03. > :35:06.of the greatest roles in TV history. His mother was the alcoholic,
:35:07. > :35:11.his father the abandoner when Cranston was 11 and much later,
:35:12. > :35:13.after his dad died, In his own shaky handwriting
:35:14. > :35:30.he said, "The best part of my life or best time of my life
:35:31. > :35:33.was when my children forgave me I can't go home smelling
:35:34. > :35:47.like a meth lab. Those, wow, you are
:35:48. > :35:55.keeping those on, right? They have been integral
:35:56. > :36:02.to your career in a sense. The tightie whities to me
:36:03. > :36:14.represented a maturity that When I met with Vince he told me
:36:15. > :36:30.he wanted to turn the dial on him, so the character we met
:36:31. > :36:33.in the beginning, that Walter White, would cease to exist
:36:34. > :36:36.by the end of the series. He would be a completely
:36:37. > :36:37.different person. I was fascinated by that
:36:38. > :36:40.and I wanted in desperately. In the history of television that
:36:41. > :36:46.construct had never been done. Here's this character,
:36:47. > :36:48.I get it, and once you sympathise with him and you follow him
:36:49. > :36:52.and you root for him, then we are going to turn the dial
:36:53. > :36:56.and have him completely change and you are coming along with us
:36:57. > :36:58.because they planted Before Walter White,
:36:59. > :37:04.his most significant father in Malcolm In The Middle,
:37:05. > :37:11.often humming or whistling a tune. I got a call from the music
:37:12. > :37:14.coordinator from the network and they said while you are
:37:15. > :37:17.whistling and humming on the show, it is your own orchestration,
:37:18. > :37:19.you are not whistling Every time I got a cheque I would
:37:20. > :37:32.bring it into my crew and say, "Look, I've got more money,"
:37:33. > :37:35.and so I'd have a party. The crew started thinking,
:37:36. > :37:37."This is great, every time he gets So they would come up with ideas,
:37:38. > :37:43.as he is fixing the garbage disposal, it seems like he could be
:37:44. > :37:47.whistling and I would go, "Hey, And there is two seconds -
:37:48. > :37:53.they'd just bought themselves With Breaking Bad Emmys under his
:37:54. > :38:02.belt the offers have flooded in. Often historical characters,
:38:03. > :38:06.the likes of Dalton Trumbo, a screenwriter blacklisted under
:38:07. > :38:11.McCarthy for being a Communist. Obviously that's a time
:38:12. > :38:18.when America was so polarised. Do you think you are
:38:19. > :38:20.as divided now politically? I think there are periods in time
:38:21. > :38:24.when people feel disenfranchised I think the presence of Donald Trump
:38:25. > :38:33.is actually in the long run a good thing because it could be
:38:34. > :38:36.a wake-up call to what could Yes, I'm fascinated by Trump
:38:37. > :38:43.because he is a classic, What's so amazing about
:38:44. > :38:58.Donald Trump is that he is He talks about issues and problems
:38:59. > :39:04.and if you listen to that, you would think that everything
:39:05. > :39:07.He also doesn't present any solutions.
:39:08. > :39:10."I'm just going to make it great, it'll be great again, I can
:39:11. > :39:16.We're going to make great deals, it is going to be fantastic,
:39:17. > :39:18.everything is going to be huge, it's going to be great.
:39:19. > :39:21.Problem, problem, problem, great, great, great."
:39:22. > :39:38.He has no ideas, that's why he's so Shakespearean because he's just
:39:39. > :39:40.so unlike anyone we've ever seen in that realm.
:39:41. > :39:46.It's not real to me that he could win.
:39:47. > :39:54.It would be just the most bizarre thing imaginable.
:39:55. > :40:02.I hope that when he loses, he would do everyone a favour
:40:03. > :40:09.Before he started making money out of acting,
:40:10. > :40:18.I met a guy named Reverend Bob who was a very friendly guy
:40:19. > :40:20.and he said, "I need your help one day."
:40:21. > :40:24.He said, "I accidentally booked two weddings,
:40:25. > :40:26.same day, same time, but different locations.
:40:27. > :40:40.All of sudden I'm an ordained minister and it did occur to me
:40:41. > :40:42.after the success of Malcolm In The Middle
:40:43. > :40:44.or Breaking Bad that someone might be watching at some point
:40:45. > :40:47.and go, "Honey, I think Walter White married us."
:40:48. > :40:52."Since I became famous," you wrote in this book, "My
:40:53. > :41:02.One thing you don't train for, you don't know when you become
:41:03. > :41:05.an actor, is what to do if you become famous.
:41:06. > :41:10.There is no school for that, there is no class for that.
:41:11. > :41:14.At one time you could go to a store and nobody knows who you are
:41:15. > :41:21.I'm no longer treated on an even keel with everyone else.
:41:22. > :41:30.What I lost also, one of the things I love to do
:41:31. > :41:32.and it is an actor's obligation and interest, is to study
:41:33. > :41:35.human behaviour, but once you are being studied
:41:36. > :41:38.yourself, their behaviour has changed and they are no
:41:39. > :41:47.And the conversation, too, when you meet people,
:41:48. > :41:49.they want to talk about me, that's all they want
:41:50. > :41:54.Quite frankly I want to expand beyond that.
:41:55. > :41:56.I have a tendency now to be more secluded.
:41:57. > :42:08.He looks like a completely different person in all of the roles he plays.
:42:09. > :42:30.Good evening, tomorrow is the 1st of November, a change of month and a
:42:31. > :42:34.change of feel to the weather. After a foggy start, it will lift to
:42:35. > :42:37.low-grade cloud. The best sunshine further north and west but the
:42:38. > :42:38.temperatures are going