:00:00. > :00:10.The Mexican peso has been slipping against the US dollar.
:00:11. > :00:21.The peso goes down when Donald Trump's chances go up.
:00:22. > :00:24.With a week to go, the markets are telling us he's breathing down
:00:25. > :00:37.I am reaching out because I want to be the President for all Americans.
:00:38. > :00:44.The Olympic champion gymnast Louis Smith gets suspended
:00:45. > :00:58.We debate what crosses the line and what's harmless fun.
:00:59. > :01:09.Johnny Marr on getting advice on how to deal with Morrisey
:01:10. > :01:16.I am sat in the presence of the one person who could really,
:01:17. > :01:19.really give me some insight into this situation, you know.
:01:20. > :01:21.The man who's been defined by a songwriting partnership
:01:22. > :01:25.and if anyone can give me some advice, it's him.
:01:26. > :01:30.So, I told him what had been going on and he took a minute
:01:31. > :01:39.and he looked at me and he paused and he said, that's bands for you!
:01:40. > :01:45.There is one week to go to the US election and, let's be honest,
:01:46. > :01:48.we in the media have a strong incentive to tell you that
:01:49. > :01:52.it is close in order to sustain the drama.
:01:53. > :01:56.To that end, let me tell you that the ABC Washington Post
:01:57. > :01:59.tracking poll has today shown a tiny Trump lead over Clinton -
:02:00. > :02:05.Now this is just one poll and in the US it's about winning
:02:06. > :02:08.states as well as votes, but no one is doubting
:02:09. > :02:14.You can see that in the changing bookies' odds and indeed in that
:02:15. > :02:22.On the forecast we've been quoting in recent days,
:02:23. > :02:26.Hillary was yesterday on a 75% chance of winning,
:02:27. > :02:36.Emily is there, for the duration now.
:02:37. > :02:43.How is it different in mood to some of your earlier trips now? It does
:02:44. > :02:47.feel like there is a shift. We should say it does feel every time
:02:48. > :02:52.you come, like there is a shift one way or another, but let me put it
:02:53. > :02:55.like this, last week when we were preparing for the election night
:02:56. > :03:00.programme we started imagining using language that we hadn't imagined
:03:01. > :03:05.using before, what if there was a Hillary Clinton landslide victory on
:03:06. > :03:10.her hands? What if we started putting places like Texas into
:03:11. > :03:13.battle ground grey columns, places that hadn't been considered
:03:14. > :03:17.battlegrounds for decades? What if, perish the thought, this was a quiet
:03:18. > :03:20.election night and nothing changed hands and numbers stayed the same
:03:21. > :03:23.and nothing much happened? We should have known better than to realise
:03:24. > :03:27.this was an election that would throw up surprises right until the
:03:28. > :03:32.very end. It has been pretty supernatural from the start. As you
:03:33. > :03:37.said, today ABC, which is our sister network here in terms of the data
:03:38. > :03:40.that we will be using on the actual night, gave Trump that one-point
:03:41. > :03:45.lead. This is a national lead and I think it's more interesting if you
:03:46. > :03:50.start delving down into the numbers beneath that headline and they show
:03:51. > :03:56.what I would call an enthusiasm gap. When you ask voters who they're very
:03:57. > :03:59.enthusiastic for, Trump has an 8-point lead over Hillary Clinton
:04:00. > :04:04.amongst their own supporters. In other words, people that are voting
:04:05. > :04:08.for Trump are more enthusiastic to do so by eight points than those
:04:09. > :04:12.voting for Clinton. Does this mean that people who decided to vote for
:04:13. > :04:15.Hillary Clinton won't? It of it doesn't. They'll vote anyway. They
:04:16. > :04:20.might not rally friends or families, they might not get the vote out with
:04:21. > :04:23.the same enthusiasm and that altogether could start to depress
:04:24. > :04:28.the Democrat vote a little bit. There is also a boost for Trump when
:04:29. > :04:33.we look at things like people who call themselves leaning republican
:04:34. > :04:38.or republican. He used to have an 80% polling here, now he has 86%.
:04:39. > :04:43.For Hillary Clinton, that tends to be slipping a little bit. What we
:04:44. > :04:47.are finding interestingly enough is that if you ask people about who
:04:48. > :04:50.consider themselves Democrat or Democrat leaning they've started
:04:51. > :04:53.being more pro- Trump than those who would call themselves Republican
:04:54. > :04:57.would be more pro-Clinton. It all gets interesting here and one of of
:04:58. > :05:01.the key things is early voting. The Democrats get all their votes or a
:05:02. > :05:05.large percentage of their lead from early voting before polling day. The
:05:06. > :05:09.Republicans get their big boost on the day itself.
:05:10. > :05:16.Emily, thank Mark Urban has been in Washington
:05:17. > :05:19.where they are still digesting and critiquing the news that the FBI
:05:20. > :05:19.are looking at e-mails that might, or might not,
:05:20. > :05:19.incriminate Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton and Donald
:05:20. > :05:23.Trump are locked... A week out and the polls are showing
:05:24. > :05:27.that the frontrunner Hillary Trump supporters are hoping
:05:28. > :05:30.the latest revelation, that the FBI is examining thousands
:05:31. > :05:33.of new e-mails, may dent The race has tightened up and it's
:05:34. > :05:47.because of the FBI director... For her part, she's questioned
:05:48. > :05:50.the FBI director's judgment for publicising this
:05:51. > :05:54.new investigation now. I'm sure a lot of you may be asking
:05:55. > :05:57.what this new e-mail story is about and why in the world
:05:58. > :06:00.the FBI would decide to jump into an election with no
:06:01. > :06:05.evidence of any wrongdoing Last Friday, the 538 poll
:06:06. > :06:19.gave Hillary Clinton Now that's down, but to
:06:20. > :06:27.a still substantial 74.3%. Her chances have lessened somewhat
:06:28. > :06:31.since a high point of over The Real Clear Politics average poll
:06:32. > :06:41.shows a 2.2 percentage point lead for Clinton,
:06:42. > :06:47.who is on 47.5% to Trump's 45.3%. But even these margins of a few
:06:48. > :06:53.points put her in a better position than Barack Obama's 1% lead
:06:54. > :06:57.going into the 2012 vote. When you look at all of the polls
:06:58. > :07:03.in aggregate they do still show a commanding lead for
:07:04. > :07:05.Hillary Clinton and the pollsters would all have to be wrong
:07:06. > :07:08.by a considerable margin for that to come apart
:07:09. > :07:13.at this stage of the race. Now, obviously, Trump's people feel
:07:14. > :07:16.that because of the nature of the political insurgency they've
:07:17. > :07:19.mounted that many of their supporters may not show up
:07:20. > :07:24.on conventional polling. But they really would have to do
:07:25. > :07:27.extremely well across the board So, the Trump campaign
:07:28. > :07:36.in the Republican National Committee held a press call today and said
:07:37. > :07:39.there's four states Trump needs He is currently slightly behind
:07:40. > :07:49.in the polls by one or two points. So if he can flip that
:07:50. > :07:52.in his advantage and keep hold of North Carolina he has
:07:53. > :07:54.a path to victory. He needs to also flip Florida
:07:55. > :07:57.and Ohio, which both If he can hold on to North Carolina
:07:58. > :08:02.and keep a lead in Florida and Ohio and Iowa he does
:08:03. > :08:06.have a path to victory. There are other things standing
:08:07. > :08:11.in the way of a Trump In several key states a big part
:08:12. > :08:18.of this election has actually happened with 23 million already
:08:19. > :08:22.having voted nationwide. So last-minute revelations
:08:23. > :08:26.are already too late for those people and a big early vote
:08:27. > :08:29.favours the Democrats. Tonight, Hillary Clinton
:08:30. > :08:31.was addressing a series It's one of those key battlegrounds
:08:32. > :08:37.that many pollsters say Her lead has ebbed and while she's
:08:38. > :08:43.still out in front she's leaving nothing to chance
:08:44. > :08:51.as she nears the finishing line. I'm joined by Larry Sabato
:08:52. > :08:53.from the University of Virginia's Centre for Politics
:08:54. > :09:04.who publishes the Crystal Good evening to you. Very quickly,
:09:05. > :09:10.your chances at the moment on Hillary Clinton, you would be
:09:11. > :09:14.putting it at 70% or thereabouts? Yes, we have had it at 75-25 for
:09:15. > :09:18.sometime and I think it's holding there. What is interesting is the
:09:19. > :09:23.polls seem close, we have had this one today where Trump was slightly
:09:24. > :09:27.ahead. Yet, you guys who forecast the percentage chances of one side
:09:28. > :09:33.winning or the other seem to have it firmly as Hillary as the favourite.
:09:34. > :09:37.Why is Hillary so comfortably the favourite, when the polls seem
:09:38. > :09:42.close? Well, the polls are close, although two points is actually
:09:43. > :09:47.substantial T would be about 2.5 million votes nationwide. Remember,
:09:48. > :09:53.President Obama, as your correspondent said, at this time in
:09:54. > :09:58.2012 was ahead eight 10ths of 1% and won by 4%age points, that was five
:09:59. > :10:03.million votes. So, the polls averages are simply a rough gauge of
:10:04. > :10:07.what's going on. You have to remember that Hillary Clinton's
:10:08. > :10:11.campaign has a much better on the ground operation than do the Trump
:10:12. > :10:16.people. And the early voting has actually gone very well for the
:10:17. > :10:21.Democrats. We are up to 26 million, that's double the number at this
:10:22. > :10:24.time in 2012. Right. Now, in terms of what they have to achieve it's
:10:25. > :10:28.electoral college votes, we know that, it's not just the popular
:10:29. > :10:32.vote. Everybody keeps saying North
:10:33. > :10:36.Carolina seems to be a state, if Trump can't win North Carolina,
:10:37. > :10:41.which is only 15 of the 270 or so you need, if he can't win North
:10:42. > :10:46.Carolina there is no path that he can use to make it to the White
:10:47. > :10:51.House. Why is North Carolina so decisive? Well, actually I don't
:10:52. > :10:54.agree with that. There are paths around North Carolina and you are
:10:55. > :10:59.correct it's only 15 electoral votes. The place he must win is
:11:00. > :11:04.Florida. 29 electoral votes, Trump cannot possibly win without Florida.
:11:05. > :11:07.Because he's blocked in many of the other democratic leaning
:11:08. > :11:11.battleground states. Where do you have him on Florida at the moment,
:11:12. > :11:17.wlaes the likely outcome there? Florida is a complete toss-up but
:11:18. > :11:20.Trump is a tiny bit ahead. However, that's a place where Democrats have
:11:21. > :11:24.a very good ground game and again a ground game can get you an extra
:11:25. > :11:29.point or two. What about Trump's ground game? He barely has one. He
:11:30. > :11:35.has - he hasn't invested in that. He spent his money on rallies and TV
:11:36. > :11:42.adverts. Tell us about the Republicans and the Republican party
:11:43. > :11:48.is a coalition, you have some Trumpists, you have some evangelical
:11:49. > :11:51.conservatives, Trump is not a natural evangelical Christian. You
:11:52. > :11:55.have the old establishment. Are they really all going to come out on the
:11:56. > :11:59.day and vote for Trump who is a candidate who has defined himself
:12:00. > :12:04.against so much of what the old republican party might be said to
:12:05. > :12:09.have stood for? Many of them are quite cold on Trump. I would say
:12:10. > :12:15.about 15% are strongly opposed. But here is what is interesting, as much
:12:16. > :12:19.as they don't like Trump, they despise Hillary Clinton. And what
:12:20. > :12:26.has hurt Clinton more than anything else was the decision by our federal
:12:27. > :12:30.bureau of investigation director to essentially reopen the investigation
:12:31. > :12:33.into Hillary Clinton's private e-mail server while she was
:12:34. > :12:39.Secretary of State, it really has hurt her. It has taken a lot of
:12:40. > :12:43.leaning Republicans who didn't want to vote for Trump and it's put them
:12:44. > :12:47.in Trump's category. I don't know whether Clinton can get them back, I
:12:48. > :12:50.doubt she can. The other thing that can happen if you have people in a
:12:51. > :12:53.party who don't like their party's candidate he vote for the third or
:12:54. > :12:58.fourth candidate, the independents and say OK I am a Repaubl can but I
:12:59. > :13:02.am not going to vote for Trump. What's interesting is that the minor
:13:03. > :13:07.candidates, they don't seem to be featuring heavily at all in this
:13:08. > :13:13.contest. No, that's the American tradition. It's unlike what exists
:13:14. > :13:17.now in Britain. We don't have a multi-party system and towards the
:13:18. > :13:22.end of a campaign almost all, not all, but almost all third party
:13:23. > :13:25.candidates decline. Some of them into oblivion because a vote for a
:13:26. > :13:31.third party candidate is called a wasted vote. I don't agree with that
:13:32. > :13:38.but that's how most look at it. What can Hillary Clinton do to get the
:13:39. > :13:41.initiative back? It feels as though somehow she has to change the
:13:42. > :13:48.conversation. We have all been talk being the FBI for the last four
:13:49. > :13:54.days, we haven't been talking about Donald Trump. How can she change the
:13:55. > :13:58.conversation? Well, she's trying. She was introduced today by the Miss
:13:59. > :14:04.Universe that Donald Trump attacked in a prior debate. She's trying. But
:14:05. > :14:08.you are correct, she needs to stop talking about the e-mails and
:14:09. > :14:13.develop a line of attack that will last until Tuesday. Here is what is
:14:14. > :14:16.fascinating, this is not just an opinion, it's a good statistical
:14:17. > :14:21.study that we have done of what's happened in the campaign. Every time
:14:22. > :14:25.Donald Trump is in the headlines for more than a few days, he goes down
:14:26. > :14:29.in the polls. Every time Hillary Clinton is in the headlines for more
:14:30. > :14:34.than a few days, she goes down in the polls. We have two very
:14:35. > :14:38.unpopular candidates with the highest unfavourable ratings since
:14:39. > :14:43.polls have been taken in America. Thank you, nice talking to you.
:14:44. > :14:47.There's a lot of talk of remoaners - those folks who appear to have
:14:48. > :14:48.trouble accepting the referendum result; usually people
:14:49. > :14:51.who ask awkward questions about exactly what Brexit means.
:14:52. > :14:53.But it is an under-reported fact that some of the leading
:14:54. > :14:56.remoaners are the Japanese - or at least the one's
:14:57. > :14:58.who have invested billions of pounds in this country,
:14:59. > :15:00.creating jobs and resuscitating our otherwise modest car industry.
:15:01. > :15:03.Yesterday, both the Japanese ambassador to Britain and the head
:15:04. > :15:06.of the Chamber of Commerce were at a reception with the Brexit
:15:07. > :15:09.secretary, David Davis and they told him that their companies will need
:15:10. > :15:12.more than general assurances about unimpeded access
:15:13. > :15:19.Earlier today I spoke to the Japanese business
:15:20. > :15:26.He is a big name in the consulting and business school world,
:15:27. > :15:28.and was advising Japanese companies to move here decades ago.
:15:29. > :15:35.I asked how the Japanese viewed the post-referendum rhetoric?
:15:36. > :15:43.We don't know what the final shape would be, and as an investor
:15:44. > :15:49.to Britain, we would like to know the final shape of the country,
:15:50. > :15:57.We have always considered the United Kingdom as the place
:15:58. > :16:04.to operate the entire European businesses from.
:16:05. > :16:10.And that means that if the UK is a separate entity
:16:11. > :16:12.from the European Union, then we have to make two
:16:13. > :16:21.We hear the voice of Nicola Sturgeon who says that Scotland
:16:22. > :16:29.In which case the final shape of the UK may be England.
:16:30. > :16:33.And until that final shape of the UK is clear,
:16:34. > :16:38.we will have to withdraw, or hold investment sessions.
:16:39. > :16:41.One piece of news we have had to the referendum, on Japanese
:16:42. > :16:47.investment, is Nissan saying they will put their next investment
:16:48. > :16:51.in Sunderland, in the big plant up there.
:16:52. > :16:54.Should we take heart from that, do you think, or do you think
:16:55. > :17:03.The answer from the UK Government is that the condition
:17:04. > :17:07.after the Brexit, as far as the automobile export
:17:08. > :17:14.from Sunderland, is going to be the same as now.
:17:15. > :17:17.The European Union hasn't said that, European Union says that we will not
:17:18. > :17:20.give the UK any preference, and therefore, that's just
:17:21. > :17:27.a statement by the UK Government which will have to wait and see.
:17:28. > :17:30.And it's true that Nissan had said that they will continue
:17:31. > :17:37.producing the two types of models after Brexit.
:17:38. > :17:39.That's a very, very minor, one company decision.
:17:40. > :17:50.I don't think other companies will follow suit.
:17:51. > :17:53.I don't think that you can say for sure that the
:17:54. > :17:58.is going to remain the same as now, and therefore,
:17:59. > :18:01.it's a very special case, baby Nissan already made
:18:02. > :18:06.One of the decisions facing us is that we might be able
:18:07. > :18:15.to negotiate a deal with the EU so there are no taxes,
:18:16. > :18:18.no tariffs on our cars going into the European Union.
:18:19. > :18:22.If there is no tariffs but some small amount of bureaucratic
:18:23. > :18:25.impediment to crossing the border, is that important or is that
:18:26. > :18:30.UK production for a plant like Sunderland is so much more
:18:31. > :18:35.competitive than Nissan's operations elsewhere, and therefore,
:18:36. > :18:38.two or 3% tariff would not hurt the current traffic
:18:39. > :18:46.If the migration of people, particularly the export people,
:18:47. > :18:53.are hindered by the Brexit, then that's a more serious problem,
:18:54. > :18:59.because current operation, our operation in the UK,
:19:00. > :19:08.can move people from anywhere in the EU to UK operations,
:19:09. > :19:10.which is wonderful because they love it and it works very well.
:19:11. > :19:12.OK, therefore the migration of people is equally
:19:13. > :19:23.And you are advising Japanese companies at the moment,
:19:24. > :19:26.and are you telling them, hold back on the UK
:19:27. > :19:27.until you see what happens?
:19:28. > :19:34.Because we don't have enough information to make
:19:35. > :19:39.If you have to make a decision in a hurry, then you would
:19:40. > :19:42.prefer a larger market, which is the market of 27 countries,
:19:43. > :19:55.Therefore, with the final picture of the UK uncertain,
:19:56. > :19:58.I will have to advise them to hold, until the course is clear
:19:59. > :20:02.and until the conditions of Brexit worked out,
:20:03. > :20:05.not only by the UK Government, but what the European Union says.
:20:06. > :20:16.And until that is clear, we just have to hold the decision.
:20:17. > :20:23.Probably not what the Tories wanted, but one of the most memorable things
:20:24. > :20:25.about their party conference this year was the idea from
:20:26. > :20:28.Home Secretary Amber Rudd that companies might have to publish
:20:29. > :20:30.the number of foreigners they employ, thereby enabling
:20:31. > :20:33.the rest of us to name and shame those that are not
:20:34. > :20:38.sufficiently patriotic in their employment practices.
:20:39. > :20:40.The idea never made a conference speech as such
:20:41. > :20:43.and was never taken further, but the memory has lingered.
:20:44. > :20:45.Nick Watt has been looking at some context and consequence
:20:46. > :21:01.It's become something of a totemic albatross hanging round the neck of
:21:02. > :21:05.the Home Secretary. Amber Rudd, who is regarded as one of the more
:21:06. > :21:08.liberal members of the Cabinet, prompted dramatic headlines on
:21:09. > :21:13.immigration at the Tory conference last month. Companies would be
:21:14. > :21:17.forced to provide lists of their overseas workers. So how did this
:21:18. > :21:19.idea came to cause and the right and the government such grief, even
:21:20. > :21:24.though the Home Secretary never actually meant the Hollande
:21:25. > :21:28.mentioned it in her speech? The proposal was buried in the
:21:29. > :21:31.Conservative briefing note which explained how the government would
:21:32. > :21:34.seek to reduce the number of overseas workers, the document
:21:35. > :21:37.suggested that companies could be asked to sit out the proportion of
:21:38. > :21:46.their workforce, that is international. The proposal was met
:21:47. > :21:51.with howls of rage that this mild-mannered Remain campaign had
:21:52. > :21:55.taken an uncharacteristic turn to the right. Some are saying you are
:21:56. > :21:59.encouraging people to say, go home, you are doing my job. But isn't that
:22:00. > :22:06.disgraceful? The fact is, we should be able to have a conversation about
:22:07. > :22:08.immigration. Even Angela Merkel voiced concerns, according to one
:22:09. > :22:12.business leaders who met the German Chancellor recently. When she
:22:13. > :22:23.referred to specifically was some unhelpful statements from Brussels,
:22:24. > :22:28.and of course also the concept of listing foreign workers, in this
:22:29. > :22:34.country, which I think would be a very stupid idea. Amber Rudd is
:22:35. > :22:37.immensely frustrated that her first few months as Home Secretary have
:22:38. > :22:44.been soured by what she regards as inaccurate reporting on something
:22:45. > :22:48.she never actually said. Under the proposals, they would be no list of
:22:49. > :22:53.foreign workers published on the idea is aimed at non-EU migrants.
:22:54. > :22:58.Finally, the Home Office say there is an innocent thought behind all of
:22:59. > :23:01.this. They want to identify those sections of the economy dominated by
:23:02. > :23:07.foreign workers to allow the British government to target resources to
:23:08. > :23:14.train up British workers to do those jobs. But the proposal has caused
:23:15. > :23:22.alarm. I think it was perceived very negatively because it's seen as
:23:23. > :23:28.inappropriate, far right statement, which is very unnecessary. It was
:23:29. > :23:35.politically a mistake possibly, it's not clear how it ended up coming
:23:36. > :23:45.into the open but definitely, it's something which I think is unhelpful
:23:46. > :23:48.and also really silly. David Cameron's Circle, who have not
:23:49. > :23:54.forgiven Theresa May per the way in which she distanced herself from her
:23:55. > :23:57.predecessor, have watched the furore with wry amusement, chiefly pointing
:23:58. > :24:03.out that the Prime Minister seemed rather keen on the other day was
:24:04. > :24:06.Home Secretary. The jibes and criticism have a the raw nerve in
:24:07. > :24:10.Downing Street and the Home Office. Number ten denies that Theresa May
:24:11. > :24:13.was rebuffed by David Cameron, and Amber Rudd is having to battle
:24:14. > :24:19.against a perception that she is unable to establish her distinctive
:24:20. > :24:23.approach because she is bound by her predecessor's agenda. The Home
:24:24. > :24:27.Office is bullish, but Amber Rudd didn't raise any objections when the
:24:28. > :24:32.front-page headlines were put to her on the morning after her speech.
:24:33. > :24:36.British gymnast Louis Smith has been given a two month ban
:24:37. > :24:40.by British gymnastics, for mocking Islam.
:24:41. > :24:42.His punishment has attracted a good deal of controversy.
:24:43. > :24:44.Was Louis Smith simply mocking religion, which you are surely
:24:45. > :24:48.allowed to do in private; or was it more insidious?
:24:49. > :25:10.The video was brought to the world by the Sun.
:25:11. > :25:13.Well, it's probably not reasonable to sanction Smith for simply causing
:25:14. > :25:15.offence to someone - some people are easily offended.
:25:16. > :25:19.But was this a beyond a line - not just offensive to a few people,
:25:20. > :25:24.but a breach of some kind of broad social rule?
:25:25. > :25:27.We had a bit of debate in the office, and inevitably found
:25:28. > :25:30.that we were all citing examples of things that may or may not
:25:31. > :25:34.So we thought we might test the principles
:25:35. > :25:38.I'm joined by the writer and broadcaster Emma Dabiri
:25:39. > :25:54.What was your take about Louis Smith, did he deserve a sanction? I
:25:55. > :25:58.think it's important to send a message that this type of discourse
:25:59. > :26:05.is problematic and there is some sort of penalty that will occur. I
:26:06. > :26:09.also feel that sometimes focusing too much on these top of individual
:26:10. > :26:17.outbursts, maybe at the expense of looking more at the culture that
:26:18. > :26:22.creates this type of attitude... The causes as well as the consequences.
:26:23. > :26:27.What did you think? It's not very nice, sure, it's quite offensive and
:26:28. > :26:32.reprints of the blood worthy of sanctions? I don't know. We're not
:26:33. > :26:37.going to exchange Christmas cards! But I'm not that be burning in the
:26:38. > :26:41.effigies. That is look at one of our clips and see what you think of it.
:26:42. > :26:43.This is Robin Clinton in a pastiche of the Church of England. -- Robin
:26:44. > :26:46.Atkinson. And when the steward
:26:47. > :26:50.of the feast did taste of the water from the pots,
:26:51. > :26:54.it had become wine. And they applauded
:26:55. > :27:14.loudly in the kitchen. And they said unto the Lord,
:27:15. > :27:21."How the hell did you do that?" And enquired of Him,
:27:22. > :27:45."Do you do children's parties?" The viewfinder when using? That
:27:46. > :27:49.wasn't particularly to my taste, I didn't find it amusing, nor did I
:27:50. > :27:53.find it offensive. Why is that less offensive, he was imitating the
:27:54. > :28:00.language and style and diction of the Church of England, the ritual,
:28:01. > :28:05.it was similar to Louis Smith? I can see you wouldn't put it in the same
:28:06. > :28:09.category, can you say why? It's about who is performing it can he is
:28:10. > :28:14.British and sending up British traditions to a British audience. So
:28:15. > :28:19.it's more of an inside joke. They are all part of that culture, so
:28:20. > :28:25.it's not somebody of a different culture... Mocking that one. Even if
:28:26. > :28:29.you don't like the humour or the subject matter, you have to admire
:28:30. > :28:37.the skill, the delivery. Did I see you laughing? I cracked a couple of
:28:38. > :28:41.smiles. I am a huge fan of his, even though that's not my favourite joke
:28:42. > :28:46.years ever told, I loved the way he tells it and the way he is playing
:28:47. > :28:51.with language and his expression, it's something to be admired. He is
:28:52. > :28:56.an atheist, mocking the Church of England. He is not an insider
:28:57. > :29:02.committee is racially but he is not one of them, he is one outside them.
:29:03. > :29:09.I guess it's the same. It's still the religion of the country, of
:29:10. > :29:18.which he is from. It is a softer approach as well. So I think the
:29:19. > :29:22.incident, that was reported in the sun, might be different, even if
:29:23. > :29:29.they were Muslims themselves, if they were sending it up... They
:29:30. > :29:40.probably wouldn't be in the same way. I wouldn't imagine! That go to
:29:41. > :29:45.the second exhibit, a tiny clip from the Book of Mormon. The most
:29:46. > :29:47.irreligious... It also marks the people of sub-Saharan Africa.
:29:48. > :29:50.In this part of Africa, we all have a saying -
:29:51. > :29:52.whenever something bad happens, we just throw our hands to
:29:53. > :30:03.Does it mean no worries for the rest of our days?
:30:04. > :30:26.I have seen that show and it has audiences laughing very loudly. I've
:30:27. > :30:35.seen it too, you notice the people walk out as well. Did you find it
:30:36. > :30:40.funny? I really wanted to like it but it struck a weird chord with me
:30:41. > :30:43.and I couldn't reconcile it. I am not telling anybody not to watch it,
:30:44. > :30:51.got great reviews, if you can handle it, enjoy it.
:30:52. > :30:59.It's reinforcing the same old tired stereotypes we see all the time. I
:31:00. > :31:03.don't see what's humourous, it's the same narrative. In it was about
:31:04. > :31:07.Americans, you might like at the bit about the Mormons or maybe not. It's
:31:08. > :31:13.because black Africa is poorer and it has less power in the world and
:31:14. > :31:18.less voice, is that perhaps what makes it more offensive than... ? It
:31:19. > :31:23.is poorer and has less power that's often as a direct result of the
:31:24. > :31:27.actions of certain parts of the world. So for then those parts of
:31:28. > :31:31.the world to attempt to present that in a humourous way is quite
:31:32. > :31:34.sickening. It's interesting that they don't black up white people in
:31:35. > :31:39.that show. They use black people to play the black parts. Again it's
:31:40. > :31:46.interesting to know that sending up the Africans in any way is secondary
:31:47. > :31:51.to the sending up of the Mormon faith in that show, Ifwecan you
:31:52. > :31:57.follow it through it can be offensive. So much offence in that
:31:58. > :32:03.show. Let's take the third one. This is a comedian who has put a
:32:04. > :32:08.stereotypical gay voice over the words of Donald Trump. This is all
:32:09. > :32:11.over the internet. Using the actual Trump words, but with a gay voice.
:32:12. > :32:22.You have to see it to understand what I mean. Here it is.
:32:23. > :32:24.So get the wrestlers up here, come on, fellas,
:32:25. > :32:29.I said to a couple of them, they weigh
:32:30. > :32:31.half my weight, do you think I could take him?
:32:32. > :32:33.The other guys said no, sir, I am sorry.
:32:34. > :32:43.Undefeated team from the University of Iowa.
:32:44. > :32:54.This used to be called gay Trump. It's been relabed sassy Trump. I
:32:55. > :33:01.suspect it was a bit less potentially homophobic. Do you want
:33:02. > :33:04.to... You have shown us four clips and they're all targeting a specific
:33:05. > :33:09.sect in society. A lot of people find them funny, a lot don't. People
:33:10. > :33:15.who find them offensive don't have to engage with them. Don't you find
:33:16. > :33:20.that offensive Personally, I didn't find it offensive. If they were, I
:33:21. > :33:23.would hate for them to think less of anybody enjoying the clip because I
:33:24. > :33:26.feel it's easy, there's so much options in terms of comedy out
:33:27. > :33:30.there, you don't have to engage with the first thing you see. I am not
:33:31. > :33:34.sure how much I buy that argument saying if you don't like this you
:33:35. > :33:41.don't have to engage with it because I think some of the things, some of
:33:42. > :33:44.the clips we saw are actually spreading quite pernicious and
:33:45. > :33:47.problematic narratives that have an effect on people's lives and how
:33:48. > :33:53.people are viewed and treated in society. You are basically saying
:33:54. > :33:58.nothing really that has any element of stereotyping or mocking of
:33:59. > :34:01.anything, of a group which is perhaps excluded or has a history of
:34:02. > :34:05.exclusion s that the rule as you see it and isn't that restrictive?
:34:06. > :34:09.That's actually not what I am saying. That's not what I am saying
:34:10. > :34:13.at all. I think you have to look at the power dynamics of who is
:34:14. > :34:16.enacting the humour and who it's being kind of enacted upon. Maybe
:34:17. > :34:21.that's it. It's the context. If it was a KKK person doing it it's never
:34:22. > :34:25.going to be funny. And if it's Nelson Mandela doing it... I am
:34:26. > :34:31.about freedom of speech. If you are not going to let people have a forum
:34:32. > :34:35.to express, however distasteful, as a Muslim comic I have seen
:34:36. > :34:39.distasteful things. They'll find other forms of putting it out, in an
:34:40. > :34:43.underground way or somewhere on the internet. It breeds a second source
:34:44. > :34:44.of resentment if you don't let them have an outlet. We have to leave it
:34:45. > :34:48.there. Thank you both very much. It's a Smith themed
:34:49. > :34:50.programme tonight. We've had Louis, and we now bring
:34:51. > :34:53.you The Smiths, or at least, Thanks to his guitar
:34:54. > :34:56.and the mordant lyrics of the gladioli-wielding Morrissey,
:34:57. > :34:59.the Smiths became one of our best-loved bands with unlikely hits
:35:00. > :35:02.like Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now But the Smiths broke up three
:35:03. > :35:07.decades ago and Marr has since worked with everybody
:35:08. > :35:09.who's anybody in music, including Keith Richards,
:35:10. > :35:13.Bryan Ferry and The Pretenders. He's been revisiting his career
:35:14. > :35:17.in a new memoir, Set The Boy Free and revealing the words of comfort
:35:18. > :35:19.that Paul McCartney gave him about bands breaking up
:35:20. > :35:40.to our very own Smith - # I was happy in a haze of a drunken
:35:41. > :35:47.hour but heaven knows I'm miserable now...
:35:48. > :35:55.I think there is an idea of the Smiths being completely mired in
:35:56. > :36:05.subterfuge and manipulation and 15ly neurotic. The things that were in
:36:06. > :36:16.us, desperation, more importantly, a really poetic vision, idealism and
:36:17. > :36:22.romanticism of pop culture. What a song can do to a person and we both
:36:23. > :36:26.had exactly in the same way. # Heaven knows I'm miserable now.
:36:27. > :36:30.When that happens and he could write lyrics and I could write music and
:36:31. > :36:40.we really complemented each other very, very well.
:36:41. > :36:46.I'd like to ask you some guitar questions. My friend, Geoff
:36:47. > :36:50.Morrison, of Geoff Morrison and the Thigh Scratchers, I don't know if
:36:51. > :36:53.you are familiar... How are they doing They do very well. They play
:36:54. > :36:59.to pubs in the Surrey area. He wanted to know when you learned
:37:00. > :37:06.guitar who did you copy? I started off copying Marc Bolan.
:37:07. > :37:10.First stuff that I learned to play was the Marc Bolan singles. I would
:37:11. > :37:17.try and work out the entire song so a song like, a good example would
:37:18. > :37:20.be, All the Young Dudes. I would work out the chords first and the
:37:21. > :37:32.chords were just as exciting for me to learn than the lead part.
:37:33. > :37:37.And Noel Gallagher of Oasis in his turn borrowed from Jonny Marr,
:37:38. > :37:43.including a guitar. Or two. I got a phone call from the office
:37:44. > :37:48.one day saying that Oasis had been in a fight with the audience in
:37:49. > :37:52.Newcastle on the stage and I thought, OK. Where are we going with
:37:53. > :37:58.this? The guitar had been damaged. What do you want me to do about it?
:37:59. > :38:03.Have you got another one? He was used to a Les Paul so I got the one
:38:04. > :38:08.that I did The Queen is Dead On and sent it up to Newcastle with a
:38:09. > :38:12.little note that said, it's a lot heavier in weight and sound, but if
:38:13. > :38:21.you get a good swing on it you will take someone's head off.
:38:22. > :38:26.It's a bit like Excalibur finding its rightful place or is that
:38:27. > :38:36.fanciful? No, he did tell that tale in the style of he and I meeting up
:38:37. > :38:41.on a grassy knoll with a full moon at midnight and me saying here, they
:38:42. > :38:44.will bring you heavy licks. Something along that and then we
:38:45. > :38:51.drank the blood of a grupy which is the way the story goes.
:38:52. > :38:57.- groupie. Since the Smiths broke up 30-odd
:38:58. > :39:00.years ago, Jonny Marr has had no shortage of famous friends to make
:39:01. > :39:06.music with but in the immediate aftermath he turned for advice to
:39:07. > :39:12.the most famous friend of all. I was playing with Paul McCartney all day
:39:13. > :39:17.and it was a fantastic music. It was a real experience, as one would
:39:18. > :39:23.imagine. Then we took a break. I thought, OK, I am sat in the
:39:24. > :39:28.presence of the one person who could really, really give me some insight
:39:29. > :39:31.into this situation, you know. The man who's been defined by
:39:32. > :39:36.songwriting partnership and if anyone can give me some advice, it's
:39:37. > :39:40.him. So, I told him what had been going on and he took a minute and he
:39:41. > :39:45.looked at me and he paused and he said, that's bands for you!
:39:46. > :39:47.Actually, it's probably, I haven't really thought of a better way of
:39:48. > :39:57.putting it. # What difference does it make.
:39:58. > :40:04.Could this band ever get back together? In his book Set The Boy
:40:05. > :40:08.Free Marr reveals he and Morrissey discussed it in a pub eight years
:40:09. > :40:14.ago. We just started talking about how if it could be done, how it
:40:15. > :40:17.could be done. In that moment it was a very exciting nice prospect
:40:18. > :40:22.because it was about friendship, you know. Me and my friend, you know.
:40:23. > :40:28.And we talked about it for a bit how it could be done. With enthusiasm?
:40:29. > :40:33.Yeah, with enthusiasm, yeah, absolutely. We were in touch for a
:40:34. > :40:42.few days and it was very friendly and nice and funny. Then I went away
:40:43. > :40:47.with me and the cribs were doing dates in south America and then the
:40:48. > :40:52.communication stopped for a while then. Which wasn't really a
:40:53. > :41:00.surprise. Let's put it this way, it wasn't as big a surprise as actually
:41:01. > :41:07.getting together. Coming up to that special time of
:41:08. > :41:12.year, did you ever think about a Smiths Christmas single? No, but...
:41:13. > :41:20.That would have been something, wouldn't it? Yeah. I am seeing it,
:41:21. > :41:27.maybe we should reform for that. Scrooge-like but maybe with a nice
:41:28. > :41:32.warm afterglow finish. . Forget the afterglow, I am with you on Scrooge
:41:33. > :41:41.thing, I like the twist. Yeah, I wish you a miserable Christmas.
:41:42. > :41:45.Steve Smith. You were deprived out
:41:46. > :41:48.of Hallowe'en playout last night But anyway it wasn't as good
:41:49. > :42:12.as the weather forecast on Gaelic Good evening. Colder weather is on
:42:13. > :42:14.the way but I don't want to exaggerate it too much.