:00:00. > :00:07.Tonight Donald Trump shows his hand and leaves no one in any doubt
:00:08. > :00:11.of the kind of government he wants to run.
:00:12. > :00:14.Three hardliners on immmigration, justice and terrorism -
:00:15. > :00:24.this man will be his security advisor.
:00:25. > :00:29.Anybody that is foolish enough to think that conflict or wall can't
:00:30. > :00:34.break out again, although have to do is study a little bit of history.
:00:35. > :00:36.They call them Jam, people who are Just About Managing,
:00:37. > :00:38.but is it anything more than a sticky new label?
:00:39. > :00:42.We'll discuss whether the Government can actually do anything for them.
:00:43. > :00:44.When this 14 week job interview is over only one
:00:45. > :00:54.And has the Trump victory just proved celebrity status is now
:00:55. > :01:01.I can comment on something I am sort of an expert at,
:01:02. > :01:05.which is Donald Trump's much better on camera.
:01:06. > :01:07.He's really good at delivering lines and I supported Hillary but she's
:01:08. > :01:27.The big question - perhaps the biggest question -
:01:28. > :01:30.of a Donald Trump presidency was whether it would
:01:31. > :01:32.sound very different to a Donald Trump campaign.
:01:33. > :01:34.The first indication of an answer came today with a resounding no.
:01:35. > :01:37.The President-elect has named three of his top cabinet posts -
:01:38. > :01:41.national security advisor, attorney general and CIA chief.
:01:42. > :01:44.All three jobs have been taken by loyalists, all of them hardline
:01:45. > :01:50.supporters of the Trump policy on immigration and on terrorism.
:01:51. > :01:52.They flesh out parts of Trump we weren't sure
:01:53. > :01:57.Tonight, as Donald Trump agreed to pay out $25 million to settle
:01:58. > :02:00.a lawsuit over Trump University, a move he now hopes will end that
:02:01. > :02:05.controversy, we ask what his time in government will really look like,
:02:06. > :02:07.and whether today's annoucnements provide the closest indication that
:02:08. > :02:14.Donald Trump did indeed mean what he said.
:02:15. > :02:19.The first top Trump cards will not come as any surprise to those
:02:20. > :02:24.expecting the new presidency to herald a sharp shift to the right.
:02:25. > :02:27.Retired Lieutenant General Mike Flynn will be national security
:02:28. > :02:33.adviser, a man with a tough approach to militant Islam who warned us back
:02:34. > :02:39.in July to take trumpet his plans seriously. They underestimate Donald
:02:40. > :02:45.Trump. They underestimate his big strategic leadership capabilities,
:02:46. > :02:56.his very effective large problem-solving capabilities, and
:02:57. > :02:59.his ability to make decisions. Michael Flynn, like Trump, has
:03:00. > :03:04.called for closer ties between the US and Russia, a warmth that has
:03:05. > :03:07.worried security experts. Sarah Chase, a security adviser, worked in
:03:08. > :03:13.the same office as Mike Flynn for three years. He is someone that at
:03:14. > :03:18.best I would be comfortable with if there were grown-ups in the room.
:03:19. > :03:23.The problem is in this administration, there really don't
:03:24. > :03:27.so far seem to be many grown-ups. And so I don't see what prevents
:03:28. > :03:33.things from going off the rails a bit. Trump's Attorney General will
:03:34. > :03:36.be Jeff Sessions, a man who sees eye to eye with Trump on immigration,
:03:37. > :03:42.and was the first senator to endorse him. The house of the Senate are
:03:43. > :03:50.charged up, they believe we have got a new leader, and the president will
:03:51. > :03:54.be the one who sets the agenda. The names still have to be vetted by a
:03:55. > :04:00.confirmation hearing, and this is where Sessions could face obstacles.
:04:01. > :04:02.I am not a racist, I am not insensitive to blacks, I have
:04:03. > :04:07.supported civil rights activity in my state. Accused of racism 30 years
:04:08. > :04:13.ago, he was forced to withdraw from a judge ship under Reagan. I have
:04:14. > :04:17.known him for several years, albeit not well. He has been a very able
:04:18. > :04:22.senator, a Conservative member, but you never know what is in someone's
:04:23. > :04:27.heart. I just won't believe that he is a racist. Mike Pompeo will head
:04:28. > :04:31.the CIA, a former Army officer who has served three terms in Congress
:04:32. > :04:35.committee shot to prominence over the congressional investigation into
:04:36. > :04:40.Benghazi, memorable for its 12 hours of unflinching questioning of
:04:41. > :04:46.Hillary Clinton. Are you saying there was no balance? There was two
:04:47. > :04:52.pages. I have seen the CIA function almost as a rogue organisation, and
:04:53. > :04:58.the thought of having a rogue in charge of a rogue organisation is
:04:59. > :05:05.pretty distressing. Of course, these incendiary words like rogue, racist,
:05:06. > :05:08.ideologue, may strike a note of fear into those who, for the sake of
:05:09. > :05:12.argument, we might call the liberal elite. But they won't have much
:05:13. > :05:16.truck with Trump supporters themselves. These appointments have
:05:17. > :05:19.already had the backing of the former leader of the KKK as well as
:05:20. > :05:26.more moderates along the way. However loud the words of warning
:05:27. > :05:30.shout, at this point it is criticism shouting at itself. These
:05:31. > :05:33.appointments confirm that Rob rewards loyalty and they have
:05:34. > :05:39.probably all passed muster with his son-in-law, Jarrod Cashin, critical
:05:40. > :05:42.gatekeeper to the selection process. The one confirmation we haven't had
:05:43. > :05:48.yet is Pape Souare is crucial, the Secretary of State. Names touted for
:05:49. > :05:55.this role include Marco Rubio and Mitt Romney, both as likely and are
:05:56. > :05:57.unlikely as each other. And if anybody wondered whether this
:05:58. > :06:02.campaign rhetoric would be cemented in policy, perhaps the first hints
:06:03. > :06:09.are starting to emerge. Make America great again. If Trump's own ideology
:06:10. > :06:13.was ever in doubt, that of those who will now surround him and act for
:06:14. > :06:20.him are not. Donald Trump's wall is beginning to take on a whole new
:06:21. > :06:23.meaning, a set of Dell -- citadel around the man himself.
:06:24. > :06:24.John Fredricks is a long-time Trump supporter.
:06:25. > :06:27.He speaks to a solid base of supporters through his
:06:28. > :06:30.And from Washington I'm joined by Julianne Smith,
:06:31. > :06:33.a Deputy National Security Advisor to the Obama administration.
:06:34. > :06:38.John, do you think it is a good or bad thing that Donald Trump seems to
:06:39. > :06:45.be surrounding himself with completely like-minded folk, men? I
:06:46. > :06:47.think he is surrounding himself with those that he wants to put in his
:06:48. > :06:53.cabinet that will carry out his agenda. He ran one of the most
:06:54. > :06:59.specific campaigns in the history of America. He laid out very, very
:07:00. > :07:04.specific agenda items. He told the American people exactly what he was
:07:05. > :07:06.going to do. He said it over and over and over, it was not vague, it
:07:07. > :07:13.was not a visionary without specifics. He proposed a contract
:07:14. > :07:19.for America, everything that he said he was going to do, we expect Donald
:07:20. > :07:24.Trump is going to do. He got elected with the biggest electoral college
:07:25. > :07:29.mandate since Ronald Reagan in 1984. This election was not close. He has
:07:30. > :07:32.a mandate. We expect President-elect Trump is going to do exactly what he
:07:33. > :07:38.told the American people he was going to do for 18 months. Is it
:07:39. > :07:41.matter to you that one of those people is Jeff Sessions, one of only
:07:42. > :07:46.two people not to be confirmed as a federal judge because of racist
:07:47. > :07:52.remarks, and now he will be Attorney General, does that bother you?
:07:53. > :07:56.Absolutely not. I know Jeff Sessions very well, I know him from Alabama,
:07:57. > :08:04.I have talked to him many times, probably had him on my show 20
:08:05. > :08:10.times. So it is not a worry? Jeff Sessions has represented the state
:08:11. > :08:15.of Alabama, he has been a stellar member of the US Senate, he is a
:08:16. > :08:21.statesman. We can go back and find what somebody set or posted on
:08:22. > :08:25.social media said in 1959 or 1963. He was denied a position as a
:08:26. > :08:31.federal judge. Does racism not matter any more in America? Of
:08:32. > :08:36.course race matters! You can't just paint people racist because you
:08:37. > :08:39.don't agree with their policies. What happened on November the 8th
:08:40. > :08:44.and America had nothing to do with race at all. It was about jobs, and
:08:45. > :08:48.it was an absolute revolt in America of working-class Americans who have
:08:49. > :08:55.been kicked to the curb, their jobs shipped overseas, they had no
:08:56. > :08:59.advocate until Donald Trump came along, and he said, look, I am going
:09:00. > :09:06.to fix this. I want to bring Julianne Smith in. This is clearly
:09:07. > :09:11.what America has voted for, this is the Trump that they want. Let me
:09:12. > :09:17.first say in terms of Trump delivering on his promises, we have
:09:18. > :09:19.already seen a softening of his core position, so I disagree that the
:09:20. > :09:23.American people are going to get exactly what they voted for. A lot
:09:24. > :09:27.is said on the campaign trail. It is a different story when you are
:09:28. > :09:31.sitting in the Oval Office. He has rolled back his language on the
:09:32. > :09:35.infamous wall. He has rolled back his promises on health care already
:09:36. > :09:39.after meeting with the president. For me personally it is a good
:09:40. > :09:43.thing, because I don't want him to deliver on many other things he
:09:44. > :09:48.about on the campaign Trail, and so I would like to see him soften his
:09:49. > :09:52.position on Russia. I don't think we should declare that our article five
:09:53. > :09:56.commitments inside the Nato alliance are connected to whether or not our
:09:57. > :10:02.allies are spending enough on defence. So yes, I do hope that the
:10:03. > :10:05.voice of reason prevails, and that when these folks get into the chair
:10:06. > :10:10.and prepare to govern, they are faced with the reality of managing a
:10:11. > :10:13.very complex national security environment, and things are going to
:10:14. > :10:17.look a lot different is once they get into that White House. John, I
:10:18. > :10:24.want to look at that voice of reason in the detail. David Duke, former
:10:25. > :10:29.leader of the KKK, said that Jeff Sessions must stop the massive race
:10:30. > :10:35.discrimination against whites. Are you happy that these people who are
:10:36. > :10:40.tweeting these kinds of statements are now representative of your
:10:41. > :10:44.government? It is unbelievable, Emily, that you would bring that up,
:10:45. > :10:48.and I disagree totally with Julianne, we will get to that of a
:10:49. > :10:54.second. You can find complete idiots like David Duke who is a
:10:55. > :10:57.reprehensible character, who Donald Trump has disavowed a thousand
:10:58. > :11:05.times, he wants to put out a tweet, I don't care what he says. What
:11:06. > :11:11.about Mike Flynn, he tweeted that fear of Muslims is rational. These
:11:12. > :11:15.people have nothing to do with the campaign. He is the new national
:11:16. > :11:25.Security adviser. That is Michael Flynn. He said fear of Muslims is
:11:26. > :11:28.rational. He said that in February. And that tweet was accurate at the
:11:29. > :11:34.time based on the fact that some Muslims had come in to San
:11:35. > :11:38.Bernardino, they were not properly vetted and they blew 30 people away
:11:39. > :11:43.at a Christmas party. This is a tough time in America. We have the
:11:44. > :11:46.same thing going on at a gay bar in Orlando, so that was justified at
:11:47. > :11:52.the time. But to bring up David Duke is ridiculous. It was before
:11:53. > :11:57.Orlando, actually. You wanted to bring in Julianne. Julianne, do you
:11:58. > :12:03.accept that this is a failure I Democrats, that if this is what
:12:04. > :12:10.America has chosen, then Obama's priorities with Cuba and Iran were
:12:11. > :12:15.the wrong ones. Identix that at all. Let me remind everybody that Hillary
:12:16. > :12:20.Clinton did win the popular vote, so this was not to me an indication of
:12:21. > :12:24.a sweeping mandate. I think again when you see the Trump team settle
:12:25. > :12:28.into their seats, just wait. We can have this conversation in a couple
:12:29. > :12:31.of months. They will go soft on a lot of these things. They will
:12:32. > :12:36.understand the benefits we get from our Iran deal, our friends in Israel
:12:37. > :12:41.and abroad and why they support the Iran deal, why it makes us safer.
:12:42. > :12:45.They will deal with the complexities of China active in the South China
:12:46. > :12:48.Sea, a resurgent Russia aggressively trying to divide Europe from the
:12:49. > :12:53.United States. When they are faced with this very Comdex agenda, I have
:12:54. > :12:58.a feeling you are going to CH Ainge intone. Look at what we have seen
:12:59. > :13:03.already since the election. There has been a tremendous softening
:13:04. > :13:08.opposition. John? There is no softening of position whatsoever. He
:13:09. > :13:14.is going to build a wall just like he said he is going to do. Now he is
:13:15. > :13:21.saying a fence. It is going to be a wall! You can read into anything you
:13:22. > :13:26.want. He hasn't been in office yet. If you look at the number of people
:13:27. > :13:32.that he has nominated or appointed to key staff positions, they are
:13:33. > :13:36.wholly consistent with his position. What you are doing in his Washington
:13:37. > :13:40.elite doublespeak, that is what people rejected, that somehow this
:13:41. > :13:47.is complex. One last question to both of you. Do you think America's
:13:48. > :13:50.allies need now to be concerned about the kind of world we are
:13:51. > :13:57.entering and whether we will remain allies in it? Julianne? Yes, they
:13:58. > :14:00.should be worried. They should be worried that you have a president
:14:01. > :14:05.coming into office who is questioning the overarching value of
:14:06. > :14:07.our global network of alliances. Russia and China wished they had a
:14:08. > :14:12.network of alliances and partners like we did, and guess what, when we
:14:13. > :14:17.are in the soup, the first people we call our our allies in Europe. For
:14:18. > :14:20.Donald Trump to call into question the Nato alliance is unbelievable,
:14:21. > :14:23.and I think our allies, particularly in Europe also other corners of the
:14:24. > :14:28.world, should be very concerned by his comments on nuclear
:14:29. > :14:33.nonproliferation, the way in which he is waving around America First.
:14:34. > :14:38.It is an unbelievable stance to take on Nato, John? I think eventually
:14:39. > :14:43.our allies across the globe are going to understand what a
:14:44. > :14:48.compelling president this is going to be. He is going to put America
:14:49. > :14:55.first in everything he does, and that will be a little bit different.
:14:56. > :14:58.Nato was constructed when we had the Iron Curtain, it is outdated and
:14:59. > :15:02.needs to be restructured. People that are not paying their share
:15:03. > :15:08.should be paying their fair share, that is the way the world works. I
:15:09. > :15:14.think Donald Trump is going to look for alliances that make sense. He is
:15:15. > :15:17.going to wipe out ices, and I think the allies are going to look at him
:15:18. > :15:20.as a beacon of freedom for the world. We will have to come back to
:15:21. > :15:21.you both at some point. Thank you both very much indeed for joining
:15:22. > :15:25.us. It was in her first
:15:26. > :15:27.speech as Prime Minister on the steps of Downing Street back
:15:28. > :15:30.in July that Theresa May turned her focus on an economic
:15:31. > :15:32.group she referred to those people But that, in the age of Twitter,
:15:33. > :15:36.wasn't short enough And with the reudctionist speed
:15:37. > :15:39.of a Thick Of It satire, the phrase got sliced
:15:40. > :15:42.to three letters, or Jam. All politicians have attempted
:15:43. > :15:45.to speak to this demographic - alarm clock Britain, the scrimpers
:15:46. > :15:47.and savers, squeezed middle - the ten million or so adults
:15:48. > :15:50.who make up a good proportion So does the Jam grouping
:15:51. > :15:53.mean anything different? Ahead of next week's Autumn
:15:54. > :15:59.statement, the first big set piece test of the Government's policies
:16:00. > :16:01.post the Brexit vote, we ask what capacity the Government
:16:02. > :16:20.actually has to spend. # Pump up the jam #.
:16:21. > :16:24.Theresa May told us who she was for even before she told us what you was
:16:25. > :16:27.going to do. You have a job but you don't always have job security. You
:16:28. > :16:31.have your own home but you worry about paying the mortgage. You can
:16:32. > :16:36.just about manage but you worry about the cost of living and getting
:16:37. > :16:40.your kids into a good school. The government I lead will be driven not
:16:41. > :16:46.by the interests of the privileged few, but by jewels. We will do
:16:47. > :16:49.everything we can to give you more control over your lives. -- but by
:16:50. > :16:56.jewels. Just about managing rapidly became
:16:57. > :17:00.known as the jams. They are only the latest expression of a common
:17:01. > :17:06.political theme. In the US presidential elections we've had
:17:07. > :17:10.forgotten Americans. At the last UK election we had Ed Miliband's
:17:11. > :17:15.squeezed middle. And what ever happened to Nick Clegg's alarm clock
:17:16. > :17:18.Britain? And when he was Prime Minister Gordon Brown could not open
:17:19. > :17:23.his mouth without the words hard-working families come tumbling
:17:24. > :17:28.out. But does any of this mean anything beyond politicians trying
:17:29. > :17:32.to get sweet with swing voters? There is certainly a good reason why
:17:33. > :17:36.the government is appealing to just managing families, these low-income
:17:37. > :17:39.working families. A combination of the effects of the economic
:17:40. > :17:45.downturn. And particularly large increases in housing costs mean the
:17:46. > :17:50.disposable ink runs in this group haven't risen over a decade. --
:17:51. > :17:53.disposable incomes. This group is right to feel the government should
:17:54. > :17:57.be doing something about them. And the government is right to appeal to
:17:58. > :18:05.them. How do we engage with this demographic? First is finding out
:18:06. > :18:11.who we are talking about... This has been brilliantly satirised by The
:18:12. > :18:17.Thick Of It. They are normal citizens but they have one specific
:18:18. > :18:24.quality that makes them like that. The quiet back people. The quiet
:18:25. > :18:30.that people? That is the general area we are looking at. Unlike the
:18:31. > :18:35.quiet at people are just about managing have been making a lot of
:18:36. > :18:40.noise politically during 2016. There is a huge body of people. They are
:18:41. > :18:45.overwhelmingly the people who chose to leave the EU. Their equivalents
:18:46. > :18:53.in the US voted for Donald Trump in large numbers. Who are in work. Few
:18:54. > :18:56.areas -- in areas which were once industrial and have now declined.
:18:57. > :19:00.They are struggling. They are trying very hard but not getting much of
:19:01. > :19:04.the social product. The desire on the part of the Theresa May
:19:05. > :19:08.government to try and twist the reward towards them a little is
:19:09. > :19:11.sincere. It is excruciatingly difficult to
:19:12. > :19:14.achieve. Next week's Autumn Statement is when
:19:15. > :19:21.we have been told that the government will start delivering for
:19:22. > :19:25.the JAMs. But it is expected the Chancellor will have to win out an
:19:26. > :19:31.extra ?100 billion of borrowing for the coming five years. So what could
:19:32. > :19:35.Philip Hammond do? The previous Chancellor has taken money out of in
:19:36. > :19:38.work benefits which go to working families. Lots of the just managing
:19:39. > :19:46.are on these benefits and restoring some of those cuts at a cost of
:19:47. > :19:49.around ?3 billion would be really targeted to the just managing. It
:19:50. > :19:55.would boost incomes around the bottom half of the distribution. For
:19:56. > :20:00.single parents after about ?3000 per year. Of things could be done for
:20:01. > :20:03.them in next week's Autumn Statement as well as the longer term things
:20:04. > :20:10.like infrastructure and investment which will really help them. Pumping
:20:11. > :20:14.up the just about managing in speeches is simple. After rule, jam
:20:15. > :20:19.tomorrow is the easiest political promise varies. But actually helping
:20:20. > :20:22.this group, especially these more difficult economic times, looks like
:20:23. > :20:25.a far stickier problem. And we have our own late-night
:20:26. > :20:40.quirk. I want to start with something
:20:41. > :20:44.dishonest reporting. We haven't had confirmation. But it is a freeze in
:20:45. > :20:54.fuel duty which was meant to come in next year. -- I want to start with
:20:55. > :21:00.something The Sun is reporting. I'm not surprised. Every time that has
:21:01. > :21:03.come up it is monumentally expensive, by the way, because the
:21:04. > :21:07.Treasury bills into their forecast that they will receive revenue that
:21:08. > :21:14.they will have to then freeze and not get. It is very unpopular and
:21:15. > :21:17.very expensive to raise fuel prices. People use it to get to work.
:21:18. > :21:22.Previous governments have wanted to do that and bowed out at the last
:21:23. > :21:26.minute thinking if we do that it will be immediate and unpopular so
:21:27. > :21:30.they don't. We know this group of people, whether they are the
:21:31. > :21:33.squeezed middle, the alarm clock Britain, we've been through the
:21:34. > :21:37.names, do you hear anything different this time? Is there
:21:38. > :21:41.something concrete you would change in this Autumn Statement? I don't
:21:42. > :21:45.think I'm hearing much difference. The political strategy seems to be
:21:46. > :21:51.the one that has gone before, which is slogans rather than actual
:21:52. > :21:54.solutions. So these just about managing people, two practical
:21:55. > :21:58.things I'd like to see happen in the Autumn Statement, which I think
:21:59. > :22:03.would help people, childcare is something which is a huge issue. The
:22:04. > :22:06.government hadn't been able to make good on their promise of 30 hours of
:22:07. > :22:10.childcare. I would like to see something tangible on that. As well
:22:11. > :22:19.as high-quality nursery supervision. And at the other rendered the family
:22:20. > :22:23.-- at the other end of the family spectrum, money needs to go to
:22:24. > :22:26.elderly care. Money has been cut from social care. These are
:22:27. > :22:29.practical things the government should be thinking about. They are
:22:30. > :22:33.trying to position themselves away from Cameron. If I were them I
:22:34. > :22:40.wouldn't go ahead with this cut inheritance tax, either. It's a
:22:41. > :22:45.credible wish list. Essentially, is there any capacity, in a post Brexit
:22:46. > :22:50.vote world, with the OBR predictions as they are, to do anything? We are
:22:51. > :22:54.talking about what the state can do for those people. In the long term
:22:55. > :22:57.the only possible solution for the middle of the country cannot be
:22:58. > :23:00.redistribution. Because who will pay for that? It'll be the middle. They
:23:01. > :23:07.cannot redistribute money to themselves. They could use their
:23:08. > :23:11.priorities like the inheritance tax. You can have certain changes. At the
:23:12. > :23:16.margin you can do that. You want to try and lift the income of those
:23:17. > :23:19.people by helping them add value to the economy. That means you've got
:23:20. > :23:24.to make the industrial strategy work. You've got to make places
:23:25. > :23:28.outside London... Britain has one big city. If you have one big city
:23:29. > :23:33.the people in it will do OK. So that means growth not welfare? It does
:23:34. > :23:37.not mean I'm not in favour of welfare. I think the longer term
:23:38. > :23:41.drive needs to be about growth. Because they are a new
:23:42. > :23:45.Administration I think the tone is really important. Take the welfare
:23:46. > :23:49.issue. The cuts coming down the track on universal credit are going
:23:50. > :23:54.to hurt as the woman in your BT said. People who are really trying
:23:55. > :24:01.to do the right thing, you know, the hard-working families playing by the
:24:02. > :24:06.rules. -- in your VT. The Tories are really vulnerable on this. We cannot
:24:07. > :24:10.say at the same time, for me for example, an important issue for me
:24:11. > :24:13.is court 's rights. People having the right to take their case to
:24:14. > :24:20.court. We've also seen that the NHS is under strain. Also we cannot
:24:21. > :24:24.spend money on everything. It cannot be our solution to say each time
:24:25. > :24:29.this is too painful, we can't make it, because we are borrowing too
:24:30. > :24:33.much money. I think now after Brexit things will grow slower over the
:24:34. > :24:37.medium term to a point where we are borrowing even more money. Surely
:24:38. > :24:41.benefit is where the government is going to look most vulnerable. Do
:24:42. > :24:44.you want to represent a government that is cutting... The move towards
:24:45. > :24:53.increasing the living wage was the right thing to do. I don't think you
:24:54. > :24:55.can allow the welfare bill to keep increasing. Because we can't afford
:24:56. > :24:58.to do that. Otherwise we have to borrow too much. It's hard to know
:24:59. > :25:06.what you are in favour of. The Labour Party isn't -- is in a
:25:07. > :25:10.difficult position. The Conservatives have changed their
:25:11. > :25:15.economic strategy. They admit they have not hit their target on the
:25:16. > :25:21.deficit. Going back to the stuff we have heard tonight so far, you know,
:25:22. > :25:25.Trump, Brexit, the dissatisfaction that everyday people feel, that
:25:26. > :25:28.their lives are not getting any better, this is a new
:25:29. > :25:35.Administration, a clean sweep. And I think signals are important. Thus
:25:36. > :25:39.Philip Hammond have to be any thing other than boring? None of this
:25:40. > :25:42.creates new money. If we are borrowing a large sum of money at
:25:43. > :25:46.the end we will have to pay that back. We will have to reduce the
:25:47. > :25:51.amount we are borrowing by a certain amount each year. What is your
:25:52. > :25:55.opinion? If we depart from that path it'll only be for a short period and
:25:56. > :25:59.we will have to get back to it... You have Brexit as a backdrop. Even
:26:00. > :26:03.Philip Hammond said nobody voted to be poor. They have to care about
:26:04. > :26:05.those people and make sure they do not send the wrong message. Thank
:26:06. > :26:07.you both very much. Let's go back to the election
:26:08. > :26:10.of Donald Trump now. Historians will try and deconstruct
:26:11. > :26:12.this moment of 2016 But when they look at Trump's
:26:13. > :26:15.successful campaign A builder convinced
:26:16. > :26:19.he was a man of the people? Or a celebrity who harnessed his
:26:20. > :26:23.fame to win the ultimate Perhaps when the dust has settled
:26:24. > :26:27.we will realise something as phenomenal as it is shocking,
:26:28. > :26:29.that in 2016 celebrity finally became the most
:26:30. > :26:33.powerful tool of all. Prized above experience,
:26:34. > :26:34.prized above competence, prized above just about everything
:26:35. > :26:41.you can imagine. Donald Trump harnessed reality TV
:26:42. > :26:43.and then the media - And through that,
:26:44. > :26:46.the White House itself. Stephen Smith has been off
:26:47. > :27:07.to question the very model # I love the looks of you
:27:08. > :27:10.# I'd love to make a... #. They are getting the President-elect
:27:11. > :27:24.ready for his close-up at Madame Tussaud's. Fun fact, his luxurious
:27:25. > :27:28.hair is sourced from yak's hair. We like celebrities so much we will
:27:29. > :27:38.queue in the cold just for a selfie with their effigies. Like the tasty
:27:39. > :27:45.snacks in a gift shop, Donald Trump was the guilty pleasure boaters
:27:46. > :27:48.could not say no to. -- voters. When it came to celebrities, Donald Trump
:27:49. > :27:54.made a virtue of the fact that hardly anybody wants to be seen with
:27:55. > :27:58.him. Did he even get his chauffeur's vote? I'm Donald Trump and I'm
:27:59. > :28:04.always on the lookout for talented people. I'm looking for someone who
:28:05. > :28:11.is a natural leader. Perhaps the -- he clinched victory through TV. The
:28:12. > :28:15.celebrity reckoned it helped. Why do you think he won? The assumption was
:28:16. > :28:20.he probably wouldn't in the end. Hillary Clinton had all of the
:28:21. > :28:24.experience, she had all of the various celebrities backing her for
:28:25. > :28:28.what that's worth. I can comment on something I am sort of an expert at.
:28:29. > :28:32.Donald Trump is much better on camera. He is really good at
:28:33. > :28:40.delivering lines. I supported Hillary. But she is not as talented
:28:41. > :28:43.a performer. You think that was decisive? I think actually every
:28:44. > :28:49.time in the presidential elections the winner is whoever is best at
:28:50. > :28:54.delivering lines on camera. So it probably wasn't as much of a
:28:55. > :29:00.surprise to you than it was to other people? It was a surprise. I thought
:29:01. > :29:06.something would break this time. Ladies and gentlemen, the next, and
:29:07. > :29:13.first female president of the United States, Hillary Clinton! No, there
:29:14. > :29:18.has not been a recount, why didn't Mrs Clinton's Star supporters like
:29:19. > :29:23.Jennifer Lopez help her over the line? Academics are doubtful about
:29:24. > :29:27.the impact of celebrity endorsement. Even though Mrs Clinton did trot out
:29:28. > :29:31.all of those celebrities, they were essentially windowdressing for her
:29:32. > :29:36.campaign. They were not going to be the ones who were actually in
:29:37. > :29:41.contention to run the government. So I think when all said and done,
:29:42. > :29:46.Donald found himself acting as if he was in the ultimate reality TV show.
:29:47. > :29:53.And using all of the techniques he has honed over the years on all of
:29:54. > :29:58.those years on The Apprentice. At Madame Tussaud's and they keep their
:29:59. > :30:02.TV stores that their outpost in Blackpool and their world leaders
:30:03. > :30:07.and politicians here in London. While they might need to review
:30:08. > :30:10.their display criteria now Donald Trump is waxed spectacular.
:30:11. > :30:12.Stephen Smith - and his full interview with actor
:30:13. > :30:14.Joseph Gordon Levitt, talking about the film Snowden
:30:15. > :30:20.That's just about it from us tonight, save for the fact that
:30:21. > :30:23.today marks the 100th anniversary of the end of the Battle
:30:24. > :30:25.of the Somme, the six month inferno which was bloodier for British
:30:26. > :30:29.troops than any other of the First World War.
:30:30. > :30:32.By its end more than 420,000 British soldiers lay dead, wounded
:30:33. > :30:37.or missing with only six miles of land seized from the enemy.
:30:38. > :30:40.In 2014 a treasure trove of photographs, taken of troops
:30:41. > :30:43.on their days off at a local town, was discovered.
:30:44. > :30:46.There they paid a few Francs to send a photo home to their loved ones,
:30:47. > :30:50.documented in Ross Coulthard's "The Lost Tommies".
:30:51. > :30:54.We leave you with just a few of those images.