:00:07. > :00:08.They argued about the common market after the 1975 referendum.
:00:09. > :00:11.Are you suggesting that from now on, you and others who feel
:00:12. > :00:14.like you should continue a Parliamentary struggle to get
:00:15. > :00:23.And the arguments continue after the June vote as well.
:00:24. > :00:24.Experts and economics have continued to divide opinion
:00:25. > :00:32.A former Chancellor and one of his former advisors
:00:33. > :00:37.are on different sides of the debate.
:00:38. > :00:39.As the scandal over child sex abuse within football escalates,
:00:40. > :00:42.we ask whether football's governing body did enough to
:00:43. > :00:48.Also tonight, Erdogan overcame the coup in Turkey months ago.
:00:49. > :00:50.But his purge of public servants continues.
:00:51. > :00:54.We hear from one man caught up in it.
:00:55. > :00:58.So they accused you of being a Gulenist simply on the strength
:00:59. > :01:03.of finding one book by him in your university office?
:01:04. > :01:09.Yes, I mean, that's the only evidence they can talk of.
:01:10. > :01:12.And tomorrow is the 40th birthday of this...
:01:13. > :01:15.# We're so pretty, Oh, so pretty
:01:16. > :01:29.Has punk gone all establishment on us?
:01:30. > :01:33.One prediction made before June was that our Brexit referendum
:01:34. > :01:36.It's one of the predictions that has come true.
:01:37. > :01:39.Sir John Major and Tony Blair have both weighed into the debate,
:01:40. > :01:43.suggesting that there may sometime be a second referendum.
:01:44. > :01:46.Brexiteers, meanwhile, have rejoiced at good economic news
:01:47. > :01:51.that they say defies the doom-laden predictions of experts.
:01:52. > :01:56.Business investment grew in the months after the referendum.
:01:57. > :01:59.The experts had expected it to shrink as companies
:02:00. > :02:05.And on this Black Friday, it is right to point out that
:02:06. > :02:07.consumer spending has been holding up, too.
:02:08. > :02:10.At the end of this Autumn Statement week, is it game over?
:02:11. > :02:21.Time for re-moaners to get back in their box?
:02:22. > :02:28.List of the claims about Brexit, and there were many, concerned the
:02:29. > :02:32.long-term effects. -- most of it. Sorry to say we know nothing more
:02:33. > :02:37.about the long-term effects now than we did back then. But some of the
:02:38. > :02:40.claims did concern the short term. Remember these two? They made some
:02:41. > :02:46.predictions based on expert work at the Treasury. This is what happens
:02:47. > :02:51.if Britain leaves. The economy shrinks, the value of the powder
:02:52. > :02:55.falls, inflation rises, unemployment rises, real wages are hit, as are
:02:56. > :03:03.house prices, and as a result, government borrowing goes up...
:03:04. > :03:07.Let's hear those again. This is what happens if Britain leaves. The
:03:08. > :03:11.economy shrinks. This one really has failed to materialise so far. It
:03:12. > :03:15.does look like being a slowdown next year but far from a recession. This
:03:16. > :03:19.was the most important claim and I think we can declare it on course to
:03:20. > :03:28.be false. But there was another important claim. The value of
:03:29. > :03:32.sterling falls. It is currently down 11% but has been as low as 16. I
:03:33. > :03:38.think we can now declare that one true. Inflation rises... Thanks to
:03:39. > :03:54.the falling sterling, that does look likely... To- to now. House prices
:03:55. > :03:59.are hit... House prices have not shown any sign of falling. Is that
:04:00. > :04:04.where it ends? And as a result, government borrowing goes up. That
:04:05. > :04:08.one is kind of true relative to Budget predictions, but as yet,
:04:09. > :04:16.nothing to do with Brexit. Ignore this one and you have a draw. Oxford
:04:17. > :04:27.Street is buzzing on a Black Friday evening. And that is a Leave win.
:04:28. > :04:30.But it would be silly to deride the forecasters. They know better than
:04:31. > :04:35.anyone because what they do is have an intelligent stab at what we know
:04:36. > :04:39.about the future. They cannot give a precise and definitive guide as to
:04:40. > :04:43.what will happen. The good news we had on business investment today...
:04:44. > :04:47.Don't read too much into one quarter's data.
:04:48. > :04:52.Here's the graph of business investment growth over the last few
:04:53. > :04:56.years. In such an erratic series, would you read much into the little
:04:57. > :05:03.bar on the far right-hand side? For some, that figure, published today,
:05:04. > :05:06.is Brexit is working. You might as well stand on the
:05:07. > :05:12.seashore trying to work out whether the tide is coming or going.
:05:13. > :05:17.Excitedly commenting on each wave as it comes in! No, stop overthinking
:05:18. > :05:19.it, get a cup of tea. We will know in time.
:05:20. > :05:21.Let's talk now to the former Chancellor of
:05:22. > :05:28.And in Cardiff is the Economist Professor Patrick Minford.
:05:29. > :05:35.He was one of the so-called wise men advising Ken Clarke. Ken Clarke,
:05:36. > :05:38.what is your appraisal of the evidence? Do you concede at least
:05:39. > :05:46.some of the more you read fears have failed to materialise and we can
:05:47. > :05:49.relax on those? I didn't campaign on new rich short-term fears, and the
:05:50. > :05:54.truth is that the national media campaigning was pretty silly. Some
:05:55. > :05:59.of the daft things were said on both sides. The other side were
:06:00. > :06:03.concentrating on 77 million Turks coming here and that we tap -- we
:06:04. > :06:07.would have ?350 million a week for the health service if we left. But
:06:08. > :06:12.there is a serious debate. Your piece answered its own question. All
:06:13. > :06:16.this silly day by day commentary on one set of figures going up and
:06:17. > :06:21.down, another company investing or not, that is ridiculous. We haven't
:06:22. > :06:25.even left yet. The question of the referendum was, should we leave? It
:06:26. > :06:34.has hundreds of questions wrapped up in it and we won't really know the
:06:35. > :06:37.economic consequences of Brexit if we do go ahead until we know whether
:06:38. > :06:39.or not we are staying in the single market or the customs unit. This
:06:40. > :06:45.wasn't even discussed during the referendum. Professor Patrick
:06:46. > :06:50.Minford, have you taken heart or do you think it is of no interest at
:06:51. > :06:54.all, because we simply don't know? The evidence since we have the
:06:55. > :06:58.referendum result has been very clear. It is that the economy has
:06:59. > :07:05.been strong. That's the evidence we've got. Unemployment has fallen,
:07:06. > :07:10.employment has been strong. We have indeed had the fall in sterling,
:07:11. > :07:14.which was universally expected, including by our side, and that has
:07:15. > :07:18.stimulated the economy in a help you sort of way and be necessary because
:07:19. > :07:25.we had a big balance of payments deficit. -- a healthy way. So
:07:26. > :07:34.actually the economy has cruised along and has had a 2-3% growth. So
:07:35. > :07:39.we haven't had all these uncertainty effects they talked about... Sorry,
:07:40. > :07:43.quite a few economists said they would be a short-term shock. Gerard
:07:44. > :07:50.Lyons talked about this. There was quite a bit of talk of a short-term
:07:51. > :07:55.shock. So it wasn't just the Remain campaign who said that. So I don't
:07:56. > :08:02.know how you can talk about that when we haven't even made the exit
:08:03. > :08:06.yet. But the uncertainty that was not going to happen and it hasn't
:08:07. > :08:10.happened. If anything we should be positive, because the outlook is
:08:11. > :08:14.either through a clean Brexit, as it is called, where we go to free trade
:08:15. > :08:19.with the rest of the world, which will be a positive, or it is the
:08:20. > :08:23.status quo if you go with a soft Brexit. So the uncertainty effect
:08:24. > :08:29.was always nonsense and we said that. Whereas in the short run there
:08:30. > :08:35.would be a shock. I said it would be neutral and that's exactly what has
:08:36. > :08:40.happened. Ken Clarke, do you think Treasury officials' analysis is
:08:41. > :08:45.subject to what one might call political or cognitive bias that
:08:46. > :08:48.shape the analysis they deliver? Welcome with great respect to
:08:49. > :08:51.Patrick and the tiny number of economists who agreed with him
:08:52. > :08:55.during the referendum, and I have genuine respect for him, as a
:08:56. > :09:03.distinguished economist, but you will -- you must admit you are a bit
:09:04. > :09:11.of a maverick! We get on well. We still do. But the data from the
:09:12. > :09:15.OECD, the Bank of England, they weren't talking about headlines.
:09:16. > :09:19.They are talking about the lasting consequences. At the moment there
:09:20. > :09:25.are some short-term worrying things. A crash in sterling by over 15% at
:09:26. > :09:31.one point is not sort of good news. We've devalued by almost 40% since
:09:32. > :09:35.2006. We still have a terrible balance of trade. We have the worst
:09:36. > :09:38.current account deficit in our history. The economy is still
:09:39. > :09:43.buoyant but consumer debt is rising to very high levels. The background
:09:44. > :09:48.of uncertainty is putting off some investors. You've only got to talk
:09:49. > :09:52.to Japanese, Americans, others looking at this country, and
:09:53. > :09:55.everything depends on what the strategy of the government is going
:09:56. > :10:02.to be. And the key thing in the short term, we're only looking at
:10:03. > :10:07.the economics and trade bit, not our political role in the world, which
:10:08. > :10:11.was based in the EU in the past, but the key thing is, will we keep in
:10:12. > :10:19.the customs union and the single market? Because it help the economy
:10:20. > :10:23.to not have access. Your predictions and forecasts, and you do make those
:10:24. > :10:30.as an economist, Patrick, you are predicting the stock market will be
:10:31. > :10:35.from 6500 up to one -- 11,000 any year's time, which is an
:10:36. > :10:40.extraordinary assessment! I'm not looking to invest! Would you say
:10:41. > :10:44.your mindset shapes your forecast? Not at all. We did an analysis of
:10:45. > :10:49.the long-term trade effects of going to a free market. Everybody knows
:10:50. > :10:56.free trade with the world and a lot of countries, with agreements, and
:10:57. > :11:01.free trade setting no tariffs if we possibly can against the EU, that is
:11:02. > :11:07.good for the economy, so we did our basic analysis on the long-term
:11:08. > :11:11.prospects of free trade and less regulation. Our own regulation. And
:11:12. > :11:14.our control of unskilled immigration, which cost us a lot of
:11:15. > :11:22.money, because of the welfare costs from the EU. Let me just say this,
:11:23. > :11:26.Evan. You've got to listen! We did this analysis of these long-term
:11:27. > :11:31.things and we also did the analysis of the uncertainty effect, and we
:11:32. > :11:35.said all that stuff about the recession said by George Osborne was
:11:36. > :11:39.nonsense. There hasn't been a recession. You are right about the
:11:40. > :11:42.long-term. It hasn't yet happened. But things like the office the
:11:43. > :11:47.budget responsibility said investment will be hit but it is not
:11:48. > :11:52.being hit. And nor is consumer spending. We've got to move on but I
:11:53. > :12:00.definitely want to talk to you in a year's time. I will be delighted to
:12:01. > :12:06.do so! Can I not come back after the result? He's busted you out. Well,
:12:07. > :12:09.that is Patrick! Thank you both to you.
:12:10. > :12:11.Allegations of historical child sex abuse within football
:12:12. > :12:13.are now being investigated by four police forces.
:12:14. > :12:15.This comes after four former footballers gave emotional testimony
:12:16. > :12:17.on the Victoria Derbyshire Show this morning about their experience
:12:18. > :12:20.of being abused as children by ex-Crewe Alexandra coach Barry
:12:21. > :12:27.Let's hear a clip of two of them, Chris Unsworth and Andy Woodward.
:12:28. > :12:29.I don't know if I'm that strong, I don't know.
:12:30. > :12:32.Deep down I don't think I am but I'm now...
:12:33. > :12:36.I'm a funeral director, I see lots of horrible things,
:12:37. > :12:38.so that's probably made me a little bit stronger than
:12:39. > :12:48.I love Andy to bits and I'm here because of him.
:12:49. > :12:51.Andy, you've done a quite remarkable thing, you know?
:12:52. > :13:00.Last week I was on here, I was on my own, and I was
:13:01. > :13:05.so scared, but I knew that they were here.
:13:06. > :13:08.And tonight The Guardian is reporting that Crewe Alexandra
:13:09. > :13:11.directors were warned about similar allegations against Mr Bennell
:13:12. > :13:14.but allowed him to remain at the club for a number of years,
:13:15. > :13:16.despite the club's chairman at the time calling
:13:17. > :13:20.Let's talk now to Mark Palios, Chief Executive of the Football
:13:21. > :13:26.He himself was a professional footballer for Crewe Alexandra
:13:27. > :13:27.in the early '80s, before Barry Bennell's
:13:28. > :13:40.A very good evening to you. So you weren't there when Bennell was
:13:41. > :13:45.there. Did you ever hear intimations, gossip about him? Did
:13:46. > :13:51.the grapevine ever send any signal that way to you? No. There was
:13:52. > :13:57.absolutely no indication that this was a problem or an issue. Right
:13:58. > :14:00.through my entire career. And I've spent 17 years with professional
:14:01. > :14:06.football clubs. I never came across this as an issue. But as I said, in
:14:07. > :14:13.previous interviews, I think one has two except that... I don't think
:14:14. > :14:17.there was a cover-up but it is a very match a culture in professional
:14:18. > :14:21.football. As a consequence, I think it was difficult for people to
:14:22. > :14:26.surface issues, just as it has been done in the past week or so. So the
:14:27. > :14:30.victims of this he felt they may be didn't want to say anything for all
:14:31. > :14:37.the reasons we've known in the past. Victims have stayed quiet. Hamilton
:14:38. > :14:41.Smith, the director in the late 80s, he has spoken to The Guardian and he
:14:42. > :14:45.had alerted the directors. He knew reports of things that had going on
:14:46. > :14:49.-- been going on and he sat them down and said, what are we going to
:14:50. > :14:53.do about this? And that would imply... Well, what else would you
:14:54. > :14:59.call it other than a cover-up if no action was taken but certainly the
:15:00. > :15:04.man wasn't dismissed and police weren't called. What would you call
:15:05. > :15:07.that? I can't speak for the directors and how they addressed it
:15:08. > :15:11.at the time but it is interesting. We are looking at something that
:15:12. > :15:15.happened about 30 years ago. And if you were looking at society today, I
:15:16. > :15:21.think there's a different attitude and a different view and culture.
:15:22. > :15:25.Outside of football I think it's easier to sort of surface things
:15:26. > :15:31.like this. And what it does, it points you in a direction of looking
:15:32. > :15:35.at, what do you do with this? And the conclusion that people may well
:15:36. > :15:41.come to as a consequence of this is that a time whereby it becomes an
:15:42. > :15:44.offence if you don't raise the issue, if you don't whistle blow
:15:45. > :15:48.once you have serious concerns raising an individual. There is a
:15:49. > :15:52.duty to report it so at least it can be investigated. Because to be quite
:15:53. > :15:57.honest, one child being abused in this society is one child to many,
:15:58. > :16:00.and maybe that is something society wants to say, not just in football
:16:01. > :16:07.but across all sports and all organisations. When you went to the
:16:08. > :16:09.FA, how much of a preoccupation and issue was this? How or where were
:16:10. > :16:18.you of this being an issue? It wasn't, it wasn't massively on
:16:19. > :16:22.the agenda of issues which were brought to my attention at the time.
:16:23. > :16:26.The commission as I understand that was ongoing in the background, a
:16:27. > :16:31.combination of both the FA, I think the Premier League and the PFA were
:16:32. > :16:36.looking at child abuse and as a consequence of that commission later
:16:37. > :16:40.on I think they put in place a system of comprehensive proposals
:16:41. > :16:45.and regulations around how academies ran, for example. But it wasn't a
:16:46. > :16:50.massive issue for me on a day-to-day basis. Hamilton Smith, again, the
:16:51. > :16:55.Crewe Alexandra director, said in 2001 he went to the FA, the child
:16:56. > :17:00.protection officer there and said he was worried about how much Barry
:17:01. > :17:03.Bennell had been up to and thought there should be some investigation
:17:04. > :17:07.and he was really given the brush off. He was told after a lapse of
:17:08. > :17:13.time, he was told we have investigated this and there is
:17:14. > :17:17.nothing to see. That does imply that the FA was at least complacent
:17:18. > :17:21.doesn't it? I think society was complacent at the time. I am not
:17:22. > :17:24.justifying, I don't know the issue, I don't know the incident but I
:17:25. > :17:28.would suggest you have to look at it in the context of what was going on
:17:29. > :17:33.in this country at the time and maybe there was a complacency that
:17:34. > :17:37.wasn't warranted but that is what the situation was. I think
:17:38. > :17:40.subsequent to that, one has to look at what has happened since and the
:17:41. > :17:50.standards and regulations around how you deal with children have
:17:51. > :17:53.significantly been tightened. For example, if an individual is
:17:54. > :17:57.injured, a child is injured, you would not take him in a car on your
:17:58. > :18:01.own as a coach back to the copper treatment, they would be at least
:18:02. > :18:06.two you would take him in a group, if it was not serious you would take
:18:07. > :18:10.them in a group back to the whole issue of putting yourself at risk,
:18:11. > :18:17.of putting yourself in risk of an allegation being falsely made
:18:18. > :18:20.against you has been address. That is something which has been
:18:21. > :18:24.tightened since the 1990s, the 1980s et. Mark Palios, thank you for
:18:25. > :18:26.talking to us. Thanks. Relations between Turkey
:18:27. > :18:29.and the EU were fraught before Turkish President Erdogan today
:18:30. > :18:37.threatened to re-allow migrants to cross over into Greece
:18:38. > :18:39.and western Europe, knowing the trouble that would cause;
:18:40. > :18:41.that was after the European Parliament voted to recommend that
:18:42. > :18:43.talks on EU membership But the international position
:18:44. > :18:47.is nothing as to what is happening Since the coup, 125,000
:18:48. > :18:52.public employees have It is a very different
:18:53. > :18:54.kind of country. Tim Whewell has been to the country
:18:55. > :19:04.to see what the effects are. For one violent, chaotic night
:19:05. > :19:06.this summer Turks defied tanks Now though the hunt
:19:07. > :19:27.for the conspirators has cost more The government says
:19:28. > :19:43.it is cleansing Turkey of a virus. But is it also creating
:19:44. > :19:46.a state of fear? They are trying to
:19:47. > :19:58.eradicate all opposition. What is the real purpose
:19:59. > :20:01.of Turkeys cleansing and has Fethullah Gulen is a 75-year-old
:20:02. > :20:07.Islamic preacher living in self-imposed exile
:20:08. > :20:16.in the United States. He says his aim is simply to promote
:20:17. > :20:20.moderate Islam and education. But the graduates of his many
:20:21. > :20:22.schools formed a powerful But President Erdogan,
:20:23. > :20:31.a former ally of the preacher, claims Gulen actually
:20:32. > :20:40.masterminded the conspiracy. Now the Ministry of Education
:20:41. > :20:42.in Ankara, where many Gulenists worked, is leading the state's
:20:43. > :20:45.efforts to cleanse Turkey Now those alleged infiltrators
:20:46. > :21:31.are being purged. 50,000 were sacked in just one
:21:32. > :21:40.decree published online. On the list are teachers
:21:41. > :21:43.and academics like this history It is profession after profession
:21:44. > :21:51.basically, so many areas of The list just goes
:21:52. > :22:05.on and on and on and on. Associate Professor,
:22:06. > :22:21.Department of history. Now he is an ex-associate professor
:22:22. > :22:26.and his life has fallen apart. Under investigation for links
:22:27. > :22:31.to Gulen he cannot travel abroad, access his own bank account or get
:22:32. > :22:34.any other academic job. A few days before a friend of mine
:22:35. > :22:45.had seen that book in my office and told me, remove this book,
:22:46. > :22:50.nowadays it's dangerous. I told him, that is ridiculous,
:22:51. > :22:54.I am an academic. To make it even more ridiculous,
:22:55. > :22:57.he says, he was using quotations from the book
:22:58. > :23:01.to tweet against Gulen. You can just search my name
:23:02. > :23:05.and Fethullah Gulen on Twitter and you can see,
:23:06. > :23:09.they are from two years ago. He thinks Gulen is a
:23:10. > :23:14.dangerous extremist. I have underlined his words,
:23:15. > :23:16.apostasy in Islam is So they accused you of being
:23:17. > :23:25.a Gulenist simply on the strength of finding one book
:23:26. > :23:27.by him in your I mean, that's the only
:23:28. > :23:35.evidence they can talk of. Isn't there a real atmosphere
:23:36. > :23:40.of fear now in the country? People looking over their shoulder
:23:41. > :23:44.all the time, saying am I about to be denounced
:23:45. > :23:46.simply in order to settle Teachers or others who say they have
:23:47. > :24:17.been wrongly accused can now apply to special
:24:18. > :24:20.government complaint centres. But the state does not expect that
:24:21. > :24:24.many people will be reinstated. Certainly not the 28,000 state
:24:25. > :24:26.school teachers who were purged There is no such evidence
:24:27. > :25:08.against the history lecturer, but he does not think he'll
:25:09. > :25:12.get his job back any time soon. Nowadays everyone is afraid of one
:25:13. > :25:15.day becoming a Gulenist, You don't need evidence and those
:25:16. > :25:21.processes may take years. And you can watch the Our World
:25:22. > :25:30.documentary "Cleansing Turkey" tomorrow and Sunday
:25:31. > :25:33.on the News Channel at 9.30pm Tomorrow's the 40th
:25:34. > :25:40.anniversary of the Sex Pistols You can all hum the words I'm sure;
:25:41. > :25:46."Don't know what I want, But I know how to get it,
:25:47. > :25:49.I want to destroy the passerby" - surely as relevant as ever
:25:50. > :25:52.to the UK experience. But since then, punk
:25:53. > :25:54.has lost its edge - The son of pioneers Malcolm McLaren
:25:55. > :26:01.and Vivienne Westwood, hitherto best known for his underwear shops,
:26:02. > :26:05.is burning his memorabilia tomorrow, in protest
:26:06. > :26:09.at the de-punking of the form. A lot has been said about the elite
:26:10. > :26:13.this year, but it is funny to think the punks are now the insiders
:26:14. > :26:16.and true rebels this year look more Our own post punk cultural
:26:17. > :26:35.commentator is Stephen Smith. This is how Jeremy Vine and the new
:26:36. > :26:40.look Crimewatch covered it. Over the last 12 months punk rock has become
:26:41. > :26:45.almost a battle cry in British society, for many people it's a
:26:46. > :26:47.bigger threat to our way of life than Russian communism or
:26:48. > :26:54.hyperinflation and it certainly develops more excitement than either
:26:55. > :26:57.of those. From Pastor John Cooper for instance who sees punk as
:26:58. > :27:00.degenerate and evil and from city councillors in London, Glasgow,
:27:01. > :27:15.Birmingham. We beat on, boats against the
:27:16. > :27:20.current, born back ceaselessly into the past on a tide of the nostalgia
:27:21. > :27:24.and spittle. # We are so pretty
:27:25. > :27:29.# Also pretty # We are a vacant
:27:30. > :27:35.# We are so pretty # We are so pretty
:27:36. > :27:47.# Vacant and Warwick. Malcolm McLaren was the spend alley of punk
:27:48. > :27:50.and Vivienne Westwood. But there son says he is setting fire to
:27:51. > :27:56.memorabilia worse millions because Punt is dead and worse has sold out.
:27:57. > :28:02.What would his dad think? With regards to lobbyist takeover of punk
:28:03. > :28:08.rock by the corporate sector and the whole idea that the establishment
:28:09. > :28:14.now owns this as part of the scene that we are going to start calling
:28:15. > :28:20.London, I think had he been alive he would have taken this opportunity to
:28:21. > :28:23.say something about it. Whether he would have agreed with me to burn a
:28:24. > :28:28.lot of it or not, I think he probably would have done. And I
:28:29. > :28:40.think you would think it was kind of hilarious. Do I buy country life but
:28:41. > :28:44.because it's British? Perhaps he has a point. Johnny Rotten did
:28:45. > :28:51.commercials. Was it hits bar? I can't believe it's not that spot.
:28:52. > :28:58.# We don't want it. But an up-and-coming band who consider
:28:59. > :29:05.themselves latter-day punks say Jon Corre has got his knickers in a
:29:06. > :29:10.twist. Stand-by for a punky three chord graphic. What he is doing has
:29:11. > :29:15.been done in a more profound way by the EPLF who burned ?1 million. He
:29:16. > :29:19.is just this sort of privileged man who has come to own all these
:29:20. > :29:24.possessions because of who his parents are. I don't think you
:29:25. > :29:28.should just burn our history. If it's in museums it's there to
:29:29. > :29:30.inspire and influence other people rather than just be, you don't
:29:31. > :29:46.achieve anything by burning it. But destroying artefacts has a
:29:47. > :29:54.certain pedigree. Artist Michael Landy put all his possessions to
:29:55. > :29:59.mangle. So is Jon Corre's act in that situation? Punk always embraces
:30:00. > :30:04.in some way commercials and stunts which is seen as destroying a
:30:05. > :30:09.spectacular or maybe a hoax, we will see. But it's not the spirit of punk
:30:10. > :30:14.because punk is very creative and was a gateway for a whole load of
:30:15. > :30:16.people in the mid-70s to get involved in music, fashion,
:30:17. > :30:25.journalism or any other kind of outlet of energy.
:30:26. > :30:32.Like his old man, this former owner of a lingerie chain is a bit of a
:30:33. > :30:36.provocative. And some believe his bonfire of punk will yet turn out to
:30:37. > :30:41.be no more than a tease. A storm in a teacup.
:30:42. > :30:45.That's all we have time for. I will be back on Monday. Have a good
:30:46. > :30:59.weekend. Good night. A lot of dry weather through this
:31:00. > :31:03.weekend, that the easy bit, a lot of variety also in the weather across
:31:04. > :31:04.various parts of the country, thick