:00:08. > :00:14.I would like there to be some kind of high earnings cap, quite
:00:15. > :00:19.honestly. You could set a limit on top pay. I think it is probably
:00:20. > :00:23.better to look at the ratio issue. Jeremy Corbyn started the day with a
:00:24. > :00:26.surprising new policy, and this afternoon, it was dead in the water.
:00:27. > :00:31.This was not even the topic of his big relaunch of which was meant to
:00:32. > :00:34.be about freedom of movement. We will ask one of his closest
:00:35. > :00:36.lieutenants what he actually means. Also tonight:
:00:37. > :00:39.Jared is a very successful real estate person, but I actually think
:00:40. > :00:43.he likes politics more than he likes real estate.
:00:44. > :00:53.So it seems. Meet 36-year-old Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son-in-law
:00:54. > :00:56.and confident, soon to be top White House adviser. Who is he bring to
:00:57. > :00:59.bear. And remember this? Governor Tarkin, I should have
:01:00. > :01:09.expected to find you Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher are
:01:10. > :01:12.no longer with us, but that is no obstacle to being a major character
:01:13. > :01:16.in a new Star Wars movie. Will Carrie Fisher now also get digitally
:01:17. > :01:24.resurrected, and would she really want that?
:01:25. > :01:28.It was billed as Jeremy Corbyn's big day - rebooting Labour's approach
:01:29. > :01:30.to Brexit, and specifically it's position on the free
:01:31. > :01:35.Instead he announced a radical new policy for a maximum pay
:01:36. > :01:40.He said that salaries paid to some company
:01:41. > :01:42.bosses and top footballers were "utterly ridiculous."
:01:43. > :01:45.But by the afternoon, after a former advisor to the Labour
:01:46. > :01:48.leader had called it a "lunatic idea," it morphed into
:01:49. > :01:54.But there was still confusion over any policy on free
:01:55. > :01:58.Peterborough was an ideal venue for Mr Corbyn's speech -
:01:59. > :02:00.it's a marginal held by the Conservatives that
:02:01. > :02:07.This is how some people in the town view the Labour leader.
:02:08. > :02:12.He started off backing the Remain campaign and then he switched
:02:13. > :02:17.And now he's sort of trying to backtrack himself and back
:02:18. > :02:28.And as a long supporter of Labour, a few years ago I started to switch
:02:29. > :02:30.because of the way the Brexit campaign was going.
:02:31. > :02:33.Honestly, I don't think he deserves the stick that he gets
:02:34. > :02:37.I think he's quite well rounded and I think he has,
:02:38. > :02:39.like, a lot of respect for mental health issues.
:02:40. > :02:43.Which I think a lot of people don't really get.
:02:44. > :02:49.Well, we're not of his persuasion, but I don't think he's got
:02:50. > :02:54.the character to lead the country, or his party.
:02:55. > :03:00.I think he's talking a lot of sense, to be honest.
:03:01. > :03:04.I just think it's not necessarily that popular at the moment.
:03:05. > :03:10.The Labour leadership is invoking a new strategy to engage with voters
:03:11. > :03:13.and as part of that they hope to emulate some of
:03:14. > :03:24.Here's our political editor Nick Watt.
:03:25. > :03:30.The world is turning its attention to America, and who would have
:03:31. > :03:37.believed that? Jeremy Corbyn, who has spent a lifetime campaigning
:03:38. > :03:43.against US dominance, believes there are lessons for him in Donald
:03:44. > :03:46.Trump's victory. Today we saw Jeremy Corbyn's first outing of the New
:03:47. > :03:50.Year. There was a change of tack on Europe as he said he is no longer
:03:51. > :03:53.wedded to the crew movement of people, then intriguingly, Labour
:03:54. > :03:58.indicated that he may follow some of Donald Trump's tactics in reaching
:03:59. > :04:05.out directly to voters as an insurgent. Jeremy Corbyn is not
:04:06. > :04:09.exactly America's number one fan. It seems highly unlikely we will see
:04:10. > :04:13.him here any time soon, and he profoundly disagrees with Donald
:04:14. > :04:17.Trump's outpourings on Twitter, but he does believe that the incoming
:04:18. > :04:21.president has captured ways of communicating on social media that
:04:22. > :04:24.are highly effective for an insurgent. Newsnight understands
:04:25. > :04:30.that having seen off that second leadership challenge, Jeremy Corbyn
:04:31. > :04:34.now believes the time has come to rekindle that spirit as an
:04:35. > :04:42.antiestablishment candidate on social media. To my mind, Mr Trump
:04:43. > :04:47.is a racist, and a misogynist, and a pretty bad thing in the world, but I
:04:48. > :04:52.am smart enough to know that he has spoken to a lot of people very
:04:53. > :04:57.directly, and he has spoken to their concerns. He's offered the wrong
:04:58. > :05:02.recipe, and he's played on those concerns. I want to listen to those
:05:03. > :05:06.concerns, as does Jeremy Corbyn, but sell a different message. He is
:05:07. > :05:08.certainly the man for us, because he appears on the sofa...
:05:09. > :05:13.The leadership has decided that Jeremy Corbyn should devote less
:05:14. > :05:16.time to the written press and more time to live interviews on
:05:17. > :05:20.television and radio. They admit it can't go wrong but say that live
:05:21. > :05:23.broadcasting allows leaders to speak more directly to voters. And then
:05:24. > :05:32.there are the Donald Trump lessons from twitter. Expect a modern
:05:33. > :05:36.version of Labour's rebuttal unit. One politician who blazed a trail
:05:37. > :05:44.for leaders speaking directly to voters has mixed feelings. I don't
:05:45. > :05:50.think I've got any lessons to teach anyone. My strategy didn't exactly
:05:51. > :05:57.culminate in success in elections. I have some sympathy, of course I do,
:05:58. > :06:01.given the powerful vested interests we've got in the written press in
:06:02. > :06:05.this country, there's a need, unhinged stuff that you get from
:06:06. > :06:09.Paul Dacre run the Daily Mail and elsewhere, the bully boy tactics of
:06:10. > :06:11.those papers, and I understand that Jeremy Corbyn and his team want to
:06:12. > :06:17.communicate with people that clearly they are not going to the pages of
:06:18. > :06:20.the... Mail and other parts of the Brexit press. Jeremy Corbyn may be
:06:21. > :06:26.looking to the US for inspiration on how to reach out to voters, but in
:06:27. > :06:29.common with all UK political leaders, his fortunes will be bound
:06:30. > :06:35.up with how the UK negotiates it way out of the EU. Today, in the
:06:36. > :06:38.strongly pro-leave city of Peterborough, he said he was no
:06:39. > :06:42.longer wedded to the principle of free movement. Allies said this
:06:43. > :06:46.marked a shift in language and a recognition that Brexit does provide
:06:47. > :06:52.an opportunity for wider reform of the labour market by cracking down
:06:53. > :06:56.on agencies that have used migrant labour to drive down wages. The more
:06:57. > :07:01.I get the impression that the differences now between Theresa May
:07:02. > :07:06.and the principal party of opposition, the Labour Party, is
:07:07. > :07:10.basically one of nuance and detail rather than substance. They both say
:07:11. > :07:14.that there have to be unspecified reforms to freedom of movement, and
:07:15. > :07:20.that worries me because unless the Labour Party is prepared to hold the
:07:21. > :07:25.Government's feet to the fire, this Government, I worry, is going to bok
:07:26. > :07:30.choi Brexit very badly. A former member of the Shadow Cabinet
:07:31. > :07:36.believes that Jeremy Corbyn is on the right track but does not go far
:07:37. > :07:39.enough. I welcome a commitment to managed migration but I think we
:07:40. > :07:46.need more detail on how that will work in practice. I think that one
:07:47. > :07:50.of the main messages from the EU referendum back in June was that the
:07:51. > :07:55.status quo on immigration and free movement cannot continue, and people
:07:56. > :07:59.want the Government to have more control of the numbers of people
:08:00. > :08:05.coming in. In common with the finest of start-ups, today's strategy had a
:08:06. > :08:09.bit of a bumpy start. Jeremy Corbyn appeared to suggest early on that he
:08:10. > :08:14.favoured a cap on maximum pay rates. By this afternoon, the position was
:08:15. > :08:16.a little more nuanced as he suggested the Government could use
:08:17. > :08:22.its leverage in public sector contracts to force private companies
:08:23. > :08:27.to accept pay ratios, and the tax system could be used to change
:08:28. > :08:32.behaviour more widely. Jeremy Corbyn is unlikely to be picking fights
:08:33. > :08:38.with Hollywood stars. The moment, his mind will be on a windswept
:08:39. > :08:43.corner of Cumbria where Labour faces a tough by-election fight. Today's
:08:44. > :08:45.message on Brexit was no doubt aimed at Copeland and other labour streets
:08:46. > :08:48.which recorded a strong Leave vote. Caroline Flint was a shadow
:08:49. > :08:56.minister under Ed Miliband. You and other senior colleagues
:08:57. > :09:00.wanted a specific policy on freedom of movement. What did you want to
:09:01. > :09:04.hear today? I take a lot of positives from what Jeremy said
:09:05. > :09:08.today. After the referendum, he said the Labour Party needed to review
:09:09. > :09:11.immigration policy, and I think he did make clear today that as part of
:09:12. > :09:18.the discussions around the deal around Brexit, then looking at what
:09:19. > :09:25.a fair and reasonable set of rules around freedom of movement would
:09:26. > :09:28.mean to the discussion. But you were looking for something more specific,
:09:29. > :09:33.and he only said he was not wedded to the idea. Let me see what I was
:09:34. > :09:37.looking for. I believe that freedom of movement is something we should
:09:38. > :09:43.have addressed a long time ago, and Labour has sidestepped people's
:09:44. > :09:47.concerns on immigration, particularly in communities outside
:09:48. > :09:51.the big cities, outside of London. Jeremy has said, and it is backed up
:09:52. > :09:53.by Kia Starmer and the deputy leader, that is part of the
:09:54. > :10:00.negotiations around Brexit, of course we want full access to the
:10:01. > :10:05.single market as much as possible, but freedom of movement has to be
:10:06. > :10:10.part of that. Add to that, I think something like 50% of those who
:10:11. > :10:15.voted Remain also wanted reform of free movement as well. But you and
:10:16. > :10:22.others of your ilk want to see a two tier position. You want to see one
:10:23. > :10:25.strategy for senior skilled foe, and another strategy for others. You are
:10:26. > :10:30.rather long way from getting that. We have the start of a discussion
:10:31. > :10:35.today. Certainly, I think we need to look and probed more into the detail
:10:36. > :10:42.about how EU migration has affected Britain. When I did a survey online
:10:43. > :10:46.in my own constituency, where they voted overwhelmingly to leave, when
:10:47. > :10:50.I asked what they thought of students or highly skilled workers,
:10:51. > :10:55.they were less worried about that then the impact on low skill,
:10:56. > :11:01.low-paid sectors and areas such as Doncaster. New Labour was much less
:11:02. > :11:05.concerned about ordinary voters' concerns than growing the economy.
:11:06. > :11:08.They ignored it and turned a deaf ear to that, and that was a mistake,
:11:09. > :11:14.not just economically but culturally. It is not just about
:11:15. > :11:19.economic spot the social atmosphere. In my own constituency in the Don
:11:20. > :11:28.Valley, in 1997, it was over 90% white. The non-British vote has
:11:29. > :11:32.increased since then. It is a big change in communities. I wonder if
:11:33. > :11:37.people feel that the message from new Labour was that even two boys
:11:38. > :11:40.that was racist. I think part of the problem was that there were
:11:41. > :11:44.mistakes, and it has been acknowledged that we did not have
:11:45. > :11:49.transition controls in the way we have over Romania and Bulgaria.
:11:50. > :11:53.Across all parties, politicians tend to look at the net figures
:11:54. > :11:57.nationally without bearing down on what is happening in different
:11:58. > :12:00.communities, and I do think that is where not just around immigration
:12:01. > :12:04.but around globalisation, the loss of jobs, on the big scale,
:12:05. > :12:10.particularly when the economy was doing well before the recession, it
:12:11. > :12:14.could mask these problems. The thing you are acknowledging is that even a
:12:15. > :12:20.small population change can mean a big social shift. And the rate of it
:12:21. > :12:23.as well. Actually, it is a problem for people even to discuss it. You
:12:24. > :12:32.would not have the Labour leadership saying it was a problem, would you?
:12:33. > :12:37.Jeremy did address some of the problems, in his own words, which
:12:38. > :12:41.might be different from my words. That's OK. He did address the fact
:12:42. > :12:46.that some employers have used loopholes through freedom of
:12:47. > :12:54.movement to basically... That's economic, not culturally. -- not
:12:55. > :12:57.cultural. It overlaps. When you add in zero-hours contracts and young
:12:58. > :13:01.people can't put together the money for a deposit on a flat to rent, and
:13:02. > :13:05.when people are feeling that wholesale recruitment through an
:13:06. > :13:08.agency to a town in Poland has come into their local factory, it's not
:13:09. > :13:10.only hitting them in the pocket but in their hearts as well. Thank you
:13:11. > :13:12.very much indeed. We're joined by the Shadow Attorney
:13:13. > :13:22.General Baroness Chakrabarti. First of all, can you explain
:13:23. > :13:28.Labour's policy on freedom of movement as discussed today? Can you
:13:29. > :13:32.explain what it actually is. I will do my best. The priority is the
:13:33. > :13:38.economy, and we think that at this moment in their negotiations that
:13:39. > :13:42.will come, the priority is trying to get access to the single market. We
:13:43. > :13:49.don't have an ideological position that's for or against immigration,
:13:50. > :13:52.the priority is the economy, but as Caroline said, the economy has to
:13:53. > :13:56.wipe everyone, those at the top and at the bottom. When you are talking
:13:57. > :14:01.about the impact on the economy, you have to take care of business, yes,
:14:02. > :14:05.that wants to have free movement, but you also need to think about
:14:06. > :14:09.people whose wages are being undercut, about housing, public
:14:10. > :14:12.services and so on. If it was necessary for the economy to have
:14:13. > :14:16.more immigration rather than less, you would favour that? Yes, but only
:14:17. > :14:20.do if you do the corresponding thing, to make sure that migrant
:14:21. > :14:25.labour cannot be exploited and that people's wages are not undercut and
:14:26. > :14:28.that you do all the things to ameliorate the impact on people
:14:29. > :14:33.lower down the economic scale so that free movement isn't something
:14:34. > :14:37.that is just benefiting people at the top but not benefiting people at
:14:38. > :14:40.the bottom who feel that migrant labour is being exploited, that they
:14:41. > :14:44.don't have homes and access to schools and hospitals and so on. The
:14:45. > :14:49.economy has to work for everyone, which is why the stuff about wages
:14:50. > :14:53.fits completely in with this policy. It can't just be about Brexit but
:14:54. > :14:59.about what kind of country we want to have afterwards. But we are not
:15:00. > :15:04.necessarily just talking about low wages paid to workers coming in, for
:15:05. > :15:09.example, seasonal workers. We are talking not just about that but
:15:10. > :15:14.about the impact of low skilled workers coming into the UK, where
:15:15. > :15:19.there is a glut of low skilled workers, and what you are not saying
:15:20. > :15:21.is that, actually, there will be a two tier system, which Caroline
:15:22. > :15:26.Flint wants, which takes high skilled workers and then if
:15:27. > :15:28.necessary low skilled workers. Jeremy Corbyn is simply saying he
:15:29. > :15:32.wants to get rid of the undercutting of wages. That is not a
:15:33. > :15:39.comprehensive policy on free movement.
:15:40. > :15:43.We cannot have a comprehensive policy on free movement because we
:15:44. > :15:51.are not currently sitting at the negotiating table. I think there has
:15:52. > :15:56.to be negotiation and the government has no plans whatsoever. What is
:15:57. > :16:00.clear is that the Labour Party will put the economy first but the
:16:01. > :16:05.economy must work not just for those at the top but every level. You are
:16:06. > :16:13.facing a by-election in Cumbria and in that by-election it will be a
:16:14. > :16:18.hard fight. Voters voted to leave. Do you think that what Jeremy Corbyn
:16:19. > :16:21.said today would reassure people who are natural Labour voters. People in
:16:22. > :16:28.that constituency are worried about the state of the hospital, they are
:16:29. > :16:32.worried about the future for their children and families. They're not
:16:33. > :16:36.anti immigration in some abstract way, they are not racist or
:16:37. > :16:44.xenophobic. They want to be part of an economy that works for everyone.
:16:45. > :16:47.They might want fewer immigrants in their community for the same reasons
:16:48. > :16:52.that Caroline Flint was talking about, you either want to raise the
:16:53. > :16:56.question of racism. I'm saying most people I have ever met in the UK
:16:57. > :17:03.regardless of their position on Brexit, are not anti-immigration in
:17:04. > :17:08.abstract way, what they want is an economy and society that works for
:17:09. > :17:11.everyone. What that means is that immigration has got to serve the
:17:12. > :17:16.economy but the economy has to be something we can all share in. So
:17:17. > :17:19.you do not allow the exploitation of migrant workers, you provide housing
:17:20. > :17:27.for everyone, health care for everyone. I'm keen to stick to this
:17:28. > :17:35.point, what Caroline was saying was that there may be an influx of
:17:36. > :17:40.migration in a big city but in other areas even a small shift can make a
:17:41. > :17:44.massive cultural difference. Do you accept that for some people that
:17:45. > :17:48.cultural change, that change in their whole world is something that
:17:49. > :17:54.is important to them and they're worried about being marked out as
:17:55. > :17:59.racist if they even raise it. I do not think it is racist to be
:18:00. > :18:03.concerned about the impact of immigration. I think that a lot of
:18:04. > :18:07.people fear the other when the other is not even in their neighbourhood
:18:08. > :18:12.but when there is an impact, it is the duty of government to provide
:18:13. > :18:16.the public services, the housing, and to avoid the undercutting of
:18:17. > :18:22.wages and that is the way to create an economy that works for everyone.
:18:23. > :18:29.Let's move on to Jeremy Corbyn and his pronouncement this morning that
:18:30. > :18:32.there was to be a wage cap. He talks about footballers earning millions
:18:33. > :18:39.and bankers and so forth. Did you know he was going to say that?
:18:40. > :18:42.Jeremy has been talking about inequality and general and wage
:18:43. > :18:45.inequality in particular probably all of his life. Did you know that
:18:46. > :18:52.he was going to announce this morning that he was in favour of a
:18:53. > :18:55.cap. I think he was completely authentic. But not this afternoon
:18:56. > :19:00.because he had to change that policy by then. That is not my reading of
:19:01. > :19:06.it and you have asked me for my reading of it is not the BBC reading
:19:07. > :19:10.of it. I am saying only that it was a major day for labour today, they
:19:11. > :19:15.work to be setting up their stall on free movement of people mainly but
:19:16. > :19:18.this was him rebooting for the New Year and it begins with a policy
:19:19. > :19:24.that I understand no one in the Shadow Cabinet knew was going to
:19:25. > :19:29.happen. That he was in favour of a cap on high pay and that was then
:19:30. > :19:34.reversed this afternoon to be a nuance on a question of ratio. That
:19:35. > :19:39.is not my reading of it. When you want to deal with wage inequality,
:19:40. > :19:44.you have to deal with in it in different sectors and using
:19:45. > :19:48.different tools. Footballers? In the public sector you could say we're
:19:49. > :19:53.going to cap public sector pay at the top. We have a ratio system. In
:19:54. > :19:59.the private sector you could look at things like tax incentives and the
:20:00. > :20:06.ratio between people at the top and bottom of a company. The big
:20:07. > :20:12.picture... Danny Blanchflower said it was a lunatic idea. But by the
:20:13. > :20:18.afternoon Jeremy Corbyn has announced something completely
:20:19. > :20:23.different, perhaps tweaking the tax system and an extension of the
:20:24. > :20:27.ratios. There are different ways to approach wage inequality in
:20:28. > :20:31.different sectors but what is clear and authentic is that Jeremy is for
:20:32. > :20:38.a more equal Britain and many people are with him on that. During the day
:20:39. > :20:45.today when Jeremy Corbyn was talking in Peterborough about free movement
:20:46. > :20:48.and wage caps, his campaign director was messaging about the prices in
:20:49. > :20:58.the health service. It is extraordinary that he was sending
:20:59. > :21:01.messages about that on twitter, rather than addressing that huge
:21:02. > :21:07.crisis today, he was saying one thing and his campaign director was
:21:08. > :21:13.saying another. It was the perfect opportunity to take on the NHS
:21:14. > :21:17.question head-on. That is about spin. It is about substance. I do
:21:18. > :21:23.not think so, we have been doing a great job on the health service. The
:21:24. > :21:29.Shadow Health Secretary... This was a major speech. You are saying that
:21:30. > :21:34.Jeremy cannot talk about health care and inequality and Brexit.
:21:35. > :21:39.Unfortunately this country is in such a pickle at the moment that it
:21:40. > :21:45.is is responsibility to speak about all of these things. Do you think it
:21:46. > :21:49.went well today for the ideal positive that Jeremy has spoken
:21:50. > :21:53.authentically and spoken from his heart, directly to people and the
:21:54. > :21:59.biggest criticism that you can put to me is that it seemed a bit too
:22:00. > :22:11.unspun. We have an NHS crisis, criticism of the government Brexit
:22:12. > :22:16.strategy, Labour 27% rating. You're not very well because perhaps days
:22:17. > :22:20.like this happen and you appear to be going off cack handedly. You talk
:22:21. > :22:24.about spin by Jeremy spoke from the heart about values and vision and I
:22:25. > :22:28.think given the chance, he will speak directly to his audience and
:22:29. > :22:34.that will go well. And that would be twitter. That would be twitter. It
:22:35. > :22:38.is going to be more than twitter but we do have to speak more directly to
:22:39. > :22:44.people, no question about that. The question of wage inequality, there
:22:45. > :22:51.has been some developments and Chris Cook is here. Something came out
:22:52. > :22:57.from the ONS today, slightly poorly timed because it suggests that there
:22:58. > :23:06.has been quite good news on wage inequality. We have this graph
:23:07. > :23:11.showing the coefficient, the propensity of inequality for the
:23:12. > :23:22.population. What were drawn at the moment, these three major elections.
:23:23. > :23:25.What we can see is this gigantic surge in inequality under the
:23:26. > :23:32.Thatcher government, a slow retreat under Labour and then continued
:23:33. > :23:40.retreat recently. Basically since 2007 there has been ?1600 increase
:23:41. > :23:45.in the wages at the bottom fifth and ?1000 so for wages of the top. So
:23:46. > :23:49.actually inequality has been shifting since the financial crisis.
:23:50. > :23:54.And Jeremy Corbyn has been speaking about this a lot so presumably you
:23:55. > :23:58.would give credit to the Conservative government, since 2010,
:23:59. > :24:04.for bringing this inequality down. The figures you describe, forgive me
:24:05. > :24:11.they are a drop in the ocean. For people who cannot afford the rail
:24:12. > :24:22.hike, who cannot leave home in their 20s and buy a home, in real terms
:24:23. > :24:23.inequality is a gaping chasm in the country and ?1000 at the top just is
:24:24. > :24:25.not going to cut it. Thank you both. Donald Trump's son-in-law and close
:24:26. > :24:30.confidante Jared Kushner Yesterday his father in law gave
:24:31. > :24:33.the multi millionaire an early birthday present
:24:34. > :24:35.when he appointed him as a senior White House advisor -
:24:36. > :24:38.a reward perhaps for his tireless Kushner is a property developer
:24:39. > :24:42.and a newspaper owner,it is not yet clear whether he will have to divest
:24:43. > :24:45.himself of all his interests to take up the apparently unpaid
:24:46. > :24:47.hugely influential role. What's even less clear
:24:48. > :24:49.is Jared Kushner's politics. Here's our Diplomatic
:24:50. > :25:00.Editor Mark Urban. Some of the new Jersey property
:25:01. > :25:06.baron, Jared Kushner had a privileged upbringing. His path from
:25:07. > :25:12.Harvard in the family firm looked like plain sailing. Until 2005, when
:25:13. > :25:23.his father Charlie was convicted of tax evasion and witness tampering. I
:25:24. > :25:27.was there, Charlie was a well-respected member of his family
:25:28. > :25:37.and community. It was a terrible blow to the family. Jared as the
:25:38. > :25:44.second oldest child, it was hard for him and for his sisters and brother.
:25:45. > :25:50.The Kushner conviction sprang from vicious political and family
:25:51. > :25:54.rivalries. Mr Krishna engaged in a conspiracy. Some have claimed that
:25:55. > :26:01.this battle left Jared Kushner with a strong desire for revenge. There's
:26:02. > :26:08.definitely a psychological drama at play, a lot of people spoke about
:26:09. > :26:12.Kushner wanting revenge early in this election season. Now Chris
:26:13. > :26:19.Christie is nowhere in the picture when it comes to the Trump
:26:20. > :26:23.administration. In these cases, often there is at least a glimmer or
:26:24. > :26:32.grain of truth to these stories. We have seen both in Trump and Kushner
:26:33. > :26:39.a desire to get even. Hungry yet, or do we start another day. The life of
:26:40. > :26:42.Jared Kushner with turns of fortune feels a little like a 19th-century
:26:43. > :26:48.novel. It has been reported that his favourite book is indeed the Count
:26:49. > :26:53.of Monte Cristo. A saga of how unjust imprisonment leads the hero
:26:54. > :26:56.to amass a fortune and he spent a lifetime seeking revenge. Certainly
:26:57. > :27:02.his alliance through marriage with the Trump family has now brought him
:27:03. > :27:08.to the apex of political power. Jared is a very successful real
:27:09. > :27:13.estate agent but I think he likes politics more than real estate. He
:27:14. > :27:18.is very good at politics. Notoriously reluctant to give
:27:19. > :27:23.interviews, Kushner, who is Jewish, took to the pages of a newspaper he
:27:24. > :27:27.owns to desert -- to defend Trump against a charge of anti-Semitism
:27:28. > :27:31.during a campaign. One of the people you see behind you in the newsroom
:27:32. > :27:36.is Danish wards who broke the story for us and it shows you what I mean
:27:37. > :27:42.about a publisher who does not, is not heavy-handed. She wrote a piece
:27:43. > :27:51.questioning why Donald Trump, are clearly anti-Semitic element, come
:27:52. > :27:55.to support him. And Jared answered, no candidate can be held responsible
:27:56. > :28:00.for every one of their millions of supporters. But I know this guy and
:28:01. > :28:06.there is not a racist or anti-Semitic bone in his body. When
:28:07. > :28:11.Trump to the White House, his son-in-law was also there. Kushner
:28:12. > :28:14.was credited with designing a winning campaign on a shoestring and
:28:15. > :28:20.has knowledge of how Washington actually works is slight. Perhaps
:28:21. > :28:24.he's a very able person but we have no track record to judge that. He
:28:25. > :28:31.has no experience and he is coming this position by his family network
:28:32. > :28:37.and so he has got to prove himself. But it is not for nothing that there
:28:38. > :28:41.are anti-nepotism laws and it is not just this one relative, there are
:28:42. > :28:45.always relatives that Trump is putting into power very close to
:28:46. > :28:51.power, without appropriate Chinese walls. So it is a problem. If Jared
:28:52. > :28:55.Kushner has a tendency for extremism it is in the matter of family
:28:56. > :29:01.loyalty and that is what has made him indispensable to Donald Trump.
:29:02. > :29:05.As for his actual politics, he has exhibited what Henry Kissinger has
:29:06. > :29:10.characterised as a considerable degree of constructive ambiguity.
:29:11. > :29:14.Jared is that there are guy and listens to a lot of people and is
:29:15. > :29:17.willing to be persuaded but ultimately he is quite decisive. The
:29:18. > :29:21.Observer I think is the only newspaper in the country for example
:29:22. > :29:27.that endorsed both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in their respective
:29:28. > :29:31.primaries. That shows not only the ideological diversity but that we
:29:32. > :29:36.pick winners. Not forgetting the Count of Monte Cristo. After the
:29:37. > :29:40.Trump victory, Chris Christie, the man expected to organise the new
:29:41. > :29:48.administration, but who had gloated when the father of Jared Kushner was
:29:49. > :29:52.convicted, was fired. Is it my turn? It is. When it comes to the new
:29:53. > :29:59.White House and the influence on Trump, many in high hopes on his
:30:00. > :30:05.special adviser, just 35 years old. Many people in Washington and New
:30:06. > :30:10.York found some comfort that Jared Kushner was going to be in the ear
:30:11. > :30:15.of Donald Trump before big decisions are made. So much of what Trump said
:30:16. > :30:22.on the campaign trail was so toxic and frightening and yet can see is
:30:23. > :30:27.someone who is soft-spoken, he is moderate, in some ways he is a
:30:28. > :30:31.progressive. And off some of the hard edges of Donald Trump. In the
:30:32. > :30:35.dwindling days of the Obama presidency, many in Washington are
:30:36. > :30:39.anxious. The President-elect could not be more different in style and
:30:40. > :30:43.one reason why they now pin their hopes on those around Trump.
:30:44. > :30:45.Carrie Fisher died less than a fortnight ago,
:30:46. > :30:48.but in the minds for Disney movie moguls - and Star Wars fans -
:30:49. > :30:51.she is very much alive and with what might be regarded
:30:52. > :30:53.as unseemly haste Disney is negotiating with the actor's
:30:54. > :30:55.estate over her continued appearance in the franchise.
:30:56. > :30:58.If Disney gets the go ahead Carrie Fisher will join
:30:59. > :31:01.Peter Cushing, who last month, 15 years after his death,
:31:02. > :31:05.played a key role in Rogue One as Grand Moff Tarkin.
:31:06. > :31:09.With computers, anything is possible, but is it desirable?
:31:10. > :31:11.While some living actors are contracting over the use
:31:12. > :31:14.of their image when they die, others - like Robin Williams,
:31:15. > :31:17.who killed himself in 2014 - explicitly banned the commercial use
:31:18. > :31:31.There wasn't much that could be done when an actor died
:31:32. > :31:35.Patience, it's not one of our virtues.
:31:36. > :31:38.Peter Sellers was resurrected as Inspector Clouseau in the Trail
:31:39. > :31:45.of the Pink Panther using deleted footage from previous films
:31:46. > :31:47.in the series and a stand-in with bandages on his head.
:31:48. > :31:50.When Brandon Lee died on the set of The Crow,
:31:51. > :31:53.he appeared courtesy of stunt doubles and basic special effects.
:31:54. > :31:57.But the advent of CGI has meant that some of our stars never fade.
:31:58. > :32:02.When Oliver Reed was involved in a fatal drinking competition
:32:03. > :32:04.before he'd finished filming Gladiator, production had
:32:05. > :32:12.They also used a body double and CGI to complete the project.
:32:13. > :32:15.The ethics of using technology to include deceased actors in films
:32:16. > :32:19.after they've committed to a project are one thing.
:32:20. > :32:22.But things get a little bit trickier when the project is instigated
:32:23. > :32:30.It's safe to say that Audrey Hepburn never appeared in an advert selling
:32:31. > :32:36.Would she have wanted her image used in such a way?
:32:37. > :32:43.In last year's Star Wars film, Rogue One, Peter Cushing,
:32:44. > :32:45.who died in 1994, was brought back to life.
:32:46. > :32:48.His character was crucial to the story, and his estate gave
:32:49. > :32:55.A young Princess Leia, as played by Carrie Fisher,
:32:56. > :32:57.also popped up at the end of the film.
:32:58. > :33:00.But her death just before Christmas poses a conundrum
:33:01. > :33:06.The next instalment is in the can, but the last episode hasn't
:33:07. > :33:11.Could anyone else play such an iconic role?
:33:12. > :33:17.So, will she be brought back to life for the final instalment
:33:18. > :33:24.We're joined by Tim Webber, who is the chief creative
:33:25. > :33:27.officer at Framestore - the Bafta and Oscar-awarding winning
:33:28. > :33:29.visual effects studio, and Anna Smith, the president
:33:30. > :33:44.Good evening to you both. Anna, first of all, argue squeamish --
:33:45. > :33:50.argue squeamish about keeping actors alive for commercial gain? Yes,
:33:51. > :33:55.especially in that advert with Audrey Hepburn, it feels slightly
:33:56. > :34:00.queasy and strange to see them recreated, albeit brilliantly. It is
:34:01. > :34:04.too uncanny. If an actor sadly dies in the middle of making a film they
:34:05. > :34:07.have already consented to being, it would be their wish to continue with
:34:08. > :34:13.that, but to completely recreate them is another matter. I wonder
:34:14. > :34:17.what you would say to that, because Framestore is one of the companies
:34:18. > :34:22.that can do this stuff, but it is no longer a performance by an actor. It
:34:23. > :34:31.is still a performance by an actor, but that will be a different one. It
:34:32. > :34:34.is a recreated actor. I look at it as essentially digital make-up. It
:34:35. > :34:42.is another actor, not Peter Cushing, but he is wearing digital make-up.
:34:43. > :34:47.That is different to people dressing up when they are giving performances
:34:48. > :34:54.as the Queen or as... But they are alive. Or as Winston Churchill.
:34:55. > :35:00.People wear make up and try and become other people will stop it is
:35:01. > :35:03.part of acting. If it was the case that the whole Indiana Jones
:35:04. > :35:07.franchise were rebooted in 20 years, and people thought, we have to have
:35:08. > :35:12.Harrison Ford in this role, you would have no qualms about that? I
:35:13. > :35:16.would have qualms. It is a nuanced thing to do and it depends on fire
:35:17. > :35:22.you are doing it and how you do it. But I also think it's not really up
:35:23. > :35:27.to us to judge whether that should happen or not. I think it is hard to
:35:28. > :35:31.know who can judge when someone is dead, but the estate of the person,
:35:32. > :35:39.I think, are probably the best people to make the call. Anna. Is
:35:40. > :35:43.the estate the best person? Only the actor can judge. The performances
:35:44. > :35:47.are so nuanced and a lot of it is about empathy. You think about the
:35:48. > :35:55.great performances of our time, and often they are whimsical and cannot
:35:56. > :35:58.be recreated easily. I heard that Carrie Fisher altered her Star Wars
:35:59. > :36:03.scripts - that obviously can't happen if she is going to be, as it
:36:04. > :36:08.were, recreated for the last one in the franchise. It won't be the
:36:09. > :36:14.Carrie Fisher, the personality of Carrie Fisher. Absolutely. I can see
:36:15. > :36:18.the conundrum. If I were them, I would find a smaller role so that if
:36:19. > :36:23.there is a CGI Carrie Fisher, at least it is not a huge role. Is
:36:24. > :36:29.there an issue in this precarious profession that keeping going with
:36:30. > :36:34.the whole lot is actually rather uncreative, when you think of the
:36:35. > :36:38.new lot coming through. That certainly is a danger, and I think
:36:39. > :36:42.the film industry has a tendency to be uncreative and to stick to
:36:43. > :36:50.proving things from the past. -- things that are proven. A film star
:36:51. > :36:58.is far more than just a visit, it is the performance. That will not be
:36:59. > :37:02.Peter Cushing's performance. It might be a fine performance by a
:37:03. > :37:07.contemporary actor, but it is not Peter Cushing. By a doppelganger.
:37:08. > :37:11.The actor who was anonymous, because he does not get credit for his
:37:12. > :37:16.performance, is digitally enhanced himself, or herself, and then
:37:17. > :37:21.elements of Peter Cushing's face are recreated? That's correct.
:37:22. > :37:24.Essentially, they are made to look like Peter Cushing, which also does
:37:25. > :37:32.involvement appellation of the performance, to a small extent, just
:37:33. > :37:37.little ticks have to feel like they are Peter Cushing. It is complex. Do
:37:38. > :37:42.you think it alters the audience responds when they know what they
:37:43. > :37:48.are watching is something that is incredibly skilfully done, and they
:37:49. > :37:51.might be taken up more by seeing how good the technology is than by
:37:52. > :37:57.having an emotional connection with the character? When an actor is
:37:58. > :38:01.deceased, you cannot help but be aware when they are so famous. It
:38:02. > :38:04.takes the audience out of it. A lot of people said about the last Star
:38:05. > :38:09.Wars film that it gave them a joke. It takes them out of the story a
:38:10. > :38:16.bit. It makes it more like animate something, less like a naturalistic
:38:17. > :38:20.human performance. It must. It certainly can be distracting, and I
:38:21. > :38:25.think it is important to use it in the right way at the right time. It
:38:26. > :38:28.can be distracting, but I don't think it need necessarily be less
:38:29. > :38:33.like a human performance. That depends on the scale and techniques
:38:34. > :38:38.that are used to create it. And I don't think we are there get. I have
:38:39. > :38:42.looked at that Peter Cushing performance, and I look that you're
:38:43. > :38:45.making of the Peter Cushing, and of course, I'm looking for everything
:38:46. > :38:52.to think about whether or not it is the real person. It is very hard to
:38:53. > :38:58.recreate a human. It is incredibly hard. It wasn't as who may Peter
:38:59. > :39:02.Cushing. I don't think the skills have got to the point where it is
:39:03. > :39:05.absolutely believable as a human being yet. Would you like to see
:39:06. > :39:12.Carrie Fisher in the last of the franchise? I would, but not too much
:39:13. > :39:15.because it would be distracting. I agree that a little bit would be a
:39:16. > :39:20.good thing. It is important to have continuity to the story, but not too
:39:21. > :39:31.much. Thank you both very much indeed. A quick look at the front
:39:32. > :39:35.pages: The woman who is at the head of the Whitworth in Manchester is to
:39:36. > :39:40.become the Cape's first female director. In the Telegraph: Carbon's
:39:41. > :39:51.migration policy in disarray. We leave you with Ed Sheeran's
:39:52. > :39:56.new release, Castle on a Hill. In a daring artistic move first
:39:57. > :39:59.spotted by Facebook group Made in Poor Taste, Sheeran
:40:00. > :40:01.has decided to rework the classic acoustic anthem
:40:02. > :40:04."Freelove Freeway" by David Brent. We'll leave you to decide
:40:05. > :40:11.which version is better. # I was running from my
:40:12. > :40:15.brother and his... # Pretty girl on the hood
:40:16. > :40:18.of a Cadillac, yeah... # Running from the law
:40:19. > :40:20.through the backfields and... # Tasting the sweet
:40:21. > :40:25.perfume # Of the mountain
:40:26. > :40:31.grass I rolled down... # Take a look at her engine starting
:40:32. > :40:34.# I leave her purring # Free love on the
:40:35. > :40:39.freelove freeway # The love is free
:40:40. > :40:42.and the freeway is long # Driving at 90
:40:43. > :40:49.down those country lanes # Going home cos my
:40:50. > :41:17.baby's gone Good evening. It will be a cold and
:41:18. > :41:21.windy start to Wednesday. Gusts could reach 70 mph. There could be
:41:22. > :41:25.travel disruption. The wind will bring showers with it, into the
:41:26. > :41:29.northern half of the UK in particular. Some of those will be
:41:30. > :41:33.wintry on high ground. The snow will be blowing around. There will be
:41:34. > :41:37.some dry and bright intervals, but blustery into the afternoon. Also
:41:38. > :41:41.blustery in northern England, with a scattering of showers. The strongest
:41:42. > :41:46.winds will be to the east of the Pennines. Not many showers here, and
:41:47. > :41:50.largely dry in East Anglia and the south-east. Some cloud and some
:41:51. > :41:58.sunshine. A windy afternoon, Chile too. Through showers in the
:41:59. > :42:05.south-west. A lot of dry weather. Pretty windy through the afternoon.
:42:06. > :42:08.Similar across most of Wales. A good scattering of showers in Northern
:42:09. > :42:12.Ireland, windy through the afternoon. Another windy day on
:42:13. > :42:16.Thursday. If anything, it gets colder weather fronts coming in from
:42:17. > :42:18.the south and north. Both are likely to bring some snow with them. A
:42:19. > :42:19.windy