:00:00. > :00:08.The leaked Trump dossier - what did the British authorities know?
:00:09. > :00:11.Who in Whitehall saw it, and who knew what impact it
:00:12. > :00:17.We'll talk to a former MI6 officer and a man who's been personally
:00:18. > :00:22.Also tonight, we report from Cyprus, where signs are that
:00:23. > :00:27.But in some quarters, wounds still run deep.
:00:28. > :00:30.I don't believe a solution will come in the next two
:00:31. > :00:37.If they start changing the education system, if they start
:00:38. > :00:39.changing the Dhekelia, even now they are spreading
:00:40. > :00:44.We ask the Northern Cypriot Representative to the UK
:00:45. > :00:49.And we talk to choreographer Wayne McGregor about how
:00:50. > :01:00.Some people like to dance when when no-one's looking
:01:01. > :01:03.I think what's interesting, everybody has a personal
:01:04. > :01:17.A salacious memo - slapped down as fake news
:01:18. > :01:21.and vehemently denied by President-elect Trump
:01:22. > :01:23.yesterday at his first news conference since July.
:01:24. > :01:26.Today, he tweeted that the US Intelligence Service said it was
:01:27. > :01:30.In fact, James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence,
:01:31. > :01:33.effectively distanced the US Intelligence Agency
:01:34. > :01:36.from the unverified video, saying it didn't leak it and hadn't
:01:37. > :01:43.Since then, the spotlight has been shone on the man credited
:01:44. > :01:45.with producing the memo - Christopher Steele, a former MI6
:01:46. > :01:49.officer respected by British intelligence agencies,
:01:50. > :01:56.The focus is now on what British intelligence knew and whether
:01:57. > :01:59.anything made its way onto ministers' desks.
:02:00. > :02:03.But the wider question persists - is this a scandal of Watergate
:02:04. > :02:06.proportions, or one of the biggest smears in the history of politics?
:02:07. > :02:19.Here's our Diplomatic Editor, Mark Urban.
:02:20. > :02:23.We're learning more about the world of private intelligence gathering
:02:24. > :02:29.and how information gleaned from across the globe -- Globe was
:02:30. > :02:36.assembled in the Trump files, and what was done with them. There was a
:02:37. > :02:42.London connection. The offices of Orbis, a small private firms set up
:02:43. > :02:46.by a former company of MI6 officers, commissioned in this case by
:02:47. > :02:52.American paymasters to dig the dirt on Trump. A series of reports was
:02:53. > :02:59.filed by August between June and December last year. Taken together,
:03:00. > :03:03.they presented such a serious catalogue of alleged wrongdoing is
:03:04. > :03:06.surrounding Mr Trump and his campaign, that those in receipt of
:03:07. > :03:14.the reports decided they would have to be sent to the FBI. And people
:03:15. > :03:20.here, I've been told, Kimberly conclusion that meant MI6 would also
:03:21. > :03:24.have to be put in the picture. The reports were put together by
:03:25. > :03:30.Christopher Steele, who had served as an MI6 intelligence officer in
:03:31. > :03:35.Russia and France. He and a partner founded August business intelligence
:03:36. > :03:38.when he left the service in 2009. He is reported to have provided
:03:39. > :03:48.information on the Fifa corruption case to the FBI. So evidently, they
:03:49. > :03:52.regarded him as sound. Yesterday though, Trump trashed several of the
:03:53. > :03:58.most extraordinary claims in the memos. I think it's a disgrace that
:03:59. > :04:02.information would be let out. I saw the information, I read the
:04:03. > :04:07.information outside of that meeting. It's all fake news, it's phoney
:04:08. > :04:12.stuff, it didn't happen. But while Donald Trump yesterday claimed James
:04:13. > :04:16.Clapper had denounced the report, today the director of national
:04:17. > :04:17.intelligence without a public statement saying something quite
:04:18. > :04:33.different. Leaving aside the private
:04:34. > :04:39.intelligence gathering with all its apparent faults, the official US
:04:40. > :04:46.intelligence community view, presented at Trump Tower last week,
:04:47. > :04:51.was of a gross violation of American democracy in favour of the Trump
:04:52. > :04:56.campaign by Russia. A verdict that his own nominee to run the CIA
:04:57. > :05:06.endorsed today. Everything I've seen suggests to me that the report has
:05:07. > :05:10.an analytical product that is sound. But as Mr Pompeo and the other
:05:11. > :05:14.inductees move into position, Trump supporters expect the way
:05:15. > :05:24.intelligence is presented to change. It is very convenient for them to
:05:25. > :05:27.delegitimise ties -- delegitimise Donald Trump. They don't like him,
:05:28. > :05:32.they don't want him, they want Mrs Clinton and they want Barack Obama,
:05:33. > :05:38.who appointed them. But remember, you can have a whole new group of
:05:39. > :05:43.people running these agencies as soon as his appointees are confirmed
:05:44. > :05:49.by the Senate. With that happening, you are good to see a change in tone
:05:50. > :05:53.and temperament. What did MI6 do with the reports it received? The
:05:54. > :05:57.government today was remaining tight-lipped. But one person
:05:58. > :06:01.familiar with the service's procedures told me that MI6 wouldn't
:06:02. > :06:08.normally circulate such material if it wasn't aware of the identity of
:06:09. > :06:14.sources from which it was drawn. So the answer seems to be, they kept it
:06:15. > :06:23.largely to themselves. I think it would have been a pretty borderline
:06:24. > :06:28.case if the material was not well sourced, if the source wasn't
:06:29. > :06:31.identified, and if the source couldn't be assessed in terms of
:06:32. > :06:38.reliability or access and credibility. I think the agency is
:06:39. > :06:45.quite likely have been pretty cautious about putting it out. Since
:06:46. > :06:48.the Butler report, since the Chilcot Report, they have become much more
:06:49. > :06:56.rigorous, much more prudent in the way they present intelligence. As
:06:57. > :07:01.for the fallout from this, the former MI6 man, Christopher Steele,
:07:02. > :07:06.was not at home to chorus today. The focus though is shifting, back from
:07:07. > :07:07.the credibility of his reporting, to the bigger question about the spies
:07:08. > :07:08.and how they deal with Trump. about the spies and how
:07:09. > :07:10.they deal with Trump. Let's talk to our Political Editor
:07:11. > :07:20.Nick Watt, who has more details Good evening. Christopher Steele
:07:21. > :07:25.passed this on to MI6. What happened next? I can only echo what was said
:07:26. > :07:29.in the film. I understand these documents were not passed on to
:07:30. > :07:32.ministers, neither were ministers briefed about them when they were
:07:33. > :07:36.passed over. Whether they have been briefed in recent days, that is
:07:37. > :07:40.another matter. You might have thought that a bin and century
:07:41. > :07:45.reports like this ends up add MI6, it would end up on the desks of
:07:46. > :07:50.senior ministers and at the White House. But what happened was a
:07:51. > :07:54.judgment was made that these reports were not really compiled to the
:07:55. > :08:00.standard you would expect of MI6, and with that in mind, MI6 had to
:08:01. > :08:02.make a judgment about whether it would be helpful or Makkonen helpful
:08:03. > :08:07.to briefed ministers. Clearly they reached something of a political
:08:08. > :08:12.judgment based on those procedures mark was talking about, that was
:08:13. > :08:15.best to put some distance between ministers and these reports. What is
:08:16. > :08:23.the feeling in Whitehall that you are sensing about what has been
:08:24. > :08:27.revealed? It's a bit sniffy, really. What I'm hearing is he is not an
:08:28. > :08:31.intelligence agent. He is a businessman. He runs a business
:08:32. > :08:37.model. He is essentially saying to clients, I can dig deeper and find
:08:38. > :08:40.lots of information about rivals or political opponents. There is a
:08:41. > :08:45.feeling that the reports are showing off. That there is one sensational
:08:46. > :08:49.claim after another. There are very few of the caveats you would expect
:08:50. > :08:54.in an official intelligence report. We know all about caveats. The
:08:55. > :09:00.Butler report into the use of intelligence in the lead to the Iraq
:09:01. > :09:05.war said that the Blair government, the joint intelligence committee,
:09:06. > :09:08.had perhaps stripped out some of the caveats in the intelligence
:09:09. > :09:12.presented. Let me add my own little caveat. It's not a great surprise
:09:13. > :09:18.that officially we are finding a bit of a sniffy UK response. Obviously
:09:19. > :09:19.macro Britain needs to big -- build bridges with the incoming Trump
:09:20. > :09:21.bridges with the incoming Trump administration.
:09:22. > :09:23.Let's talk now to Harry Ferguson, who is a former MI6 officer.
:09:24. > :09:34.Thank you for joining us. We were just hearing their that Christopher
:09:35. > :09:43.Steele is a businessman, a man respected by many intelligence
:09:44. > :09:45.agencies. Your take on him? Yes, I have met Chris once as an
:09:46. > :09:49.intelligence and Security Conference. He always struck me as a
:09:50. > :09:52.very affable and very reliable sort of guy not given to flights of
:09:53. > :10:01.fancy. I also know him through mutual friends. Another work of his
:10:02. > :10:06.company. They are a reliable agency. Chris was a strong middle ranking
:10:07. > :10:10.SAS officer. I don't quite agree that this was a subpar report. It
:10:11. > :10:15.seems to me that Chris has been quite careful to try to find as many
:10:16. > :10:20.sources as possible, but also to make it clear that these are stories
:10:21. > :10:25.and that what his report has at the moment, it lacks that killer
:10:26. > :10:30.evidence. What kind of stories are there? Joe Public, Wii, don't see
:10:31. > :10:37.reports like this. What scale do we put it against, the National
:10:38. > :10:42.Enquirer, or something as -- akin to a government led report? It's not
:10:43. > :10:48.quite the Premier League that an SAS report would be. It's more a leading
:10:49. > :10:53.Championship side. One of the things that's missing from this report that
:10:54. > :10:58.you would normally find in an MI6 report is an indication of just how
:10:59. > :11:02.long these sources have been in contact, and how reliable their
:11:03. > :11:06.reporting has been in the past. That sort of caveat is missing. But the
:11:07. > :11:10.intelligence included in this document really falls into three
:11:11. > :11:14.parts. The first is to suggest that the Russians have been feeding
:11:15. > :11:17.intelligence about the Democrats to the Trump campaign. The second is
:11:18. > :11:23.one particular incident which appears to have occurred in 2013,
:11:24. > :11:28.the one involving supposedly Russian prostitute in Moscow. Chris has
:11:29. > :11:32.managed to dig up four different sources, because he wants to back
:11:33. > :11:35.that up. There is another story that the Russians have been collecting
:11:36. > :11:40.compromising intelligence about Trump for a very long time. That
:11:41. > :11:44.also has a certain amount of credibility. I think Trump was
:11:45. > :11:48.surprised to become president now. I don't think he was thinking about it
:11:49. > :11:53.ten years ago. He is a wealthy man used to getting his own ways. Chris
:11:54. > :12:00.has found these stories, tried to corroborate them and he has put them
:12:01. > :12:03.out there. But he does not have that final piece of evidence. The reason
:12:04. > :12:07.we have not seen either the SAS, the CAA or the FBI move on it is that
:12:08. > :12:13.they don't have it either. Nobody can quite find the definitive story.
:12:14. > :12:17.If the information is out there but can't be corroborated, why wouldn't
:12:18. > :12:22.the intelligence services here have passed that to ministers, or is the
:12:23. > :12:27.implication that it has already been discussed? Well, that's just it.
:12:28. > :12:33.Chris worked in SAS for 20 years. Most of the sources he is using
:12:34. > :12:38.would be once he built up. You would assume that in the seven years since
:12:39. > :12:44.he left, other sources have recruited. He would have tried to
:12:45. > :12:49.add sources himself. SYS should have already been aware that this
:12:50. > :12:52.information was out there. I was at a Conference last week for
:12:53. > :12:57.intelligence professionals and there was a love of gossip about this
:12:58. > :13:03.story before it broke. People said they had heard rumours last year at
:13:04. > :13:06.times. I think they looked at it and said, we haven't got anything new
:13:07. > :13:10.that we are not already reporting. It doesn't enhance what we have put
:13:11. > :13:14.out there. There is no need to let ministers know. They might have led
:13:15. > :13:18.the Americans know what Chris was working on. A question was made
:13:19. > :13:22.about not knowing what his sources were. They could have gone to him.
:13:23. > :13:24.They could have asked him. I suspect they already knew. Harry Ferguson,
:13:25. > :13:26.thank you for your time. Harry Ferguson, thank
:13:27. > :13:27.you for your time. Someone else caught up in the Trump
:13:28. > :13:30.memo scandal is Rick Wilson, a Republican party strategist
:13:31. > :13:32.and Trump critic. He was accused of being
:13:33. > :13:34.behind the Trump memo, and of leaking it to the CIA -
:13:35. > :13:37.a charge he has denied. Rick now joins us from
:13:38. > :13:50.Tallahassee, Florida. Thank you for joining us. How did
:13:51. > :13:56.you get caught up in this? Well, I've been a prominent person in the
:13:57. > :14:02.anti-Trump movement and a critic of Donald Trump for well over a year
:14:03. > :14:09.now and when the online forum decided to claim that they had
:14:10. > :14:13.written the memo as a prank, they put my name into the chain of
:14:14. > :14:19.accusations, that they had leaked it to me and I had taken it to the CIA
:14:20. > :14:24.and John McCain. It is readable and absurd but we live in an era, in
:14:25. > :14:30.American journalism, the post-fact are, so Conservative journalists
:14:31. > :14:34.took off with the story, believing it verbatim, even though it came
:14:35. > :14:39.from an anonymous forum, easily demonstrated to be false and my
:14:40. > :14:44.alleged role was easily demonstrated to be false, mainly because these
:14:45. > :14:52.folks don't understand how politics and media and journalism works in
:14:53. > :14:55.the US. How does politics and media work over there? You've denied any
:14:56. > :15:00.relationship to the memo and you've established that but the fact is, as
:15:01. > :15:06.a person who's worked in opposition research, your job is to dig dirt,
:15:07. > :15:10.isn't it, on the opposition, in order to sully their reputation,
:15:11. > :15:14.isn't that how it works? I'm actually the guy who hires the
:15:15. > :15:19.opposition researchers and yes, we use opposition research to establish
:15:20. > :15:22.a fact in a campaign so you can look at another candidate and say that
:15:23. > :15:26.their message doesn't fit with what they are claiming, their record
:15:27. > :15:32.doesn't fit with what they're claiming, their behaviour doesn't
:15:33. > :15:36.fit and to go after the predicates of their candidacy. Donald Trump
:15:37. > :15:39.claims to be a multi-billionaire, a successful international businessman
:15:40. > :15:43.but he's been very careful about hiding his relationships in the
:15:44. > :15:49.business community, so folks like me in the primary, well before this
:15:50. > :15:53.silly fabricated version came out, and well before the Christopher
:15:54. > :15:56.Steele report came out, we were looking at those relationships and
:15:57. > :16:01.that's where a lot of the pursuit was, looking at the secrets behind
:16:02. > :16:04.the opacity established by Trump hiding his tax returns and going
:16:05. > :16:10.after the business relationships, overseas in particular. Why do you
:16:11. > :16:14.think this has come out now? Many said that there were rumours last
:16:15. > :16:22.autumn, last fall as you might say, but why now? The first contact I had
:16:23. > :16:27.was a major investigative reporter for a TV network reached out and
:16:28. > :16:30.said, do you know anything, can you check with your people? This was in
:16:31. > :16:38.discussion last summer and there were rumours before that. Even some
:16:39. > :16:44.jokes in pop culture on the Howard Stern Show before that. Why it pop
:16:45. > :16:47.now is simple. The intelligence community has been told by Donald
:16:48. > :16:51.Trump that they are one of his enemies, he has declared war on the
:16:52. > :16:54.US intelligence community, questioning their judgment,
:16:55. > :17:01.professionalism, and patria Chisholm. This is something you're
:17:02. > :17:05.going to see when they are up against the wall like this --
:17:06. > :17:09.patriotism. They will play with elbows out, and I don't blame them,
:17:10. > :17:15.he has put much more trust in VanderMeer Putin and the FSB rather
:17:16. > :17:23.than the CIA -- Vladimir Putin. Has he successfully batted this away? It
:17:24. > :17:29.is the biggest political bet he's going to make, that he can bluster
:17:30. > :17:33.his way out of this, that there is nothing there, that at no time in
:17:34. > :17:38.his trips to Russia did he engage in any behaviour that was caught on
:17:39. > :17:42.tape and that's a big bet. If he's right, he's right, but if not it
:17:43. > :17:43.will have significant consequences for his credibility. Thank you for
:17:44. > :17:46.joining us. The pressure and strain that the NHS
:17:47. > :17:49.is under has been well It's experiencing its worst ever
:17:50. > :17:54.winter crisis, the Royal College of Physicians and the Royal College
:17:55. > :17:59.of Nursing has warned. Many patients are not receiving
:18:00. > :18:01.care when they need it. The government's target
:18:02. > :18:03.for A patients to be treated within four hours,
:18:04. > :18:06.hasn't been met for 16 months - a target that is speculated
:18:07. > :18:08.will be soon adjusted. Beds are being blocked,
:18:09. > :18:12.causing much-needed operations to be delayed, with the head of NHS
:18:13. > :18:15.England calling for extra funding for social care so that
:18:16. > :18:17.patients can be released. Chris Cook, Policy Editor,
:18:18. > :18:27.is tracking the problems There's a documentary that is
:18:28. > :18:33.reflecting the challenges that NHS is facing. That's right, Hospital,
:18:34. > :18:38.BBC Two on Wednesday, it is excellent and we are going to show
:18:39. > :18:48.you a clip which illustrates the important challenge facing the NHS,
:18:49. > :18:54.the delayed transfer of care, called a Detoc, meaning a patient who needs
:18:55. > :18:58.care, but the hospital would like to be delivered by somebody else,
:18:59. > :19:05.cannot be moved out because the next person in the chain of care is not
:19:06. > :19:08.ready to take them. These Detocs are a serious problem because it means
:19:09. > :19:12.there are not enough beds in the hospital, the patient can get stuck
:19:13. > :19:15.in the wrong place and it can gum up everything. If you can't admit new
:19:16. > :19:20.patients, that is difficult for because the two to deal with and it
:19:21. > :19:24.feeds into the A problems. The case were about to see is from the
:19:25. > :19:30.documentary, a patient called Dolly. 91-year-old Dolly is waiting to find
:19:31. > :19:34.out if she can be discharged today. When we saw you earlier
:19:35. > :19:43.on this morning, you were As you know, we'd hoped to get
:19:44. > :19:47.you home later, well, not home, but to Willesden Community Hospital
:19:48. > :19:50.this morning for a bit of rehabilitation and
:19:51. > :19:51.some convalescence. But I think given that
:19:52. > :19:54.you had your collapse this morning, we should probably keep an eye
:19:55. > :19:56.on you here. So what I think we're going to do
:19:57. > :20:01.is hang on to you for at least another 24-hours and then we'll send
:20:02. > :20:04.the referral again But unfortunately, because they've
:20:05. > :20:07.given the bed up to another patient this morning,
:20:08. > :20:09.we might end up having to keep you in here for a few more days
:20:10. > :20:13.while we wait for it The problems that we face can only
:20:14. > :20:21.be solved really by social services creating spaces for people
:20:22. > :20:23.in accommodation, be that for homeless drug users
:20:24. > :20:25.or for people awaiting rehousing There's a big disconnect
:20:26. > :20:30.between the NHS and social services and the NHS gets blamed quite a lot
:20:31. > :20:33.for problems in the community which are rarely slightly outside
:20:34. > :20:49.of our remit and outside You can see the concern. It is on
:20:50. > :20:54.the consultant's face. I wonder how big a problem this is and how it is
:20:55. > :20:58.reflected in the NHS. This morning we got a big dump of data from the
:20:59. > :21:04.NHS which included the results of the monthly survey they do, one
:21:05. > :21:11.night they go around and check how many Detocs are happening across NHS
:21:12. > :21:15.England. We can show on a graft. This is the number of delayed
:21:16. > :21:22.transfers of care on that night each month going back to 2011. There's
:21:23. > :21:27.quite a clear pattern. If we draw a line in 2013 it becomes more
:21:28. > :21:31.obvious. On the left-hand side, it bombs around and there is a clear
:21:32. > :21:36.seasonal pattern but it is basically flat. Since 2013 it has been riding
:21:37. > :21:41.very steadily and it has been accelerating recently. It may help
:21:42. > :21:49.to understand more if we pull out a number for 2013 and the number for
:21:50. > :21:55.November, 2016. The number has gone from about 4200, to 6000, a 60%
:21:56. > :22:00.increase in the number of people stuck in hospital overnight on
:22:01. > :22:05.census day. The reason for the rise is quite complicated but broadly
:22:06. > :22:12.speaking, 10% of people are waiting for the residential care and 25% are
:22:13. > :22:17.looking to go to a nursing home and others are looking for some kind of
:22:18. > :22:22.support package. Of the extra, the big rise that's causing the
:22:23. > :22:27.problems, about is caused by local authority social services not being
:22:28. > :22:31.able to cope and 40% is the internal problems within the NHS. Thank you
:22:32. > :22:33.for joining us. No doubt we will talk about this again.
:22:34. > :22:36.Cyprus is a country that has been split since 1974 -
:22:37. > :22:39.an island that many of us know as a popular holiday destination
:22:40. > :22:42.bathed in Mediterranean sun - not overshadowed by a history
:22:43. > :22:49.UN peacekeeping forces estimate that 165,000 Greek Cypriots fled
:22:50. > :22:53.or were expelled from the north, and 45,000 Turkish Cypriots from
:22:54. > :22:56.the south, during the conflict - others say the figures
:22:57. > :23:01.Greece and Turkey are now working towards the reunification
:23:02. > :23:06.of the island, with talks in Geneva bringing the two sides
:23:07. > :23:10.But there will be many sticking points during the negotiations.
:23:11. > :23:19.Selin Girit has this report from the island.
:23:20. > :23:24.There is something very eerie about this place.
:23:25. > :23:28.This used to be the main International Airport in Cyprus.
:23:29. > :23:30.Now it's been abandoned for over 40 years.
:23:31. > :23:34.I'm in the middle of the buffer zone.
:23:35. > :23:43.Nicosia is Europe's the last divided city.
:23:44. > :23:52.Its ghost airport, a monument to the scars it bears.
:23:53. > :23:55.In 1974, a Greek inspired military coup in the South was met
:23:56. > :23:58.with a Turkish invasion of the North.
:23:59. > :24:06.But it has led to almost half a century of ethnic division.
:24:07. > :24:09.The internationally-recognised Greek Cypriot government controls
:24:10. > :24:11.the south of the island, while Turkish Cypriots
:24:12. > :24:26.The 66-year-old Turkish Cypriot lives on the border town of Morphe.
:24:27. > :24:36.The 60s and 70s saw hundreds of thousands forced to relocate.
:24:37. > :24:44.Moved north in a population exchange.
:24:45. > :24:49.You are taken from your house, from your village.
:24:50. > :24:54.You are being moved to some unknown town.
:24:55. > :25:00.Like many people living in Morphe he was given a house that used
:25:01. > :25:06.The Geneva talks could see the town change hands and people
:25:07. > :25:13.Despite nearly half a century here, he's remarkably philosophical.
:25:14. > :25:16.I can't say that I will be so sad to give the house
:25:17. > :25:27.I don't want my children to live the wars that we have lived.
:25:28. > :25:32.So it is more important to find a solution, to have peace,
:25:33. > :25:41.than to move from one house to another.
:25:42. > :25:44.He tells me, "if I have to move out from here,
:25:45. > :25:48.I will have another garden in the new home that I make."
:25:49. > :25:51.But his attitude is not shared by everyone in Morphe.
:25:52. > :25:57.For some, any change will be painful and bitterly opposed.
:25:58. > :26:05.A few miles down the road, at an orthodox cemetery,
:26:06. > :26:09.there is a reminder that many lost more than their homes.
:26:10. > :26:13.Here, Greek and Turkish Cypriot archaeologists work side-by-side,
:26:14. > :26:16.digging deep trenches to find and identify people who went missing
:26:17. > :26:22.They have already dug out the remains of 25 people
:26:23. > :26:26.It's a big deal for both communities.
:26:27. > :26:33.And by finding these people you are delivering them back
:26:34. > :26:37.to the family so they can have a proper burial,
:26:38. > :26:41.they can have their family visiting the grave.
:26:42. > :26:45.And so this trauma will close, it will heal.
:26:46. > :26:51.Once bodies are found, they are brought here.
:26:52. > :26:54.At the lab at the Committee of Missing People, the process
:26:55. > :27:02.Sometimes it takes a long time to reconstruct it from small pieces.
:27:03. > :27:06.At the end, I think we have a good result.
:27:07. > :27:14.So far we have identified about 720 individuals on both communities.
:27:15. > :27:20.And the total number of the missing people is about 2,000.
:27:21. > :27:26.But that means over 1,000 still lie in the Cypriot soil.
:27:27. > :27:31.If there was not a coup, was there an invasion?
:27:32. > :27:33.One of them is one victim's younger brother, George.
:27:34. > :27:41.He was a nice, good-looking young man.
:27:42. > :27:50.This is a very deep wound which will stay there.
:27:51. > :27:53.The wound may close but the big scar will stay there
:27:54. > :28:00.I don't believe a solution will come in the next two
:28:01. > :28:06.If they start changing the education system,
:28:07. > :28:09.if they start changing things, even now they are spreading
:28:10. > :28:29.So what we have here is exceptional, if you think of what this country
:28:30. > :28:36.Half of this table is Turkish Cypriot and the other
:28:37. > :28:44.They are drinking their traditional drink and toasting to
:28:45. > :28:48.This is not the last chance for peace.
:28:49. > :28:51.We, the new generation, we create the piece.
:28:52. > :28:55.I am waiting for this all of my life.
:28:56. > :29:01.I'm so excited and the same time, emotional.
:29:02. > :29:05.This time, they woke up from the ten years sleeping and now it's time
:29:06. > :29:11.for us to have a change in our island.
:29:12. > :29:13.In Geneva, a game of diplomacy is on, which move to make?
:29:14. > :29:23.Here in Cyprus, the hope is neither side loses.
:29:24. > :29:25.We are joined by the North Cyprus Representative
:29:26. > :29:28.We did ask the Cypriot government for an interview,
:29:29. > :29:32.but they were not able to give us anyone.
:29:33. > :29:43.Welcome. We have just understood that the talks finished a short time
:29:44. > :29:48.ago in Geneva without agreement. They will reconvene on January 18.
:29:49. > :29:55.There seem to be some sticking points. What do you think they might
:29:56. > :30:00.be? I think right now the Turkish Cypriots side is determined to
:30:01. > :30:06.continue with the talks in Geneva until we reach a final solution.
:30:07. > :30:11.What would be the sticking points? There may be more than one sticking
:30:12. > :30:16.point. Each and every item will be considered. Let's talk about one
:30:17. > :30:24.that has been brought up. Grease once its territory increased. It
:30:25. > :30:28.would mean that Turkey's portion of land would be diminished. Is that
:30:29. > :30:34.realistic to expect the Turkish Cypriots side to agree to that? I
:30:35. > :30:38.think the Turkish Cypriots side is there to negotiate the issue of
:30:39. > :30:43.territory as well as any other issue. And yes, both sides will make
:30:44. > :30:49.their demands. I think the Turkish Cypriots side really wants to do a
:30:50. > :30:53.minimal uprooting of people when the issue of territory will be
:30:54. > :31:01.discussed. How much of an effect would 6% have? I wouldn't be able to
:31:02. > :31:04.tell you that. But we will -- there will be percentages discussed and
:31:05. > :31:08.with they will reach a mutually agreeable solution. But the most
:31:09. > :31:11.important thing for Turkish Cypriots is to have a minimal number of
:31:12. > :31:16.people uprooted from their current homes. The reason I ask you about
:31:17. > :31:22.this is that President Erdogan has been quite reluctant to exceed any
:31:23. > :31:31.land or change this percentage and this will be a sticking point. We
:31:32. > :31:36.don't want this, surely, to be this the state of play moving forward? I
:31:37. > :31:43.think the Turkish Cypriots side really wants to move on because the
:31:44. > :31:50.negotiations have started in 1968. 448 years, we have been negotiating,
:31:51. > :31:53.to reach a final agreement, a settlement agreement, which will
:31:54. > :31:59.hopefully be taken to a referendum by both sides simultaneously. Before
:32:00. > :32:05.we talk about the referendum and when they may take place, there are
:32:06. > :32:08.30,000 troops come Turkish troops, patrolling the north. How open is
:32:09. > :32:12.the negotiating table from the Turkish Cypriot side to them being
:32:13. > :32:19.removed, being made part of the UN peacekeeping force? As you know, the
:32:20. > :32:29.UN peacekeeping force arrived in March 19 64. Turkish troops came in
:32:30. > :32:33.1974. Things have happened between the two dates. If any issue of
:32:34. > :32:38.troops is going to be discussed, I'm sure it will be discussed. What do
:32:39. > :32:44.you think the likely conclusion is? I cannot guess. No one can guess.
:32:45. > :32:52.I'm sure even people in Geneva cannot guess. It's a question of
:32:53. > :32:57.discussions. People may have expectations. But when you are doing
:32:58. > :33:02.negotiations, you are trying to reach something mutually agreeable.
:33:03. > :33:06.How likely do you think there will be success? There is a specific
:33:07. > :33:11.timetable. There is hope the referendum can take place by the end
:33:12. > :33:17.of April. Is that likely to happen? If things continue in Geneva, why
:33:18. > :33:25.not? It's all a question of intent. So we could see a reunified Cyprus
:33:26. > :33:28.by the end of this year? I hope so. If possible. Thank you very much for
:33:29. > :33:29.joining us. Thank you. Wayne McGregor has now been resident
:33:30. > :33:33.choreographer at the Royal Ballet in London for a decade -
:33:34. > :33:36.the first person in that role to come from a contemporary
:33:37. > :33:37.dance background. A high accolade, on top
:33:38. > :33:40.of his already impressive He has collaborated
:33:41. > :33:46.with high-profile musicians such as the White Stripes,
:33:47. > :33:48.Paloma Faith and He's also choreographed films
:33:49. > :33:51.including Fantastic Beasts, Our Special Correspondent,
:33:52. > :33:55.Katie Razzall, has been hearing According to him, there
:33:56. > :34:09.is a dancer in us all. What's amazing about dance is it's
:34:10. > :34:11.connected to everybody As likely to work with Radiohead
:34:12. > :34:21.as the Royal Ballet, at his best Wayne McGregor's
:34:22. > :34:23.choreography fuses dance, Not bad for a boy from
:34:24. > :34:38.Stockport who found early What was it about John Travolta that
:34:39. > :34:47.got you into this whole thing? I think it was just his
:34:48. > :34:49.passion for dancing. He just kind of came
:34:50. > :34:52.alive on the dance floor. And you see this physical
:34:53. > :34:55.kind of vitality. It's just amazing when you see
:34:56. > :34:59.somebody kind of live So I started ballroom
:35:00. > :35:07.dancing lessons, disco Some people like to dance
:35:08. > :35:15.when no one is looking. I think what's interesting
:35:16. > :35:18.is everybody has a personal So when I came in the room and met
:35:19. > :35:26.you today, I already have a sense of something about you,
:35:27. > :35:28.the way in which you greeted me, the way in which you had eye
:35:29. > :35:32.contact, the way in which your body How far or how distanced
:35:33. > :35:35.you started to communicate, In a way choreography or dance
:35:36. > :35:39.making is about that. It's about that
:35:40. > :35:42.transaction of energy. There's just something primal
:35:43. > :35:44.about ideas of physicality that A one-time research fellow
:35:45. > :35:51.at Cambridge University, McGregor's fascination with science
:35:52. > :35:54.and technology has seen him collaborate with neurologists
:35:55. > :36:15.to understand more about how mind And what that means for the creative
:36:16. > :36:16.process. It is partly just a fascination of what happens
:36:17. > :36:18.cognitively when you are moving. In the olden days we would have this
:36:19. > :36:21.idea that the brain and body This kind of sense that
:36:22. > :36:24.we're all just walking But actually we know, and we know
:36:25. > :36:28.this because of in-body technology, the way in which we are using
:36:29. > :36:31.technology now, that actually And I'm just interested to find
:36:32. > :36:34.out more about that. What does it mean to
:36:35. > :36:36.think about something? If I'm about to reach
:36:37. > :36:41.and touch your shoulder, already I've got a sense of how far
:36:42. > :36:45.I have to reach before I touch you, All those things happen intuitively
:36:46. > :36:49.in my brain before I do it. And that's a version
:36:50. > :36:51.of physical thinking. And what we're doing
:36:52. > :36:53.as dancers is doing a more A decade into his role
:36:54. > :37:00.as resident choreography at London's the Royal Ballet,
:37:01. > :37:02.McGregor is rehearsing a revival There you go, there
:37:03. > :37:20.you go, you do it. You already have a kinaesthetic
:37:21. > :37:30.response to that. That sense of sound shapes the
:37:31. > :37:33.dynamic. My job in a way is to recognise
:37:34. > :37:36.what that special signature is, what that feel is, and use it
:37:37. > :37:39.to develop something that says something about our ideas,
:37:40. > :37:41.that says something about you. What are you trying
:37:42. > :37:44.to say about the world? I think I'm trying to say
:37:45. > :37:49.that the world isn't complete. It's a partial view,
:37:50. > :37:52.it's fragmented. There are a lot of those
:37:53. > :37:58.old-fashioned traditional ballet They can keep thinking there are,
:37:59. > :38:02.but why would there be? And we don't want an art
:38:03. > :38:06.form that is dying. We want an art form that
:38:07. > :38:08.truly vibrant and alive, I mean, are there
:38:09. > :38:14.issues you care about? I think making art is
:38:15. > :38:18.political in itself. Education is political,
:38:19. > :38:20.empowering people to think creatively and challenge
:38:21. > :38:25.the system is political. This is one of the big challenges
:38:26. > :38:28.of the stem argument, this reduction of arts
:38:29. > :38:30.education in schools. It's really important
:38:31. > :38:32.first of all to get those One of the drivers to get
:38:33. > :38:36.them into school is very And then to see the crosstalk
:38:37. > :38:40.between maths and music, rhythm and mathematics,
:38:41. > :38:44.organisation and spatial organisation, really
:38:45. > :38:46.important terms of geometry. There are some important
:38:47. > :38:49.ways in which these In his quest for crosstalk, McGregor
:38:50. > :38:57.has collaborated with a whole host From Mark Wallinger
:38:58. > :39:02.and the White Stripes, to Mark Ronson, Paloma Faith
:39:03. > :39:08.and Radiohead's Thom Yorke. And he has an amazing ability to be
:39:09. > :39:15.really real and just be himself. That's why you get this
:39:16. > :39:20.amazing raw physicality. I guess when you're working
:39:21. > :39:22.with somebody like that, my job is to recognise it,
:39:23. > :39:24.find it, and just It's not to go, "Well,
:39:25. > :39:29.let's move like this." The technological process
:39:30. > :39:35.of that is very different. That pushes some of your
:39:36. > :39:37.buttons, doesn't it? And it was one shot,
:39:38. > :39:41.you probably noticed. So the camera shows four
:39:42. > :39:43.and a half minutes. And then that really,
:39:44. > :39:48.really long technological process. Please join me in welcoming
:39:49. > :39:52.the lovely ladies... As movement director
:39:53. > :40:00.on this Harry Potter, But there's a Wayne McGregor
:40:01. > :40:05.signature to Alexander Skarsgard's performance in The Legend of Tarzan,
:40:06. > :40:11.if you look carefully. And his latest endeavour
:40:12. > :40:17.was Fantastic Beasts. When you're working
:40:18. > :40:19.on something like the obscurus in Fantastic Beasts,
:40:20. > :40:21.how can you make some physical activity that then
:40:22. > :40:23.is motion-captured that But it's also about
:40:24. > :40:26.characterisation, finding small physical detail,
:40:27. > :40:28.and so there is a huge amount of choreographers working in film,
:40:29. > :40:31.or movement directors in film, What we do physically
:40:32. > :40:41.and constantly, we get into habits. We live our lives in
:40:42. > :40:43.a very habit-formed way. I think to remain curious
:40:44. > :40:50.and open to the world, you really have too actively change
:40:51. > :40:52.something about yourself, whether that's watching the kinds
:40:53. > :40:56.of films you never normally watch, whether that's going to a gig
:40:57. > :40:59.you never normally go to, whether that's watching dancing
:41:00. > :41:02.the way that you wouldn't, whether that's picking up poetry,
:41:03. > :41:04.it doesn't really matter. And I think that keeps you really
:41:05. > :41:07.engaged and alive, and all your And I think that's what we always
:41:08. > :41:16.want in life, to be highly attuned. And you can watch Katie Razzall's
:41:17. > :41:19.full interview with Wayne McGregor James O'Brien will be here tomorrow
:41:20. > :41:43.night. Goodbye. Good evening. A wintry night out
:41:44. > :41:46.there. Sleet and snow showers pushing south during the course of
:41:47. > :41:48.the night. First thing in