:00:00. > :00:09.The project to "Make America Great Again" begins in earnest.
:00:10. > :00:20.Team Trump is fully assembled and, they say, ready for action.
:00:21. > :00:27.My name is Donald Trump, and I am the largest developer in New York...
:00:28. > :00:29.To think a man better known for his celebrity could become president.
:00:30. > :00:37.So help us God, we will make America great again.
:00:38. > :00:40.Documentary-maker Michael Cockerell has been asking,
:00:41. > :00:43.do Ronald and Donald share more than we yet know?
:00:44. > :00:46.The Muslim mother of a US war hero gives us her message for Trump.
:00:47. > :00:49.I don't need his apologies because he's his type of person.
:00:50. > :00:52.I don't believe and I don't expect anything from him.
:00:53. > :00:55.Trump's battle cry against elites is reverberating around the West
:00:56. > :00:58.and found its way into the Swiss citadel of the global elite
:00:59. > :01:02.in Davos, where the Prime Minister today delivered this warning.
:01:03. > :01:07.Talk of greater globalisation can make people fearful.
:01:08. > :01:13.For many, it means their jobs being outsourced and wages undercut.
:01:14. > :01:18.as they watch their communities change around them.
:01:19. > :01:21.the Canadian academic and former Liberal Party leader,
:01:22. > :01:38.if the revolt against globalisation can or can't be stopped.
:01:39. > :01:41.Good evening from Washington on the eve of a seminal moment
:01:42. > :01:43.for America - the inauguration of Donald Trump.
:01:44. > :01:44.Tonight, we begin to witness the transition
:01:45. > :01:49.to America's first non-politician as president.
:01:50. > :01:53.The Trump cabinet, collective net worth some 14 billion,
:01:54. > :01:56.is fully assembled, and they're calling the theme
:01:57. > :02:02.of the transition "Uniquely American".
:02:03. > :02:04.Today saw a ceremonial wreath-laying at Arlington Cemetry,
:02:05. > :02:09.and a lunch at - you guessed it - Trump International Hotel.
:02:10. > :02:11.Washington, DC feels packed with a nervous energy,
:02:12. > :02:18.but here's the thing no-one can tell you.
:02:19. > :02:20.Are the people lining its streets Trump supporters
:02:21. > :02:21.who've travelled here from across America,
:02:22. > :02:23.or protesters who have come to raise their voice
:02:24. > :02:27.against the inexorable movement of history?
:02:28. > :02:29.Tonight, we talk to those who welcome
:02:30. > :02:32.and to those who fear the 45th Presidency.
:02:33. > :02:36.And we start by welcoming Joel Pollack,
:02:37. > :02:37.the senior editor at large from Breitbart News,
:02:38. > :02:43.and Bob Woodward, the investigative journalist of Watergate fame.
:02:44. > :02:51.Very nice to have you both here, I am going to start with you, the team
:02:52. > :02:55.is calling this uniquely American, what to make of that, how should we
:02:56. > :02:59.interpret that? What is really interesting about it is it has the
:03:00. > :03:04.same feeling as the Republican convention in Cleveland, when many
:03:05. > :03:09.of the big lobbyists stayed away, the celebrity stayed away, because
:03:10. > :03:14.they were a little bit and easy about what Donald Trump meant. As a
:03:15. > :03:18.result, it was more populous, and it is feeling the same in Washington,
:03:19. > :03:22.DC today, the people coming here are people from all corners of the
:03:23. > :03:26.country who are salt of the Americans, they are here because
:03:27. > :03:32.they want to see him take the oath, and this is their party. I guess is
:03:33. > :03:36.democracy at its most bold, a country that started from scratch,
:03:37. > :03:39.and elected somebody with no experience, no legislative
:03:40. > :03:44.experience, yes, you can have the highest office in the land, what
:03:45. > :03:49.does it tell you? It is so interesting, because tomorrow, when
:03:50. > :03:54.Trump becomes president, there is automatically, because he is
:03:55. > :04:00.president, moral authority bestowed upon him, and the goodwill of most
:04:01. > :04:07.people, actually, even people who don't trust him, don't like him. The
:04:08. > :04:13.fascinating question is going to be, when he gives that speech, what is
:04:14. > :04:20.the tone going to be? Does he, in a sense, say, you know, look, the
:04:21. > :04:24.campaign is over, as he said when he declared victory in the night of the
:04:25. > :04:32.election? Unifying moment. Will he do that again, and will this
:04:33. > :04:38.goodwill that normally comes to a president come to him? Now, he is
:04:39. > :04:44.lower in the polls, there is more anxiety, I think you would agree,
:04:45. > :04:50.more uncertainty, but at least for the first few days, I think he is in
:04:51. > :04:53.the driver's seat. And how do you approach? Many will remember that
:04:54. > :04:58.yours was the journalism that brought down a president, Nixon, and
:04:59. > :05:06.yours will be seen as the journalism that is propping up a president. How
:05:07. > :05:11.do you work through that dichotomy? Well, for us, it is a bit of a
:05:12. > :05:15.challenge, because we were seen as very much broke Trump, but our
:05:16. > :05:19.readers are quite harsh on us. In this era of new media, you have very
:05:20. > :05:23.little room to deviate from what your audience expects, and we are a
:05:24. > :05:27.conservative website at the core. The fact that Donald Trump was the
:05:28. > :05:31.nominee meant that we supported him because that is what we do, but
:05:32. > :05:34.there was a lot of criticism, I criticised him on several occasions
:05:35. > :05:39.when I disagreed with him, and if we stray from principle into political
:05:40. > :05:44.support for Donald Trump, I think our readers would be unforgiving.
:05:45. > :05:48.Can he be held to account? Of course, he will be held to account,
:05:49. > :05:53.and that the same time, the journalists, a lot of journalists
:05:54. > :06:00.are rattled, because this was an quite frankly lots of people in
:06:01. > :06:08.journalism do not like him. My view is the job of the reporter is to be
:06:09. > :06:16.so neutral you cannot stand it and to deal with facts, but also be
:06:17. > :06:19.aggressive. And I think that is really an important cultural moment
:06:20. > :06:26.for the media, are we going to be able to rise to that obligation? We
:06:27. > :06:29.are going to pick up with these points in a few moments.
:06:30. > :06:31.Donald Trump represents the archetypal showman.
:06:32. > :06:33.The actor, the man who made his name not from politics
:06:34. > :06:36.And although it feels unprecedented right now,
:06:37. > :06:39.in some ways it's not - America did it once before,
:06:40. > :06:46.36 years ago when they elected the film star Ronald Reagan,
:06:47. > :06:49.a man whose legacy now dictates is up there
:06:50. > :06:50.with some of the presidential greats.
:06:51. > :06:52.Documentary film-maker Michael Cockerell
:06:53. > :06:57.He looks at the parallels and sometimes startling differences
:06:58. > :07:05.In the traditional motion-picture story,
:07:06. > :07:08.the villains are usually defeated, the ending is a happy one.
:07:09. > :07:11.I can make no such promise for the picture you're about to watch.
:07:12. > :07:13.Well, sure, I'd love to take off my hat,
:07:14. > :07:16.it's actually my hair, you know! I have lots of witnesses, so it is.
:07:17. > :07:22.But hey, it's mine, it may not be pretty, but it's mine.
:07:23. > :07:26.Both Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan had a number of things in common,
:07:27. > :07:29.including the slogan that Reagan had used
:07:30. > :07:33.to launch his 1980 presidential campaign.
:07:34. > :07:37.Let us pledge to each other, with this great lady looking on,
:07:38. > :07:44.that we can and, so help us God, we will make America great again.
:07:45. > :07:53.And we will make America great again!
:07:54. > :07:59.God bless you and good night, I love you!
:08:00. > :08:01.I think he just brings an optimism back to the United States
:08:02. > :08:08.Of all the presidents in the post-war era,
:08:09. > :08:11.Ronald Reagan was the one about whom the establishment
:08:12. > :08:16.in Washington, DC was the most apprehensive - before Donald Trump.
:08:17. > :08:19.And Reagan, like Trump, was perceived as an outsider,
:08:20. > :08:24.an American nationalist, someone that didn't appreciate the world.
:08:25. > :08:28.So in that sense, the two of them were the two figures,
:08:29. > :08:31.I think, who became president who were the most feared
:08:32. > :08:39.Reagan and Trump were, at the age of 70,
:08:40. > :08:43.the oldest ever US presidents to be elected.
:08:44. > :08:47.The two right-wing Republicans had been Democrats in their youth,
:08:48. > :08:51.and both had taken an unorthodox route to the White House.
:08:52. > :08:56.I'm the one they're all talking about.
:08:57. > :09:04.I'd started as sort of an Errol Flynn of the Bs.
:09:05. > :09:09.Tough luck, son, I guess we can't all have charm and good looks too.
:09:10. > :09:26.I made about eight of those in 11 months.
:09:27. > :09:32.I was brave, but in a kind of low-budget fashion!
:09:33. > :09:36.New York City, and in this town the sky's the limit.
:09:37. > :09:45.Donald Trump was rather less low-budget.
:09:46. > :09:49.and I'm the largest developer in New York.
:09:50. > :09:52.but I also own golf courses, resorts...
:09:53. > :09:56.He was a billionaire property tycoon
:09:57. > :10:07.I am officially running for President of the United States...
:10:08. > :10:11.The Donald finally announced he was running for the presidency
:10:12. > :10:17.and the severest doubts were raised about his fitness for office.
:10:18. > :10:24.Just as had happened with Ronald Reagan.
:10:25. > :10:29.I made a film about Reagan when he ran for president in 1980.
:10:30. > :10:32.He'd served for eight years as Governor of California,
:10:33. > :10:38.But he was still widely seen as a trigger-happy cowboy.
:10:39. > :10:46.I questioned Reagan at a rare press conference.
:10:47. > :10:48.From the BBC in London, do you have any doubts
:10:49. > :10:55.about your ability to play the role of America's leading man?
:10:56. > :10:57.Do I have any doubts about my ability
:10:58. > :11:01.to play the role of leading man in America?
:11:02. > :11:05.I've never thought of it that way, I left that profession.
:11:06. > :11:12.I have confidence, based on my experience as Governor,
:11:13. > :11:15.that I can offer a better solution to the problems
:11:16. > :11:17.than either of the men who are running against me.
:11:18. > :11:20.Reagan's campaign meetings are expensively
:11:21. > :11:30.stage-managed spectaculars, made for the television cameras.
:11:31. > :11:35.in taking government off the backs of the American people
:11:36. > :11:40.and turning you loose to do what I know you can do.
:11:41. > :11:43.For his supporters, Reagan was the strong man America needed
:11:44. > :11:46.to stand up to the Soviet Union and its other enemies abroad.
:11:47. > :11:51.For his opponents, Reagan was a warmonger
:11:52. > :11:56.who threatened to attack the Iranian ayatollahs,
:11:57. > :12:06.had been held hostage for over a year.
:12:07. > :12:09.Do you really think Iranian terrorists would have
:12:10. > :12:14.taken Americans hostage if Ronald Reagan were president?
:12:15. > :12:16.Do you really think the Russians would have invaded Afghanistan
:12:17. > :12:20.Do you really think third-rate military dictators
:12:21. > :12:22.would laugh at America and burn our flag in contempt
:12:23. > :12:30.As with Trump, the prospect of Ronald Reagan in the White House
:12:31. > :12:35.powerfully divided opinion on both sides of the Atlantic.
:12:36. > :12:37.From the day that Reagan won the election,
:12:38. > :12:40.the metropolitan liberal elite, the media elite,
:12:41. > :12:42.they condescended to him, they laughed at him.
:12:43. > :12:45.In fact, at no point during the eight years
:12:46. > :12:48.did they ever, ever concede that
:12:49. > :12:51.there might be a decent point that Reagan had to make.
:12:52. > :12:56.and I think most of my friends, we were afraid.
:12:57. > :13:01.How could a B movie actor suddenly be ruler of the world?
:13:02. > :13:04.Fear, his finger on the button, doddery, vague,
:13:05. > :13:15.would he have any idea what he was doing?
:13:16. > :13:17.Well, it's great to be here on Saturday Live.
:13:18. > :13:21.Well, it's great to be here on Saturday, anyway.
:13:22. > :13:23.I'm going to answer your questions,
:13:24. > :13:27.so fire away, fellas, as I said to the Sixth Fleet yesterday.
:13:28. > :13:31.What exactly are you doing over here?
:13:32. > :13:35.Well, sir, let me answer this way - I don't know.
:13:36. > :13:42.Pretty smart for a guy of 103, huh? Next answer, please.
:13:43. > :13:46.The satirists' victim, President Reagan arrived in Britain.
:13:47. > :13:52.he had a woman Prime Minister as his opposite number.
:13:53. > :13:56.She fiercely rejected Reagan's Spitting Image.
:13:57. > :13:59.In a way, there was a love story, a political love story
:14:00. > :14:01.between Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan.
:14:02. > :14:03.They found they believed in the same things,
:14:04. > :14:11.the same basic things, low taxes, strong defence, anti-Communism.
:14:12. > :14:20.We in Britain think you are a wonderful President.
:14:21. > :14:23.We share so many of the same goals and a determination to achieve them,
:14:24. > :14:27.that you summed up so well and unless I can cannot imitate this
:14:28. > :14:34.wonderful American English accent - "you ain't seen nothing yet!"
:14:35. > :14:38.I think President Reagan was a man who knew how to handle women,
:14:39. > :14:42.he spent a lifetime handling beautiful woman.
:14:43. > :14:51.She liked to be treated as a woman, not just a Prime Minister.
:14:52. > :14:57.Based on the career that I once had, before this one, you are a very
:14:58. > :15:04.Well, they both saw communism as fundamentally evil,
:15:05. > :15:09.that the communist system needed to be brought down and destroyed.
:15:10. > :15:12.This poster parodying the film Gone with the Wind was for the most
:15:13. > :15:18.She promised to follow him to the end of the earth.
:15:19. > :15:24.REPORTER: What do you have to say this morning, Mr President?
:15:25. > :15:29.But surprisingly, following Mrs Thatcher's example,
:15:30. > :15:33.Reagan made a U-turn and forged a strong relationship
:15:34. > :15:41.with Mikhail Gorbachev, the reformist Soviet leader.
:15:42. > :15:44.The two men met in Reykjavik, the Icelandic capital,
:15:45. > :15:47.and were to reach a deal on cutting back their countries'
:15:48. > :15:52.Donald Trump says he wants to follow suit and have a meeting
:15:53. > :15:54.with the current Russian leader, Vladimir Putin.
:15:55. > :15:58.I think there will be a summit in Reykjavik, even,
:15:59. > :16:04.Not unlike the summit between Reagan and Gorbachev some decades ago,
:16:05. > :16:08.where people were equally pessimistic and yet what resulted?
:16:09. > :16:22.So how does the veterinary US diplomat Raymond Sykes
:16:23. > :16:24.answer the great question about what is the exact nature
:16:25. > :16:35.But what is, really, President-elect Trump's view of Mr Putin?
:16:36. > :16:39.I don't think he's going to come over all soft and furry and be out
:16:40. > :16:42.there, allowing President Putin to stroke him and go
:16:43. > :16:51.The admiration between Putin and Trump is horrific.
:16:52. > :16:54.I don't think it'll last for any length of time because they are both
:16:55. > :16:57.dangerous narcissists, very easily offended and affronted.
:16:58. > :16:59.And one way or another, one will rub the other
:17:00. > :17:05.It seems Putin may well have all sorts of blackmail-able
:17:06. > :17:13.The notorious leaked dossier, with its lurid allegations
:17:14. > :17:18.of Donald Trump watching Russian prostitutes urinate on a bed
:17:19. > :17:22.in a Moscow hotel and any tapes of the so-called "golden shower",
:17:23. > :17:24.would provide the Kremlin with classic blackmail material.
:17:25. > :17:31.It's all fake news, it's phoney stuff.
:17:32. > :17:37.It was a group of opponents who got together, sick people,
:17:38. > :17:44.Does anybody really believe that story?
:17:45. > :17:46.I am also very much a germophobe, by the way.
:17:47. > :17:50.OK, fine, Russia hacked the election, are you happy?
:17:51. > :18:04.Are you sure Russia was behind hacking?
:18:05. > :18:31.I think there was a shared feeling that we were two
:18:32. > :18:36.of the most vilified people in the Western world!
:18:37. > :18:41.Well, thank you, and good evening, Mississippi.
:18:42. > :18:46.If I think back through all of it, what were the big contributions
:18:47. > :18:48.that I perhaps made, or the contributions I made
:18:49. > :18:50.towards the campaign, one was making Brexit part
:18:51. > :18:54.Something that he completely embraced.
:18:55. > :18:56.I think it's going to be a Brexit plus, plus, plus,
:18:57. > :19:03.I speak to Trump's team and Trump's close advisers and even
:19:04. > :19:12.None of them think Trump would have won unless Brexit had happened.
:19:13. > :19:16.So you helped make Donald Trump President?
:19:17. > :19:20.Well, it wasn't the direct object at the time!
:19:21. > :19:24.Of fighting for all those years for a referendum.
:19:25. > :19:28.But as a by-product, it was part of it, yes.
:19:29. > :19:33.That a lot of us who supported Trump also supported Brexit
:19:34. > :19:37.and English independence, if they wanted it, and a lot
:19:38. > :19:40.of the other countries, if they want to get out of the EU,
:19:41. > :19:45.We wanted to get out of the British Empire.
:19:46. > :19:48.Nigel Farage got his reward by becoming the first British
:19:49. > :19:51.politician to have a face-to-face meeting with President-elect
:19:52. > :19:55.While the British Prime Minister, Theresa May,
:19:56. > :20:01.Yes, I look forward to working with President-elect Trump.
:20:02. > :20:04.Any British Prime Minister, male or female, needs to get
:20:05. > :20:09.Even if you don't like them, even if you think they are half
:20:10. > :20:12.barmy, you really have to get on with them because that
:20:13. > :20:15.relationship is so important to the United Kingdom.
:20:16. > :20:17.I am just very interested to know your feelings
:20:18. > :20:19.before that meeting, bearing in mind some of the things
:20:20. > :20:26.I feel slightly awkward reading this out, but I do think it is important
:20:27. > :20:29.to re-hear what Donald Trump was recorded saying in the past,
:20:30. > :20:34.When you're a star, they let you do it, they let you do anything,
:20:35. > :20:39.I mean, forgetting the fact that you are Prime Minister for a moment,
:20:40. > :20:41.how does that make you feel as a woman?
:20:42. > :20:44.I think that is unacceptable and, in fact, Donald Trump himself has
:20:45. > :20:49.Whatever Trump's reputation, I am sure that when Mrs May goes
:20:50. > :20:51.into the Oval Office, there will not need to be
:20:52. > :20:55.I am sure this is all going to be absolutely...
:20:56. > :20:57.I thought you had volunteered at one stage?
:20:58. > :21:12.Donald Trump will go to Washington tomorrow as a political virgin.
:21:13. > :21:15.Having never before held any public office.
:21:16. > :21:21.He keeps in his own office a picture of his hero, Ronald Reagan,
:21:22. > :21:25.who had himself been much maligned as a dangerous maverick.
:21:26. > :21:29.So, does Reagan's record in the White House offer clues
:21:30. > :21:33.about how the new President, Donald J Trump, will perform?
:21:34. > :21:36.Ronnie was the outsider and he was a huge success.
:21:37. > :21:39.Trump, in some ways, is an even bigger outsider
:21:40. > :21:42.than Ronnie was and yet I feel pretty bullish, I feel
:21:43. > :21:46.pretty optimistic for what he is going to do.
:21:47. > :21:48.Donald Trump is even more frightening than Reagan, he seems
:21:49. > :21:55.He may end up being impeached within a very short period,
:21:56. > :21:57.within a very short time of his inauguration.
:21:58. > :22:01.On the other hand, it may end in tears for the rest of the world.
:22:02. > :22:03.If he is willing to pick fights with anybody, anyywhere,
:22:04. > :22:07.and his finger is on the nuclear button, God help us all.
:22:08. > :22:11.They say in Washington that it is the job of every
:22:12. > :22:12.new administration to make the previous
:22:13. > :22:29.And that won't be hard for Trump to do, I don't think!
:22:30. > :22:37.Joel Pollack and Bob Woodward join me.
:22:38. > :22:46.Thanks for sticking around. Cavalier was a word used about Reagan and it
:22:47. > :22:51.is being applied to Donald Trump, is that something that people have got
:22:52. > :22:56.wrong? He has a strategy? I have been able to do some reporting on
:22:57. > :23:02.this and if you look at what they want to do, Trump and his advisers,
:23:03. > :23:09.regarding Russia, it is this outreach to Vladimir Putin, which is
:23:10. > :23:12.a love -fest on one level and on the other, this is the second part of
:23:13. > :23:20.the strategy, to be tough with Vladimir Putin and build up the
:23:21. > :23:25.military and I think it is highly possible that the Trump
:23:26. > :23:31.administration will do some things that Putin is going to hate. In a
:23:32. > :23:37.way it is a classic Ronald Reagan two track, soft and hard. Does
:23:38. > :23:42.Breitbart step in when you hear about Russian hacking and leaks? Do
:23:43. > :23:46.you act as journalists who want to stop the closeness between Trump and
:23:47. > :23:52.Russia or think, where is this taking is? I criticised some of the
:23:53. > :23:56.Trump policies on Russia during the campaign because so many seemed to
:23:57. > :24:01.mirror what Obama tried, when he ran for office in 2007, he seemed to
:24:02. > :24:05.believe he could sit down with anybody and get along and it would
:24:06. > :24:08.be simple and Trump believed he would have a better success at the
:24:09. > :24:12.same thing because he had more experience in business as an
:24:13. > :24:16.Executive but I think Russian interests sometimes align with our
:24:17. > :24:21.own but sometimes not added means there will be conflict between any
:24:22. > :24:27.administration and Russia but as Bob said, the Trump team has developed a
:24:28. > :24:30.more nuanced policy, talking tough on nuclear stockpiles and building
:24:31. > :24:36.up the military... You signed quite optimistic about the future? People
:24:37. > :24:43.can have strategies and sometimes they work and sometimes they failed
:24:44. > :24:47.disastrously. We don't know. It is in the Reagan model, Ronald Reagan
:24:48. > :24:53.had eight years, he started very tough, remember, tear down the wall?
:24:54. > :25:00.Reagan called the Soviet Union the evil Empire and then with Gorbachev,
:25:01. > :25:06.there was a outreach. We have this Cabinet which is more like a bunch
:25:07. > :25:12.of CEOs, ?14 billion net worth with some estimates, does that worry you?
:25:13. > :25:20.The country is in the hands of 18 white rich men? Not at all. He has
:25:21. > :25:23.picked people with a track record of Executive experience, he has chosen
:25:24. > :25:27.people at the top of their field who he trusts with large government
:25:28. > :25:31.departments. Your former boss in the middle of that, how do you criticise
:25:32. > :25:38.anything the administration is doing when Steve Bannon is in there? We do
:25:39. > :25:43.that all the time, I have done this a dozen times in different articles,
:25:44. > :25:47.disagreeing with things, and we used to go to -2 on policy issues and
:25:48. > :25:52.that is a kind of team of rivals that Trump has assembled. Barack
:25:53. > :25:56.Obama got credit for this but Trump even more so, men and women with
:25:57. > :26:02.opinions. The people who rallied for Trump think they are voting and
:26:03. > :26:06.non-elitist President, that is what he sold them, does a Cabinet that
:26:07. > :26:15.worry you? We will see. You can have lots of money and do things for real
:26:16. > :26:23.people and the question is, are the policies going to be against people
:26:24. > :26:28.or pro-people? If the person on the street says, you know, Trump and
:26:29. > :26:32.this rich Cabinet are looking out for me, which they might, under the
:26:33. > :26:39.same time they might look out business interests in a way that is
:26:40. > :26:40.perceived to be an Thai people? Nicky you both very much. -- against
:26:41. > :26:42.people. At the height of the summer,
:26:43. > :26:44.Donald Trump waded into a row from which many thought
:26:45. > :26:46.he would not recover. He taunted the grieving parents
:26:47. > :26:49.of an American war wero, Humayun Khan, a soldier killed
:26:50. > :26:55.saving others in Iraq. Humayun's father had berated Trump
:26:56. > :26:59.for his anti-Muslim policies, accusing him of being
:27:00. > :27:04.unconstitutional and un-American. Trump turned his wrath
:27:05. > :27:07.on Humayun's mother, who stood at her husband's side,
:27:08. > :27:09.asking if she was gagged It was an extraordinary
:27:10. > :27:15.fight to pick. I travelled to meet the Khans
:27:16. > :27:18.at their home in Virginia to ask them what they thought
:27:19. > :27:22.about Trump, now. It was and remains really
:27:23. > :27:27.disheartening that such a rhetoric will have a place in the political
:27:28. > :27:33.discourse of this country. But he uttered those threats,
:27:34. > :27:40.not only to Muslim Americans He disrespected women
:27:41. > :27:46.and their dignity. He disrespected judges
:27:47. > :27:50.and their impartiality. All un-American, undemocratic
:27:51. > :27:54.political rhetoric. The general population,
:27:55. > :27:57.the majority of the population, is in support of Muslims
:27:58. > :28:01.and other minorities. They are in support
:28:02. > :28:03.of the constitutional Mrs Khan, Donald Trump singled
:28:04. > :28:08.you out for criticism when you stood next to your husband
:28:09. > :28:11.at the Democratic Convention, believing your silence
:28:12. > :28:14.was because of your religion, First, I was really surprised
:28:15. > :28:23.that he doesn't know They are as equal as their husbands
:28:24. > :28:35.or their fathers and their brothers. I was quiet, I told him I was quiet
:28:36. > :28:47.because of the situation. So I thought, if he can't feel
:28:48. > :28:58.the pain that I was going through on the stage,
:28:59. > :29:01.he can't feel anything, That we have lost a son,
:29:02. > :29:19.we gave up a son to this country, So it was very much
:29:20. > :29:31.a surprise for me. General Michael Flynn, who will be
:29:32. > :29:36.Trump's security adviser, is a man who described Islam
:29:37. > :29:41.as a vicious cancer. Your sense of what it will be like
:29:42. > :29:46.to have a Cabinet with him in it? Time after time, this incoming
:29:47. > :29:54.adviser to Trump has proven his ignorance,
:29:55. > :29:59.unbecoming of a military officer. I am amazed that with this
:30:00. > :30:03.ignorance, this individual was a general in the United States
:30:04. > :30:07.Army. But I have full faith
:30:08. > :30:14.in the patriotism of others that will surround him,
:30:15. > :30:19.they will render him ineffective. Did Mr Trump ever apologise
:30:20. > :30:22.to you for those comments? I don't need his apologies
:30:23. > :30:27.because he's his type of person. I don't believe and I don't
:30:28. > :30:31.expect anything from him. You don't ask these things
:30:32. > :30:41.from people that don't have hearts. I don't feel that his apology
:30:42. > :30:46.or his not apologising to me What do you expect
:30:47. > :30:56.from his Presidency? I don't expect anything
:30:57. > :30:59.from him or his Presidency. The office of the President
:31:00. > :31:02.is an amazingly powerful, respectful I fully acknowledge its impact
:31:03. > :31:17.on all but Trump was, had been and still is unqualified
:31:18. > :31:19.to be the President He is an illegitimate President
:31:20. > :31:24.of the United States. He did not win this election
:31:25. > :31:32.by the majority popular vote. He won the election
:31:33. > :31:34.because of the Electoral College. So the majority of the population
:31:35. > :31:37.of this country is still The Khan family talking to me
:31:38. > :31:57.earlier from their home in Virginia. a Muslim American journalist who's
:31:58. > :32:06.written of her support for Trump. I wonder if you came in for a lot of
:32:07. > :32:09.flak, supporting a man who many in the Muslim community have found to
:32:10. > :32:14.be deeply offensive. I got a lot of flak that only from Muslims, but
:32:15. > :32:18.also from fellow liberals and women. I was called names I have never
:32:19. > :32:22.heard before from my own community and those outside of it, and
:32:23. > :32:26.ultimately what I experienced is emblematic of this division that we
:32:27. > :32:30.have in our society, both from the right and the left, and what I wish
:32:31. > :32:35.people would do would be to come to the middle, where we see each
:32:36. > :32:39.other's humanity. So gender politics was thrown at you and it shouldn't
:32:40. > :32:42.have mattered? How do you explain what many people believed were
:32:43. > :32:48.deeply offensive policies? What I believe we should try to do is be
:32:49. > :32:54.the civility we want to see in the world, so if you want a gender
:32:55. > :32:58.politics to be expressed... I said gender, I meant identity politics.
:32:59. > :33:01.If you want to be treated respectfully, we must treat others
:33:02. > :33:10.respectfully, and I cast my ballot for a politician who is very
:33:11. > :33:14.indelicate in his language, he has no four play when he speaks to
:33:15. > :33:18.people. He was trying to implement all spoke at one point about
:33:19. > :33:24.implementing policies which would have stopped Muslim Americans from
:33:25. > :33:29.coming into the country, how do you handle that? A lot of that was a
:33:30. > :33:32.misrepresentation, he never said he would stop Muslim Americans from
:33:33. > :33:38.coming into the country, there was never a conversation about a Muslim
:33:39. > :33:43.registry, it was a very clear exit-entry registration programme
:33:44. > :33:47.that the Bush administration put in place, that the Obama administration
:33:48. > :33:52.had in place, but that does not sell hashtags. You didn't hear anything
:33:53. > :33:56.different from Donald Trump two previous presidents? We had the same
:33:57. > :34:00.kind of policy in place during the Bush administration, so this
:34:01. > :34:05.incredulity is what led to a situation where we could not have
:34:06. > :34:12.conversations, so even in the Muslim community, the liberal community, I
:34:13. > :34:16.couldn't speak up, and so we had people like myself who were silent,
:34:17. > :34:24.and we wouldn't speak, and so we cast our ballot, though, and that is
:34:25. > :34:27.what I did. And now I am on a hit list among my fellow liberals, you
:34:28. > :34:35.know, as somebody who has betrayed my nation... A hit list? What are
:34:36. > :34:39.you saying, that they couldn't take your vote seriously? Right, look at
:34:40. > :34:44.the politics that we are dealing with today, I mean, the idea that
:34:45. > :34:49.Donald Trump is an illegitimate president basically says that those
:34:50. > :34:54.of us who cast our vote for him are also illegitimate. So what this has
:34:55. > :34:57.done to me, it has continued the divisiveness in our country, and I
:34:58. > :35:02.think ultimately we have to respect the will of the people, and you can
:35:03. > :35:06.have your politics, but as a lifelong Democrat, I am more
:35:07. > :35:11.disappointed in the response that the Democrats have had in the months
:35:12. > :35:15.since the election. I would love to hear how a lifelong Democrat went
:35:16. > :35:20.for Donald Trump, but we have run out of time, thank you very much
:35:21. > :35:25.indeed for joining us here. Before we go, it is a curious thing, but
:35:26. > :35:29.here on Capitol Hill, it feels very silent right now, this is the heart
:35:30. > :35:36.of government in America, of course, and there is barely a sold witching.
:35:37. > :35:38.Why? Because all the action as by the Lincoln Memorial, the reflecting
:35:39. > :35:43.pool, and you can probably see the pictures of thousands of Trump
:35:44. > :35:48.supporters, thousands of people gathering to hear the bands. We
:35:49. > :35:52.understand that Donald Trump and his wife are, if not amongst them, at
:35:53. > :35:57.least enjoying the spectacle, looking on. This is part of the
:35:58. > :36:01.celebrations on the before inauguration, and you can see there
:36:02. > :36:05.have been a lot of people happy to come and take part in the
:36:06. > :36:07.inauguration ceremonies, as they are kicking off this evening here in the
:36:08. > :36:09.capital. That's just about it
:36:10. > :36:11.from here in Washington tonight. Tomorrow, just before noon,
:36:12. > :36:14.Donald Trump will be sworn in as the 45th President of
:36:15. > :36:16.the United States on Capitol Hill. But for now,
:36:17. > :36:24.back to Kirsty in London. What's happening in America
:36:25. > :36:28.tomorrow is, for many, and perhaps a revolution
:36:29. > :36:32.in global politics. Donald Trump won by winning
:36:33. > :36:34.over many of his fellow Americans who felt left behind
:36:35. > :36:35.by globalisation Similar concerns are being felt
:36:36. > :36:42.in continental Europe - making the Front National's
:36:43. > :36:44.Marine Le Pen a serious contender
:36:45. > :36:47.for the Elysee in France. Chancellor Angela Merkel
:36:48. > :36:50.is under pressure in Germany as are leaders in Italy,
:36:51. > :36:56.the Netherlands and Austria. In the UK, Theresa May
:36:57. > :36:59.set out her strategy the decision in part
:37:00. > :37:03.a rejection of globalisation Meanwhile, Vladimir Putin -
:37:04. > :37:10.sensing weakness in the West - extends his influence in
:37:11. > :37:16.the Middle East and Eastern Europe. Michael Ignatieff,
:37:17. > :37:17.the Canadian academic, writer and former politician,
:37:18. > :37:30.is with me. Good evening. Do you see a line that
:37:31. > :37:35.runs from Donald Trump through to Marine Le Pen, right on through to
:37:36. > :37:43.Eastern Europe and Hungary? I think that the line I do see is fear, back
:37:44. > :37:47.to globalisation. Globalisation is a very old story, we have been
:37:48. > :37:51.globalising for four centuries, but as long as it was securely
:37:52. > :37:56.controlled by our empires, we felt we could master globalisation. A lot
:37:57. > :38:00.of the fear in the United States has spread to Britain, a sense that we
:38:01. > :38:04.have lost control of globalisation, that it is now being powered by
:38:05. > :38:10.China, it is being powered by Asia, and we have lost control of it, and
:38:11. > :38:14.the minute we lose control of it, it begins to be threatening. You would
:38:15. > :38:18.have heard Nigel Farage saying that he felt, had it not been for Brexit,
:38:19. > :38:25.Donald Trump would not have won the election, what do you say to that? I
:38:26. > :38:29.think he is smoking something. I mean, Nigel Farage is a very
:38:30. > :38:35.brilliant politician, but radically overemphasising that. What I think
:38:36. > :38:39.Brexit did is its dislodged the normal, its dislodged the usual and
:38:40. > :38:43.created a space in which more unusual things could happen. But
:38:44. > :38:51.let's not get into the view that this is kind of an irreversible
:38:52. > :38:55.historical change we might be back in the autumn and Angela Merkel has
:38:56. > :38:59.won the German election, and we will think very differently about the
:39:00. > :39:03.shape of the history we are living. But the picture might be very
:39:04. > :39:08.different in France, and I wonder, Theresa May talking today about
:39:09. > :39:12.globalisation, we should worry about people being left behind, but this
:39:13. > :39:15.feeling of powerlessness, the feeling that globalisation doesn't
:39:16. > :39:20.work for everybody, she is talking to elites, what are they going to do
:39:21. > :39:27.about it? In a sense, it is too late, the cat is out of the bag, you
:39:28. > :39:31.cannot bottle it up again. No, you certainly cannot, and automation is
:39:32. > :39:37.working right across our economies, governments can do... We saw that in
:39:38. > :39:45.the film from America. Exactly. The contradiction is that Trump has
:39:46. > :39:54.created a Cabinet of businessmen who are beneficiaries, they are the
:39:55. > :40:01.elite. I think, what does a guy in Tennessee, in Kentucky, in
:40:02. > :40:04.Pennsylvania, the working-class vote that supported Trump, what are they
:40:05. > :40:08.going to get from this administration to protect them from
:40:09. > :40:14.globalisation? Not then. And that, I think, lays that therefore an even
:40:15. > :40:21.more violent disillusionment with politics. Well, let's bring that to
:40:22. > :40:24.Europe, because your thesis would be that, actually, you can't have
:40:25. > :40:28.democracy without sovereignty, and the best place to exercise that
:40:29. > :40:33.sovereignty is in the nation state. People are disillusioned with the EU
:40:34. > :40:36.because it has not given them control the way they want, not
:40:37. > :40:39.giving them control of their borders, not given Germans control
:40:40. > :40:44.of what is in their pocket, because it goes to Greece, who have not
:40:45. > :40:48.taken a responsible attitude, the Germans would think. So there is
:40:49. > :40:55.dysfunction about the whole notion of sovereignty at the heart of the
:40:56. > :41:01.EU. Let's go back to the start, this red thread is fear of globalisation,
:41:02. > :41:05.the responses, we have got to get democratic sovereignty back in
:41:06. > :41:09.control - in the United States, Britain, and that is affecting the
:41:10. > :41:13.cohesion of Europe, which had a different answer, which is we have
:41:14. > :41:17.got to get beyond sovereignty. I think there is no question that we
:41:18. > :41:21.are all coming back to the nation state and sovereignty, because it
:41:22. > :41:27.gives us this sense of control. So do you think the EU is a busted
:41:28. > :41:31.flush? It is terribly weak, but we might be back in seven months when
:41:32. > :41:35.Merkel has won the election and Le Pen has lost the election and be
:41:36. > :41:41.saying, the European Union has a new lease of life. But what I do think
:41:42. > :41:46.is that everybody, everywhere, is thinking, I want to elect somebody
:41:47. > :41:53.so that I can control my destiny. That is the red thread through all
:41:54. > :41:57.of this, and that means... That means there are limits to what the
:41:58. > :42:02.EU can do, they believe populist on more likely to do it, but populists
:42:03. > :42:06.are simultaneously saying, we have got to get government off our back,
:42:07. > :42:10.but you can't have it both ways - you can't offer the public
:42:11. > :42:13.democratic control over conditions and then say, we are going to get
:42:14. > :42:20.government off your back. You need given and to protect you from
:42:21. > :42:25.globalisation. -- you need government. But someone like Marine
:42:26. > :42:30.Le Pen might say, we are going to reinforce the idea of the nation
:42:31. > :42:36.state by not having open borders, and that would be the logical
:42:37. > :42:39.extension of the idea. The other thing presumably would be that we
:42:40. > :42:44.have to reinforce the idea of a social contract, but people at the
:42:45. > :42:49.lower end of the wage scale feel that the social contract has been
:42:50. > :42:53.broken. Yes, and where I think the liberal elites, as it were, have
:42:54. > :43:00.lost touch is just how little protection, real protection of and
:43:01. > :43:04.give ordinary people down at the bottom of the pile. And you see it
:43:05. > :43:11.in the United States. I mean, basically, millions of people have
:43:12. > :43:16.been abandoned by their government and... Abandoned bilateral is. Yes,
:43:17. > :43:21.abandoned by liberals, I am a proud liberal, but we need to take the rap
:43:22. > :43:25.for that. That sense of nobody looking after me seems to be a very
:43:26. > :43:31.deep red thread that cuts right across all the stories that we are
:43:32. > :43:34.trying to pull together. But there is nothing that nation states can do
:43:35. > :43:38.about global markets, global financial systems. We have seen what
:43:39. > :43:44.happened in 2008, and nation state were powerless to do anything about
:43:45. > :43:49.it - except retrospectively. We all want globalisation when it works for
:43:50. > :43:53.us, when wages are rising, when we are working in competitive
:43:54. > :43:57.industries, when it is raising our incomes. We all want protection from
:43:58. > :44:00.globalisation when suddenly we are working in declining industries that
:44:01. > :44:05.are no longer competitive. We want it both ways at once, and
:44:06. > :44:07.governments struggle to respond to these contradictory impulses from
:44:08. > :44:09.the public. Thank you very much. Before we go, as Washington,
:44:10. > :44:12.DC gears up for the inauguration of America's 45th President,
:44:13. > :44:14.here's a look back at some of the more memorable moments
:44:15. > :44:16.from previous inaugurations. Unfortunately, there were
:44:17. > :44:29.no cameras around These fireworks are going off right
:44:30. > :44:33.now, the celebrations and the protests that we cannot see at the
:44:34. > :44:39.moment in Washington tonight as they prepare for noon tomorrow when
:44:40. > :44:43.Donald Trump will be sworn in as the 45th President of the United States.
:44:44. > :44:49.This is Barack Obama's last night in the White House. And there is the
:44:50. > :44:53.extended Donald Trump family, watching, standing there, looking
:44:54. > :44:59.out, Mike Pence is there as well with his family. That is all we have
:45:00. > :45:03.time for. We have a full and packed programme tomorrow, and we are going
:45:04. > :45:05.out to see some of the more memorable moments from previous
:45:06. > :45:06.inaugurations, so watch out, good night.
:45:07. > :45:14.The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
:45:15. > :45:16.Ask not what your country can do for you.
:45:17. > :45:29.Ask what you can do for your country.
:45:30. > :45:30.Government is not the solution to our problem.
:45:31. > :45:35.I have spoken of a thousand points of light,
:45:36. > :45:39.of all the community organisations that are spread
:45:40. > :45:45.like stars throughout the nation, doing good.
:45:46. > :45:58.We gather because we have chosen hope over fear.
:45:59. > :46:05.Good evening. Another quiet weather day on Friday, with the usual of
:46:06. > :46:10.this week, which is the hard frost in the south, patchy freezing fog,
:46:11. > :46:11.also frost in the north too, but as you can