:00:00. > :00:00.Is the President on the verge of a nervous breakdown?
:00:07. > :00:10.Tomorrow they will say, "Donald Trump rants
:00:11. > :00:16.I'm not ranting and raving, I'm just telling you you're dishonest people.
:00:17. > :00:21.I love this, I'm having a good time doing it.
:00:22. > :00:25.Tomorrow the headlines are going to be, "Donald Trump rants and raves".
:00:26. > :00:31.There was an extraordinary press conference this evening -
:00:32. > :00:34.it sounded a bit like ranting and raving, as President Trump tried
:00:35. > :00:39.to show his administration is on the right track.
:00:40. > :00:42.Politically, it would be unpopular for a politician to make a deal.
:00:43. > :00:45.I can't believe I'm saying I'm a politician, but I guess
:00:46. > :00:50.We'll ask if it was strange as it looked, or if this is just
:00:51. > :00:54.Then, at the other extreme, there is the Theresa May
:00:55. > :00:57.approach to communication - not to have any.
:00:58. > :01:03.We'll ask if that looks business-like, or simply leaves
:01:04. > :01:21.The acclaimed and Oscar-nominated film Moonlight.
:01:22. > :01:31.We speak to the man who wrote the story.
:01:32. > :01:35.We all know that President Trump's way of communicating breaks
:01:36. > :01:43.80 minutes of press conference that, at times came across as a bit
:01:44. > :01:47.There were, buried within, some substantive messages.
:01:48. > :01:49.He said his administration is a fine-tuned machine,
:01:50. > :01:52.the travel ban was introduced smoothly, he knows of no contact
:01:53. > :02:01.Also, he's achieved a lot for jobs and security.
:02:02. > :02:04.But the core was not all that, it was him lashing out at the press,
:02:05. > :02:07.fake news, the leaks, judges, the Democrats, the state
:02:08. > :02:11.of the world that he inherited, and the press some more.
:02:12. > :02:13.I'm not sure how well short sound bites capture it,
:02:14. > :02:30.Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States. I'm here today
:02:31. > :02:34.to update the American people on the incredible progress that has been
:02:35. > :02:40.made in the last four weeks, since my inauguration. The press has
:02:41. > :02:44.become so dishonest that if we don't talk about it, we are doing a
:02:45. > :02:49.tremendous disservice to the American people. I turn on the TV,
:02:50. > :02:59.open newspapers and see stories chaos. Chaos. Yet it is the exact
:03:00. > :03:05.opposite. This administration is running like a fine tuned machine.
:03:06. > :03:08.President Putin called me up, very nicely, to congratulate me on
:03:09. > :03:13.winning the election. He then called me up extremely nicely to
:03:14. > :03:19.congratulate me on the inauguration, which was terrific. And the leaks
:03:20. > :03:23.are absolutely real. The news is fake, because so much of the news is
:03:24. > :03:28.fake. But I'm having a good time. Tomorrow they will say, Donald Trump
:03:29. > :03:31.rants and raves at the press. I'm not ranting and raving, I'm just
:03:32. > :03:36.telling you, your dishonest people. But I'm not ranting and raving. I'm
:03:37. > :03:40.having a good time doing it. Tomorrow the headlines are going to
:03:41. > :03:45.be, Donald Trump rants and raves. I'm not ranting and raving. We had
:03:46. > :03:52.Hillary Clinton give Russia 20% of the uranium in our country. You know
:03:53. > :03:56.what uranium is, right? It's a thing called nuclear weapons and other
:03:57. > :04:00.things, like lots of things are done with uranium, including some bad
:04:01. > :04:04.things. Politically, it would be unpopular for a politician to make a
:04:05. > :04:09.deal. I can't believe I'm saying I'm a politician, I guess that's what I
:04:10. > :04:12.am now. There have been reports that 48 bomb threats have been made
:04:13. > :04:19.against Jewish centres across the country in the last couple of weeks.
:04:20. > :04:22.There are people that are committing anti-Semitic acts... He said he was
:04:23. > :04:26.going to ask a simple, easy question and it's not. Not a simple question,
:04:27. > :04:31.not a fair question. Sit down, I don't understand the rest of your
:04:32. > :04:38.question. Here is the story, guys. I am the least anti-Semitic person you
:04:39. > :04:44.have seen in your entire life. We lived in a divided nation and I am
:04:45. > :04:50.going to cry, I will do everything within my power to fix that. That I
:04:51. > :04:51.am going to try. I want to thank everybody very much, it is a great
:04:52. > :04:58.honour to be with you. Now one thing he did -
:04:59. > :05:01.a little strange in itself - was hark back to his election
:05:02. > :05:03.victory, incorrectly saying his electoral college win had
:05:04. > :05:06.been bigger than his four People came out and voted
:05:07. > :05:12.like they've never seen before. I guess it was the biggest electoral
:05:13. > :05:23.college win since Ronald Reagan. And this was how he responded
:05:24. > :05:26.when challenged. President Obama 322,
:05:27. > :05:32.George HW Bush 426, I was given that
:05:33. > :05:40.information, I don't know. I guess my question is,
:05:41. > :05:48.why should Americans trust you when you accuse the information
:05:49. > :05:50.they receive of being fake, when you're providing
:05:51. > :05:52.information that's... I don't know, I was
:05:53. > :05:53.given that information. Actually, I've seen that
:05:54. > :06:00.information around. It was strangely ill-disciplined,
:06:01. > :06:02.with numerous exchanges of insults with journalists,
:06:03. > :06:22.and the characteristic Icy -- I see the word tone, the
:06:23. > :06:29.tone, I'm not a bad person, the tone is such hatred. Joining me is a
:06:30. > :06:33.correspondent with CNN, a news organisation that has been the
:06:34. > :06:39.target of some of Donald Trump pleb criticism. Brian, thank you for
:06:40. > :06:48.joining us. What do you think Donald Trump is trying to achieve with
:06:49. > :06:54.these attacks on CNN and the press? He is playing his heads, going back
:06:55. > :06:57.to his greatest heads. This is something he did a lot during the
:06:58. > :07:00.primary campaign. It worked quite well for him. He would be jousting
:07:01. > :07:05.with journalists, sometimes bullying them in ways we saw again today. We
:07:06. > :07:08.are going to see him on Saturday trying another one of his greatest
:07:09. > :07:12.hits, a campaign style rally, going to Florida with thousands of people
:07:13. > :07:16.around him. He said today the crowd would be massive. He seems to
:07:17. > :07:20.already expect a big audience. He's going back to what worked for him
:07:21. > :07:25.when he was campaigning, not necessarily changing to a governing
:07:26. > :07:28.style. His attempt today was to distract and deflect. He was trying
:07:29. > :07:33.to say, the story is about how bad you are in the media, it is about
:07:34. > :07:38.the people leaking, illegally undermining me. I don't think that
:07:39. > :07:41.worked. There were a number of journalists asking very important
:07:42. > :07:46.questions about Russia and other subjects. There was a lot of news,
:07:47. > :07:52.as you are showing, and some commentators in the US are calling
:07:53. > :08:00.him unhinged. Fox's Shep Smith said it was crazy, CNN saying it was
:08:01. > :08:09.unhinged. You are not feeling intimidated? Is there anything he
:08:10. > :08:13.could do to CNN to shut you up or tame what he perceives as the unfair
:08:14. > :08:16.press he gets? That is an important question. The relationship between
:08:17. > :08:21.the press corps and the President is governed by norms, not laws.
:08:22. > :08:26.Journalists are reporting from the West Wing, standing on his lawn,
:08:27. > :08:29.doing live shots. Not because they are acquired legally, but because
:08:30. > :08:34.the President allows it. It has been custom for decades. Right now, there
:08:35. > :08:39.is no indication those norms and customs are changing. The President
:08:40. > :08:44.did call CNN and other outlets today. He seemed to enjoy the verbal
:08:45. > :08:48.combat. Maybe we will see him do press conferences more often. There
:08:49. > :08:52.are concerns about chilling effects from the daily drumbeat, calling the
:08:53. > :08:57.news media fake, the CNN, the New York Times, he continues, on a daily
:08:58. > :09:02.basis, to try to destabilise and delegitimise the American media. A
:09:03. > :09:08.lot of viewers, even some that voted for Trump, that is troubling.
:09:09. > :09:12.Answering questions, mostly words, not actions. I see journalists
:09:13. > :09:16.clearly, standing up straight, covering the biggest story in the
:09:17. > :09:20.world and not being intimidated. How many people out there, in the
:09:21. > :09:24.public, believe him when he says you and the New York Times are fake
:09:25. > :09:29.news? That a very interesting question also. If you look at the
:09:30. > :09:38.polls, we know the trust in media is low. But trust in Trump is also low.
:09:39. > :09:43.The ratings and traffic to news websites, including the BBC and CNN,
:09:44. > :09:47.it is sky-high. The public is very interested in knowing the truth
:09:48. > :09:50.about what Trump was doing, by accessing fact checks for what he is
:09:51. > :09:55.saying. There are issues with trust. I would go back to the President's
:09:56. > :10:01.own polls. He tried to cite an outlier poll that is favourable, one
:10:02. > :10:06.that leans Republican. Most of them, Gallup, from other organisations,
:10:07. > :10:09.they show the President with a 40% approval rating, very much under
:10:10. > :10:12.water in a very difficult situation. He has his base with him, there is
:10:13. > :10:16.no doubt about that. But he's not gaining support from the majority of
:10:17. > :10:21.the American people. When you hear him lashing out at the media, what
:10:22. > :10:25.he is really lashing out about is his unpopularity. You will know, as
:10:26. > :10:32.we know here, the news flow is very fast at the moment and very intense.
:10:33. > :10:35.I just wonder how far he can keep this up and how far you guys can
:10:36. > :10:43.keep this up over the next four years. It's a good thing 24 hour
:10:44. > :10:46.news was invented 35 years ago, between television, radio and the
:10:47. > :10:51.web, we are seeing constant coverage of the President. I see a very big
:10:52. > :10:54.appetite on the part of the public for this coverage, including full
:10:55. > :10:57.very tough coverage that hold him accountable. That is why today was
:10:58. > :11:03.important, he was answering questions from the BBC, ABC, CNN.
:11:04. > :11:07.Big news outlets that had not received questions in recent weeks.
:11:08. > :11:10.That was crucial, we should give the President's credit for doing that,
:11:11. > :11:14.even though it is a basic part of the job. When he is going to Florida
:11:15. > :11:17.again, holding that rally, I am sure there will be a lot of news there as
:11:18. > :11:23.well. He has been taking weekends off, going golfing. They have given
:11:24. > :11:24.journalists a brief break from the news.
:11:25. > :11:31.We're joined by Sebastian Gorka, Deputy Assistant to President Trump.
:11:32. > :11:39.Very good evening. Do you think his press conference was a bit unhinged?
:11:40. > :11:45.I think it is pathetic that the BBC would use words of that nature and
:11:46. > :11:50.also the objective weird. It is only weird to journalists like yourself
:11:51. > :11:57.who are biased. Brian is your authority? This is a man who was
:11:58. > :12:03.called ridiculous for his obsession for attacking President Trump by his
:12:04. > :12:12.CNN colleague. I would ask you to Google his name, fake news Delta
:12:13. > :12:15.Airlines. It was a fabulous press conference. Can I just ask a couple
:12:16. > :12:21.of factual questions? For his initial words, which went on for
:12:22. > :12:28.quite a few minutes, had he made notes on that and prepared that, or
:12:29. > :12:32.did he just go in and busk it? He is fabulous on his feet, he doesn't
:12:33. > :12:36.need to. This is the man who, in any one day, would go to nine different
:12:37. > :12:42.sites, sometimes in four different states. He doesn't need an autocue.
:12:43. > :12:49.He revels in this. What we saw today was the old Donald Trump from the
:12:50. > :12:52.campaign trail. It was fabulous. Did he game some questions with his
:12:53. > :12:56.team, did he think, what questions are we going to get, what is the
:12:57. > :13:00.answer? Or he just said, I'm going to go out there, confront these guys
:13:01. > :13:05.and give them hell? The President doesn't need to. He has a whole
:13:06. > :13:11.press team. We have amazing people that write talking points. I had
:13:12. > :13:15.talking points for this interview, don't need to use them but the team
:13:16. > :13:18.writes them. He made this claim, completely false claim, about his
:13:19. > :13:23.electoral college win being the biggest since Ronald Reagan. It
:13:24. > :13:29.turned out Clinton, George Bush and Barack Obama had bigger wins. I'm
:13:30. > :13:32.interested in how some mistake like that creeps in. This is a man that
:13:33. > :13:40.looks carefully at these things. What was going on? I think you're
:13:41. > :13:45.getting a little bit obsessed, yourself. If you listen to the tape
:13:46. > :13:48.you just played, he said I guess I have the largest. It wasn't an
:13:49. > :13:53.unequivocal statement of fact. The bottom line is that he trounced
:13:54. > :13:58.Hillary Clinton. It was organisations like CNN, the New York
:13:59. > :14:02.Times and even the BBC said Clinton is a shoo-in. The Huffington Post
:14:03. > :14:07.said she had a 92% chance of winning. That is fake news and the
:14:08. > :14:10.BBC should not be a hostage to it. What is really striking is, and it
:14:11. > :14:15.was striking in the press conference as well, there is a sort of tendency
:14:16. > :14:18.to leap back to the election campaign, to bang on about Hillary
:14:19. > :14:23.Clinton and her weaknesses, the way that you have just gone on about the
:14:24. > :14:28.way pundits got the election wrong. Does Mr Trump, does President Trump
:14:29. > :14:32.realise that he won the election, he got fewer votes, he won the
:14:33. > :14:35.election, he is the President now, for goodness sake. He doesn't have
:14:36. > :14:40.to keep banging on about Hillary Clinton. He's the President. It
:14:41. > :14:44.looks almost narcissistic, almost a bit childish to be talking the way
:14:45. > :14:49.that he does in campaign mode, when he is the leader of the free world.
:14:50. > :14:55.Only to journalist who don't like him and have an agenda. Is he
:14:56. > :15:01.looking back? My gosh I have been in this position for less than a month,
:15:02. > :15:05.we have done more work in one month than the prior administration did in
:15:06. > :15:09.six. The number of things we have achieved, whether with the coal
:15:10. > :15:12.miners, pushing back on the anti-coal mining policies of
:15:13. > :15:17.administration and the immigration reform and the modernisation of
:15:18. > :15:20.infrastructure planning. It is incredible the amount of work we
:15:21. > :15:28.have done and to say that we are basking in a former glory, please be
:15:29. > :15:32.a bit more factual or you will be accused of fake news. So you agree
:15:33. > :15:39.with President Trump that his White House is a fine-tuned machine and
:15:40. > :15:44.operating well? I have never worked at this rarified strategic level
:15:45. > :15:50.before, I'm a political appointment. It is incredible I come into work
:15:51. > :15:55.every morning at 7 o'clock, open the newspapers and when I read a story
:15:56. > :15:59.that bares no resemblance to the issue I was involved in, I was in
:16:00. > :16:06.the room the day before when it was being settled, eight out of nine
:16:07. > :16:10.times it is fabricated. I'm sad to say that you and your colleagues
:16:11. > :16:14.have fallen into this trap of fake news. It is not fake news, we are
:16:15. > :16:18.trying to understand what is going on, we are not making factual claims
:16:19. > :16:25.a lot of time, we are asking questions that you don't like. No
:16:26. > :16:31.not at all, ask away. Well why did Donald Trump say he knew nothing
:16:32. > :16:35.about Michael Flynn having spoken to the Russian about sanctions and then
:16:36. > :16:39.on Monday we learn that President Trump had known about it for a
:16:40. > :16:47.couple of, more than a couple of weeks? You're obsessing on issues
:16:48. > :16:51.that are not point. I'm asking a perfectly simple question, I have
:16:52. > :16:55.asked it once, why did he say I know nothing about that and then on
:16:56. > :17:01.Monday we hear he had known about it it for two weeks. Why did he say
:17:02. > :17:06.that. It is a fine-tuned machine you said. I said the White House is
:17:07. > :17:09.working as a fine tuned machine. Your question was about the
:17:10. > :17:14.representation of it being a maelstrom in the White House and I
:17:15. > :17:19.answered it factually based on my experience. There isn't any disorder
:17:20. > :17:24.or chaos. Some people in the media would like there to be. But there
:17:25. > :17:27.isn't, I'm in the building. What the president knew when, please ask him
:17:28. > :17:31.when you have an opportunity. I sure you have a BBC correspondent, I
:17:32. > :17:39.wasn't in that meeting with general Flynn. Let me ask you about foreign
:17:40. > :17:42.policy, this is a fine-tuned machine, the president said
:17:43. > :17:48.yesterday he was opened minded on solutions to the issue of Israel and
:17:49. > :17:52.Palestine. Today your ambassador at the UN clarified to colleagues and
:17:53. > :17:58.others there that the two state policy remained the US objective,
:17:59. > :18:00.why is there this constant confusion between the president speaks,
:18:01. > :18:05.someone has to go around with a bucket and a shovel picking up the
:18:06. > :18:16.pieces to clarify to the allies what is going on? Your representation is
:18:17. > :18:20.just wishful thinking. If you zint didn't have an agenda-driven
:18:21. > :18:23.question list, well, read the transcript of what the president
:18:24. > :18:28.said after the meeting with the Prime Minister. It was unequivocal.
:18:29. > :18:32.We remain committed to our ally Israel and any solution will have to
:18:33. > :18:39.be a solution that both sides come to. We are not going to intervene.
:18:40. > :18:45.You need to stick to the facts. The fact is other people, not just me,
:18:46. > :18:48.other people, were confused and reported, not because they have an
:18:49. > :18:55.agenda, that there was a change in US policy. Nicky Hailey felt it
:18:56. > :19:04.necessary to clarify. Why are these kind of mistakes being made. Before
:19:05. > :19:09.you answer that, another one today, Rex Tillerson was in a meeting with
:19:10. > :19:15.the French and they said they thought your policy was to tear up
:19:16. > :19:19.the Tehran deal. Rex Tillerson said I didn't say that. It gives a
:19:20. > :19:24.picture of shambles in which people are having to correct or
:19:25. > :19:32.mis-statements or things that have been misunderstood. Is it everybody
:19:33. > :19:43.else's fault and not your own No there is an agenda driven
:19:44. > :19:50.distortion. The media accused us of being anti-Semitic and white sue
:19:51. > :19:55.preppist and we have an orthodox Jew key to the decision making process
:19:56. > :20:04.and you talk about anti-Semitism. We are not going to stand for it. Where
:20:05. > :20:15.does the BBC or the New York times said it is an anti-Semitic regime.
:20:16. > :20:23.Look at the... That is quite different to say. Tlanchts. That was
:20:24. > :20:32.the response, that we didn't use the world Jewish holocaust. It is
:20:33. > :20:37.absurd. When I... When the president says he hates the press... It is
:20:38. > :20:43.true. I never said anything on those terms, I don't want to get drawn
:20:44. > :20:46.into a Tex eventual argument. Gods forbid you would agree. When he says
:20:47. > :20:50.the press is out of control and you stand there and for most of your
:20:51. > :20:57.answers just say we have an agenda and we are fake news. Prove it.
:20:58. > :21:02.You're using Brian setter. Is it the case you plan no action against the
:21:03. > :21:07.press, the press will carry on and do its job and be allowed to do its
:21:08. > :21:15.job, are there measures your intending to take. This is fake
:21:16. > :21:21.news. You have committed fake news. You're implying that there is some
:21:22. > :21:25.dread intent. It is absurd. What are you positing? I'm asking if the
:21:26. > :21:29.president has actions in mind, he said it is out of control, we need
:21:30. > :21:37.to talk about this and he hinted that he he wasn't going to put up.
:21:38. > :21:42.That might mean I will communicate with everybody by Twitter or I will
:21:43. > :21:47.think of things. Is it the latter or the former. I means we are going to
:21:48. > :21:57.continue to do what we did so very successfully and the thing that put
:21:58. > :22:03.the former real estate billionaire into and to break your monopoly and
:22:04. > :22:08.the mainstream media does not monopolise news and we will go
:22:09. > :22:15.straight to the audience. We are not going to put up with distortion and
:22:16. > :22:24.people who believe they have a monopoly on the truth because they
:22:25. > :22:27.have 60 years of a letterhead. We will communicate with our audience.
:22:28. > :22:30.Thank you for talking to you. We don't like be so much the centre of
:22:31. > :22:34.attention. Thank very much indeed. A week and a half to the Oscars
:22:35. > :22:38.and the film that everyone has But let me tell about
:22:39. > :22:42.a better one than that - not that I've seen La La Land
:22:43. > :22:45.to make a comparison. It has eight nominations,
:22:46. > :22:48.including best film, and it In a way it is Boyz in the Hood
:22:49. > :22:53.meets Brokeback Mountain, but that doesn't begin
:22:54. > :22:55.to do it justice. It's a three-act film set mainly
:22:56. > :22:58.in a black neighbourhood of Miami, chronicling the life of Chiron,
:22:59. > :23:01.from being a gentle child bullied at school to a young adult coming
:23:02. > :23:04.to terms with his sexuality. It mixes macho brutality,
:23:05. > :23:08.with genuine tenderness. The film's directed by Barry Jenkins
:23:09. > :23:11.and is based on a story by Tarrell Alvin McCraney called
:23:12. > :23:16.'In Moonlight Black Boys Look Blue'. They are both up for an Oscar
:23:17. > :23:20.for Adapted Screenplay. And Tarrell, of course,
:23:21. > :23:22.is to a large extent that gentle child we meet
:23:23. > :23:24.in the film. It was based on a lot
:23:25. > :23:41.of memories, particularly memories of myself and my mother
:23:42. > :23:44.and my childhood growing There is a lot of me in it,
:23:45. > :23:51.but I think there is also a lot of When you come to a piece
:23:52. > :23:54.about self-discovery, it's very difficult
:23:55. > :23:57.to leave yourself out. So one of the things Barry was very
:23:58. > :24:00.generous in and very brave in is putting himself
:24:01. > :24:05.in the film as well. One of the most striking
:24:06. > :24:07.things about the film is the very tender depiction
:24:08. > :24:10.of the mentor to the young young Well, one of the things
:24:11. > :24:17.I like to say he was nurturing and mentoring and he was
:24:18. > :24:21.a drug dealer, instead of "but", because but tends to dismiss
:24:22. > :24:25.one part or the other. One of the things I didn't
:24:26. > :24:27.want to do was portray him as one of the others,
:24:28. > :24:32.that he was both to me. I think we should
:24:33. > :24:39.think of all people as And if we want those people
:24:40. > :24:50.to do more good than bad, then we have to think of them
:24:51. > :24:54.as human beings, right? My mother's boyfriend,
:24:55. > :24:57.a man named Blue, was a drug dealer, who was very kind to me
:24:58. > :25:01.- taught me how to swim, taught me how to ride a bike,
:25:02. > :25:03.who taught me how to make And you don't think of a drug dealer
:25:04. > :25:08.being able to do that for a The film of course is,
:25:09. > :25:12.a lot of it, is dealing And it is very striking,
:25:13. > :25:19.and it is not just in your film, there are other accounts of young
:25:20. > :25:22.gay children in underprivileged communities where there
:25:23. > :25:24.is a particularly strong kind of Well, think about the way
:25:25. > :25:33.in which the system is And so you say access
:25:34. > :25:37.to privilege is based on That's the ideal we
:25:38. > :25:42.share with everybody. Think about the way in which we look
:25:43. > :25:45.at women in our society. What is the worst
:25:46. > :25:47.thing I can call you? So that trickles down into all
:25:48. > :25:53.communities and we think how do we maintain access, how do we get
:25:54. > :25:57.more privilege, well, the more masculine I am, I mean
:25:58. > :25:59.I have the means or the money to get
:26:00. > :26:03.to the privilege of life, but if I'm more
:26:04. > :26:05.masculine, then I'm closer to the power/access in the way
:26:06. > :26:08.the society works. So one of the problems is we sort
:26:09. > :26:12.of keep harping on this idea of masculinity or hyper-masculinity,
:26:13. > :26:15.or more importantly toxic masculinity, because there
:26:16. > :26:20.is nothing more wrong with wanting to play sports
:26:21. > :26:23.or being rough and tumble, but then we honour that
:26:24. > :26:26.above wanting to be caressed or nurtured or gentle,
:26:27. > :26:29.then we start creating these So you can have a drug dealer
:26:30. > :26:38.who drives around in a very macho car, who is also nurturing and also
:26:39. > :26:41.gentle and also teaches a person So the film didn't, the film wasn't
:26:42. > :26:47.created to tackle these ideas... It tackles them, because
:26:48. > :26:51.they are part of life. At some point you have got
:26:52. > :27:06.to decide for yourself Can't let nobody make
:27:07. > :27:14.that decision for you. Every interview at
:27:15. > :27:16.the moment comes back to Trump, is there some
:27:17. > :27:19.link between that theme that you have explored
:27:20. > :27:21.in the film and the election
:27:22. > :27:23.of Donald Trump? Is it that a lot of other low status
:27:24. > :27:30.people, and you know people who felt basically this man is speaking for
:27:31. > :27:33.us and he has a kind of masculinity I'm just wondering if there is some
:27:34. > :27:41.link there between the... The world in which we live
:27:42. > :27:45.in in terms of misogyny and the oppression of women and the
:27:46. > :27:51.oppression of feminism, the idea, the xenophobic ideas have been
:27:52. > :27:54.there for a long time. If anything, this film should
:27:55. > :28:04.show you that if this stuff was happening to me in my
:28:05. > :28:08.childhood and I am 36 now, will be 37 this year, that means 20 years
:28:09. > :28:11.ago we were still wrestling with these same ideas -
:28:12. > :28:13.that that poverty that existed We talk about films being
:28:14. > :28:19.a way to escape, to go to another person's
:28:20. > :28:21.life or experience. And this film allowed
:28:22. > :28:25.me to do something So we see Trevante Rhodes
:28:26. > :28:46.as Chiron all grown up and you know he puts on this kind
:28:47. > :28:50.of masculine facade in order to survive in that world and then
:28:51. > :28:54.we look in his eyes and we see in that man's eyes that he,
:28:55. > :28:56.no matter what he does, is always
:28:57. > :28:58.going to be right there, that vulnerable person
:28:59. > :28:59.that So no matter how many accolades
:29:00. > :29:02.that I get, no matter how far I travel from Liberty City,
:29:03. > :29:05.or if I'm in Stratford-upon-Avon, or in London, or Canada,
:29:06. > :29:08.no matter where I sort of put myself on a platform or
:29:09. > :29:11.other people do the same, it doesn't, none of that vulnerability
:29:12. > :29:15.has left me. Within me and within
:29:16. > :29:18.the performance of masculinity or femininity that I have
:29:19. > :29:21.and education I might have, You're up for an Oscar,
:29:22. > :29:28.I mean the film is up for You have a joint screenplay
:29:29. > :29:37.one with Barry Jenkins. Are you going to be that vulnerable,
:29:38. > :29:41.scared child if you win the Oscar? Absolutely, absolutely
:29:42. > :29:43.and I think that's the thing that is incredible -
:29:44. > :29:46.I think you're watching two young men from a very difficult part of
:29:47. > :29:49.world, who are still carrying that world with them and particularly
:29:50. > :29:52.inside of them go to a place that we never thought
:29:53. > :29:54.we would get to. We've seen the Donald Trump
:29:55. > :30:07.communication style this evening. There is something rather intriguing
:30:08. > :30:12.about how quiet she is. She is the opposite of Donald Trump,
:30:13. > :30:15.and some of her predecessors, who feel the head of government job
:30:16. > :30:18.is one that requires you to keep yabbering
:30:19. > :30:20.on about anything and everything - from policy and politics,
:30:21. > :30:25.to sport and soap opera. It's not post-truth for Theresa May,
:30:26. > :30:30.it's post-nothing - stay quiet. We'll reflect on the merits of that
:30:31. > :30:33.approach, but first here's Chris Cook on the contrast
:30:34. > :30:39.with the practices of yore. Since July, and the change
:30:40. > :30:41.of Prime Minister, the Government This week, though, as one Times
:30:42. > :30:48.reporter put it, they went dark. With Parliament in recess,
:30:49. > :30:53.the Government went quiet. It really is quite unusual
:30:54. > :30:56.for a whole government to be And a lot of it is down
:30:57. > :31:03.to Theresa May's own personal She doesn't regard it as her job
:31:04. > :31:10.to give people like me things Now, when I put it in those
:31:11. > :31:14.terms, perhaps you have But here's the big question,
:31:15. > :31:18.as a political strategy, does it Here is the rationale for feeding
:31:19. > :31:27.the beast, from a past master. If a story comes out
:31:28. > :31:33.that says something, and you don't have the capacity
:31:34. > :31:38.to get on top and say, hang on, the facts are X and Y,
:31:39. > :31:42.as you have probably discovered, You know, these stories don't take
:31:43. > :31:49.a life of their own and then start running away into the far distance,
:31:50. > :31:56.and then the public thinks, my goodness, what are they doing
:31:57. > :31:59.that for, when you're not doing The current Prime Minister clearly
:32:00. > :32:03.doesn't feel any great pressure with her current poll lead
:32:04. > :32:05.to engage very much. She went on the Copeland by-election
:32:06. > :32:07.trail yesterday in Cumbria, where she spent under three minutes
:32:08. > :32:09.taking two questions We'll let you get back, thank you
:32:10. > :32:21.very much. It's a fair bet, then,
:32:22. > :32:24.that the current PM won't emulate Ted Heath, shown here showing
:32:25. > :32:27.off his talent as a sailor And here, showing
:32:28. > :32:32.off his musicianship. Showing hinterland would
:32:33. > :32:34.mean having cameras in, The May approach, though,
:32:35. > :32:40.can save you from trivia. Tony Blair, shown here
:32:41. > :32:43.in opposition, later opined on the jailing of Deirdre Rachid,
:32:44. > :32:49.a character from Coronation Street. Even David Cameron's tweeting
:32:50. > :32:51.about British sporting success Maybe this will work,
:32:52. > :32:58.a low profile may preserve the sheen that attaches
:32:59. > :33:01.to new prime ministers. But more pressure from other
:33:02. > :33:03.parties, or events, Right now, the polls
:33:04. > :33:07.suggest her low-profile We're joined by the broadcaster
:33:08. > :33:18.and columnist Steve Richards, by Ayesha Hazarika who was a special
:33:19. > :33:21.advisor to both Ed Miliband and Harriet Harman and by
:33:22. > :33:31.Matt Chorley from the Times. He was the Times journalists that
:33:32. > :33:42.used the phrase going dark. Is it a pain that you go and don't get
:33:43. > :33:49.stories from her? It was recess, journalists were left to their own
:33:50. > :33:53.devices. It does seem to be working. Every time a journalist says give us
:33:54. > :33:58.a story, otherwise it is going to be bad for you, this lack of media
:33:59. > :34:02.coverage, they say, do you want to look at our latest poll ratings?
:34:03. > :34:06.They think it is working for now. How different is it your days? Very
:34:07. > :34:12.different. It's interesting seeing Tony Blair popping up. I think New
:34:13. > :34:18.Labour, in the to 97, when we first got into power, we set the rule book
:34:19. > :34:24.in terms of professionalised media publications. We set up a grid and
:34:25. > :34:28.everybody was obsessed. What is this grid? It is the seven days mapped
:34:29. > :34:33.out and you have to have events in it. We would have grid meetings, a
:34:34. > :34:40.grid manager. A lot of job creation is generated by the grid. To quote
:34:41. > :34:47.Tony Blair, I think there is a third way in all of this. You don't want
:34:48. > :34:55.to become so obsessed with the grid wagging the tail. You need some
:34:56. > :34:59.thinking time to populate it. Matt, is there no grid? There is, the
:35:00. > :35:07.rulers don't put anything on it! That is the difference. -- the rule
:35:08. > :35:13.is. You speak to govern and advisers, they say we would love to
:35:14. > :35:19.do stuff, we are trying to get stuff on the grid. So Number 10 is saying
:35:20. > :35:23.not to? They say why rock the boat? The risk, putting a minister on TV,
:35:24. > :35:28.is that they say something that generates news. Or just to say
:35:29. > :35:31.something! Steve, you have been around a while and written about
:35:32. > :35:36.Prime Minister is, is it the right thing to do?
:35:37. > :35:42.Depends partly on context and partly the personality of the individual.
:35:43. > :35:48.With new Labour, they suffered such a terrible press in the 80s, the
:35:49. > :35:52.early 1990s, certainly the New Labour generation were totally
:35:53. > :35:56.obsessed, partly justifiably, partly to the point where it becomes
:35:57. > :36:00.stifling. What are we going to say about Coronation Street? They were
:36:01. > :36:06.in a complete... I was once having a cup of tea with Tony Blair, early in
:36:07. > :36:10.his first term, 40 points ahead in the polls, William Hague already
:36:11. > :36:14.doomed as Leader of the Opposition. Someone rushed in from the press
:36:15. > :36:18.team saying William Hague is going to say something about hybridisation
:36:19. > :36:22.of rural post offices. What are we going to do? What is the message?
:36:23. > :36:27.Anyone would think they were about to collapse as a government. That
:36:28. > :36:31.becomes stifling. Here approach is interesting. She is much more shy
:36:32. > :36:36.than Tony Blair and David Cameron. It is quite interesting, in such a
:36:37. > :36:39.public position. Her media performances, I think they are
:36:40. > :36:44.authentically awkward because she is shy. She doesn't enjoy them. Cameron
:36:45. > :36:49.and Tony Blair, on the whole, enjoy them. It is partly her own
:36:50. > :36:53.reticence. She can get away with this with opinion poll leads and an
:36:54. > :36:57.opposition in disarray. But there will be times when it becomes an
:36:58. > :37:02.issue for her. No doubt. The problem is the vacuum. You've got to write
:37:03. > :37:06.something. There is an e-mail you send out every morning, you have to
:37:07. > :37:10.feel that with something. If she is not giving you something, you can be
:37:11. > :37:14.mischievous? We have seen business rate rises, they have been planned
:37:15. > :37:19.for some time. This week, it is on the front pages again. Tomorrow as
:37:20. > :37:24.well, a big rise is coming, it's affecting pubs that people love,
:37:25. > :37:27.hospitals that people love. That feels like, this week, because it
:37:28. > :37:32.has been recess, the government hasn't been doing anything, business
:37:33. > :37:34.rates has taken on a life of its own and it will probably mean that the
:37:35. > :37:38.Chancellor will have to do something about it. It had a prominence
:37:39. > :37:46.because there has not been anything else? At the moment, because the
:37:47. > :37:49.opposition is so weak, also because there is the destruction of Brexit
:37:50. > :37:58.and also when Trump wakes up in the morning and hits the tweet deck, the
:37:59. > :38:00.danger for the Government and the press operation, I think they can be
:38:01. > :38:07.quite complacent about it now, but they shouldn't forget that there is
:38:08. > :38:10.lots of domestic crises bubbling up. The NHS, business rates, cuts in
:38:11. > :38:16.school budgets. There are things that the public are getting
:38:17. > :38:18.exercised about. Just having a press strategy that stonewalled everything
:38:19. > :38:25.is not going to be sustainable for a long time. In a way, at this point,
:38:26. > :38:30.it is quite sensible. One Brexit, people were saying, what is her
:38:31. > :38:35.plan? The Economist at the front page of there being no plan. She did
:38:36. > :38:39.a speech. I disagreed with some of the content, but it was almost a
:38:40. > :38:43.work of art that they had worked and sweated over for a long period, but
:38:44. > :38:47.quite an effective way of doing things. Wait and then deliver. You
:38:48. > :38:51.can't do it when you are in control of party and government as she is at
:38:52. > :38:54.the moment, it becomes harder when you lose control, which will happen
:38:55. > :39:00.to her at some point. I have just been doing some talks for the BBC
:39:01. > :39:03.about six prime ministers, what I have learned us I ad-libbed my way
:39:04. > :39:08.through these talks is that the ones that lasted longest work, one way or
:39:09. > :39:14.another, teachers. They regarded part of their role as to constantly
:39:15. > :39:16.mimic it. Thatcher was an instinctive teacher, always
:39:17. > :39:21.communicating simple messages as a matter of human course, almost. Tony
:39:22. > :39:34.Blair to this as well. Maybe the story of 2016-17 is that
:39:35. > :39:39.the New Labour spin model was completely bust come on two sides of
:39:40. > :39:43.the Atlantic you have two contrasting new models. Trump has
:39:44. > :39:46.broken all of the rules of the old spin model, and Theresa May is
:39:47. > :39:50.breaking them. If you sat back and asked yourself, which of the new
:39:51. > :39:56.models do you prefer, which would you say? I think you are right.
:39:57. > :40:00.Journalists like to be given stories. Some politicians like to be
:40:01. > :40:03.in newspapers. The danger is that we think a of stories in newspapers
:40:04. > :40:09.about politicians is what the public want. Actually, I the reaction to
:40:10. > :40:13.the spin culture, which people got more and more fed up with, is they
:40:14. > :40:20.quite like not seeing the Prime Minister on the TV every night,
:40:21. > :40:25.saying what they think about every passing thing going. You slip into a
:40:26. > :40:28.danger, as a politician, if you think success is measured by how
:40:29. > :40:34.many splashes you get, having worked for lots of politicians, the biggest
:40:35. > :40:40.thing is sometimes, why am I not in the newspapers? You need the
:40:41. > :40:44.balance, a good example was the Brexit speech that she did, doing
:40:45. > :40:47.less, but doing it better. So, having the time to properly think
:40:48. > :40:53.through your message, your policy, your strategy and communications,
:40:54. > :40:56.that should be the icing on the cake. When everything is driven,
:40:57. > :41:01.when the grid gets out of control and you are just trying to keep up
:41:02. > :41:08.with the grid, that is very scary. Imagine Trump's spin doctor tonight,
:41:09. > :41:13.if the focus was on message discipline! I think they have moved
:41:14. > :41:15.on from that one. That is all we have time for. Kirsty will be back
:41:16. > :41:31.here tomorrow. Have a good night. Hello. A cold night in Scotland on
:41:32. > :41:33.the way. There will be a touch of Frost and fog patches around, those
:41:34. > :41:38.in southern Scotland slow to clear tomorrow morning. A bit of patchy
:41:39. > :41:41.rain from the Midlands, North West England and western Scotland to
:41:42. > :41:45.begin with. A lot of that fading into the afternoon as the bulk of
:41:46. > :41:49.the UK turns dry. Thickening cloud again in Northern Ireland. Still a
:41:50. > :41:52.bit of light rain for parts of western Scotland. The best of the
:41:53. > :41:59.sunshine, throughout much of Scotland, will be down the eastern
:42:00. > :42:03.side. Grey over north-west Scotland, Misty and matey. Richard
:42:04. > :42:05.Brighton-Knight towards East Anglia. It looks rather