:00:00. > :00:10.She came, she saw, she conquered - is this Theresa May's imperium?
:00:11. > :00:13.Theresa Maia Brigantibus subiectis rempublicam hodie dominatur.
:00:14. > :00:20.Quis igitur est factio potens contra hoc imperium?
:00:21. > :00:26.And what I think we've seen from this victory is that this truly
:00:27. > :00:28.is a government that's working for everyone and for every
:00:29. > :00:46.Have you, at any point this morning, looked in the mirror and asked
:00:47. > :00:48.yourself this question: could the problem actually be me?
:00:49. > :00:57.We'll be asking the shadow Foreign Secretary if,
:00:58. > :01:01.with Corbyn at the helm, Labour can really march on Rome?
:01:02. > :01:04.Ukip tripped up spectacularly in the Stoke by-election -
:01:05. > :01:06.are they a party now looking for a purpose?
:01:07. > :01:10.Our political panel is here to discuss what Theresa May should
:01:11. > :01:13.do with her victory, and if she wants Jeremy Corbyn
:01:14. > :01:27.Theresa May was on the losing side in the referendum.
:01:28. > :01:30.She's an unelected leader, with a small working
:01:31. > :01:34.majority of 16, one up from yesterday,
:01:35. > :01:37.having to lead the most complex constitutional negotiations perhaps
:01:38. > :01:39.since the Act of Union in 1707 - negotiations she never
:01:40. > :01:45.Not a great position of strength, you might say,
:01:46. > :01:48.but this morning she led her party to victory in an area that's been
:01:49. > :01:52.held by Labour since 1935 - the first time a governing party has
:01:53. > :01:59.Her personal approval ratings are far and away ahead
:02:00. > :02:02.of Jeremy Corbyn's, who today insisted that he was determined
:02:03. > :02:05.to carry on and appeared to joke that the situation was catastrophic
:02:06. > :02:09.So this was the Prime Minister's day -
:02:10. > :02:11.she spent it in her new Tory-held Cumbria seat.
:02:12. > :02:18.Our political editor Nick Watt reports.
:02:19. > :02:23.For the moment, our unlikely Prime Minister reigned supreme, a
:02:24. > :02:27.by-election win in an area that had been beyond the reach of the Tories
:02:28. > :02:31.since the interwar years leaves Theresa May surveying a political
:02:32. > :02:37.landscape with few credible opponents. Theresa May once likened
:02:38. > :02:41.herself to Queen Elizabeth the first, a woman who thrived in a male
:02:42. > :02:46.dominated world by knowing her mind. But she's never seen herself as a
:02:47. > :02:51.glory on a figure and she is one of the least assuming occupants of
:02:52. > :02:54.number ten. She's more like John Major, Paire Margaret Thatcher in
:02:55. > :02:59.her imperial pomp and just like John Major, who secured the highest
:03:00. > :03:02.number of votes of any Tory leader, Theresa May is not the slightest bit
:03:03. > :03:08.complacent and knows that around every corner there are bear traps --
:03:09. > :03:14.than Margaret Thatcher. Theresa May has been shrewd in her position, she
:03:15. > :03:17.has a huge amount of authority and the Conservative Party believes
:03:18. > :03:23.she's an election winner. Those three things give her a lot of power
:03:24. > :03:27.and so at the moment she very strong. You always have to have a
:03:28. > :03:31.strategic view of what's coming next. The economy has been very
:03:32. > :03:36.strong for a long time, what will happen with that? Brexit is
:03:37. > :03:40.difficult but if you have those three things, and you have that
:03:41. > :03:45.authority, if you're seen as a winner, you can make a mark on the
:03:46. > :03:49.scene. Theresa May doesn't have any opposition, everyone has fallen
:03:50. > :03:53.away, the Labour Party can't deliver votes in its core seats, Ukip has
:03:54. > :04:02.shown that they cannot organise a campaign, they can't turn things
:04:03. > :04:11.into success locally, and the Lib Dems are regaining their seats after
:04:12. > :04:13.a devastating loss, so the Conservatives have the political
:04:14. > :04:17.landscape to themselves and the only real enemies they have placed to
:04:18. > :04:24.Theresa May's advantage because they are slightly unpopular Europeans
:04:25. > :04:27.that she can go to war with. As something of a diffident figure,
:04:28. > :04:31.Theresa May rarely shows much emotion but there was no mistaking
:04:32. > :04:36.her joy when she turned up in Copeland this morning. The Prime
:04:37. > :04:40.Minister even woke up her husband in the middle of the night to tell him
:04:41. > :04:46.the news. If you extrapolated the swing from Copeland which was 6.7%,
:04:47. > :04:51.and put that on top of the results of the last election, you would see
:04:52. > :04:57.a uniform swing across the country, depending on the boundaries and the
:04:58. > :05:03.decisions of the smaller parties, you would end up with Labour on
:05:04. > :05:07.about 150-160 seats, the Conservatives on something like 400,
:05:08. > :05:13.so a very substantial Conservative majority. Jeremy Corbyn made his way
:05:14. > :05:16.to stoke to celebrate his party's win in the potteries but this did
:05:17. > :05:21.not have the feel of a triumphal march. Labour's share of the vote
:05:22. > :05:26.had fallen in each seat. Internal critics mostly kept quiet, his
:05:27. > :05:31.allies were less restrained as they laid the blame for the party's poor
:05:32. > :05:35.showing at the feet of Tony Blair for criticising the leadership last
:05:36. > :05:40.week over Brexit, the issue that is bedevilling Jeremy Corbyn. The great
:05:41. > :05:45.irony is that Jeremy is losing a lot of support among the people who
:05:46. > :05:49.flocked to the party not over Iraq, austerity, or nuclear weapons, the
:05:50. > :05:56.things that define him, but on Europe where many younger supporters
:05:57. > :06:01.are very pro-European and he and -- at best is anaemic about it and that
:06:02. > :06:05.is the issue, combining the issue of ratings and popularity has. The Ukip
:06:06. > :06:09.leader hopes to break up as the MP for the seat he described as the
:06:10. > :06:12.Brexit capital of Britain but instead Paul Nuttall faces a fight
:06:13. > :06:19.to restore his credibility after managing a modest increase in his
:06:20. > :06:24.party's vote share in Stoke. One expert said that perhaps all is not
:06:25. > :06:29.lost for Ukip. In terms of Paul Nuttall personally, he had a
:06:30. > :06:34.difficult campaign in Stoke-on-Trent. I'm not sure I'd say
:06:35. > :06:36.yet that the idea of Ukip going after Labour in the heartlands
:06:37. > :06:40.businesses assembly the wrong strategy because Labour has a
:06:41. > :06:45.weakness in an area where Ukip have strength, so clearly there will be
:06:46. > :06:48.some potential upside there and it doesn't seem like a bad strategy,
:06:49. > :06:53.but the problem is that they aren't executing on it. Theresa May will no
:06:54. > :06:57.doubt allow herself a modest celebration this weekend. But one
:06:58. > :07:02.admirer says that when the going seems easy, a wise leader makes
:07:03. > :07:07.preparations for more difficult times. The biggest problem you have
:07:08. > :07:10.when you are very strong is that you can't imagine a moment when you
:07:11. > :07:15.might not be and therefore you don't plan for it. The long-term strategic
:07:16. > :07:19.challenge for the Conservative Party, with younger voters and more
:07:20. > :07:23.diverse voters and urban voters because you are doing so well
:07:24. > :07:27.because you're winning, you forget that you have to keep renewing your
:07:28. > :07:34.appeal, you have to keep modernising the party. You can do that by some
:07:35. > :07:38.extent with instinct but you require deliberate strategic moves. Our
:07:39. > :07:44.Prime Minister is for the moment Britain's unchallenged empress. She
:07:45. > :07:50.will need no reminding of the role of the Roman slave who whispered to
:07:51. > :07:53.the triumphant general to be wary of hubris, remember, you are mortal.
:07:54. > :07:57.The shadow foreign secretary is Emily Thornberry and she joins me
:07:58. > :08:10.Good evening. You've held Copeland since 1935, widely due lose it? It
:08:11. > :08:16.has always been a marginal, it has always been a fight, we had a
:08:17. > :08:20.majority of 2000 and there were particular factor is happening in
:08:21. > :08:23.the constituency. The biggest employer was Sellafield and the
:08:24. > :08:27.Tories were putting out leaflets saying that Jeremy is against
:08:28. > :08:32.nuclear power. That came up on the doorstep all the time. Even though
:08:33. > :08:36.we had conversations and said we were in favour of nuclear power: we
:08:37. > :08:39.couldn't have enough conversations to allay peoples fears, so that was
:08:40. > :08:45.a major factor. The health service came up. I don't want to burst your
:08:46. > :08:50.bubble, I know you've had fun with that clip, but come on, Theresa May
:08:51. > :08:53.was raised on the doorstep by people who pointed out that when she
:08:54. > :08:57.visited the constituency she had been asked four Times about the
:08:58. > :09:02.future of the hospital maternity unit and failed to answer. The
:09:03. > :09:07.concern is whether she sees it as a green light to close the maternity
:09:08. > :09:13.used it -- maternity unit at that hospital? That's leave that aside.
:09:14. > :09:17.Jeremy Corbyn, there is this big thing about him being a man of
:09:18. > :09:23.principle but the point is, in his leadership campaign in 2015 he said
:09:24. > :09:35.was he -- he was against new nuclear because it created Dicko problems.
:09:36. > :09:38.-- eco problems. Is he saying he is pro-nuclear now? The people in
:09:39. > :09:44.Sellafield didn't believe him. It wasn't fake news, they didn't
:09:45. > :09:47.believe him. What he did, after the nuclear disaster in Japan he said
:09:48. > :09:53.that if we close down the nuclear power plant and invested in new
:09:54. > :09:57.energy, renewables, then we could fill the gap. That hasn't happened
:09:58. > :10:02.and that's why he says now we need to make sure that we keep the lights
:10:03. > :10:09.on, we have a commitment to closing down our carbon emissions, we need
:10:10. > :10:16.to be able to cut them down so we must invest in Sellafield and
:10:17. > :10:19.elsewhere, which he committed to add Theresa May didn't. And now whether
:10:20. > :10:25.the result was a disaster for the party. Was it a disaster for the
:10:26. > :10:28.Labour Party? I think it was really disappointing, we had a really good
:10:29. > :10:33.candidate and we had a good ground campaign and we lost and we are very
:10:34. > :10:38.disappointed. Dave Prentice, the Unison boss who is traditionally a
:10:39. > :10:45.bit supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, called the result disastrous. Is he
:10:46. > :10:49.wrong? I think it is disappointing, disastrous is too high a bar, I
:10:50. > :10:54.don't think it was a disaster. There were particular factors, the
:10:55. > :10:58.confusion about Jeremy's attitude towards Sellafield was important. A
:10:59. > :11:02.lot of people rely on it for their jobs, high skilled jobs. Even though
:11:03. > :11:06.we try to make it clear what the position of the Labour Party was...
:11:07. > :11:11.The candidate's husband works in the nuclear industry, we tried to cut
:11:12. > :11:15.through the false news and stories being put around about the Labour
:11:16. > :11:19.Party policy but we weren't able to and that's disappointing. Would you
:11:20. > :11:24.say that Jeremy Corbyn is the problem? I would say that the
:11:25. > :11:28.messages we have are absolutely the right ones and we must make
:11:29. > :11:33.ourselves sharper in terms of getting the messages out. Jeremy
:11:34. > :11:37.Corbyn said there was no question to answer when he was asked whether he
:11:38. > :11:40.was a problem. Is that incredibly arrogant when the people of Copeland
:11:41. > :11:46.clearly didn't believe he was on their side and he didn't allay their
:11:47. > :11:51.fears? He didn't seem to take any responsibility at all for what
:11:52. > :11:55.happened in Copeland. I think it was down to local issues and it was down
:11:56. > :12:00.to whether or not we could convince local people that we were in favour
:12:01. > :12:04.of the major employer of the area. It's quite and the standard ball. We
:12:05. > :12:09.ran a good campaign on the house service -- quite understandable. My
:12:10. > :12:13.concern is whether Theresa May sees this as a green light to close down
:12:14. > :12:16.the maternity unit, but if she does she will have problems in Copeland
:12:17. > :12:22.because people are loving arms about it. You had five by-elections and
:12:23. > :12:28.you have dropped votes in every single one. Corbyn's personal
:12:29. > :12:36.ratings, -40, with every age group and region and social class, net
:12:37. > :12:41.unfavourable to Labour Party voters as well. How bad does it have to
:12:42. > :12:45.get? We have to fight on the issues and make sure that we make it clear
:12:46. > :12:49.to people that the Tory government don't have the answers to the
:12:50. > :12:52.problems that we face today. But if Jeremy Corbyn your leader can't do
:12:53. > :12:56.that, then he has a problem because he's been in his position for quite
:12:57. > :13:01.some time and if he can't make it clear, who can? If he doesn't think
:13:02. > :13:11.he's a problem, perhaps he is deluded? If you think politics is
:13:12. > :13:16.down to sop up, one person against another, quoting Latin that one
:13:17. > :13:20.leader, you are playing it in this way. I would like to talk about
:13:21. > :13:24.issues and what makes a difference in people's lives and what makes a
:13:25. > :13:28.difference is having the sort of government that will address the
:13:29. > :13:32.concerns of people, has some solutions. This government does not
:13:33. > :13:37.and we must make clear that we are the alternatives and we have
:13:38. > :13:42.alternative solutions that will work. It must be not laid at the
:13:43. > :13:45.door of one individual. But he is your leader. David Miliband has said
:13:46. > :13:49.that Labour is in the weakest position it has been in in 50 years
:13:50. > :13:56.and it doesn't get much more damning than that. We need to make sure that
:13:57. > :14:01.we have the answers to people's problems now. But you don't,
:14:02. > :14:09.clearly. We must make clear that we have those answers and we must keep
:14:10. > :14:13.working at it. You keep repeating that, when people in Copeland are
:14:14. > :14:19.listening... You keep asking the same question. You say you have to
:14:20. > :14:25.work at things but this was a major by-election for you come in a seat
:14:26. > :14:28.you've held for 35 years, albeit the majority is 2500. You would think
:14:29. > :14:32.that this is a seat that is naturally your territory and you
:14:33. > :14:38.couldn't hold on. And you say Jeremy Corbyn has nothing to do with the
:14:39. > :14:43.result? The whole picture, there were two by-elections and in Stoke,
:14:44. > :14:47.where Ukip said that this was a moment when they were going to win
:14:48. > :14:51.the Brexit capital of Britain, they were going to use it as a launch pad
:14:52. > :14:55.to attack Labour in its working class seats in the north of England,
:14:56. > :15:02.that's what they said, that's how it was built, people said Ukip were
:15:03. > :15:09.going to win, or the Tories... The Labour vote went down in Stoke. And
:15:10. > :15:18.we won the by-election, Kirsty. But that is naturally your territory.
:15:19. > :15:23.And Copeland... And Copeland was a marginal, it was a marginal with
:15:24. > :15:26.local factors. We've discussed Sellafield and the problems we had
:15:27. > :15:31.in relation to Sellafield and that is the picture, that is a truthful
:15:32. > :15:35.picture. You can quote Latin and put on as many silly programmes and
:15:36. > :15:39.clips as you want, but let's look at the issues and the difference
:15:40. > :15:44.between the two seats and the fights we had. We had a pivotal moment in
:15:45. > :15:48.Stoke and I think you should talk about that too. We will, thank you.
:15:49. > :15:51.Labour drew some comfort in Stoke - where the Labour candidate Gareth
:15:52. > :15:54.Snell saw off the new Ukip chairman Paul Nuttall - albeit
:15:55. > :16:01.Cut their majority in half and we've unified the party like never before
:16:02. > :16:10.But Stoke was dubbed the Brexit capital in the referendum,
:16:11. > :16:14.where working class voters had voted in their droves to leave the EU.
:16:15. > :16:18.So why did Ukip not do better, and with their new leader at the helm?
:16:19. > :16:19.With us is Neil Hamilton, Welsh Assembly member,
:16:20. > :16:35.Could you explain why you did so badly in Stoke? We didn't do badly.
:16:36. > :16:40.As you said, we had a modest increase in our vote. We got 25% of
:16:41. > :16:43.the vote and beat the Conservatives into third place. But that was an
:16:44. > :16:48.area where you did strongly in the referendum and you were not able to
:16:49. > :16:51.capitalise on the, even with your new leader. It is a mistake to
:16:52. > :16:52.believe that just because people vote for Brexit, they will vote for
:16:53. > :17:00.Ukip. There were people in our own party
:17:01. > :17:02.who made that mistake, and expectations were raised
:17:03. > :17:06.unrealistically. We could have won in Stoke if there had been tactical
:17:07. > :17:10.voting by the Tories to defeat Labour. That is what happened in
:17:11. > :17:16.Copeland, because the Ukip vote in Copeland was squeezed and went to
:17:17. > :17:21.the Tories, so they won the seat. It didn't happen in Stoke, so we just
:17:22. > :17:26.failed to win it. We made a modest increase in our support and we
:17:27. > :17:32.fought on the ground the biggest campaign Ukip has ever fought in a
:17:33. > :17:36.by-election. Let's just say that Ukip's finest moment was when you
:17:37. > :17:40.drove a vote on the referendum. You might say that your finest moment
:17:41. > :17:45.was when you got the Brexit majority. No shame in saying job
:17:46. > :17:52.done. But Ukip is far more than just a pressure group to take Britain out
:17:53. > :17:57.of Europe. In the Welsh assembly, we fought an election last May and we
:17:58. > :18:01.got seven members elected. We hold the balance of power in the Welsh
:18:02. > :18:05.assembly, and all the issues we debate our domestic issues. Ukip now
:18:06. > :18:10.has to refocus itself, because after we leave the EU in two years' time,
:18:11. > :18:15.we will be operating in a domestic UK context. What will the focus of
:18:16. > :18:19.Ukip be to separate it from the other parties come and do you have a
:18:20. > :18:23.problem given that you have one spinster MP in Douglas Carswell that
:18:24. > :18:29.you don't talk to? I talk to Douglas a lot, actually -- one Westminster
:18:30. > :18:33.MP. We have policies, such as, we would like to take 8 billion out of
:18:34. > :18:38.the foreign aid budget and put that into the NHS. We would like to cut
:18:39. > :18:41.300 quid off everybody's household electricity bills by stopping
:18:42. > :18:44.subsidies for wind farms etc. We would like to democratise the health
:18:45. > :18:49.service and we want a return to grammar schools. We have a range of
:18:50. > :18:53.policies which we think will be vote winners. Labour is clearly in
:18:54. > :19:01.terminal decline. To have lost a seat like Copeland, to have
:19:02. > :19:09.converted the content -- Stoke-on-Trent Central from a safe
:19:10. > :19:15.seat to a position where they got only 37%, Ukip had no votes 25 years
:19:16. > :19:20.ago and now we have 25%. Would you accept that going after the Labour
:19:21. > :19:23.vote doesn't work any more? Of course it works. Stoke-on-Trent
:19:24. > :19:29.Central is one seat, but it was number 72 on our target list. There
:19:30. > :19:34.are 71 seats that are higher on the target list. In different parts of
:19:35. > :19:39.the country, Ukip will do better or worse. Labour are obviously very
:19:40. > :19:43.catering a position in the political system -- they are vacating the
:19:44. > :19:45.position they have traditionally held, and Ukip are ready to move
:19:46. > :19:46.into that void. Few would demur from the idea
:19:47. > :19:49.that this was a critical day for Jeremy Corbyn -
:19:50. > :19:52.even if he resolutely denies it. But what about the man
:19:53. > :19:54.who was one of the first What shape does he think
:19:55. > :19:57.Labour's in now? Here's a Viewsnight
:19:58. > :19:59.from the New Statesman The by-elections aren't
:20:00. > :20:06.the end of Corbyn. Since Jeremy Corbyn was elected,
:20:07. > :20:09.commentators on the right and the left have lined up
:20:10. > :20:14.to predict that this event that We're joined by John Rentoul,
:20:15. > :21:49.who is Chief Political Commentator at The Independent, Ava Vidal,
:21:50. > :21:53.who is a comedian and writer and Fraser Nelson,
:21:54. > :22:06.who is the editor of The Spectator. First of all, how healthy a state do
:22:07. > :22:10.you think politics is in at the moment? Pretty healthy. An effective
:22:11. > :22:17.opposition? Well, no, but that is not how you judge a healthy
:22:18. > :22:20.democracy. You can see parties changing to the circumstances. The
:22:21. > :22:26.Conservatives have reoriented after Brexit. Theresa May is less popular
:22:27. > :22:37.the further north in the country you go. -- she is more popular the
:22:38. > :22:44.further north you go. You are seeing some sign of life in the dead Lib
:22:45. > :22:48.Dem body. And the Labour Party is is it's own personal agony right now.
:22:49. > :22:56.Ukip, you see them trying to supplant Labour as the party of the
:22:57. > :23:05.working class, but failing in Stoke. But it is interesting, this idea
:23:06. > :23:10.that the 48% of the population voted to remain. But who is the effective
:23:11. > :23:17.innit effective voice for them? It is not Labour. It was Tony Blair.
:23:18. > :23:26.But his position is not the position that the Labour Party can adopt. He
:23:27. > :23:34.can articulate it well. And take the blame for Copeland? Well, no. They
:23:35. > :23:38.have tried to blame everything - the weather, Peter Mandelson, Tony
:23:39. > :23:43.Blair, all the rest of it, all events in the Labour Party going
:23:44. > :23:47.back to the 1950s. Copeland was a disaster. And the Labour Party is
:23:48. > :23:53.going to have to deal with that. How does the Labour Party deal with
:23:54. > :23:57.that? Jeremy Corbyn resolutely, even in the face of John McDonnell and
:23:58. > :24:03.Dave Prentice, refuses to think that this disaster is anything to do with
:24:04. > :24:06.him. It is partly because of him, because of the way he has been
:24:07. > :24:11.treated. From the minute he stepped into power, he has consistently been
:24:12. > :24:16.undermined within his own party and by the press. Even tonight, when you
:24:17. > :24:19.introduce, you said the Corbyn supporters are still clinging on to
:24:20. > :24:25.hope. The way you framed that is the way it is constantly friend when it
:24:26. > :24:30.comes to Jeremy. You just lost a massive by-election. He has not just
:24:31. > :24:34.lost a massive by-election. The figures for Labour were going down
:24:35. > :24:39.in Copeland. Lee Young wrote a fantastic piece in the Independent
:24:40. > :24:44.today. He pointed out that the figures for Labour were going down
:24:45. > :24:45.in Copeland since Tony Blair's days. And Labour had not done anything
:24:46. > :25:04.about it. That is the point. A Labour minister called it a great
:25:05. > :25:09.position to be in. Said what? Kat Smith said the result in Stoke was
:25:10. > :25:11.an extraordinary achievement. I was talking about Copeland. But I do
:25:12. > :25:17.think that was a good achievement, because the way that everybody was
:25:18. > :25:22.speaking, everyone had believed that Ukip stood a chance up there. So the
:25:23. > :25:30.fact that Labour held onto the seat, but how they did is a -- another
:25:31. > :25:35.matter. Jeremy Corbyn has led the fight starts here, and it obviously,
:25:36. > :25:38.he voted in the lobbies with Theresa May on the question of article 50,
:25:39. > :25:41.so it is a bit late to stop the fight. People don't think
:25:42. > :25:47.necessarily that this behaviour shows someone ready for a fight. But
:25:48. > :25:51.if you look at the results, take Stoke, a very pro-Brexit
:25:52. > :25:54.constituency. They had a very pro-Remain Labour MP who actually
:25:55. > :26:00.won and Ukip hardly did very well at all. He's talking about the fight
:26:01. > :26:03.starts here. It is not as if Brexit has completely changed politics. It
:26:04. > :26:08.has shipped it a bit, but if Brexit was the defining issue, Labour would
:26:09. > :26:13.not have won in Stoke. So from the two elections, we can see a more
:26:14. > :26:18.nuanced picture. I think the Tories would be happy if Labour clung on in
:26:19. > :26:23.Stoke, because they suspect we will cling on to Jeremy Corbyn for
:26:24. > :26:31.longer. Does he want to stay? I don't think he does. He does. All
:26:32. > :26:43.right, he does. But I think he feels a sense of duty.
:26:44. > :26:52.The fact is that people love to paint Jeremy Corbyn as this week
:26:53. > :26:57.leader, clinging on. I don't do any one of us on this panel could take
:26:58. > :27:00.the amount of criticism that Jeremy Corbyn has to take, the amount of
:27:01. > :27:04.backstabbing within his own party. It is made out that he is a weak
:27:05. > :27:13.person. He is a very strong person. You have to be to tolerate what he
:27:14. > :27:21.has had to tolerate every week. He was a complete maverick on the
:27:22. > :27:25.backbenches. He did vote against the Government, but he did it in a
:27:26. > :27:28.respectful way. He's not doing it in the way that people criticise him
:27:29. > :27:33.for. He is not sending around snide e-mails and calling people names. I
:27:34. > :27:37.think Jeremy Corbyn should be stronger. He keeps talking about
:27:38. > :27:43.nicer politics. If he doesn't know politics isn't nice by now, I'm
:27:44. > :27:47.sorry. I agree with you. There was no moderate saying he has got to go
:27:48. > :27:51.now. They have been very quiet, because they have worked out that
:27:52. > :27:55.the hard left in Labour hasn't just taken over the leadership, they have
:27:56. > :27:58.taken over the membership as well. So even if you were to come up with
:27:59. > :28:03.the perfect candidate, then the Labour membership as it is now would
:28:04. > :28:06.not have it. The unions are beginning to say Jeremy has to take
:28:07. > :28:09.responsibility for what happens now. A couple of caustic comments do not
:28:10. > :28:13.show that they are losing patience with him. And a lot of Labour Party
:28:14. > :28:18.members would rather that Jeremy Corbyn or someone like him captured
:28:19. > :28:21.the Labour Party and got into power. Not everybody judges Corbyn's
:28:22. > :28:27.success by whether he is knocking on the door of Number Ten. The most
:28:28. > :28:29.important thing is what will happen to the 300,000 members and
:28:30. > :28:33.supporters who voted for Jeremy Corbyn just five months ago. I think
:28:34. > :28:39.a lot of them are beginning to be disillusioned. It may take a long
:28:40. > :28:45.time, but I think they were very upset about Jeremy Corbyn whipping
:28:46. > :28:52.his MPs into the Conservative lobby on the Brexit bill. But not actually
:28:53. > :28:57.chastising those who didn't. But that doesn't matter, that is
:28:58. > :29:04.politics. But losing Copeland was such a serious blow. There will be a
:29:05. > :29:09.state of denial, where Emily Thornberry will say it is a marginal
:29:10. > :29:12.or something. But that was the Government gaining a seat from the
:29:13. > :29:20.opposition, and that doesn't happen in British politics. I think he will
:29:21. > :29:23.go... Before Copeland, he could have survived until the next general
:29:24. > :29:27.election. Now, I don't think so. Either he gives up all the people
:29:28. > :29:31.around him will lose faith in him. It will have to be the people around
:29:32. > :29:35.him that lose faith in him, because while he has the support of so many,
:29:36. > :29:39.he is not going to let them down and go. Thank you all very much.
:29:40. > :29:41.Before we go, the Government announced today that it would be
:29:42. > :29:43.providing an incentive to universities to offer more
:29:44. > :29:46.The move has sparked criticism that students will be rushed
:29:47. > :29:50.through the course material and not have the time and space to really
:29:51. > :29:53.Well, Newsnight has been given a sneak peek
:29:54. > :29:55.at what the new condensed history courses could look like.
:29:56. > :29:58.MUSIC: We Didn't Start The Fire by Billy Joel
:29:59. > :30:03.# South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
:30:04. > :30:05.# Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
:30:06. > :30:08.# North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe
:30:09. > :30:18.# Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
:30:19. > :30:21.# Brando, The King And I, and The Catcher In The Rye
:30:22. > :30:25.# Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen
:30:26. > :30:28.# Marciano, Liberace, Santayana, goodbye
:30:29. > :30:35.# It was always burning since the world's been turning
:30:36. > :30:49.As promised, much calmer today. Having said that, the weather is
:30:50. > :30:53.going downhill for the weekend again. We are not predicting any
:30:54. > :30:58.storms, but the winds will be picking up once more and there is
:30:59. > :31:01.cloud and rain on the way. After a wet morning, it may brighten up
:31:02. > :31:05.across Northern Ireland and Scotland. There will be a few
:31:06. > :31:08.showers around, but the weather is looking better here for the second
:31:09. > :31:11.half of the day. The further south you go, the thicker the club will
:31:12. > :31:12.be. Most of the rain is on