:00:00. > :00:08.Tonight - crimes against humanity in Burma.
:00:09. > :00:10.Our own investigation reveals shocking human rights abuse
:00:11. > :00:19.Committed by the Burmese army against the Rohingya?
:00:20. > :00:23.By the Burmese, by the Myanmar military
:00:24. > :00:28.border guard or the police and the security forces.
:00:29. > :00:30.How could this go unstopped in a country which now
:00:31. > :00:33.has Aung San Suu Chi - winner of a Nobel Peace Prize -
:00:34. > :00:39.Can I ask you a question please? The United Nations has accused this
:00:40. > :00:42.country of committing crimes against humanity. Do you have any response
:00:43. > :00:46.Pope Francis says he's open to married men joining
:00:47. > :00:48.the Catholic priesthood, but is the man exploring for such
:00:49. > :00:51.radical answers to the Church's dilemmas facing a mutiny from deep
:00:52. > :00:57.And - when she was 16 years old, this woman was raped
:00:58. > :01:02.We'll discuss their unique and painful journey from violence
:01:03. > :01:17.Tonight we begin with extraordinary revelations about human
:01:18. > :01:22.Last year, after decades spent under house arrest,
:01:23. > :01:24.the Nobel Peace Prize winner, Aung San Suu Kyi, won
:01:25. > :01:27.an historic election victory to international acclaim.
:01:28. > :01:29.She still shares power with the Burmese military -
:01:30. > :01:32.which ruled the country for decades - in what is a very uneasy alliance.
:01:33. > :01:34.Tonight, however, Newsnight and Our World's joint investigation
:01:35. > :01:36.can reveal the extent of the appalling treatment
:01:37. > :01:39.of the minority Rohinga Muslim community and what seems to be
:01:40. > :01:42.the lack of effort to prevent what the United Nations is calling
:01:43. > :01:45.Jonah Fisher has this report - which contains
:01:46. > :02:07.For the last five months, we've been receiving graphic
:02:08. > :02:11.video from a part of Myanmar that is closed to the outside world.
:02:12. > :02:28.The Burmese government wants to keep what's happening secret.
:02:29. > :02:36.Myanmar's democracy icon turned leader?
:02:37. > :02:41.The United Nations has accused the country of committing crimes against
:02:42. > :02:48.humanity, do you have any response to that?
:02:49. > :02:50.November 2016, thousands of Myanmar's Rohingya Muslim
:02:51. > :02:53.Heading towards the border with Bangladesh.
:02:54. > :02:55.They are fleeing a conflict that fled again when this group
:02:56. > :02:59.of Rohingya militants attacked police checkpoints,
:03:00. > :03:05.killing nine officers, and seizing guns and ammunition.
:03:06. > :03:07.The Burmese response was to close the area,
:03:08. > :03:10.and the army began what it called clearance operations.
:03:11. > :03:16.Civilians as well as militants have been targeted.
:03:17. > :03:20.Unable to reach the conflict area in Myanmar, we have come
:03:21. > :03:23.next door to Bangladesh, to try and work out
:03:24. > :03:30.There are now more than 70,000 Rohingya sheltering in makeshift
:03:31. > :03:38.They have been called the world's most unwanted people.
:03:39. > :03:41.Back in Myanmar, they are the lowest of the low, denied citizenship
:03:42. > :03:45.and widely seen as illegal immigrants, who belong
:03:46. > :03:53.He says he left his village in November, when it was attacked
:03:54. > :03:54.by Burmese soldiers, but his elderly father
:03:55. > :04:37.of helicopters overhead, burning homes and large
:04:38. > :04:45.All our smartphone footage has been given to us by a group that has been
:04:46. > :04:49.meticulously documenting events and verifying video.
:04:50. > :04:52.The Government accepts that at least 25 people died here,
:04:53. > :04:55.but have claimed the Rohingya have been torching their own
:04:56. > :05:09.A year ago, Burmese history had seemed set on a very different path.
:05:10. > :05:12.Released from house arrest national heroine Aung San Suu Kyi had secured
:05:13. > :05:15.Overnight, decades of brutal military rule came to
:05:16. > :05:29.But her freedom and power have their hims. The Burmese generals have
:05:30. > :05:33.refused to hand over control of key ministries and the security forces.
:05:34. > :05:36.Since October, the United Nations and human rights groups have
:05:37. > :05:38.reported hundreds of cases of murder, rain and abduction
:05:39. > :05:51.Under international pressure to do something, Aung San Suu Kyi set up
:05:52. > :05:53.an investigation team, there are no Rohingya on it
:05:54. > :05:55.and it's led by this man, the Vice President
:05:56. > :06:01.Its methodology and treatment of victims have been criticised
:06:02. > :06:09.Take this encounter between a Rohingya woman and one
:06:10. > :06:15.a group of women being forced into the bushes but soldiers.
:06:16. > :06:18.The office has dismissed much of the testimony from the Rohingya
:06:19. > :06:22.as fake and this was broadcast on state TV as proof
:06:23. > :06:49.We tracked down the woman to a refugee camp in Bangladesh.
:06:50. > :06:51.She told us that she had spoken to the investigators
:06:52. > :07:19.after being promised she would face no reprisals.
:07:20. > :07:22.She told us she was still recovering from what the soldiers did
:07:23. > :07:42.Blocked, just like us from the conflict area in Myanmar,
:07:43. > :07:46.human rights experts have also been speaking to the refugees.
:07:47. > :07:49.At the airport, a United Nations envoy told me she was shocked
:07:50. > :08:07.Definite crimes against humanity. Committed by the Burmese army? By
:08:08. > :08:14.the border guards or the police or the security forces. Crimes against
:08:15. > :08:17.humanity is obviously very serious, how much responsibility should
:08:18. > :08:23.Myanmar's leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, bear for this? At the end of the
:08:24. > :08:31.day, it is the Government, the civilian Government that has to
:08:32. > :08:36.answer and respond to these massive cases of horrific torture, and very
:08:37. > :08:47.inhuman crimes, they have committed against their own people.
:08:48. > :08:49.The area where these crimes took place is remote,
:08:50. > :08:53.But we can fly to the biggest city in Rakhine state, Sittwe.
:08:54. > :09:00.With Buddhists and Rohingya Muslims living side by side.
:09:01. > :09:02.When violence erupted in 2012, Rohingya were forced
:09:03. > :09:14.Now, the once busy central mosque lies abandoned.
:09:15. > :09:18.On the streets and in the tea shops it is hard to find anyone with much
:09:19. > :09:23.sympathy for their departed Rohingya neighbours.
:09:24. > :09:31.Most Burmese see them as illegal immigrants.
:09:32. > :09:46.Could you see a day when the Rohingya will come back here and
:09:47. > :09:56.they will live side by side? What is the solution to the problems here?
:09:57. > :10:07.Checkpoints mark the entrance to a Muslim ghetto, this
:10:08. > :10:19.It is an island in Sittwe surrounded on all sides by Buddhist homes,
:10:20. > :10:26.the fence and the police keep the two communities apart.
:10:27. > :10:30.At the entrance women by a Rohingya community leader.
:10:31. > :11:12.Are the secret police always inside the camp? Really? Many what would
:11:13. > :11:26.happen if you went out that gate? Beaten by who?
:11:27. > :11:34.Every other day there's a list given to the police, and then those people
:11:35. > :11:40.are on the list, are allowed to leave and there is an escort
:11:41. > :11:46.organised, by the police, to protect the Rohingya when they go out they
:11:47. > :11:50.don't get attacked. With go to midday prayers.
:11:51. > :12:01.There have been Muslims living in Rakhine state for centuries.
:12:02. > :12:16.This mosque dates back almost 140 years.
:12:17. > :12:24.When Sittwe burned five years ago they were among those who stood
:12:25. > :12:42.their ground and refused to leave. Were you expecting Aung San Suu Kyi
:12:43. > :13:08.to be more sympathetic to the plight of the Rohingya?
:13:09. > :13:16.Its union day and in the town the crowds are gathering for a rare
:13:17. > :13:21.chance to see Aung San Suu Kyi. This event is something of a sham,
:13:22. > :13:26.it is celebrating Myanmar's ethnic diversity but the country has in
:13:27. > :13:36.fact seen decades of war between the army and rebel groups from ethnic
:13:37. > :13:41.minorities. As the event gets under way, Aung
:13:42. > :13:44.San Suu Kyi sits silently with the general, she knows she needs their
:13:45. > :13:49.support if she is to deliver her biggest policy goal.
:13:50. > :13:50.A nationwide peace agreement with all the ethnic minorities, apart
:13:51. > :14:12.from the Rohingya. Since she came to power, all our
:14:13. > :14:18.requests to speak with Aung San Suu Kyi have been rejected.
:14:19. > :14:22.BBC, can I just ask you a question? The UN has accused the country of
:14:23. > :14:32.committing crimes against humanity. Do you have any response to that?
:14:33. > :14:39.She doesn't like people putting difficult questions to her. With
:14:40. > :14:45.Aung San Suu Kyi unwilling to talk to us, we arrange to meet one of her
:14:46. > :14:49.oldest political allies. He is the spokesman for the National
:14:50. > :14:54.League nor democracy, Aung San Suu Kyi's party. I asked why she isn't
:14:55. > :15:01.speaking out. Out. Not because she doesn't care.
:15:02. > :15:09.So you think the criticism which has been levelled against Aung San Suu
:15:10. > :15:11.Kyi, particularly over the treatment of the Rohingya in Rakhine state,
:15:12. > :15:29.you think that is unfair. It is a serious problem, the UN has
:15:30. > :15:36.said maybe crimes against humanity are taking place.
:15:37. > :15:41.The most Burmese life in the last few years has certainly changed for
:15:42. > :15:44.the better. But the Rohingya are still waiting
:15:45. > :15:51.and their hopes are fading. So far, the price of power for Aung
:15:52. > :15:53.San Suu Kyi has been silence, on the principles, and values that she once
:15:54. > :15:56.principles, and values that she once held so dear.
:15:57. > :16:00.And you can watch the extended version of that Newsnight-Our World
:16:01. > :16:02.documentary, "Freedom and Fear in Myanmar", this Saturday
:16:03. > :16:06.and Sunday on the News Channel and on the iPlayer.
:16:07. > :16:08.Pope Francis told the German newspaper Die Zeit today
:16:09. > :16:11.that he is open to married men becoming priests, to combat
:16:12. > :16:13.the dwindling numbers entering the priesthood
:16:14. > :16:19.It's the latest exhortation from a leader who's shown himself
:16:20. > :16:23.unafraid of revolutionary change and the controversy it brings.
:16:24. > :16:26.Many Christians welcome his openness, and his willingness
:16:27. > :16:30.to explore new solutions to old problems.
:16:31. > :16:32.But within the Vatican establishment there is something akin
:16:33. > :16:39.Next week will mark the fourth anniversary
:16:40. > :16:44.His Papacy injected fresh impetus to a modernisation agenda which has
:16:45. > :16:51.electrified liberal Catholics but alarmed conservatives.
:16:52. > :16:54.Recently, the rumblings of discontent from the traditionalist
:16:55. > :16:59.Francis wants to give communion to some divorcees
:17:00. > :17:04.His opponents say this undermines the Church's teaching on the family.
:17:05. > :17:09.In November, a letter to the Pope from four conservative
:17:10. > :17:16.It expressed their doubts and concerns and challenged
:17:17. > :17:21.the Pope's authority by asking him to clarify his teachings.
:17:22. > :17:25.Last month, anonymous posters criticising Francis appeared
:17:26. > :17:29.across Rome and a spoof front page of the Vatican newspaper mocking
:17:30. > :17:34.the Pontiff was sent to the city's cardinals.
:17:35. > :17:36.Opposition from the church's conservative wing might be more
:17:37. > :17:40.of the same for the Pope but Vatican watchers are speculating that
:17:41. > :17:43.a group of moderate cardinals once loyal to Francis are so concerned
:17:44. > :17:45.by the growing schism, there may be soft murmurings
:17:46. > :17:54.The Vatican's powerful Secretary of State, Cardinal Pietro Parolin,
:17:55. > :18:03.He is a veteran diplomat, seen as a safe pair of hands who might
:18:04. > :18:08.A big problem for prospective mutineers, there is no obvious way
:18:09. > :18:10.in canon law to force a Pope out of office.
:18:11. > :18:15.And with Francis' sky-high popularity amongst lay Catholics,
:18:16. > :18:20.it's unclear whether so-called moral suasion alone could
:18:21. > :18:28.realistically lead to another ex-Pope in the Vatican.
:18:29. > :18:30.Joseph Shaw chairs the Latin Mass Society of England and Wales,
:18:31. > :18:37.and has publicly thrown his weight behind the concerned cardinals.
:18:38. > :18:45.Thank you for joining us. There are Catholics and non-Catholics who
:18:46. > :18:49.believe this Pope is one of the best adverts for religion the world has
:18:50. > :18:56.seen for decades. What are your concerns? My concerns and the
:18:57. > :19:01.concerns of many people is the things he has been saying, they have
:19:02. > :19:06.been interpreted in different ways in different parts of the world and
:19:07. > :19:12.different ways by bishops handing down guidelines for priests. This
:19:13. > :19:15.means that ordinary lay people and priests do not really know what they
:19:16. > :19:22.are supposed to be doing and the job of the Pope is to confirm his
:19:23. > :19:26.brethren in the faith so he is not doing what we would expect him to
:19:27. > :19:32.do, which is to explain to us what the teaching of the church 's. Is it
:19:33. > :19:35.just that he lacks clarity or is this the controversy of some of the
:19:36. > :19:39.things he is suggesting, for example his move today to welcome married
:19:40. > :19:45.men into the priesthood? That sort of thing is much more of the sort of
:19:46. > :19:51.thing that we would expect to be able to handle, those proposals,
:19:52. > :19:56.they might be good or bad and arguments to be made but this is a
:19:57. > :19:59.Prudential situation, a matter of judgment whether that is a good idea
:20:00. > :20:06.and I personally do not think that is a great idea but there is not any
:20:07. > :20:11.theological objection to that... Let me ask you, if the Pope teaches it,
:20:12. > :20:16.does that become the teaching of the church? Do you take that as they
:20:17. > :20:23.handed down judgment from the man you have elected? It is not as
:20:24. > :20:27.simple as that, they Pope can teach things as a private person and you
:20:28. > :20:32.do not have to agree. Pope John Paul II said things about the death
:20:33. > :20:37.penalty, he made it clear that was not the teaching of the church, the
:20:38. > :20:43.teaching of the church in catechism says one thing and what he said in
:20:44. > :20:46.other documents is somewhat different and those are not imposed
:20:47. > :20:52.upon us as Catholics as a matter of belief. Let me try to understand,
:20:53. > :20:59.you have talked about confusion and concern, how much genuine anger is
:21:00. > :21:04.there and is that enough to ferment these rumblings of the need for
:21:05. > :21:08.change? We're talking about different groups of people, on the
:21:09. > :21:13.one hand there are priests at the coal face, unsure of what the church
:21:14. > :21:18.is asking them to do and they are besieged from people from both sides
:21:19. > :21:21.putting pressure on them to do things they are not comfortable with
:21:22. > :21:26.and that is a difficult position for them to be in. On the other hand,
:21:27. > :21:31.you have cardinals in the Vatican and maybe they have heard about this
:21:32. > :21:34.problem but really they are in a very different position, if they are
:21:35. > :21:41.concerned about the Pope, they are concerned about this schism, which
:21:42. > :21:46.means parts of the church stopping to recognise other parts of the
:21:47. > :21:52.church. That is something which is not inconceivable, unfortunately,
:21:53. > :21:58.under German church and other areas of the world, they seem to be going
:21:59. > :22:02.in a very steadfast direction whereas the Polish are not going in
:22:03. > :22:07.that direction. If they stop talking to each other and stop recognising
:22:08. > :22:09.each other as part of the church, that would be a formal schism. Thank
:22:10. > :22:18.you very much for joining us. A warning that survivors of sexual
:22:19. > :22:20.violence might find the next report disturbing.
:22:21. > :22:23.When she was 16, Thordis Elva was raped by a man she knew -
:22:24. > :22:26.the man she had at that point considered to be her
:22:27. > :22:29.The ordeal was two hours long, and brutal.
:22:30. > :22:31.It left her physically damaged in the short term
:22:32. > :22:34.Her story is - worryingly - not that unusual.
:22:35. > :22:37.In nine out of 10 cases of sexual assault, the perpetrator
:22:38. > :22:41.In a majority of cases, it is a partner or ex-partner.
:22:42. > :22:43.What is unusual, though, is what happened next.
:22:44. > :22:46.She got back in touch with her rapist eight years later,
:22:47. > :22:48.and began an exchange of emails with him to understand what had
:22:49. > :22:51.motivated the violence and what effect it had had
:22:52. > :22:55.Eventually, they decided to come face-to-face.
:22:56. > :22:58.She travelled from Iceland, her home, he from Australia,
:22:59. > :23:03.and they met in Cape Town, where they spent a week together.
:23:04. > :23:05.They wrote a book to chart what they learned, called
:23:06. > :23:17.There are both with me, thank you for coming here. Why did you get
:23:18. > :23:23.back in touch after something so excruciatingly painful. It was
:23:24. > :23:30.something I had to do. The first thing I did was try to shut down my
:23:31. > :23:35.pain, I did not recognise what had happened to me for what it was, I
:23:36. > :23:40.had this misconception as a 16-year-old that rape was something
:23:41. > :23:43.that happened when a knife wielding lunatic would jump out of the bush
:23:44. > :23:48.and attack you because I was under these impressions from the media,
:23:49. > :23:54.which over report on those crimes when in actuality, as you say, it is
:23:55. > :24:02.so often somebody you know. I tried to shut down this pain and I became
:24:03. > :24:06.very effective overachiever, telling my schedule because standing still
:24:07. > :24:11.offered too much reflection on the past, which was too painful. Despite
:24:12. > :24:14.me projecting this successful image to the outside I was very much
:24:15. > :24:19.hurting in private and I was numbing my pain with alcohol, self harm,
:24:20. > :24:24.eating disorders and they hit rock bottom at the age of 25 and had long
:24:25. > :24:28.given up the hope of legal justice because it did not press charges
:24:29. > :24:35.right away and my perpetrator moved to the other side of the planet so I
:24:36. > :24:39.needed, nonetheless, for him to take responsibility for his actions. And
:24:40. > :24:46.you made that move? Yes, I did not have high hopes but I needed to do
:24:47. > :24:51.that for me. Tom, you responded to her e-mail straightaway with an
:24:52. > :24:57.apology. Did you see yourself as a rapist? Do you call yourself that?
:24:58. > :25:02.There is an internal recognition absolutely that no -- that what I
:25:03. > :25:06.did was nothing other than rape, it has been a long process of
:25:07. > :25:11.understanding the gravity of my actions and the damage I have caused
:25:12. > :25:18.but as much as I have come to understand, there was a sense of
:25:19. > :25:23.entitlement and undeserving nature where I sanctioned my own needs over
:25:24. > :25:27.the top of any understanding or for the well-being of Thordis. When you
:25:28. > :25:36.read Thordis, you are talking about the moment she was barely conscious.
:25:37. > :25:42.-- raped. What made you do that? I made no intent, there was no
:25:43. > :25:47.maliciousness in trying to re-inhabit my 18-year-old self and
:25:48. > :25:51.from what I find, there was an attitude, when a Boeing goes out
:25:52. > :25:57.partying with his girlfriend that he is entitled to sex. -- when a boy.
:25:58. > :26:04.And I took that attitude to a very dark place. Being involved in this,
:26:05. > :26:09.I understand this is a pervasive issue happening behind closed doors
:26:10. > :26:13.and I would like to be not complicit in the continuation of that. Because
:26:14. > :26:22.you were the one that reached out to Tom through e-mail and the idea that
:26:23. > :26:26.you are a victim, an e-mail from the perpetrator might arrive in your
:26:27. > :26:31.inbox. If it happened the other way around, what would your reaction
:26:32. > :26:35.have been? I do not know, that is not how things unfolded. To make
:26:36. > :26:40.things clear, we're not putting this form as a formula and people should
:26:41. > :26:45.be contacting each other whatsoever, that is not what we suggest, we're
:26:46. > :26:51.just offering our story in the hope that this will do a number of
:26:52. > :26:55.things. To shift the focus from the survivor, whose behaviour has long
:26:56. > :27:01.been subject to scrutiny, which contributes to this victim blaming
:27:02. > :27:03.culture, and shift that focus on to the perpetrator, were the
:27:04. > :27:11.responsibility lies. And we are hoping to dismantle the monster
:27:12. > :27:17.myth, that it is this unknown armed assailant, because the monster myth
:27:18. > :27:20.hurts the survivors, it makes it less likely that they will be
:27:21. > :27:25.believed when they come forth with their stories if the perpetrator
:27:26. > :27:31.does not conform to that misconception. Which very few
:27:32. > :27:35.actually do. Those are the hopes in what this could potentially achieve,
:27:36. > :27:40.this conversation we offer. You call this a conversation, the offering of
:27:41. > :27:45.the story, people watching this will just say, you should be in jail, you
:27:46. > :27:51.should not be getting publicity or any reward, monetary or otherwise,
:27:52. > :27:58.from this and you should not be encouraging this sanitisation of the
:27:59. > :28:01.crime? Yes, and I say, we live in a world where sexual violence is
:28:02. > :28:08.normalised and dismissed as locker room talk, where it is not only a
:28:09. > :28:12.pervasive problem, victim blaming is also very visible in all of this and
:28:13. > :28:18.those are things that I want to challenge because if a perpetrator
:28:19. > :28:21.steps forth and acknowledges not only the hurt he has caused but
:28:22. > :28:26.undermines the need for responsibility to be taken so much
:28:27. > :28:31.more often, it should be taken in every case, but in my mind that is
:28:32. > :28:36.not normalisation, that is the antidote to normalisation, it hurts
:28:37. > :28:42.and we need to make this stop. You are prepared to go through life
:28:43. > :28:46.talking to people and saying, I have raped, I need forgiveness, that is
:28:47. > :28:53.what you have carved out for yourself? Yes, this is a case that I
:28:54. > :29:03.recognise that I am being offered some reputable platforms being here
:29:04. > :29:06.tonight and they do not seek to increase my bank balance, any
:29:07. > :29:10.proceeds from this book will be going to charity, I will not profit
:29:11. > :29:15.in any way. I'm not seeking to ask for forgiveness or any kind of light
:29:16. > :29:21.from the public perception of this story. I have already been involved
:29:22. > :29:24.in conversations with men and I have seen an investment in wanting to
:29:25. > :29:28.discuss this and that there is a background position for me to
:29:29. > :29:31.continue to be involved in those discussions, I cannot expect that
:29:32. > :29:38.but if that is available I will certainly be invested in those rooms
:29:39. > :29:41.and discussions. One question that comes... The women's Festival
:29:42. > :29:44.decided to move your tour, they thought it was not a suitable
:29:45. > :29:51.platform to have you there. Why would you approach women's festivals
:29:52. > :29:54.and groups when you want to be talking to men's clubs, going around
:29:55. > :30:00.Australia and having this conversation? Are you doing that? In
:30:01. > :30:06.the future, to be honest, I'm not sure. One of the things that came
:30:07. > :30:11.from this, when it was released, the way it is framed is a women's issue
:30:12. > :30:17.and I have no right to demand much in this but this is a case of, I am
:30:18. > :30:23.pleased we still have a chance to speak outside of the festival, I am
:30:24. > :30:27.grateful for that and the fact we still get to speak to a London
:30:28. > :30:34.audience. We have explained that you want to remove the myth of the
:30:35. > :30:39.monster with the knife in rape and you are very honest, when you meet
:30:40. > :30:45.in Cape Town, there is an attraction that comes back between you. This is
:30:46. > :30:51.taboo stuff, I felt an attraction to the man who raped me. It was not an
:30:52. > :30:57.attraction so much as an acknowledgement, what we had was not
:30:58. > :31:00.just one night. That is where personal relationships, when
:31:01. > :31:03.violence comes into that dynamic, it becomes confusing and messy and I
:31:04. > :31:10.identified him as somebody who caused me immeasurable pain but this
:31:11. > :31:13.was also somebody I had happier moments with but this was a fitting
:31:14. > :31:20.recognition that they had to make because it was not a simple history.
:31:21. > :31:23.Do you see yourself as friends? Is this a friendship you offer?
:31:24. > :31:30.Absolutely not, we are collaborators on a project that, yes, its focus on
:31:31. > :31:33.our personal history but that extends beyond us because
:31:34. > :31:39.unfortunately this is a problem that touches the lives of so many people.
:31:40. > :31:47.Would you still send Tom to jail if the statute of limitations had not
:31:48. > :31:53.run out? That has run out but would I still send him to jail? What we
:31:54. > :31:57.have done is we have worked to the bottom of a very hurtful and painful
:31:58. > :32:02.history. And I think it has resulted in an understanding and I am not
:32:03. > :32:08.sure if incarceration would add much to that but I am very much in favour
:32:09. > :32:12.of the criminal legal system and I very much want to make it clear that
:32:13. > :32:18.I am not preaching impunity in any way but I am one of millions whose
:32:19. > :32:21.case fell through the cracks because they did not react immediately and
:32:22. > :32:25.when I did understand what happened, it was not an option that was
:32:26. > :32:29.fruitful in anyway but I think that what we are doing right now is add
:32:30. > :32:32.value that could contribute to meaningful change and that is my
:32:33. > :32:36.wildest hope. Thank you very much. If you've been affected
:32:37. > :32:38.by any of the issues we've been talking about,
:32:39. > :32:40.details of organisations offering information
:32:41. > :32:41.and support with sexual abuse are available at
:32:42. > :32:42.bbc.co.uk/actionline. Or you can call for free at any
:32:43. > :32:45.time to hear recorded We'll put those numbers
:32:46. > :33:01.on our Newsnight Twitter feed That is all we have time for but I
:33:02. > :33:09.will be back on Monday. Have a good weekend. Good night.
:33:10. > :33:13.The weekend's weather looks a little bit mixed, but for most of us,
:33:14. > :33:17.Saturday is probably going to be the driest and the