:00:00. > :00:11.Could the next shock to the global liberal establishment be Le Pen?
:00:12. > :00:35.We speak to the great hope of populism in France.
:00:36. > :00:38.Also tonight, Theresa May will formally begins the Brexit
:00:39. > :00:52.And we send the High Priest of Remainism to understand why
:00:53. > :00:59.Ebbw Vale in South Wales voted so emphatically for Brexit.
:01:00. > :01:06.So much of the investment here has come from the European Union. The
:01:07. > :01:13.college, the station, all of these buildings were invested in from
:01:14. > :01:16.funds from the EU. Funds which won't necessarily be replaced by
:01:17. > :01:20.governments in London and Cardiff. My first question is why did people
:01:21. > :01:22.vote in large numbers against the European Union, the source of so
:01:23. > :01:29.much investment in this community? "One more sleep", as one Leave
:01:30. > :01:35.supporting blog tweeted today. By this time tomorrow,
:01:36. > :01:37.the Prime Minister will have triggered Article 50 and Britain's
:01:38. > :01:40.departure from the European Union As we will hear over the course
:01:41. > :01:47.of tonight's programme, In a moment, Emily gets
:01:48. > :01:52.Marine Le Pen's take on Brexit and, But first I'm joined
:01:53. > :01:55.by our political editor Nick Watt in the studio,
:01:56. > :02:10.and by our Diplomatic Editor Nick, what is exactly going to
:02:11. > :02:14.happen tomorrow? It will have the feel of a budget day. Theresa May
:02:15. > :02:17.will brief colleagues can only meeting of the Cabinet, then she
:02:18. > :02:21.will do her normal Prime Minister's Questions and that will be followed
:02:22. > :02:26.by her statement on the Article 50 letter. At around the time she
:02:27. > :02:30.stands up in the Commons, the UK ambassador to the EU Sir Tim Barrow
:02:31. > :02:34.will hand the real copy of the letter to the European Council
:02:35. > :02:39.president Donald Tusk in Brussels, and Donald Tusk is then expected to
:02:40. > :02:43.tweet he has received it. That will mark the formal triggering of
:02:44. > :02:47.Article 50. What we really want to know is what is in the letter? I'm
:02:48. > :02:51.told the tone will be friendly, it will essentially set out the
:02:52. > :02:55.framework of her Lancaster house speech in January. What that said is
:02:56. > :03:00.a close trading relationship but no membership of the European single
:03:01. > :03:10.market. What I'm told is going to be really interesting is what isn't in
:03:11. > :03:13.the letter. It will not get into generalities, you will not see a sum
:03:14. > :03:16.of money on what the UK is prepared or not prepared to pay for the exit
:03:17. > :03:19.bill and I'm told there will not be any date on a cut-off date for when
:03:20. > :03:23.the rights of EU citizens in the UK will stop. The guiding thought is do
:03:24. > :03:28.not repeat the mistake of David Cameron, who put too much detail in
:03:29. > :03:34.his letter for his EU negotiations, and gave the impression that he was
:03:35. > :03:40.scared of walking away. Keep your cards close. OK. Mark, what has been
:03:41. > :03:44.the reaction in Europe today? What we can expect tomorrow is, firstly,
:03:45. > :03:50.expressions of regret that Britain is going ahead with this. Then
:03:51. > :03:54.pretty swiftly after that, some fundamental declarations of
:03:55. > :03:59.principle. On the financial issue, I think you can expect a pretty hard
:04:00. > :04:04.line. The EU's legal advice is that Britain is liable for budget
:04:05. > :04:08.contributions, one person told me tonight at least 45 billion euros
:04:09. > :04:14.between now and 2020. And they simply will say they won't budge. By
:04:15. > :04:18.about one month's time, the formal negotiating guidelines will have
:04:19. > :04:25.been given to the negotiator and I think things will go quiet for a
:04:26. > :04:28.while. For a whole load of reasons, including in this country and
:04:29. > :04:32.others. Then I think we will see things playing into next year with
:04:33. > :04:36.particularly the German strategy and that of the president of the
:04:37. > :04:40.European Council Donald Tusk, I think will be to take a tough line
:04:41. > :04:44.and offer Britain as many opportunities to change its mind as
:04:45. > :04:51.possible, right up to that vote on the terms of the deal as it is being
:04:52. > :04:56.proposed that will happen in Parliament towards the end of the
:04:57. > :04:59.process. Nick, we can't forget today there has been another vote in
:05:00. > :05:04.Scotland to request another independence referendum. And they've
:05:05. > :05:08.predictable response from the UK Government saying now isn't the time
:05:09. > :05:13.to have that. On Thursday David Davis will say to the Scottish
:05:14. > :05:16.Government and the other devolved administrations, the UK Government
:05:17. > :05:22.doesn't want to hoard power. He will say he is prepared to hand back
:05:23. > :05:24.some, but not all powers on fisheries and agriculture, to those
:05:25. > :05:29.devolved administrations. David Davis will do that when he sets out
:05:30. > :05:32.the next stage after the triggering of Article 50, the Great Repeal
:05:33. > :05:37.Bill. It annuls the Act of Parliament that took us into the EEC
:05:38. > :05:43.and it secondly brings back into UK law all the EU law. Really
:05:44. > :05:47.interesting on the next stage after that, what of those EU laws that
:05:48. > :05:52.will be in UK law, what they should appeal. He will say that isn't this
:05:53. > :05:56.Parliament, that is that the next Parliament, put it in the Tory
:05:57. > :06:01.manifesto. Reaction will be very interesting. Thank you.
:06:02. > :06:09.Once the ceremonies of tomorrow's triggering are done with, there is
:06:10. > :06:15.the possibility of no deal at all. We are joined by Anna Seabury and
:06:16. > :06:24.Bernard Jenkin. Good evening. -- Anna Soubry. I'm an ex-Remainer. We
:06:25. > :06:31.are leaving the EU so I don't know what you would call me. Are you a
:06:32. > :06:34.happy lever? Of course I'm not. I think our country has lost the plot
:06:35. > :06:39.and an extremely worried about our future. But we've got this vote,
:06:40. > :06:43.we've got to deliver it, the Prime Minister has been remarkably
:06:44. > :06:46.courageous in stepping up accepting this button which she would clearly
:06:47. > :06:52.not have chosen, and she's now got to deliver four bespoke deals in
:06:53. > :06:57.under two years. Almost an impossible task. You don't think she
:06:58. > :07:01.can do it? I think she's got to be brave to say if we need more time,
:07:02. > :07:06.if we need a transition period she's got to do that. Most of all, she's
:07:07. > :07:10.got to resist the calls from dear Bernard who will urge her with his
:07:11. > :07:15.merry band who have been wreaking havoc in my party for decades, to
:07:16. > :07:19.avoid a hard Brexit which nobody in my constituency, nor I believe
:07:20. > :07:23.anywhere else in the country, voted for. Is it a problem if there is no
:07:24. > :07:29.deal? You said it's almost impossible for her... Let it just
:07:30. > :07:33.find out from Bernard, do you think it is a disaster if there isn't a
:07:34. > :07:37.deal? It depends what you mean by deal. I agree the idea we are going
:07:38. > :07:41.to finish up with a comprehensive trade agreement within two years is
:07:42. > :07:46.extremely unlikely, not least because the EU would find it very
:07:47. > :07:49.difficult to agree such a deal. It takes the EU a very long time to
:07:50. > :07:54.agree these things. So I think Anna is right that we finish up with some
:07:55. > :08:00.kind of transitional arrangement. What we should hope for is that we
:08:01. > :08:03.will sign sensible arrangements have customs facilitation and memoranda
:08:04. > :08:07.of understanding and that sort of thing. Which the EU has with every
:08:08. > :08:12.other country trades within the world, whether or not it's got a
:08:13. > :08:17.trade deal. Hopefully we'll get the EU to accept our offer of free
:08:18. > :08:21.trade, that is zero tariff on manufactures, so that we can carry
:08:22. > :08:26.on trading more or less as we do at the moment. If the EU contacts that
:08:27. > :08:30.but, all they want us to pay too much for that, that's the point at
:08:31. > :08:36.which we have to say, no, that's OK, we'll pay the tariffs. There will be
:08:37. > :08:39.a process of adjustment if we have to introduce tariffs but the
:08:40. > :08:42.adjustment will be more severe fur some of the industries on the
:08:43. > :08:47.European Union but exports so much more to our country than we do to
:08:48. > :08:50.them. And the British Exchequer will raise billions and billions of
:08:51. > :08:56.pounds from the import tariffs from the EU which we can spend on
:08:57. > :08:59.supporting the motor industry, inward investment and investment
:09:00. > :09:05.allowances, grants the science and technology and other things that
:09:06. > :09:09.make us competitive. Anna, if you go into negotiations saying we have to
:09:10. > :09:13.come to a deal at the end of two years, you've lost your hand,
:09:14. > :09:19.haven't you? I'm not saying that. I think the Prime Minister wants a
:09:20. > :09:23.deal. We all want a deal. I'm glad because I'm afraid there are lots of
:09:24. > :09:27.people on your side who don't want a deal. They want us to fall off the
:09:28. > :09:32.cliff edge and go hanging. For a start, there is no cliff edge.
:09:33. > :09:37.Unless the EU is completely insane and not going to sign anything with
:09:38. > :09:42.us, not even the most basic customs facilitation deals... Icon believe
:09:43. > :09:47.the EU is as insane as that or as incapable as that. It's the time it
:09:48. > :09:53.would take. This is really simple stuff. All our product standards...
:09:54. > :09:57.Are you saying this negotiation period is simple? A comprehensive
:09:58. > :10:02.free trade agreement is complicated. There was one huge advantage to the
:10:03. > :10:06.EU and the UK, all our regulation is currently aligned. We aren't like
:10:07. > :10:10.the EU and Canada, or the EU and China, where they've got to think
:10:11. > :10:14.about how they deal with the misalignment. We start from the same
:10:15. > :10:18.business. A car in the UK is the same as a car in the EU. It's
:10:19. > :10:25.exactly the same. We don't need to stop at the borders to prove they
:10:26. > :10:31.are cars. The problem is this idea, that it's a simple process on trade,
:10:32. > :10:40.it's not about trade... Don't misrepresent what I said. Even if we
:10:41. > :10:44.come out of the EU without any trade deal, we will still have customs
:10:45. > :10:48.facilitation arrangement, product recognition, all of these things...
:10:49. > :10:53.Do you want there to be a formal deal, or do you want the UK to walk
:10:54. > :11:01.away having another chip to bargain with? When you say another chip to
:11:02. > :11:06.bargain with, the EU is asking us to give money, they are asking us to
:11:07. > :11:10.give concessions. We are offering a blanket offer. We are saying you can
:11:11. > :11:14.have access to your biggest export market, exactly as you do now,
:11:15. > :11:19.without any costs or tariffs, if that is what you want. The choices
:11:20. > :11:24.for the EU, they've got to decide... This is madness. We don't hold the
:11:25. > :11:32.cards. Yes we do. There are 27 members left in the EU. We need them
:11:33. > :11:35.much more than they need us. I'm sorry, you've got to be honest about
:11:36. > :11:39.it. It is to everybody's mutual advantage that we have a free trade
:11:40. > :11:44.agreement and recognition of financial services, and all those
:11:45. > :11:50.things. We are in a much stronger position than them. We've got to get
:11:51. > :11:54.four deals... You haven't let me explain this thing about the four
:11:55. > :12:00.hugely complicated deals we have to do. We have to sort out European
:12:01. > :12:04.citizens, EU citizenship. That in itself is difficult. Secondly we
:12:05. > :12:10.have customs to sort out. Thirdly we have trade to sort out. Fourthly we
:12:11. > :12:15.have to do a bespoke deal on security. And we are going to do all
:12:16. > :12:20.of that in about 18 months, and some of it is simple? It's just, you're
:12:21. > :12:26.not being honest with people about what's happening. And actually, what
:12:27. > :12:31.we are really doing... I just need to say this. All of this madness,
:12:32. > :12:35.this complexity, this nightmare of detail, when actually what we are
:12:36. > :12:42.doing is we are walking away from 500 million customers. What we have
:12:43. > :12:48.at the moment, a single market which has provided decades of prosperity
:12:49. > :12:51.for our country. Which needs to be negotiated. Bernard you are saying
:12:52. > :12:55.these negotiations can carry on but would you be prepared to walk away,
:12:56. > :13:00.do you think we can walk away and not pay any money? If they ask us...
:13:01. > :13:04.Festival, Article 50 is very clear. All our obligations fall away when
:13:05. > :13:09.Article 50 reaches the end of the process. We won't have to pay a
:13:10. > :13:14.penny. If no deal is struck. And then the EU has the choice to take
:13:15. > :13:20.the UK to court. They wouldn't, because Article 50 is in the
:13:21. > :13:22.treaties of the European Union and that trumps any of the other
:13:23. > :13:25.convention or treaty rules. They replace the rules were leaving the
:13:26. > :13:29.EU with Article 50 is about is the law that would apply. The idea of
:13:30. > :13:32.the European Court of Justice would apply international law and not
:13:33. > :13:37.their own treaties, it just wouldn't happen. So you are telling people we
:13:38. > :13:43.can just walk away, we'll have no bills at all, and we walk away onto
:13:44. > :13:47.WTO rules and regulations and tariffs, and no customs deal? There
:13:48. > :13:51.would have to be a customs deal. Do you really believe the EU would be
:13:52. > :13:56.insane enough not to do a customs facilitation deal with the UK? When
:13:57. > :13:59.they do it with America, whom they don't have a trade deal with, they
:14:00. > :14:05.do it with a knob of countries they don't have a trade deal with... --
:14:06. > :14:08.with a number of countries. BMW would be happy with that
:14:09. > :14:14.arrangement. This idea that we hold all the cards... So you think they
:14:15. > :14:17.are insane? I think we are insane for not being honest with people
:14:18. > :14:23.about the complexities and the dangers to our economy. We are
:14:24. > :14:24.jumping off the cliff. Thank you for a very energetic conversation and
:14:25. > :14:30.debate. Now, if the triggering of Article 50
:14:31. > :14:33.feels like the end of the beginning, what is there to say
:14:34. > :14:35.about that beginning? It's been nine months since we voted
:14:36. > :14:38.to leave and in that time we've heard an awful lot about the UK's
:14:39. > :14:41.divorce terms - but have politicians made enough effort to set up
:14:42. > :14:44.the negotiations to embrace the opportunities
:14:45. > :14:46.that Brexit offers? Not according to leading
:14:47. > :17:16.Brexiteer Tim Montgomerie. Nine months after the historic
:17:17. > :17:19.Brexit vote some remain supporters are trying to discover why so many
:17:20. > :17:21.of their countrymen voted to leave. One of the most prominent Remain
:17:22. > :17:23.campaigners is former He's been to Ebbw Vale -
:17:24. > :17:28.a town which saw the highest proportion of voters in Wales that
:17:29. > :17:31.voted to leave the EU. It's also a town that received funds
:17:32. > :17:34.from the EU totalling ?1.8 Here's the former Deputy Prime
:17:35. > :17:38.Minister finding out why, for Ebbw Vale's citizens,
:17:39. > :17:41.divorce from the EU was so much more A town of around 30,000
:17:42. > :17:50.people in the heart Once home to the largest
:17:51. > :17:56.steelworks in Europe, Ebbw Vale today is in one
:17:57. > :17:59.of the most socially and economically deprived regions
:18:00. > :18:02.in the United Kingdom. A quarter of working age
:18:03. > :18:17.adults are on benefits. Male unemployment is more
:18:18. > :18:20.than double the national average. And more than a third
:18:21. > :18:23.of the population have no To any casual visitor,
:18:24. > :18:38.Ebbw Vale doesn't superficially look or feel like one of the most
:18:39. > :18:44.hard-hit areas of Britain. The old steelworks has
:18:45. > :18:47.recently been redeveloped at a cost of ?350 million,
:18:48. > :18:50.creating new schools and colleges, a new hospital,
:18:51. > :18:53.and state-of-the-art sports facilities, not to mention
:18:54. > :18:57.all the construction work involved in building new road and rail
:18:58. > :19:05.links into town. I've also never been to a place
:19:06. > :19:08.with so many blue EU flags, That's because the EU has
:19:09. > :19:16.funded a sizeable part A whopping ?1.8 billion has
:19:17. > :19:22.been invested by the EU Yet in the Brexit referendum,
:19:23. > :19:31.62% of people here voted to leave, So much of the investment here has
:19:32. > :19:40.come from the European Union. The college over there,
:19:41. > :19:43.the station over there, all of these buildings were invested
:19:44. > :19:45.in from funds from Funds which won't necessarily be
:19:46. > :19:50.replaced by governments So my first question is,
:19:51. > :19:55.why did people vote in large numbers against the European Union,
:19:56. > :19:57.the source of so much Monday night is bingo night
:19:58. > :20:10.at the ex-servicemen's club. That is the percentage that
:20:11. > :20:21.voted out with Brexit. My name is George Mont,
:20:22. > :20:30.and from Ebbw Vale, born and bred. I would like to put the great
:20:31. > :20:34.back in Great Britain. Because we are not governing
:20:35. > :20:37.ourselves, we are governed I voted out of Brexit
:20:38. > :20:47.for two main reasons. To stop the illegal immigrants
:20:48. > :20:49.coming in and to get our My name is Maureen Windmill
:20:50. > :20:58.from Ebbw Vale, South Wales. One of the main reasons being any
:20:59. > :21:05.monies that we've received from Europe to be spent on our town
:21:06. > :21:13.was spent on the wrong things. Fairly unanimous views
:21:14. > :21:20.from the bingo crowd, then. The next morning I met up
:21:21. > :21:24.with the leader of the Ebbw Vale He agreed to show me some examples
:21:25. > :21:29.of what people here feel has We started on the new ?2.5 million
:21:30. > :21:38.lift that takes you up the side Fantastic amount of money,
:21:39. > :21:42.over half a billion. The dragon is European
:21:43. > :21:46.funded, is it? What do you think of all the money
:21:47. > :21:52.being spent on the town centre here, the high streets, this dragon,
:21:53. > :21:54.and so on? You cannot complain about it in one
:21:55. > :21:58.sense, it is pretty. If you have someone dying,
:21:59. > :22:04.you do not give them cosmetic surgery to keep them alive,
:22:05. > :22:07.that is not enough. It does not need pretty bollards
:22:08. > :22:15.and wonderful dragons and a clock This specific criticism about how EU
:22:16. > :22:27.money is being spent is accompanied by a wider yearning for a return
:22:28. > :22:30.to the certainties of the town's industrial past when the steelworks
:22:31. > :22:32.provided full employment 600,000 tonnes of rolled steel used
:22:33. > :22:42.to be produced here annually. The giant furnaces used
:22:43. > :22:45.to light up the night sky. Bringing prosperity
:22:46. > :22:51.and pride to the town. But 15 years ago the steelworks
:22:52. > :22:54.closed down and the site was demolished, ending over 200
:22:55. > :23:01.years of iron and steel production. Nothing big enough has been able
:23:02. > :23:04.to replace all the lost jobs and the industrial skills
:23:05. > :23:09.of the past. I was the last training master
:23:10. > :23:12.in Ebbw Vale before it closed. And so when we talk apprenticeships,
:23:13. > :23:19.when we had a steelworks with City and Guilds London registered
:23:20. > :23:21.apprenticeships, four-year, five-year apprenticeships,
:23:22. > :23:25.we had proper training. This place we are sat in today,
:23:26. > :23:29.the Scientific Institution, taught physics, chemistry,
:23:30. > :23:33.woodwork, metalwork, electrical, If we could have European
:23:34. > :23:45.money to reinvent that... because we are told
:23:46. > :23:47.we haven't got the skills, we need people to come
:23:48. > :23:50.in from Eastern Europe, or wherever, then I think people
:23:51. > :23:52.would have said, hang on. So the money was used to provide,
:23:53. > :23:55.we didn't see that, Those same people, those who have
:23:56. > :23:59.lived here all their lives, maybe worked in the steelworks
:24:00. > :24:01.when it was still open here, they feel the EU funding that's been
:24:02. > :24:04.invested into the local community to help, hasn't really made
:24:05. > :24:06.the difference that they want. It has created shiny
:24:07. > :24:09.buildings like this, it's been used to fund street art,
:24:10. > :24:12.it's used to make cosmetic changes, but not to really
:24:13. > :24:18.help people find work. However, when you get chatting
:24:19. > :24:21.to people, many say their number one reason for voting to leave the EU
:24:22. > :24:25.wasn't jobs or a lack of heavy It's lunchtime in Morgan's Pub
:24:26. > :24:34.in the town centre. It's part of an arcade refurbished
:24:35. > :24:40.with, you guessed it, EU money. Only around 2% of the population in
:24:41. > :24:44.Ebbw Vale are actually foreign-born. Even so, views on
:24:45. > :24:49.immigration run strong. That was the biggest
:24:50. > :24:56.worry, why I voted out. I know you can't stop immigration,
:24:57. > :25:00.hospitals need the nurses But then, all the others
:25:01. > :25:07.that have come here, I know I shouldn't be prejudiced,
:25:08. > :25:13.but I just want our country, I'd like it to be back,
:25:14. > :25:16.I know it never will be, Personally, for me,
:25:17. > :25:20.it's not a big deal. But I can understand
:25:21. > :25:25.where they're coming from, They are being taken,
:25:26. > :25:31.wages are being undermined. I understand that,
:25:32. > :25:34.I totally understand that. I think they've got
:25:35. > :25:37.to vet people coming in, If you went to America,
:25:38. > :25:41.if you went to Canada, if you went to Australia,
:25:42. > :25:44.you'd have to have the And I think that's
:25:45. > :25:49.what they need here. Immigration was obviously
:25:50. > :25:56.a hugely important factor for so many of those
:25:57. > :25:59.who voted for Brexit. But, given how low immigration
:26:00. > :26:02.is locally, it isn't clear what will need to change
:26:03. > :26:05.in Ebbw Vale itself And is immigration such a big
:26:06. > :26:14.concern for younger generations? A group of students
:26:15. > :26:16.at the new part-EU-funded sixth form college allowed me
:26:17. > :26:17.to interrupt their If you had voted, would immigration
:26:18. > :26:24.have been a really big deal for you? It's not that immigration
:26:25. > :26:29.affects our area, it's It's a feeling, it's an emotion,
:26:30. > :26:37.it's a thing that many people, There's no immigration here,
:26:38. > :26:46.it's the fear of it. You've got, like, a few people
:26:47. > :26:51.from Poland, Turkey, Romania. But I feel like if they've got
:26:52. > :26:54.better qualifications than some of the people who live here,
:26:55. > :26:57.they should have the jobs, because it's all about
:26:58. > :27:00.the best qualified. I feel like we should
:27:01. > :27:03.all be treated equally. A lot of this immigration
:27:04. > :27:06.that is coming in now has been witnessed by an older generation,
:27:07. > :27:09.whereas my generation, I have gone through school with people
:27:10. > :27:12.from different backgrounds. Because I've grown up with them,
:27:13. > :27:15.I don't have that same fear of immigration,
:27:16. > :27:16.because I know they Because other people, like,
:27:17. > :27:20.the older generation didn't experience that as much,
:27:21. > :27:24.they have that bigger fear of it, Walking around this splendid ?35
:27:25. > :27:36.million building, it's clear that, despite the negative perceptions
:27:37. > :27:40.amongst some older voters about how EU money is spent,
:27:41. > :27:43.it has helped younger students to gain both academic
:27:44. > :27:47.and vocational skills. The young and the old,
:27:48. > :27:50.here in Ebbw Vale, appear to perceive the same
:27:51. > :27:55.reality very differently. And this generational difference
:27:56. > :27:57.could increase further if Brexit doesn't bring the benefits people
:27:58. > :28:00.were told to expect New jobs, new industry, more money
:28:01. > :28:07.for the NHS, less immigration. If people feel let down,
:28:08. > :28:09.the political consequences They will go to the extremes,
:28:10. > :28:18.most definitely. Especially the Brexiteers,
:28:19. > :28:21.because they are most likely the poorer and least well off and,
:28:22. > :28:24.I'd say, in some cases abandoned I think centre ground
:28:25. > :28:36.politics is not as engaging. If you're in a well-off area,
:28:37. > :28:39.you're going to feel frustrated, and I think it's easier to relate
:28:40. > :28:42.to people who are on the far You can see it in the Netherlands,
:28:43. > :28:49.France and Greece right now, all the extreme parties
:28:50. > :28:52.are incredibly popular over there. And it's worrying,
:28:53. > :28:56.because the normal parties like the Conservatives,
:28:57. > :29:00.Lib Dems and Labour need to catch onto this and capitalise, and say,
:29:01. > :29:04.well, we support but let's not go So, having spent some
:29:05. > :29:19.time here in Ebbw Vale, I'm much clearer in my own mind
:29:20. > :29:22.about why people voted for Brexit in large numbers,
:29:23. > :29:23.particularly older voters. Because, how much money was spent
:29:24. > :29:27.by the European Union on this shiny building or that project,
:29:28. > :29:30.all of that paled into significance to the feeling, the
:29:31. > :29:32.longing for a return When the steelworks were open,
:29:33. > :29:36.when everyone had jobs, when people had money
:29:37. > :29:37.in their pockets. And when people had an opportunity
:29:38. > :29:40.to rattle the cage and say, we want that back, it wasn't so much
:29:41. > :29:43.that they were left behind, it was their feeling
:29:44. > :29:49.about what they had left behind. But the past is not going to return,
:29:50. > :29:52.and it's difficult not to feel a sense of foreboding that,
:29:53. > :29:55.should Brexit fail to meet people's hopes, dissatisfaction
:29:56. > :30:02.could turn into real rage. And, as we're seeing
:30:03. > :30:04.elsewhere in the world, that can quickly be seized
:30:05. > :30:06.upon by political movements offering ever more divisive and angry
:30:07. > :30:23.visions of the future. Of the many uncertainties
:30:24. > :30:28.surrounding Brexit, there is of course the issue
:30:29. > :30:30.of what the EU will look In under four weeks,
:30:31. > :30:34.France goes to the polls. Were Marine Le Pen's Front National
:30:35. > :30:37.to win, well, its future in the bloc would be under scrutiny,
:30:38. > :30:56.as Le Pen has promised a referendum That's undeniably the intention of
:30:57. > :31:00.the EU. The EU wants the divorce to be as painful as possible so they
:31:01. > :31:07.can feel other nations of Europe want to leave this political
:31:08. > :31:12.structure. They don't want a domino effect. But Mel didn't work, Project
:31:13. > :31:17.fear didn't work either. So they have to try and make the separation
:31:18. > :31:22.as painful as possible -- blackmail didn't work. Will they succeed? I
:31:23. > :31:28.so. Is it possible for Britain to get a good deal after Brexit from
:31:29. > :31:33.the EU as it stands? Yes, I think so. It will be led by the defence of
:31:34. > :31:40.its own best interests and when to be constrained by the ideology of
:31:41. > :31:42.the EU, which today prevents from protecting themselves from
:31:43. > :31:49.uncontrolled globalisation. You borrowed money from a Russian bank.
:31:50. > :31:51.Several years ago with borrowed money from a Czech Russian bank but
:31:52. > :31:56.that's because they agreed to lend us money. If it had been a British
:31:57. > :32:02.bank, we would have borrowed from a British bank. But it was a Russian
:32:03. > :32:08.bank? Yes, I don't owe the bank anything other than to pay it back.
:32:09. > :32:14.I'd have no obligations towards it, I'm not reliant on anyone. You don't
:32:15. > :32:17.regret it? So I'm prevented from borrowing from a French bank and
:32:18. > :32:22.then approached for borrowing from a foreign bank. What would people have
:32:23. > :32:26.said it it had been an American bank, or an African bank? I think
:32:27. > :32:29.it's more problematic when candidates seek donations in foreign
:32:30. > :32:33.countries. You know what Napoleon used to say, the hand that gives is
:32:34. > :32:39.always above the hand that receives. You know President Putin quite well,
:32:40. > :32:50.what do you think of him? I've met him once. That was last week. Yes, I
:32:51. > :32:52.had an opportunity to have a long conversation with him on the
:32:53. > :32:55.situation in the world. Particularly on a key topic which is the fight
:32:56. > :33:03.against Islamist terrorism. Do you think the West has misunderstood
:33:04. > :33:06.Putin? I think the previous American administration in effect put the
:33:07. > :33:18.Berlin Wall on wheels and pushed it back to Russia's borders. That was
:33:19. > :33:22.in the interest of the US. Was it in the interest of the EU? The answer
:33:23. > :33:31.is no. We have no reason to enter a new Cold War with Russia, absolutely
:33:32. > :33:40.none. But Russia's sphere of influence is increasing, including
:33:41. > :33:44.the Baltic states. We struck deals with Russia after World War II, and
:33:45. > :33:48.those deals were reneges on. In recent years the US wouldn't stop
:33:49. > :34:00.militarising countries on Russia's border with Nato. So it was felt by
:34:01. > :34:04.Russia as a form of hostility. I'm not a supporter of mounting
:34:05. > :34:14.conflict, hostility, of warmongering. These provocations
:34:15. > :34:19.that naturally cause a reaction. Ukraine is part of Russia's sphere
:34:20. > :34:24.of influence, it's a fact. Just like Canada is part of America's sphere
:34:25. > :34:29.of influence. But it is simpler than that. If the Russian military were
:34:30. > :34:32.to make an incursion into the Baltic states or into Ukraine, would France
:34:33. > :34:40.come to the protection of the Baltic states? You want war at all costs?
:34:41. > :34:47.What is your problem? You want to go to war, you like war? You like war?
:34:48. > :34:50.You want conflict? You want us to start world War three? At the moment
:34:51. > :34:54.no one wants to go to war with anyone. I'm happy to go into the
:34:55. > :35:00.hypotheses but no one is going to war with anyone. No one wants to go
:35:01. > :35:03.to war with anyone else. There was a territorial conflict with Ukraine,
:35:04. > :35:10.these things happen. Now it has to be resolved diplomatically and I
:35:11. > :35:13.think France's voice has wait, as long as France is France. Not a
:35:14. > :35:16.region of the EU. If you are trying to say Russia is a military danger
:35:17. > :35:23.to European countries I think you are mistaken in your analysis. What
:35:24. > :35:31.should be France's commitment towards Nato? I think France should
:35:32. > :35:36.leave Nato Allied command. I agree with Donald Trump when he says Nato
:35:37. > :35:41.is obsolete. Because Nato was created to fight the USSR. Today
:35:42. > :35:51.there is no USSR. I know it's uncomfortable for some but there is
:35:52. > :36:04.no more USSR. There is a country that's Russia, which doesn't deserve
:36:05. > :36:07.to be treated with prejudice. It hasn't led any campaigns against
:36:08. > :36:15.European countries, or against the US. Has Putin done more good or more
:36:16. > :36:21.harm to the world? First we need to ask whether he did more harm than
:36:22. > :36:25.good to Russia. Russia is going broadly in the right direction, it
:36:26. > :36:34.has improved its economy, although it is still fragile. What I noticed
:36:35. > :36:37.is that Putin's government must be pretty popular with Russians, given
:36:38. > :36:48.that it is constantly being re-elected. What more can I say? Has
:36:49. > :36:57.he done more good? When he intervened in Syria against IS, yes.
:36:58. > :37:01.Because if Syria had fallen into the hands of IS, like Libya has fallen
:37:02. > :37:08.into the hands of Islamic fundamentalists, nothing could
:37:09. > :37:18.prevent the growth of IS. The explosion of fundamentalist Islam,
:37:19. > :37:24.and we are just next door, Europe. So yes, I think his intervention in
:37:25. > :37:38.Syria is a positive to the world. You haven't met with Mr Trump? No.
:37:39. > :37:42.Nor with Theresa May? With Angela Merkel? Know but why should I go and
:37:43. > :37:47.see Mrs Merkel or Theresa May? We may have some things to talk about
:37:48. > :37:51.with Theresa May but with Mrs Merkel things are very clear. We are in
:37:52. > :37:55.total opposition, I and the anti-Merkel. I am opposed to her
:37:56. > :38:01.economic policy, monetary policy. I'm opposed to migrant policy. Very
:38:02. > :38:05.clearly we are in total opposition. Either way, that doesn't mean that
:38:06. > :38:11.if I'm elected president I won't talk to Mrs Merkel and defend France
:38:12. > :38:15.'s interests. But all these heads of state, you haven't met with them.
:38:16. > :38:22.Despite everything you have tried to do to change the image of your
:38:23. > :38:32.party, the truth is there is still a toxicity that surrounds it. Don't
:38:33. > :38:37.you think that Mrs Merkel is toxic for Europe? She let 1.5 million
:38:38. > :38:41.migrants in, isn't that toxic? She imposes austerity to all the nations
:38:42. > :38:46.of Europe, isn't that toxic? She's the one who is toxic. Either way,
:38:47. > :38:51.she's in creasing the isolated because the policies I represent the
:38:52. > :38:54.policies represented by Mr Trump. It's represented by Mr Putin. The
:38:55. > :39:00.British people have just made it clear they want to go in that
:39:01. > :39:03.direction. In the Netherlands, Geert Wilders is one of the new parties
:39:04. > :39:07.but greatly increased his numbers of seats. Things are moving in Europe
:39:08. > :39:15.in the direction of the ideas and policies I represent. And if you win
:39:16. > :39:21.in May, does that spelt the beginning of the end of the EU? But
:39:22. > :39:26.the EU is almost already over. Rather than waiting for its chaotic
:39:27. > :39:29.collapse, I suggest we organise its transformation into a Europe of
:39:30. > :39:37.Nations, while respecting the wishes of the European peoples. Have you
:39:38. > :39:40.noticed that all the referendums on the subject of the EU that have been
:39:41. > :39:46.organised in the past 15 years have been lost by the EU? All of them,
:39:47. > :39:50.without exception. Have you seen that Poland is saying no, I then
:39:51. > :39:54.want to join the euro. When a few years ago they were begging to join.
:39:55. > :40:02.It's over, the EU is shining the light of a dead star. Thank you.
:40:03. > :40:05.Emily speaking to the French presidential candidate Marine Le
:40:06. > :40:10.Pen. We've got some French election news, the wife of the presidential
:40:11. > :40:14.candidate Francois Fillon has been placed under formal investigation.
:40:15. > :40:19.This is part of the continuing fake jobs in quarry. She spent the day
:40:20. > :40:22.being questioned by magistrates. Her husband was placed under formal
:40:23. > :40:25.investigation earlier this month, he is accused of paying hundreds of
:40:26. > :40:30.thousands of euros to members of his family for work they didn't do.
:40:31. > :40:36.Now the papers and let's start with the Daily Telegraph. There is a
:40:37. > :40:39.unifying theme across the front pages you won't be surprised to know
:40:40. > :40:49.on the day that Article 50 is being triggered. Mrs May tells Britons to
:40:50. > :40:54.put behind differences as she dispatches the Article 50 letter.
:40:55. > :40:57.The Times has a picture of her signing the Article 50 letter in the
:40:58. > :41:03.Cabinet room yesterday under the gaze of Robert Walpole. Theresa May
:41:04. > :41:10.has insisted the country will remain an ally of the EU. The Guardian, a
:41:11. > :41:15.jigsaw puzzle over a map of Europe. Today Britain steps into the
:41:16. > :41:19.unknown, those words where the UK would have been. Saying Theresa May
:41:20. > :41:24.is beginning a two-year process that will see the UK leave the EU sever a
:41:25. > :41:32.political relationship that has lasted 44 years. The Sun is beaming
:41:33. > :41:35.a message to our neighbours. The daily Mirror says we are one great
:41:36. > :41:37.union of people and nations with a proud history and a bright future.
:41:38. > :41:41.Quoting Theresa May. That's all we've got
:41:42. > :41:42.time for this evening. But we couldn't let you go
:41:43. > :41:45.without showing you this stunning, van Gogh-esque image of Jupiter's
:41:46. > :41:48.surface, sent 588 million kilometres