:00:12. > :00:18.We will half the deficit. As we reduce the deficit, our country is
:00:19. > :00:23.facing the largest budget deficit in modern history.
:00:24. > :00:26.No one seems to be talking about it - does that mean we can stop
:00:27. > :00:31.The parties are not saying much about money at the moment.
:00:32. > :00:37.But taxes, spending and borrowing are what governments do.
:00:38. > :00:39.Tonight, we'll ask if election promises on tax and spending can
:00:40. > :00:46.Also tonight, the 15-year-old anorexia sufferer who took her own
:00:47. > :00:47.life after being discharged from mental health care
:00:48. > :00:52.We'll hear from the writer Emma Woolf, who suffered
:00:53. > :00:59.And Cornelia Parker has been appointed
:01:00. > :01:09.What's caught her cultured eye so far?
:01:10. > :01:18.You do like a dimpled seat. I hope I am not fixated on bottoms.
:01:19. > :01:23.However hard the parties may try to control election campaigns,
:01:24. > :01:25.they are inevitably punctuated by unpredictable events.
:01:26. > :01:32.We've not had anything quite like that yet,
:01:33. > :01:34.but Labour today had it's most awkward moment of
:01:35. > :01:40.A big announcement on police numbers, and then, on LBC,
:01:41. > :01:44.the Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott faced presenter
:01:45. > :01:47.Nick Ferrari - this is Ms Abbott on The Daily Politics listening back
:01:48. > :01:54.How much would 10,000 police officers cost?
:01:55. > :02:00.Well, if we recruit the 10,000 policemen and women over a four-year
:02:01. > :02:04.period, we believe it will be about ?300,000.
:02:05. > :02:41.Our political editor Nick Watt is here.
:02:42. > :02:49.It was excruciating. Excruciating, embarrassing worthy adjectives
:02:50. > :02:54.thrown around today and that was the Labour side. You know things are
:02:55. > :02:58.going badly when your fellow frontbenchers, in this case on the
:02:59. > :03:03.Labour side, are joking with Conservative ministers on the other
:03:04. > :03:06.side about how badly you have done. Privately, Diane Abbott is telling
:03:07. > :03:11.friends it was a car crash into view. One friend said, it is a bit
:03:12. > :03:17.like a moment when you wake up and you think, was it really that bad?
:03:18. > :03:22.And the answer is yes, it was. These accidents happen and it is not the
:03:23. > :03:30.first time Nick Ferrari has put someone in that situation,, Natalie
:03:31. > :03:37.Bennett in the last election of the Green Party. The danger is this. It
:03:38. > :03:41.makes Labour looked dysfunctional and it plays into the conservative
:03:42. > :03:47.narrative that you have certainty with them and chaos under a future
:03:48. > :03:50.Labour government. Interestingly it shows there are poor relations
:03:51. > :03:55.between two of the leading members of the Shadow Cabinet who are old
:03:56. > :04:00.comrades on the left, which is Diane Abbott who was supposed to introduce
:04:01. > :04:04.the 10,000 officers, and John MacDonald the Shadow Chancellor who
:04:05. > :04:07.is meant to pay for them. I understand Diane Abbott until 2am
:04:08. > :04:12.this morning was poring over a laboured oximeter because she feared
:04:13. > :04:16.the weak spot for her in the interview is Labour had indicated
:04:17. > :04:21.the policy areas that would be paid for from the pot she was using, the
:04:22. > :04:27.2.7 billion from reversing a cut in capital gains tax. She had an answer
:04:28. > :04:32.to that when she was asked on the Today programme. She said this was
:04:33. > :04:37.before the manifesto and this is the manifesto but when she was asked the
:04:38. > :04:38.simple question, how much would it cost, her friend said she was thrown
:04:39. > :04:40.off her stride. Well, in most elections,
:04:41. > :04:43.everything comes back to money, which is why questions are always
:04:44. > :04:45.asked about costings. If anything, this one so far
:04:46. > :04:48.has been about Brexit, and it's as though the deficit,
:04:49. > :04:50.which dominated for years, So the well-regarded and independent
:04:51. > :04:56.Institute for Fiscal Studies has published a realty check today,
:04:57. > :04:59.helpfully telling us everything about it,
:05:00. > :05:01.and what it is that the last two Parliaments have done,
:05:02. > :05:07.or not done to it. It covers the deficit,
:05:08. > :05:09.on taxes and spending. Chris Cook has been delving
:05:10. > :05:23.inside the IFS report. One topic was central to the last
:05:24. > :05:29.two general elections. We will half the deficit over the next four
:05:30. > :05:34.years. As we reduce the deficit. Our country is facing the largest budget
:05:35. > :05:39.deficit in modern history. And you can expect it to recur in this one.
:05:40. > :05:45.We need a credible plan for dealing with the deficit. Despite a rather
:05:46. > :05:48.different contexts. We will clear the deficit as soon as possible. The
:05:49. > :05:53.financial crisis and recession increase the deficit to the highest
:05:54. > :05:57.level since the Second World War back in 2009-10. It has generally
:05:58. > :06:03.fallen since and is back to level before the crisis, a bit above the
:06:04. > :06:08.average but not high by historical standards, so there is a case for
:06:09. > :06:11.more deficit reduction, not least because we have racked up debt over
:06:12. > :06:18.the years but not a deficit so large it is extraordinary or out of normal
:06:19. > :06:22.bounds. It stands at about 3% of national output, which is a bit high
:06:23. > :06:28.but less than the deficits of France, the US and Japan. More than
:06:29. > :06:35.the deficits in Germany or Ireland and the permanent memento of the
:06:36. > :06:40.crisis, the debt burden is 80%, still smaller than the US, France
:06:41. > :06:45.and Japan, but again ahead of Germany or Ireland. Since 2010 there
:06:46. > :06:49.have been some things that have not been restrained from growing, like
:06:50. > :06:54.pensions. There are things that have been relatively shielded, like the
:06:55. > :07:00.NHS. There are some things that have been boosted, like international
:07:01. > :07:05.development. Overall, there has been a major spending squeeze. After the
:07:06. > :07:10.financial crisis spending rose to a peak of around 45% of output and
:07:11. > :07:17.since then, it has been squeezed to the precrisis level of just under
:07:18. > :07:21.40%. Now tax receipts have in recent years just started to creep up. But
:07:22. > :07:26.it is spending cuts that have done most of the working closing the
:07:27. > :07:30.deficit. The fiscal problem for the government is we are seven years
:07:31. > :07:39.into the austerity drive and the low hanging fruit has been plucked. It
:07:40. > :07:41.is hard to see how the NHS will stay within its budget for the next few
:07:42. > :07:44.years. It is already miles of targets and schools are planning to
:07:45. > :07:49.lay off teachers to get through the next budget round. And the prison
:07:50. > :07:54.system is creaking. Austerity is a lot harder than it used to be. Doing
:07:55. > :08:00.spending cuts painlessly will become more difficult over time. The waste
:08:01. > :08:04.and low value programmes are likely to have been eliminated already and
:08:05. > :08:09.if we look at the last election, David Cameron was adamant the
:08:10. > :08:13.government could take 1% a year out of public spending the first two
:08:14. > :08:19.years but the data shows spending rose in those years. Instead of
:08:20. > :08:24.taking 15 billion out they have added 23 billion. That is why the
:08:25. > :08:29.Tories have drifted into line with what were Ed Miliband's spending
:08:30. > :08:35.plans. The Tories attacked Labour in 2015 for planning to spend more and
:08:36. > :08:38.we can expect that argument this time around but if the Conservatives
:08:39. > :08:43.want to close the deficit by the next Parliament, they need another
:08:44. > :08:48.?15 billion in tax hikes or spending cuts. And all the easy spending cuts
:08:49. > :08:49.have gone. Chris Philp is a Conservative MP
:08:50. > :08:52.on the Treasury Select Committee. Mariana Mazzucato is Professor
:08:53. > :08:54.in the Economics of Innovation and Public Value at UCL,
:08:55. > :09:11.and sat on the Labour Party's Chris, why did the Tories implement
:09:12. > :09:16.Ed Miliband's manifesto during the parliament that is just finishing?
:09:17. > :09:21.The Conservatives did what was fiscally responsible, taking down
:09:22. > :09:26.Labour's deficit down to 3%. That is not the question, it was why have
:09:27. > :09:31.you implemented Ed Miliband's rather than your own goals? It is only two
:09:32. > :09:37.years. He went into the campaign with a lot of promises. You will
:09:38. > :09:43.attack the Labour Party in this one on the same grounds. I ask why you
:09:44. > :09:47.implemented their policy? I do not think Labour had the first intention
:09:48. > :09:52.of implementing that policy. It does not matter. Every measure we have
:09:53. > :09:56.taken to get the deficit under control was opposed by the Labour
:09:57. > :10:04.Party, every measure. The fact we have got it down from a peak of 10%
:10:05. > :10:09.to 3% is an incredible achievement. I mean by difficult circumstances
:10:10. > :10:12.the turbulence in the eurozone. We have had an election since the
:10:13. > :10:17.turbulence in the eurozone and elected you on the basis of a
:10:18. > :10:22.manifesto and criticisms you made of Ed Miliband and you have implemented
:10:23. > :10:26.the Ed Miliband fiscal strategy. At the time many said your fiscal plans
:10:27. > :10:31.lacked credibility and you said trust us, we can do it. We have it
:10:32. > :10:35.from the IFS that you couldn't and you delivered the Ed Miliband plan.
:10:36. > :10:41.Public spending in real terms has been constant at... It has increased
:10:42. > :10:50.and you said you would reduce it. Your chart showed it down to 38% of
:10:51. > :10:56.GDP and it has been constant around 760 billion a year. You are quoting
:10:57. > :11:00.departmental expenditure limits. It would be ridiculous for voters to
:11:01. > :11:07.listen to what you have to say about Labour spending and tax plans, given
:11:08. > :11:12.what you said last time will stop we have reduced Labour's deficit. You
:11:13. > :11:18.keep repeating. I am saying what happened at the last election is you
:11:19. > :11:23.criticised Ed Miliband's plans and then deliver them. Why would we
:11:24. > :11:27.believe you if you make new criticisms because you might
:11:28. > :11:33.implement those. Going back to 2010 we hope to eliminate the deficit by
:11:34. > :11:37.2015. You are right, it has taken longer will stop it is heading in
:11:38. > :11:42.the right direction. Every measure we have taken the Labour Party have
:11:43. > :11:47.a pose. Only one party is fighting this with credibility and it is the
:11:48. > :11:50.Conservative Party. I spent time with Chris Philp because those
:11:51. > :11:56.issues come out of what the IFS said today. Does the deficit need
:11:57. > :12:03.attention? It is higher than the historical average. Should getting
:12:04. > :12:07.the deficit down PA goal of the next government? First-day correction,
:12:08. > :12:13.the deficit was not an average ten, 11% under Labour. Governments around
:12:14. > :12:21.the world after the crisis saved the capitalist system, with a stimulus
:12:22. > :12:27.that costs money. You are picking up a number during a year after the
:12:28. > :12:31.crisis. It was one year when governments saved the capitalist
:12:32. > :12:37.system. Deficits matter but what matters is what you are spending on.
:12:38. > :12:43.The figures you showed our telling. Italy's deficit today is lower than
:12:44. > :12:50.the UK deficit. Italy's deficit has been lower than Germany's the last
:12:51. > :12:54.20 years. What matters is how you are growing. What matters and what
:12:55. > :12:59.both parties should be talking about and are not, is the big elephant in
:13:00. > :13:05.the room, the source of growth in this country continues to be private
:13:06. > :13:10.debt, consumption led growth, not investment led growth. The issue of
:13:11. > :13:18.private debt to disposable income is back at record levels since before
:13:19. > :13:24.the crisis. What would your fiscal target be? 4% of GDP, 3%? You are
:13:25. > :13:31.obsessing. If the numbers are always going to be there. Did she learn
:13:32. > :13:36.anything from the Excel sheet problem when they obsess on this
:13:37. > :13:43.terrible number, when it went over 90, the debt to GDP, that was found
:13:44. > :13:47.to be irrelevant. It does not tell us much. I get from what you are
:13:48. > :13:55.saying that the kind of spending... Next question. Is spending more on
:13:56. > :13:58.police and welfare and more on all the things we know the Labour Party
:13:59. > :14:06.would like to spend more on, is that the kind of spending that gives you
:14:07. > :14:13.long-term growth? You need long-term growth, you want a plan for the
:14:14. > :14:17.country. Whether it is Germany's energy policy, not just capital
:14:18. > :14:24.expenditure, innovation, infrastructure, it is a type of
:14:25. > :14:30.spend you could call consumption, trying to change demand. Norway, why
:14:31. > :14:36.are 30% of Tesla cars sold in Norway? They focus on a particular
:14:37. > :14:42.consumption. This dilemma, should we spend on nurses or infrastructure...
:14:43. > :14:45.? People are worried if you say it is a false question. The data shows
:14:46. > :14:52.it is a false question. Weak countries have low debt to GDP ratio
:14:53. > :14:56.is, what does that tell you? Do you think in this campaign it will be an
:14:57. > :15:02.issue? Do you think this election campaign, we will talk about Brexit
:15:03. > :15:06.in Europe? It will be an issue because the Labour Party are making
:15:07. > :15:12.promises that cost a lot of money and they have no idea how to pay for
:15:13. > :15:16.it whereas the Conservatives will be responsible. The more irresponsible
:15:17. > :15:22.promises we hear from Labour to be paid for by our children. Economic
:15:23. > :15:29.policy has reduced how much we are spending on education. Why are
:15:30. > :15:36.headteachers all over the country protesting? Are they foolish? Let's
:15:37. > :15:42.not argue about it, we know it is going down. Project to the tea is
:15:43. > :15:46.lacking. The increase in real incomes has gone to over
:15:47. > :15:52.60-year-olds. We have an increasingly financial economy,
:15:53. > :15:55.personal debt to disposable income is back to record levels. How can
:15:56. > :16:00.you call that achievement? We need to leave it there.
:16:01. > :16:03.Well, back to the issue that is dominating the campaign - Brexit.
:16:04. > :16:05.Jean-Claude Juncker has tried to do to Theresa May,
:16:06. > :16:09.what Nick Ferrari did to Diane Abbott.
:16:10. > :16:12.He appeared to try to show that she has no grasp of the complex
:16:13. > :16:19.Certainly, weekend leaks about an awkward discussion at No 10
:16:20. > :16:22.last Wednesday have shown how hostile the mood might become.
:16:23. > :16:36.Politically all these headlines about them getting together and
:16:37. > :16:39.saying the UK is deluded. Cabinet ministers believe this will play
:16:40. > :16:43.nicely put them in the general election. One of them said this
:16:44. > :16:48.shows the Germans want to be nasty to us. So we will say to the British
:16:49. > :16:52.people do you want as Jeremy Corbyn dealing with this. They mentioned
:16:53. > :16:56.the Germans because they believe that the nation 's German chief of
:16:57. > :16:59.staff to the European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker was
:17:00. > :17:05.behind this briefing in the German press. And today Theresa May court
:17:06. > :17:11.Jean-Claude Juncker on the spot and told the BBC, do not forget I can be
:17:12. > :17:15.a bloody difficult woman. The irony is that was the language point last
:17:16. > :17:21.year by Kenneth Clarke who of course was a big pro-European Tories and
:17:22. > :17:25.the only Tory MP to vote against the triggering of Article 50. So a
:17:26. > :17:29.political dimension to this. Are we really learning anything about the
:17:30. > :17:34.Brexit process and how hard it is going to be? Well in the medium to
:17:35. > :17:38.longer term there are nervous on the Tory side. One senior Tory said this
:17:39. > :17:44.showed these negotiations are going to be very, very tough. Amongst
:17:45. > :17:48.ministers, opinions are divided. I spoke to one minister who said he
:17:49. > :17:52.feared this account at the dinner showed they are grand delusions
:17:53. > :17:55.within his own government and he cited the apparent remarks by David
:17:56. > :17:59.Davies the Brexit secretary at this dinner saying if there is no deal
:18:00. > :18:03.and Britain crashes out, we will not with a penny. This minister said
:18:04. > :18:10.that would inflict enormous reputational damage on the UK. Other
:18:11. > :18:12.ministers say these are predictable skirmishing is from well-known
:18:13. > :18:23.European federalist Jean-Claude Juncker. Well, someone with
:18:24. > :18:24.experience of this is with me now. With me in the studio
:18:25. > :18:26.is Yanis Varoufakis, former Greek Finance Minister
:18:27. > :18:28.who resigned back in 2015 He's now written a book
:18:29. > :18:43.about the whole experience, Are you surprised when you read
:18:44. > :18:47.these briefings going on about the Brexit dinner? Absolutely not, this
:18:48. > :18:50.is the way in which Brussels in piece negotiations. What they will
:18:51. > :18:59.be doing for the next couple of years is pushing London towards a
:19:00. > :19:04.defensive stance through leaks, distortions, and strategy of making
:19:05. > :19:08.Theresa May fight for her right to negotiate. She will be negotiating
:19:09. > :19:13.on her right and opportunity to negotiate. There will be no real
:19:14. > :19:17.negotiations. You famously recorded some of your Eurogroup meetings
:19:18. > :19:20.because the briefings where, you wanted to make sure the briefings
:19:21. > :19:24.were accurate at what you have heard in the meeting. Nothing strange
:19:25. > :19:34.about that, I had to report to Parliament, to my Prime Minister and
:19:35. > :19:40.cabinet. They were distortion? There were no briefings. But the main
:19:41. > :19:43.issue as far as I was concerned, I was engaged in ten are long
:19:44. > :19:49.negotiations and then would have to go to my Parliament and report on
:19:50. > :19:54.what happened. After ten long strenuous hours the human mind slips
:19:55. > :20:00.and suddenly becomes hazy. So not having minutes for this is the
:20:01. > :20:05.opposite of a democratic and transparent process. Do you think
:20:06. > :20:10.Brexit -- Brexit is going to work out for the UK? You were against it
:20:11. > :20:16.at the time of the referendum. I was against it and my great concern for
:20:17. > :20:23.both the European Union and the UK is that our leaders, London and
:20:24. > :20:31.Brussels, are locked in, a ranking of preferences, which produces a bad
:20:32. > :20:36.outcome for everyone. Their power, Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker,
:20:37. > :20:42.Angela Merkel, is inversely proportional to the mutual advantage
:20:43. > :20:46.we can get from it. What is driving the deep establishment, the European
:20:47. > :20:54.establishment you're referred to, these are not evil people, that is
:20:55. > :20:58.not your case. Everyone is trying to do their best, it is like watching
:20:59. > :21:04.King Lear and you wonder how can these smart people be so deluded,
:21:05. > :21:07.the characters in the tragedy. They are playing their role and what they
:21:08. > :21:12.think they need to do in this situation. Jean-Claude Juncker and
:21:13. > :21:16.the powers that be in Brussels, the greatest nightmare is a mutually
:21:17. > :21:22.advantageous agreement with the UK because in their mind it would
:21:23. > :21:28.encourage others to demand stuff and possibly get out of the EU. On the
:21:29. > :21:32.other hand Theresa May, she is locked in to this inanity of putting
:21:33. > :21:38.the end of freedom of movement above everything else. Above the interests
:21:39. > :21:46.of British industry, agriculture, universities. So this is a political
:21:47. > :21:50.failure of an immense degree. Politics these days, where are you
:21:51. > :21:54.on the liberal establishment because it is the most persecuted group at
:21:55. > :22:00.the moment, it has not had a great couple of years. In many respects
:22:01. > :22:04.you are talking about the liberal establishment and deep establishment
:22:05. > :22:10.as the same thing. They are two extent. These days they resemble a
:22:11. > :22:13.person was killed his parents and is pleading for leniency at the Court
:22:14. > :22:20.on the grounds that he is an awesome. They have been extremely
:22:21. > :22:24.authoritarian in the way they have dealt with us and are now dealing
:22:25. > :22:29.with Theresa May. They have been extremely authoritarian and imposing
:22:30. > :22:34.Lily economics. The idea that you take the largest loan in human
:22:35. > :22:37.history and give it to the most bankrupt state in Europe is Lily
:22:38. > :22:43.economics. And now they are in retreat, they are complaining about
:22:44. > :22:51.the alternative facts, distortions and leaks and the Lily economics.
:22:52. > :22:58.The deal back in the UK general election? Jeremy Corbyn for sure,
:22:59. > :23:05.I'm a leftist. But you are a bit of a fan of Emmanuel Macron in France.
:23:06. > :23:10.In the case of the UK I think is madness that the Labour Party is
:23:11. > :23:15.standing and putting up a candidate in places like Brighton against
:23:16. > :23:18.Caroline Lucas because of the sectarianism of the Progressive
:23:19. > :23:24.front. I wish there was a nuanced Progressive Alliance in the UK. But
:23:25. > :23:31.in France you're right, I'm a leftist, what a left doing in 2002
:23:32. > :23:39.when we had the ten senior pitted against Jacques Chirac, we all went
:23:40. > :23:43.behind Jacques Chirac. He admired Thatcher, he was a Conservative, not
:23:44. > :23:50.at all a friend of the left and yet the left used to understand that
:23:51. > :23:54.binding together with liberals and even neoliberals against the
:23:55. > :24:02.fascists are racist, ultrabright, was a absolute duty. Why have we
:24:03. > :24:10.changed that today? Because many of his voters are going to go because
:24:11. > :24:13.they're anti-globalisation. I am anti-globalisation but above
:24:14. > :24:20.everything else I am anti-racists. And antifascist. And we should see
:24:21. > :24:23.eye to eye. Macron is infinitely better by the way Ben Jacques Chirac
:24:24. > :24:28.was. He's the only minister I met during my tenure who understood the
:24:29. > :24:30.problems of Lily economics in Europe and tried to help Greece not to
:24:31. > :24:33.crash. Thank you very much. There is a contrast between the Tory
:24:34. > :24:36.and Labour campaigns, in that Theresa May is ahead
:24:37. > :24:39.of her party in the poll ratings, while Jeremy Corbyn
:24:40. > :24:40.is below his party. Now, one of the consequent
:24:41. > :24:43.weirdnesses about this campaign is that many Labour candidates
:24:44. > :24:45.are trying to distance Meanwhile, many Labour activists,
:24:46. > :24:49.of course, are enthusiastic about him and are campaigning hard
:24:50. > :24:53.in his name as well as Labour's. The Corbyn supporting
:24:54. > :24:55.group Momentum, is out So is there sometimes a dissonance
:24:56. > :25:06.between the line taken by the candidate and those
:25:07. > :25:08.who come to campaign? James Clayton has been
:25:09. > :25:11.to Luton South to see how the Labour Luton is that rarest thing
:25:12. > :25:19.in southern England. They have two MPs here,
:25:20. > :25:26.that's a sixth of Labour MPs in the whole of the South
:25:27. > :25:34.outside the capital. The local MP of Luton, Gavin Shukla,
:25:35. > :25:38.has a majority of just under 6000 from the Tories and that puts him
:25:39. > :25:40.in the cross hairs of So how are Labour MPs
:25:41. > :25:46.like Gavin Shukla planning Normally in an election
:25:47. > :25:56.what you would want to do is identify where your Labour vote
:25:57. > :25:59.is and turn them out. In this election we are doing it
:26:00. > :26:01.slightly differently. We are trying to identify
:26:02. > :26:03.where the people that are wobbly about voting Labour
:26:04. > :26:05.are and persuade them. There's always a bit
:26:06. > :26:07.of both in both campaigns, but with maybe one in five Labour
:26:08. > :26:10.voters with question marks about how they're
:26:11. > :26:12.going to put the X in the box, that is the absolute
:26:13. > :26:14.priority for us. The message that we are delivering
:26:15. > :26:17.on the doorstep, you can have a great local MP,
:26:18. > :26:20.but you do not want to give So you have got Theresa May,
:26:21. > :26:28.don't give her a blank cheque. That sounds like you're not
:26:29. > :26:30.particularly confident that you're Well look, the reality
:26:31. > :26:34.is if the polls are at least in the ballpark, Labour is not
:26:35. > :26:37.going to form the next government. It is quite a confusing
:26:38. > :26:39.message, isn't it? Because you are basically
:26:40. > :26:40.telling the electorate, we are the Labour Party,
:26:41. > :26:43.we are going to lose. The closer it looks nationally,
:26:44. > :26:52.arguably the harder it is to win some of these seats that we retain
:26:53. > :26:55.because the question marks about leadership,
:26:56. > :26:57.Brexit and other policy issues make it harder to make a case
:26:58. > :27:00.about a straight choice You've got a lovely picture
:27:01. > :27:06.of yourself and you've got But you do not have your great
:27:07. > :27:12.leader Jeremy Corbyn on there. Well to be honest in 2010 I did not
:27:13. > :27:15.have Gordon Brown and in 2015 Is that not more a reflection
:27:16. > :27:23.about your leaders! The reality is a seat like Luton
:27:24. > :27:28.is won by being a local candidate. You wouldn't offer up
:27:29. > :27:31.Jeremy Corbyn as a pitch The reality is if you are a floating
:27:32. > :27:37.voter, Labour supporter in the past with question marks now,
:27:38. > :27:41.most of the concerns So for that reason, it is not that
:27:42. > :27:48.kind of election for us. It has to be on our local records
:27:49. > :27:54.and not the national picture. Hi, my name is Elaine,
:27:55. > :28:02.I'm from the Labour Party. And I just want to know if you've
:28:03. > :28:05.got a few minutes to talk In London the grassroots campaigning
:28:06. > :28:09.group Momentum have been training local volunteers about how
:28:10. > :28:12.to campaign effectively And rather than focus on local
:28:13. > :28:16.issues, activists are teaching volunteers how to field
:28:17. > :28:22.difficult national questions. Here Jeremy Corbyn is seen very much
:28:23. > :28:25.as a positive on the doorstep. We think Jeremy represents
:28:26. > :28:29.something really wonderful. It is a new kind of
:28:30. > :28:31.politics, a kind politics. And we are very proud of that
:28:32. > :28:35.and we think that that And so we want to take
:28:36. > :28:39.that to the voters. But the local MPs do not
:28:40. > :28:41.necessarily think that? There is a lot of things going
:28:42. > :28:45.on in the party, as people know. But in this general election
:28:46. > :28:48.we think Jeremy Corbyn is someone that people can believe
:28:49. > :28:51.in and what he stands for and the politics
:28:52. > :28:53.that he represents is something So we are proudly
:28:54. > :29:00.taking that to people. Momentum is a mixed blessing
:29:01. > :29:03.for many Labour MPs. With 150,000 registered supporters,
:29:04. > :29:07.it is a potentially powerful Do you think that Momentum will be
:29:08. > :29:16.useful in this campaign? I think Momentum could be hugely
:29:17. > :29:20.useful if they can translate the numbers of supporters they have
:29:21. > :29:25.into people coming through the door of this campaign office
:29:26. > :29:28.and out on the doorstep. My membership has increased
:29:29. > :29:30.by three or four times But my number of activists has not
:29:31. > :29:35.increased really over So what we need is encouragement
:29:36. > :29:41.to say that if you want Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister,
:29:42. > :29:44.you have got to come out Labour's internal differences have
:29:45. > :29:52.been well publicised But just as members have wildly
:29:53. > :29:58.different ideas of what they want from Labour Party policy,
:29:59. > :30:02.so too do they differ on how best to convince constituents to vote
:30:03. > :30:08.Labour come June the 8th. If you are interested in seeing
:30:09. > :30:13.a full list of candidates for Luton South they'll be
:30:14. > :30:15.on the BBC News website If ever you needed evidence of how
:30:16. > :30:22.serious a mental condition that anorexia can be,
:30:23. > :30:25.the tragic case of 15-year-old She took her own life
:30:26. > :30:30.by stepping in front of a train She had been diagnosed
:30:31. > :30:36.with severe anorexia at age 13, had been sectioned and given
:30:37. > :30:40.treatment, her weight sometimes But, against her and her family's
:30:41. > :30:45.wishes, she was discharged She then killed herself
:30:46. > :30:50.just days later. Today, a jury inquest found that
:30:51. > :30:53.contributing to her death was a lack of support available for her family,
:30:54. > :30:57.and an inadequate care plan for her. This is Pip's mum Marie speaking
:30:58. > :31:01.outside the coroner's Anorexia has the highest mortality
:31:02. > :31:06.rate attributed to any psychiatric illness,
:31:07. > :31:07.with as many as 40% Too many of our children are dying
:31:08. > :31:14.from this terrible illness. Effective treatment is needed more
:31:15. > :31:17.quickly and if this had been available to our beautiful daughter
:31:18. > :31:19.maybe she would still With me in the studio is Emma Woolf,
:31:20. > :31:32.a writer and broadcaster who suffered from anorexia for 10
:31:33. > :31:48.years - she wrote the memoir We know that if you starve yourself,
:31:49. > :31:53.you endanger your life. Suicide by other means for people with
:31:54. > :31:59.anorexia, how common is that? It is very common. As Pippa's mother
:32:00. > :32:05.mentioned, anorexia has the highest mortality rate of any mental
:32:06. > :32:10.illness, higher than schizophrenia, which is surprising. It is not just
:32:11. > :32:15.people dying from a lack of food, it is that high suicide rate, because
:32:16. > :32:21.life becomes so desperate and miserable. Food for everyone else is
:32:22. > :32:26.the fuel for life and keeps your body going. As your brain and body
:32:27. > :32:32.staff, everything falls apart. It feels so difficult and desperate to
:32:33. > :32:38.keep going. What therapy is available? Particularly NHS therapy.
:32:39. > :32:44.How easy is it if your child is suffering, a teenager? At the moment
:32:45. > :32:51.we basically have basic medication, is, and talking therapy. Behavioural
:32:52. > :32:59.therapy and counselling. What is the state of the art on what works? What
:33:00. > :33:03.works is a combination of talking therapy, cognitive behavioural
:33:04. > :33:09.support. And if people are desperately underweight and need
:33:10. > :33:16.medical help they will have feeding. What I hear anecdotally from
:33:17. > :33:21.thousands of younger readers is that there are long waiting lists for
:33:22. > :33:27.help. As the mother said, there is not the help people need. Often it
:33:28. > :33:31.is rationed. To tell someone with anorexia who is losing weight, you
:33:32. > :33:37.are not thin enough the treatment is the most dangerous thing you can do.
:33:38. > :33:41.You are over it now? I am now, but it took a very long time and I don't
:33:42. > :33:48.think any of these treatments, it is not a magic with it. It took ten
:33:49. > :33:52.years of trying and failing and trying and failing again and it was
:33:53. > :33:55.a gradual process. There was nothing when you said you went to this
:33:56. > :34:00.person with this idea? Everybody wants a breakthrough, but it is
:34:01. > :34:07.about challenging yourself each time, gaining weight, losing it
:34:08. > :34:12.again, gaining weight, trying foods that scare you and realising having
:34:13. > :34:18.a slice of toast will not make you fat. These ridiculous fears, that is
:34:19. > :34:24.the thing, it does not make sense. It is the most inexplicable... For
:34:25. > :34:28.someone without anorexia to understand the mindset is difficult.
:34:29. > :34:33.You see a starving person and think, how can you not eat? It does not
:34:34. > :34:37.make sense and it does not make sense when you are in the midst of
:34:38. > :34:43.it. You cannot understand why you can't eat, but you can't. Research
:34:44. > :34:49.has shown us it is about the brain, there are conditions within the
:34:50. > :34:53.brain. It is a brain disease, not a lifestyle choice. It is important to
:34:54. > :34:55.understand people are not making a choice. Thanks very much.
:34:56. > :34:58.Who knew we needed an election artist?
:34:59. > :35:00.But we do have one, appointed by the Speaker's Advisory
:35:01. > :35:06.Who better to serve in that role than Cornelia Parker?
:35:07. > :35:08.An artist famous for grand installations, provocative
:35:09. > :35:11.performances pieces and a fair dose of wit, she's already
:35:12. > :35:14.begun an election-themed Instagram account.
:35:15. > :35:17.One could attempt any number of election puns out
:35:18. > :35:19.of her previous works, like Cold Dark Matter, or The Maybe.
:35:20. > :35:22.But rather than me do that, we left it to our culture editor
:35:23. > :35:34.I think the House of Commons is down here.
:35:35. > :35:43.There's a reason they usually have a man with a big black
:35:44. > :35:49.conceptual artist and you never know where her professional curiosity
:35:50. > :35:54.I think I might just take a picture over here.
:35:55. > :35:56.I'm hoping this is where Theresa May sits.
:35:57. > :36:01.I am just glad Newsnight was on hand to
:36:02. > :36:03.preserve the modesty of the Mother of Parliaments.
:36:04. > :36:08.I wonder if she sits across the crease.
:36:09. > :36:10.I thought we were obsessed with their seats on this
:36:11. > :36:15.I love all the creases on it which is made
:36:16. > :36:21.by politicians' bottoms, not their minds.
:36:22. > :36:29.I once photographed Freud's seat. His actual seat he sat in. His
:36:30. > :36:37.consulting chair. I liked the marks were made by Freud subconsciously. I
:36:38. > :36:43.am still getting over the shock of becoming the election artist. It was
:36:44. > :36:48.a snap election and they made a snap decision about which artist. How
:36:49. > :36:51.does it feel? OK, I did not waste too much time saying yes because I
:36:52. > :36:57.thought if I thought about it too long I would not do it. I am glad I
:36:58. > :37:02.did. This might be one for Instagram. I am new to Instagram, it
:37:03. > :37:10.is my first social media. With the current Speaker, we might see where
:37:11. > :37:17.their heels are banking against... Perhaps that is unkind. Another
:37:18. > :37:20.political abstracts. It is interesting, the buttons. I wonder
:37:21. > :37:30.what they do. Is there a panic button? An ejector seat. I would
:37:31. > :37:35.like to think so. In a nonpartisan way an ejector seat for the speaker
:37:36. > :37:43.to use. Like the big red chair on Graham Norton. Do you have strong
:37:44. > :37:49.political leanings in any direction? I am not so much party political but
:37:50. > :37:55.I feel I am a very concerned citizen because there is so much happening
:37:56. > :38:01.in the world. I have a 15-year-old and I am much more politically
:38:02. > :38:06.attuned, especially about things like climate change, NHS, education,
:38:07. > :38:18.particularly, so there are issues. Brexit seems to be slumping a bit.
:38:19. > :38:25.You do like a dimpled seat. I hope I am not fixated on bottoms. You were
:38:26. > :38:31.the one who consulted Doctor Freud. What Freud would say about this I
:38:32. > :38:35.don't know. Nice. Apart from her Instagram feed, Cornelia Parker says
:38:36. > :38:40.she is still considering what other works she might produce. She does
:38:41. > :38:45.not want to be pigeonholed. Diane Abbott, she is number one. I should
:38:46. > :38:54.stress this is the artist's own idea. Why did that appealed to you?
:38:55. > :39:00.I saw a gap under her heel and thought, what could go in that gap?
:39:01. > :39:08.Political artist trodden on by former PM. Stephen Smith with
:39:09. > :39:15.Cornelia Parker. Just time for one newspaper, the Financial Times. EU
:39:16. > :39:22.raises UK Brexit build to 100 billion euros. Previously it had
:39:23. > :39:23.been 60 billion. We leave you with Colin Jackson
:39:24. > :39:28.breaking the 60 metre indoor hurdles world record from 1994 -
:39:29. > :39:30.his record still stands today. But, it's under threat -
:39:31. > :39:36.a new proposal by European Athletics would cancel all world records set
:39:37. > :39:39.before 2005 because they don't Colin Jackson has described
:39:40. > :39:42.the proposals as "ludicrous", So, we thought we'd give you another
:39:43. > :39:49.chance to enjoy this race COMMENTATOR: And this
:39:50. > :39:55.time they are away. Jarrett is only a stride behind him,
:39:56. > :40:00.but Jackson pulling away Greg Foster's mark of
:40:01. > :40:23.1987 has been toppled. 21 degrees in the Highland Scotland
:40:24. > :40:27.today. Just turn off the North Sea coast. A lot of sunshine in
:40:28. > :40:32.Scotland, Northern Ireland, northern counties of northern England but for
:40:33. > :40:38.the rest, cloud increasing. A bright sky in the afternoon in Northern
:40:39. > :40:41.Ireland. Highland Scotland perhaps not quite as warm as today but the
:40:42. > :40:47.breeze coming in from the North Sea makes all the difference. It is
:40:48. > :40:52.always better when you see sunshine. In the Midlands, and south-east
:40:53. > :40:59.England, it looks like a cloudy afternoon and for some patchy rain.
:41:00. > :41:02.12 degrees in London, feeling cooler in the breeze. Cloud increasing in
:41:03. > :41:11.the south-west England and much of Wales. For some in northern England,
:41:12. > :41:16.cloudy in the afternoon but sunny the further north you go. Northern
:41:17. > :41:21.England, Northern Ireland and northern Scotland going into
:41:22. > :41:24.Thursday and Friday seeing the best of the sunshine. Further south, more
:41:25. > :41:32.cloud around and time threatening showers. They will not amount to
:41:33. > :41:38.much. This is the picture on Thursday. Showers in England and
:41:39. > :41:39.Wales. Northern England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, getting