:00:10. > :00:12.For us it's been tough, you know, let's admit it.
:00:13. > :00:15.It's been disappointing, but there's been mixed results.
:00:16. > :00:17.Obviously, we need to gain support and, I tell you,
:00:18. > :00:20.compared to two years ago, we're doing our best, doing well.
:00:21. > :00:22.I'm disappointed we've lost seats because our candidates
:00:23. > :00:24.and our councillors have worked so hard.
:00:25. > :00:27.We came within 5,000 votes of winning the west of England,
:00:28. > :00:31.Yeah, it's been a tough night, but it's mixed results and it's
:00:32. > :00:33.all to play for in terms of the general election.
:00:34. > :00:35.As far as the general election is concerned,
:00:36. > :00:40.We will see what happens when the whistle is blown for full-time.
:00:41. > :00:44.It's not unusual to try and put a brave face on bad news.
:00:45. > :00:49.But some days, it's harder than others.
:00:50. > :00:54.With just over a month to go before a general election,
:00:55. > :00:58.Britain's main opposition party, Labour, is moving backwards.
:00:59. > :01:04.They've lost seats and mayoralty contests,
:01:05. > :01:09.They lost to the SNP in Glasgow, they lost to the Tories
:01:10. > :01:10.in the North of England, they lost to nameless
:01:11. > :01:12.independents in South Wales - all former heartlands.
:01:13. > :01:15.For a party whose proud activists calls themselves 'Momentum',
:01:16. > :01:18.Here - in other words - is a party slipping further away
:01:19. > :01:24.Some solace for Labour, Ukip had a worse time
:01:25. > :01:29.The party that clambered aboard a wrecking ball and drove it
:01:30. > :01:31.through the British political system, emerged with just
:01:32. > :01:33.one councillor today - a lone soul in Burnley.
:01:34. > :01:39.Sober faces masking an extraordinary set of results.
:01:40. > :01:44.Tonight, we analyse the new political landscape
:01:45. > :01:46.and ask what it could spell for the election in June.
:01:47. > :01:48.Our political editor, Nick Watt, is in Birmingham.
:01:49. > :01:53.Let us start with the Tories. Theresa May really doing what she
:01:54. > :01:59.set out to do, Nick? Yes, that's right. Here I am in Birmingham where
:02:00. > :02:05.the Conservative Party have ventured into Labour heartlands by capturing
:02:06. > :02:09.that West Midlands mayoralty. If you take that result and combine it with
:02:10. > :02:13.the results across Great Britain the Conservative Party is healing for a
:02:14. > :02:17.decisive victory in next mornt's general election. They are moving
:02:18. > :02:23.back into parts of Great Britain where they really haven't had much
:02:24. > :02:27.of an impact for the last 25 years. And, the Conservatives have an 11
:02:28. > :02:33.point lead in the projected national share. That is higher than Margaret
:02:34. > :02:39.Thatcher had this time in 1983 and 1987 and that was fold in both those
:02:40. > :02:44.cases by landslide general election victories. Conservative ministers
:02:45. > :02:48.they are saying - there is no complacency you can always make a
:02:49. > :02:52.mistake in the next five weeks. I spoke to a Cabinet Minister this
:02:53. > :02:55.afternoon who said to me - interestingly, Theresa May's gamble
:02:56. > :02:59.on that early election was the right one. Your thoughts on Labour
:03:00. > :03:04.tonight, Nick? The Labour Party are saying that they are still in the
:03:05. > :03:09.game. They are saying that 11 point Tory lead is narrower than the
:03:10. > :03:14.opinion poll lead. They are saying - look, they won the Manchester,
:03:15. > :03:19.George Michael mayoralt and Liverpool decriesively. Senior
:03:20. > :03:24.Labour figures in private are in despair. They think the party is
:03:25. > :03:30.heading to a heavy defeat next month. Jeremy Corbyn headed to
:03:31. > :03:33.Manchester this afternoon to celebrate Andy Burnham victory, but
:03:34. > :03:39.the new Mayor, well, he was otherwise engaged. On this historic
:03:40. > :03:40.day we decided to take a look at the five lessons we've learnt from
:03:41. > :03:55.today. The people of Britain have spoken.
:03:56. > :03:59.The political ground has shifted and Britain is on course for a
:04:00. > :04:03.realignment in next month's general election. But just what have we
:04:04. > :04:12.learnt from the multitude of elections across Great Britain?
:04:13. > :04:19.Crowing by ministers has been banned by Number Ten. They have little
:04:20. > :04:24.doubt that Theresa May's decision to call an early general election will
:04:25. > :04:28.pay off. Strange to think that just a few weeks ago some ministers were
:04:29. > :04:36.wondering whether her gamble was really that wise. Now, ministers are
:04:37. > :04:41.drawing parallels with Margaret Thatcher's landslide victories in
:04:42. > :04:48.1983 and 1987. She triggered those contests a few days after success in
:04:49. > :04:51.the local elections. Theresa May had no such luxury. She had to go
:04:52. > :04:55.earlier because ministers felt there was a short window before the Brexit
:04:56. > :05:08.negotiations are properly under way. Theresa May's two core messages at
:05:09. > :05:14.the launch of her campaign for the Tory leadership, here in Birmingham
:05:15. > :05:19.last July, are paying dividends. Her pledge that, yes, Brexit would mean
:05:20. > :05:23.Brexit has won over Ukip voters. And her insistence that the referendum
:05:24. > :05:28.result was a cry from people who feel left behind by globalisation
:05:29. > :05:37.has won over blue collar voters from Ukip and Labour.
:05:38. > :05:48.In the home of the pay rant saint of Mayism the Tories achieved their
:05:49. > :05:53.best win of these elections. Street, Andy, the Conservative Party
:05:54. > :06:00.candidate is duly elected as Mayor for the West Midlands. His success
:06:01. > :06:09.in the West Midlands Mayoral contest shows that the Conservatives are on
:06:10. > :06:19.the march in Labour heartlands. The giants of the Labour movement would
:06:20. > :06:24.be stunned as bastians fell. Glasgow and the land of Michael Foot. They
:06:25. > :06:30.won Greater Manchester and Liverpool, giving the party some
:06:31. > :06:39.hope that urban areas may save it from meltdown on the 8th June.
:06:40. > :06:45.Ukip changed the country by laying the ground for the Brexit vote. But
:06:46. > :06:49.in their success, they may very well have put themselves out of business.
:06:50. > :06:56.On the other side there was little sign of a bounce from aggrieved K
:06:57. > :07:00.Remain supporters, for Britain's two most ro-European parties, the
:07:01. > :07:08.Liberal Democrats and the SNP, who both earn'ts experienced mixed
:07:09. > :07:14.results. Is You end with Nicola Sturgeon. Talk us through the SNP's
:07:15. > :07:21.fortunes today? Do you agree we've reached Peak Nat in the words of
:07:22. > :07:26.Ruth Davidson? We possible have. You heard in my report that Labour has
:07:27. > :07:30.lost control of Glasgow. What is interesting. They might be talking
:07:31. > :07:33.about it in a few decades time today, is the return of the
:07:34. > :07:37.Conservative Party. 20 years ago they were wiped out in Scotland,
:07:38. > :07:42.today they are back and back in unexpected places. There is a
:07:43. > :07:47.Conservative councillor now in the Paisley, one of the most deprived
:07:48. > :07:51.areas of Scotland. Ruth Davidson, the leader of the Scottish
:07:52. > :07:55.Conservatives she says that her party is now unquestionably the main
:07:56. > :08:01.party of the Union in Scotland. She is hoping that in next month's
:08:02. > :08:05.general election she will pick up tactical votes from people across
:08:06. > :08:11.the spectrum who do not want to have a second independence referendum.
:08:12. > :08:18.Nick, thanks very much indeed. Nick Watt there in Birmingham.
:08:19. > :08:20.West Midlands, Tees Valley, Derbyshire, Lancashire,
:08:21. > :08:23.These were the places they used to weigh the labour vote,
:08:24. > :08:25.so certain were they of their heartland support.
:08:26. > :08:28.Today, they saw them slip out of their grip.
:08:29. > :08:30.This map, from the Guardian, shows the Labour gains.
:08:31. > :08:32.And this one shows the Tory gains - they are everywhere.
:08:33. > :08:35.So where does Labour think they'll win the general election?
:08:36. > :08:42.Campaign manager, Andrew Gwynne, joins me now from Salford.
:08:43. > :08:47.Nice of you to join us, Andrew Gwynne. Based on what you have seen
:08:48. > :08:51.today, do you still believe you can win the general election? Well, of
:08:52. > :08:57.course we fight elections to win because we are in this game to
:08:58. > :09:02.change Britain for the better. So, before a single vote has been cast
:09:03. > :09:06.for the general election, of course we are fighting for every single
:09:07. > :09:10.Labour vote in every part of the United Kingdom that we will be
:09:11. > :09:14.contesting. Do you believe you can win it on this result? Of course,
:09:15. > :09:19.you have to believe in politics that you can win. I do believe that we
:09:20. > :09:26.can win if we get our message across, our policies across. If
:09:27. > :09:31.Labour candidates, if Labour Party members hit the ground. Dust
:09:32. > :09:35.ourselves down, we have taken a bruising today in parts of the
:09:36. > :09:38.country. I play tribute to Labour candidates and councillors who have
:09:39. > :09:42.stood for the party and sadly not been elected. You are the head of
:09:43. > :09:46.campaigns now. You recognise, presumably, you are going to have a
:09:47. > :09:52.pretty radical shift, in terms ofs how you get that message out now,
:09:53. > :09:56.what's going to happen? We have five weeks to change the course of the
:09:57. > :10:00.next five years. That's a massive challenge. It's one I'm up to and
:10:01. > :10:10.it's one that I know many of my colleagues are up to. What we've got
:10:11. > :10:14.to do, going forward, is we have to, obviously, launch our manifesto and
:10:15. > :10:17.get our policies there. We have a transformational vision for the
:10:18. > :10:21.Britain which is different to the society we live in now. A fairer,
:10:22. > :10:26.more equal and just society. I'm confident that if we can get that
:10:27. > :10:32.message out - Those policies are out, aren't they? We have heard a
:10:33. > :10:36.lot of you campaigning on the issues, police numbers, talked
:10:37. > :10:39.schools, talked NHS and the crisis. These are presumably what you want
:10:40. > :10:43.to be talking about that message still hasn't got through to voters
:10:44. > :10:47.today? That's just the start. I urge you to wait until the 16th May when
:10:48. > :10:53.we will launch our manifesto. You will see that there are some pretty
:10:54. > :10:57.radical and forward thinking policies in there. I don't doubt
:10:58. > :11:03.that we have got a challenge on our hands. It's our duty to make sure
:11:04. > :11:09.that we Ied fight for every single Labour vote. That we fight to make
:11:10. > :11:13.sure that as many Labour MPs are returned to parliament on the 8th
:11:14. > :11:18.June. The trouble is, for Labour, you haven't got - Fight to win. You
:11:19. > :11:24.haven't got certain members of your party, many members of your party,
:11:25. > :11:30.behind you, as us know. The MP for Red car wrote this morning, "we've a
:11:31. > :11:36.lot to learn. The Tories have decimated Teesside, but people still
:11:37. > :11:42.didn't want to trust us." Sion Simon lost the West Midlands "traditional
:11:43. > :11:45.working-class votes want a simpler, stronger message they want
:11:46. > :11:50.patriotism, hard work, law and order." Do you concede that simple
:11:51. > :11:59.message - whatever the message is from Labour - isn't getting through?
:12:00. > :12:04.I absolutely know that candidates like Ana Turlly will be fighting for
:12:05. > :12:08.a Labour victory in red car. I support Anna in that. We need her to
:12:09. > :12:12.be returned to parliament. We need many more Labour MPs back in
:12:13. > :12:16.parliament. Absolutely we have to get - We know what you need. What
:12:17. > :12:20.I'm not hearing from you is the sense of how that could happen now?
:12:21. > :12:26.This is presumably a wake-up call. You have got a month to go. We know
:12:27. > :12:29.that you want to return MPs to parliament, we don't know how you're
:12:30. > :12:33.going to do it. We don't know what is going to be radical enough for
:12:34. > :12:35.you to get a message across, through Jeremy Corbyn, through John
:12:36. > :12:41.McDonnell, which hasn't worked so far? Firstly, be patient. Let's see
:12:42. > :12:46.what's in that manifesto. Secondly, of course we have lessons to learn.
:12:47. > :12:53.We've also got lessons to learn from the areas where we did well in the
:12:54. > :12:58.local elections. Places like Greater Manchester where the Tories were
:12:59. > :13:03.defeated in their own areas. For example - Where your candidate
:13:04. > :13:12.didn't wait around to see his leader turn-up? The Conservative candidate
:13:13. > :13:16.in greater man chest, the Greater Manchester. We have lessons to
:13:17. > :13:24.learn, both bad and good from these elections. I'm not complacent. I'm
:13:25. > :13:28.looking very carefully at how we build on those issues and we get our
:13:29. > :13:33.message across. You have to be more than not complacent, don't you? Step
:13:34. > :13:36.back from this for a second. You are trying to replace a Government that
:13:37. > :13:41.has imposed seven years of austerity. It's failed to meet
:13:42. > :13:46.immigration targets. It's failed to reach its deficit targets. It failed
:13:47. > :13:50.to solve a crisis in the NHS. You are moving backwards. You are losing
:13:51. > :13:56.your Labour heartlands. You can't begin to make gains in a situation
:13:57. > :14:02.like that. What's gone wrong? We are making gains in parts of the
:14:03. > :14:06.country. We increased our majority in Swansea we had a landslide in
:14:07. > :14:11.Greater Manchester and Merseyside. By a candidate who doesn't believe
:14:12. > :14:14.in Jeremy Corbyn? Including city regions who do not traditionally
:14:15. > :14:17.vote for the Labour Party. There are lessons to learn both from the poor
:14:18. > :14:20.results in parts of the country, but also from some of the good results
:14:21. > :14:25.in part of the country. Now, we've got a job to do in the next five
:14:26. > :14:29.weeks and I'm fully focused on the other hand making sure that we get
:14:30. > :14:34.that Labour message across - that we want to build a Britain for the
:14:35. > :14:37.many, not the few, and I'm confident that my colleagues, in the Labour
:14:38. > :14:43.Party, will be doing their bit to make sure that we return as many
:14:44. > :14:45.Labour MPs and, hopefully, on the 8th June, a Labour Government.
:14:46. > :14:50.Andrew Gwynne, thank you. Thank you. Whilst the results have been
:14:51. > :14:52.coming in across the UK, the two candidates vying to be
:14:53. > :14:55.the President of France have been pitching for votes
:14:56. > :14:57.on their last day of campaigning. Despite the best efforts
:14:58. > :14:59.of the far-right candidate, Marine Le Pen, Centrist Emmanuel
:15:00. > :15:01.Macron has a substantial lead in opinion polls
:15:02. > :15:03.ahead of Sunday's poll. Gabriel Gatehouse is in
:15:04. > :15:14.Paris for us tonight. Take us through what you are seeing
:15:15. > :15:19.and feeling there? Turnout will be key on Sunday. Emmanuel Macron's
:15:20. > :15:22.vote is broad, but soft. That is to say that in a recent poll, 60% of
:15:23. > :15:26.people who said they were planning to vote for him said they were
:15:27. > :15:31.planning to do so because they didn't like the other option on
:15:32. > :15:35.offer. Marine Le Pen's vote is narrower, but firmer. Her supporters
:15:36. > :15:40.are energised. A low turnout could work in her favour. Who trusts the
:15:41. > :15:44.polls these days I hear you ask after Brexit, after Trump? We had a
:15:45. > :15:47.dry run here in France. In the first round the opinion polls turned out
:15:48. > :15:51.to be pretty accurate. We are not in the predicting
:15:52. > :15:55.business, but the fact remains that one candidate is 20 points ahead in
:15:56. > :16:00.the opinion polls of the other. We have been taking a deep look at
:16:01. > :16:10.Emmanuel Macron and asking what his candidacy might tell us about
:16:11. > :16:13.politics today. The Whirlpool factory makes washing machinings,
:16:14. > :16:18.not for much longer. The work remembers fighting to save their
:16:19. > :16:23.jobs. They know it's a lost cost. Next year production will move to
:16:24. > :16:28.Poland where labour is cheaper and labour laws more liberal. The battle
:16:29. > :16:34.for this factory really encapsulates what this whole campaign is about.
:16:35. > :16:39.It's a straight fight between the globalalists and the nationalists.
:16:40. > :16:48.Emmanuel Macron is is on the side of globalisation.
:16:49. > :17:01.This is Emanuel's hometown. He could not promise to save their jobs. It
:17:02. > :17:07.did not go down well. Unemployment in France remain stubbornly at 10%.
:17:08. > :17:11.Pro testing is done in a certain style, there is beer and pork chops.
:17:12. > :17:44.Emmanuel Macron is not popular. In an era of rising populism,
:17:45. > :17:51.Emmanuel Macron is that most despised of creatures, a former
:17:52. > :17:55.banker turned technocrat, a pro-EU, pro-immigration liberal and yet, he
:17:56. > :18:05.is the favourite to win on Sunday. So who is he really? This is a
:18:06. > :18:08.senior adviser to President all on when Emmanuel Macron appeared as if
:18:09. > :18:12.out of nowhere to take the second most powerful job at the leaves
:18:13. > :18:42.palace. He was seductive, charming and clever.
:18:43. > :18:48.France is divided. Emmanuel Macron is running on a programme of
:18:49. > :18:53.economic liberalisation, reform of the Labour law, string given the
:18:54. > :18:56.state. Marine Le Pen wants tariff and increased welfare spending,
:18:57. > :19:00.these are the battle lines in an election in which neither of the two
:19:01. > :19:05.traditional parties has a candidate. Emmanuel Macron owes his rise to
:19:06. > :19:11.Francois Hollande who adopted him as his political son. Over the past
:19:12. > :19:15.five years, this man chronicles his presidency, interviewing him more
:19:16. > :19:20.than 60 times. When Emmanuel Macron left the Socialist Party to run for
:19:21. > :19:27.President, President Hollande soared as a betrayal. He has the face of an
:19:28. > :19:34.angel, but in, he is not an angel, in he is very ambitious and he wants
:19:35. > :19:43.to succeed. If he had to kill the father, he could do it, he did it.
:19:44. > :19:47.He is like my curve LE. Emmanuel Macron of course is not the first
:19:48. > :19:51.successful politician to exhibit a ruthless streak. What bothers some
:19:52. > :19:55.people about him is precisely the speed of his success. The fact that
:19:56. > :20:05.he appears to have come from nowhere. In a provincial town north
:20:06. > :20:09.of Paris where he grew up, we visited the place where he met his
:20:10. > :20:17.future wife, his drama teacher, 24 years his senior. This man and the
:20:18. > :20:26.young Emmanuel Macron word drama students together. He was friendly,
:20:27. > :20:30.easy to talk to, but he was also in a way secretive. They shared a
:20:31. > :20:35.passion for the theatre but on the subject of his secret love, Macron
:20:36. > :20:42.never confided in his friend. In fact, we never spoke about it. And I
:20:43. > :20:47.think, maybe we were good friends because I was not the type of guy to
:20:48. > :20:53.ask about those kind of things. Like everyone we spoke to, he speaks
:20:54. > :21:01.about the charm of Macron, but is it genuine or is he still acting? Both,
:21:02. > :21:08.really deeply both. His desire to help people, to serve his country,
:21:09. > :21:14.is bound up with his desire to be centre stage. In the town centre,
:21:15. > :21:19.Emmanuel Macron has his supporters, but if he wins the presidency, he
:21:20. > :21:23.will do so outside of the party system and without a Parliamentary
:21:24. > :21:30.base and that is likely to be a problem. Recent attempts to reform
:21:31. > :21:35.the Labour law have been both ineffective and unpopular. If Macron
:21:36. > :21:36.becomes President, expect more protests but if he does no one will
:21:37. > :22:10.be able to say they were not warned. Across Europe, the old duopoly of
:22:11. > :22:14.centre left and centre right is looking vulnerable. In France, it
:22:15. > :22:17.may have had its day, the new battle between the globalists and the
:22:18. > :22:19.Nationalists will not be concluded with the selection, whoever wins on
:22:20. > :22:26.Sunday. Gabriel Gatehouse reporting. The noisy boy band that is Ukip
:22:27. > :22:30.fielded 146 councillors So are they suffering
:22:31. > :22:34.second album syndrome? Is there anything left
:22:35. > :22:36.for them to do now? Or should they quietly
:22:37. > :22:38.disband and go home? David Grossman has
:22:39. > :22:55.been looking at them. Is Ukip a political force that has
:22:56. > :22:59.run its course? Like the abolitionists, the charters, the
:23:00. > :23:04.anti-Cornwall league and the suffragettes. All of them faded away
:23:05. > :23:08.when their principal aims had been secured. Indeed, it is hard to read
:23:09. > :23:13.last nights results in any other way, just months after the party
:23:14. > :23:19.secured its single-minded objective and almost complete wipe-out. All
:23:20. > :23:23.the seats it was defending laws, a single council seat games.
:23:24. > :23:29.Disappointing that I did not get back in, but unfortunately people
:23:30. > :23:34.are voting Conservative or Labour, because they think Brexit is
:23:35. > :23:37.finished. Has the music stopped for a Ukip? This is Boston in
:23:38. > :23:43.Lincolnshire, the Moors breads at supporting part of the UK. The
:23:44. > :23:49.county started the night with 13 Ukip councillors but not one dodge
:23:50. > :23:52.the draft. Ukip voters seem to stampede to the Conservatives. I
:23:53. > :23:56.always voted Labour and my family were all Labour, I have never voted
:23:57. > :24:03.for the Tories. We started voting for Ukip and now they have done
:24:04. > :24:07.their job. I like but the Tory party has to say, much better than Labour
:24:08. > :24:15.now. It will be Tory for me from now on. Their job is done now. I like
:24:16. > :24:21.Theresa reason Meynell and I think he is better and you can believe
:24:22. > :24:26.what she is saying. Membership of the European Union has been a
:24:27. > :24:31.disaster for us. Ukip was founded by this man as a pushback against
:24:32. > :24:36.European federalism. Popular support group from its campaign to stop
:24:37. > :24:41.Britain joining the euro, still remembered in its badge, but it only
:24:42. > :24:47.really took off after the huge wave of Easton European immigration hit
:24:48. > :24:51.the UK after 2004. The breakthrough came through in 2009 and they came
:24:52. > :24:56.second in the European elections and their estimated vote share in the
:24:57. > :25:02.council elections held on the same day was 9%. Fast forward to 2013 and
:25:03. > :25:07.Ukip turned in its best domestic performance with 23% of the vote.
:25:08. > :25:11.They slipped the following year, but came first in the European
:25:12. > :25:18.Parliament elections. In the general election of 2015, they got 13% and
:25:19. > :25:21.3.8 million votes. But yesterday, post the Brexit referendum, their
:25:22. > :25:28.projected vote share has plummeted to just 5%. I think it is over for
:25:29. > :25:32.Ukip, job done, we were instrumental in making sure we got the referendum
:25:33. > :25:36.and we played a part in making sure we won the referendum and now what
:25:37. > :25:39.we need to make sure we do is that Theresa May has a big mandate on
:25:40. > :25:44.June the 8th to make sure she gets on with it. So might the party that
:25:45. > :25:49.Nigel Farage helped found go the same way as the anti-slavery
:25:50. > :25:54.movement, commemorated in this Westminster memorial? If, in two
:25:55. > :25:57.years' time, we have not got back our territorial fishing waters and
:25:58. > :26:01.immigration is not under control and we are still paying billions of
:26:02. > :26:04.pounds to the European club, then having raised expectations to this
:26:05. > :26:10.level, and having not delivered, you could see a Ukip stronger than it
:26:11. > :26:13.has ever been. The current Ukip leader has declined all requests for
:26:14. > :26:22.interviews today, but in a statement said that the party had been the
:26:23. > :26:27.victim of its own success. It is hard to believe that in two decades,
:26:28. > :26:31.Ukip went from this to alter in the cause of the nation's history. Few
:26:32. > :26:35.would argue that we would have had the EU referendum without it and
:26:36. > :26:39.yet, there is no gratitude in politics and of Ukip want an encore,
:26:40. > :26:43.it will have to continually renew its relevance. David Grossman there.
:26:44. > :26:46.Gerard Batten is the Ukip MEP for London and Brexit spokesman.
:26:47. > :26:56.Very nice of you to come in. We heard from Theresa May today and
:26:57. > :27:01.from other party leaders, but we did not see Paul Nuttall at all. I don't
:27:02. > :27:05.know where he is. I have sent him messages but I do not know where he
:27:06. > :27:08.was. The rumour was that he was hiding in his house. He has done
:27:09. > :27:13.that before, he goes into hiding when he does not want to face
:27:14. > :27:17.people. He has been busy and he is entitled to a rest. This is why I am
:27:18. > :27:22.speaking to you. He is the leader of your party and he cannot be
:27:23. > :27:25.connecting well with voters. I am the Brexit spokesperson and what I
:27:26. > :27:30.think will be relevant is what has been discussed there. We are a
:27:31. > :27:36.victim of her own success. Politics is a funny business. The
:27:37. > :27:40.Conservative Party have got a surge of votes partly on the back of 25
:27:41. > :27:45.years of hard work by Ukip and the fact that we got the referendum and
:27:46. > :27:48.the fact that we won it and this is probably the most undeserved
:27:49. > :27:52.political victory in British political history. We had Mrs May
:27:53. > :27:55.who was a Remainer, a Conservative government that can pay to remain
:27:56. > :27:59.and now they have the task of taking us out and were Ukip will be
:28:00. > :28:01.relevant is because soon it will become apparent that Mrs May is not
:28:02. > :28:26.going to deliver the they voted for. Nigel
:28:27. > :28:29.Farage said if in two years' time, it is hard to write a manifesto
:28:30. > :28:31.around that, clearly people like the track she is on because she has had
:28:32. > :28:34.an extraordinary electoral day-to-day. They are not coming back
:28:35. > :28:37.to you for that. I think it will be quicker. If you read the White Paper
:28:38. > :28:40.on what the government plans to do, they plan to take us out of the EU
:28:41. > :28:43.in name but in substance we will be members. The election is in one
:28:44. > :28:46.month, how many candidates will you field? You have lost one of your key
:28:47. > :28:49.donors, you do not seem to have the voter base. He has not been a key
:28:50. > :28:52.donor for a long time. We always come up with the money. We do not
:28:53. > :28:55.have that take business or the unions but we always come up for the
:28:56. > :28:57.money. I do not know how many candidates there will be. I am not
:28:58. > :29:01.at the centre of the planning. We fielded about 600 last time and we
:29:02. > :29:03.will do as many as we can. We are suffering from the problem that
:29:04. > :29:11.people think Theresa May will deliver Brexit. You could just say,
:29:12. > :29:14.are job is done. Pack up, go home. Our job is to get Britain out of the
:29:15. > :29:18.European Union and what has happened since last year is nothing except
:29:19. > :29:21.they triggered Article 50, the wrong way to go about it, nothing has
:29:22. > :29:29.happened and nothing will happen for two years and not a single lot of
:29:30. > :29:38.peeled,. That does not look like leaving to me. Is it right to go on
:29:39. > :29:41.fairly odd minority issues, will that be helpful? Personally, that
:29:42. > :29:44.was a press conference that was planned a long time ago.
:29:45. > :29:49.Unfortunately it looked like we were leading the campaign on the burqa,
:29:50. > :29:56.but that was just an issue. You do not want to run as an anti-Islamic
:29:57. > :29:59.party? There are elements, it is a bad cultural integration. It is
:30:00. > :30:04.about defending rights under our laws and customs. That is what that
:30:05. > :30:08.is about and that is a part of a bigger package and made a mistake it
:30:09. > :30:13.was making it appear we were leading on it which we are not. One month
:30:14. > :30:19.ago you were writing that we should stop calling it Islam, we should
:30:20. > :30:24.return to what the West used to call it, it is a death cult, steeped in
:30:25. > :30:29.violence and bloodshed, perfectly rational fear of Islam. What part of
:30:30. > :30:33.those factual statements would people argue with? I guess voters
:30:34. > :30:38.are arguing with it, they heard you say that and you have only got one
:30:39. > :30:44.re-elected counsellor at night. I do not think, they did not vote for our
:30:45. > :30:47.councillors because of that. I think the reason we lost is because so
:30:48. > :30:51.many people actually do think that our job is done and think that
:30:52. > :30:52.Theresa May will deliver. Our job is not done and Theresa May will not
:30:53. > :31:02.deliver. You said he probably needs a rest? I
:31:03. > :31:11.didn't say he was locked up in his house. You said that. He has run a
:31:12. > :31:15.campaign. The hard one is yet to come? More reason for him to have a
:31:16. > :31:19.rest on Friday night then. Is you don't have a problem with that? No,
:31:20. > :31:23.I don't. Paul works very hard. I see him work very hard all the time. I'm
:31:24. > :31:28.happy to do this and talk about where we're going on Brexit. It's
:31:29. > :31:35.not whether we see him, it's whether the public sees him. From today's
:31:36. > :31:38.result you would suggest there has been a failure to connect somewhere
:31:39. > :31:42.with the voters? You have seen people on there tonight saying that
:31:43. > :31:46.they think, you Ukip's job is done. That is because we were so
:31:47. > :31:49.successful in doing what we did in getting the referendum and winning
:31:50. > :31:54.the referendum. So many people who actually think that Theresa May is
:31:55. > :32:02.going to deliver this Brexit. She is not. If you look at what they plan
:32:03. > :32:08.to do, at the end of three years, after the referendum nothing will
:32:09. > :32:14.have changed. We have seen stories of 100 billion euros. Which I think
:32:15. > :32:22.was cooked up between Juncker and Mrs May. You are not sure who the
:32:23. > :32:27.voters trust? I'm not sure they trust anybody. They can trust Ukip
:32:28. > :32:33.because we have done what we said over the last 20 years. Thank you.
:32:34. > :32:35.Well, we have assembled a new political panel
:32:36. > :32:38.Paul Mason, Guardian columnist, is here, as is Ian Dale, LBC Radio
:32:39. > :32:40.presenter and Polly McKenzie, special advisor to
:32:41. > :32:45.Great to have you all here. Paul, this was an overwhelmingly good day
:32:46. > :32:49.for the Tories, wasn't it, you presumably concede it?
:32:50. > :32:55.Overwhelmingly good day for hard Brexit. We have seen dramatic events
:32:56. > :33:00.of substance. It's not been a week of flimflam. Theresa May picked a
:33:01. > :33:05.real fight with the European Union. Walked away dramatically - she did
:33:06. > :33:09.her own bit. Walked away and created a diplomatic situation which I think
:33:10. > :33:14.has drama advertised in the minds of former Ukip voters the whole
:33:15. > :33:19.situation. We have an alliance of Tories and Ukip. That is new. That
:33:20. > :33:23.can win any election it wants to. Aggressive alliance isn't going to
:33:24. > :33:32.work? It he redoubles the need for that half of British politics that
:33:33. > :33:35.believes in progressive politician, globalalism, we need to stop
:33:36. > :33:40.fighting each other. We need to work out, it's entirely possible, how we
:33:41. > :33:47.can stop that Tory Ukip alliance taking Britain off the cliff edge
:33:48. > :33:51.into an economic catastrophe. Into WTO rules which isn't a cliff edge.
:33:52. > :33:55.Let's see the Tory manifesto calling for it. That's the - into nobody is
:33:56. > :33:59.saying that they want to go down that direction. It's not the
:34:00. > :34:02.disaster that people try to present it as. It's the way we trade with
:34:03. > :34:08.the rest of the world, as you well know. Ian, if you are right and if
:34:09. > :34:13.this is going to direct towards a big majority in a month's time. This
:34:14. > :34:17.is the chance for her to do a radical manifesto, isn't it? She can
:34:18. > :34:24.push through anything she wanted. Will she? I don't think she will.
:34:25. > :34:28.She has been a cautious politicians. Over the past few weeks she proved
:34:29. > :34:32.to be anything but a cautious politicians. First of all by calling
:34:33. > :34:36.the election. Second of all, doing the speech on Tuesday and Wednesday
:34:37. > :34:40.in Downing Street where she took the fight to the European Commission.
:34:41. > :34:45.Paul is right. I think it did have quite an effect. There is talk of a
:34:46. > :34:48.Tory Ukip alliance. I understand why Paul says that that. It's the
:34:49. > :34:56.Conservatives trying to win back the Ukip votes they have lost over the
:34:57. > :35:02.last 25 years? It's not an alliance Doctor Who alien they absorbed Ukip
:35:03. > :35:05.voters. That's what parties do. The Labour Party sometimes, sounds like,
:35:06. > :35:10.it doesn't want anybody who ever voted Tory to vote for it because
:35:11. > :35:14.they are toxic. Where is the remain vote then? It's not going to the Lib
:35:15. > :35:18.Dems. There hasn't been the resurgence that you were expecting.
:35:19. > :35:22.Where are the remainers in this? It's been, no question, disaint
:35:23. > :35:26.poking night for the Lib Dems and who would have hoped to do better.
:35:27. > :35:30.Specially in the leave areas it's proved it's not possible to just,
:35:31. > :35:35.sort of, win back areas that the Lib Dems had once before. In remain
:35:36. > :35:39.areas where the Lib Dems have a presence there have been points of
:35:40. > :35:43.light, good results for the Lib Dems. Paul is basically right. I
:35:44. > :35:49.don't think I've ever said that before. We need to find a way. None
:35:50. > :35:53.of the parties of the left have anything to challenge Theresa May
:35:54. > :35:58.her popularity, her poise. Something about her people like. Something
:35:59. > :36:02.needs to change. If she's ever going to stop being Prime I have staunch
:36:03. > :36:05.Minister. Labour voters ringing in saying - I voted Labour every
:36:06. > :36:09.election I could do. There's something about Theresa May I like.
:36:10. > :36:14.When I asked them what it is, they can't explain what it is. I think
:36:15. > :36:18.that's a very interesting phenomenon. List of foreign workers
:36:19. > :36:27.who we are going to expel from the British workforce. Please. That
:36:28. > :36:32.played well among racist voters. Amber Rudd, Theresa May the Tory
:36:33. > :36:37.Conference was a racist horse and pony show. This is why Labour can't
:36:38. > :36:41.make progress. We can stop it. Labour has to change one thing. In
:36:42. > :36:47.four weeks? Absolutely. It needs to talk about Brexit. The one thing
:36:48. > :36:50.Labour is doing wrong, YouGov showed all party voters the number one
:36:51. > :36:58.issue for them is Brexit. For most of them the number two issues is
:36:59. > :37:05.immigration. You are saying Corbyn and McDonnell should stop talk of
:37:06. > :37:11.NHS - They should reframe it what Britain you want after Brexit. When
:37:12. > :37:15.Theresa May maded that speech the instinct of the Labour machine was,
:37:16. > :37:19.don't talk about it, don't respond. It's about something we haven't
:37:20. > :37:23.really - an issue we don't own. They needed to own that issue. Labour are
:37:24. > :37:27.deeply split on whether we should be leaving at all and exactly what kind
:37:28. > :37:32.of approach you should have. Whether it's a free market or socialist
:37:33. > :37:37.approach? Let me answer. Today proves that any attempt to win back
:37:38. > :37:43.that part of the electorate that is pro-Brexit is a fool's errand for
:37:44. > :37:48.Labour. Manchester, Andy Burnham won in almost every ward. Manchester is
:37:49. > :37:52.full of Tories. Plenty of Tories, skilled workers and middle-class
:37:53. > :37:56.people. Appealing to the inner soul of progress i politics Burnham did
:37:57. > :38:02.well. He walked away from Jeremy Corbyn tonight. They want a
:38:03. > :38:06.traditional, simple message. That that is what Sion Simon said.
:38:07. > :38:11.Patriotism, hard work, law and order. Is that where the Labour vote
:38:12. > :38:17.is? No. I don't buy that. You called part of the Tory vote Rayses. I'm
:38:18. > :38:21.sorry. Amber Rudd and Theresa May at their conference wanted us to make
:38:22. > :38:26.list of foreign workers. They were your voters before they went to Ukip
:38:27. > :38:31.and the Tories. The Labour movement. , the Labour Party is a line drawn
:38:32. > :38:36.through working-class communities, between people who support globalism
:38:37. > :38:41.and internationalism and anti-racism and people who don't. It always
:38:42. > :38:48.existed. We will fight this battle in favour of our principles. The
:38:49. > :38:52.problem is - The challenge - And the Greens and the SNP should be on the
:38:53. > :38:56.same side. If you have got these blue collar workers, people who
:38:57. > :39:00.voted Brexit, who were left behind, who saw wages stagnant she has to
:39:01. > :39:03.deliver for thoem them, not just about Brexit, it may not Sol all the
:39:04. > :39:07.problems, about everything pels their life? Of course. Everyone
:39:08. > :39:09.wants politicians to deliver. The reason Jeremy Corbyn isn't
:39:10. > :39:15.delivering at the moment is because he's not actually - he hasn't got a
:39:16. > :39:18.positive vision. We hear doom and gloom about poverty and the rest of
:39:19. > :39:23.it. There are problems in society, I get that. If you are a politician
:39:24. > :39:28.that can't do what Tony Blair did in 1997 offer a positive vision, the
:39:29. > :39:31.sunny uplands, to the aspirational middle-classes you are not going to
:39:32. > :39:39.win you can't just win appealing to people who have massive problems in
:39:40. > :39:42.their lives. Is Tim Farron the aspirational, sunny uplands
:39:43. > :39:49.candidate from the progressive alliance then? Tim is - has got a
:39:50. > :39:54.clear and coherent vision and a party unified behind it. Could you
:39:55. > :39:58.have an alliance with anyone else? The challenge for anyone wanting to
:39:59. > :40:03.form a political alliance is not wanting to draw lines and tell other
:40:04. > :40:06.people they are racist or patriotic or not patriotic. That is the
:40:07. > :40:10.challenge for anyone involved in politics who is naturally very
:40:11. > :40:15.tribal and wants to point out the differences. To be honest, I don't
:40:16. > :40:18.think there is anyone outside of the Conservative Party, doing a
:40:19. > :40:22.brilliant job of unionifying people who disagree with them, who isening
:40:23. > :40:27.maing to do that, looking beyond themselves and trying to
:40:28. > :40:32.collaborate. Back in history, all successful parties are coalitions.
:40:33. > :40:36.They build coalitions between people who believe in 60%, 70% of their
:40:37. > :40:41.platforms. Theresa May won't believe in 100% of the policy platform she
:40:42. > :40:46.puts forward. No-one does in their party. Reagan and Clinton appealed
:40:47. > :40:49.to people outside their own parties as did Thatcher and Blair. Jeremy
:40:50. > :40:53.Corbyn isn't doing that at the moment. Theresa May is the most
:40:54. > :41:01.successful politician at doing this. There is no aspiration when you look
:41:02. > :41:05.at Jeremy Corbyn? Absolutely not. A Labour spokesman said wait for the
:41:06. > :41:08.manifesto. We have to get the manifesto passed by a committee.
:41:09. > :41:11.That manifesto will be exactly what you want, aspirational, not just for
:41:12. > :41:16.poor people, for middle-class people. We heard no policies so far.
:41:17. > :41:20.All the policies - I would agree there's been a - 20 point plan
:41:21. > :41:27.earlier this week. What will come will be a four or five point plan
:41:28. > :41:31.that has to out drama the drama queen of Downing Street. I think it
:41:32. > :41:35.will. That's why I'm hoping hopeful we can stop a Tory Government. We
:41:36. > :41:39.have run out of time. Thank you all very much. Thank you for coming in.
:41:40. > :41:41.Well, what a pretty exciting day in politics, wasn't it?
:41:42. > :41:44.We wouldn't want you to take that adrenaline with you to bed.
:41:45. > :41:47.So we thought we'd send you off with a reading of something
:41:48. > :41:48.from the Boring Conference, being held tomorrow.
:41:49. > :41:51.A list of every sneeze one man has made since 2007.
:41:52. > :42:00.Birmingham, moderate - cropping an image with
:42:01. > :42:08.Birmingham, moderate - checking credit card
:42:09. > :42:22.Moderate to strong - detonating an Angry Bird.
:42:23. > :42:34.Moderate - reading Amazon reviews by, not about, James Ward.
:42:35. > :42:39.Moderate - vegetarian hotdog-style sandwich is prepared.
:42:40. > :43:03.There is going to be a lot more clouded sky in England and Wales for
:43:04. > :43:04.the first part of the weekend, the odd early shower