12/05/2017

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:00:00. > :00:00.A global cyber attack has disrupted NHS hospitals and GP surgeries

:00:07. > :00:10.in England and Scotland resulting in cancelled

:00:11. > :00:18.It replicates itself on one computer to the next and there's

:00:19. > :00:26.So who and what is behind the attack - and can they be stopped?

:00:27. > :00:32.Tonight a former hacker, a former GCHQ boss, and the Chair

:00:33. > :00:36.What's it like for one of the rising young stars of the Labour Party,

:00:37. > :00:41.who's not a Corbyn fan, selling the manifesto on the doorstep?

:00:42. > :00:44.I think it does make it easier when you have some

:00:45. > :00:48.clear lines in the sand between you and the other side.

:00:49. > :00:51.So yeah, I think it will make it easier, actually,

:00:52. > :00:57.Missing in general election action...

:00:58. > :01:00.We go in search of one of the most senior figures

:01:01. > :01:02.in Theresa May's Cabinet, to try to find out if

:01:03. > :01:12.Andrea Leadsom, Secretary of State for what used

:01:13. > :01:25.And - Caitlyn Jenner, who before she transitioned

:01:26. > :01:28.And - Caitlyn Jenner, who before she transitioned from Bruce,

:01:29. > :01:31.was feted as one of the most famous athletes in the world,

:01:32. > :01:32.talks about her long and difficult journey to womanhood.

:01:33. > :01:40.It takes a while, time, not two years in, to kind of leave Bruce

:01:41. > :01:46.behind, because he is still in there.

:01:47. > :01:50.Good evening - as we go on air the extent of the international

:01:51. > :01:52.ransomware cyber hack on 70 countries, which has struck NHS

:01:53. > :01:55.hospitals and GP surgeries in England and Scotland

:01:56. > :02:05.25 NHS Trusts in England and nine commissioning groups, and five

:02:06. > :02:08.NHS Trusts in Scotland have been affected.

:02:09. > :02:14.Several hospitals have announced that only patients requiring

:02:15. > :02:16.emergency treatment should attend A and some surgery

:02:17. > :02:21.Many Heathcare Trusts have switched off their IT systems which control

:02:22. > :02:24.everything from x-ray imaging systems, to pathology test results,

:02:25. > :02:26.phone and bleep systems, and patients' administrative

:02:27. > :02:30.Tonight the Prime Minister said the government was not aware of any

:02:31. > :02:33.evidence that patient data had been compromised.

:02:34. > :02:36.Well we're aware that a number of NHS organisations have reported

:02:37. > :02:43.that they've suffered from a ransomware attack.

:02:44. > :02:47.It's an international attack and a number

:02:48. > :02:49.of countries and organisations have been affected.

:02:50. > :02:53.The National Cyber Security Centre is working closely with NHS Digital

:02:54. > :02:55.to ensure that they support the organisations concerned and that

:02:56. > :03:03.Our technology editor David Grossman is with me now and has been

:03:04. > :03:07.following this story this evening...

:03:08. > :03:15.Just how deep are the tentacles of this ransomware? We know that it

:03:16. > :03:18.affects Windows operating systems by Microsoft. Over the Easter weekend,

:03:19. > :03:27.somebody dumped on the Internet on an obscure website tools to exploit

:03:28. > :03:31.former abilities. Who did it, we do not know. But rumours are swirling

:03:32. > :03:34.on the Internet that the tools were developed by the American National

:03:35. > :03:38.Security Agency. We know from Wikileaks they have those kinds of

:03:39. > :03:43.capabilities but we cannot verify whether tools came from or who use

:03:44. > :03:46.them. We know that somebody exploited the vulnerabilities that

:03:47. > :03:51.those tools exploited to attack a lot of organisations. They spread

:03:52. > :03:55.the malware around the Internet using ransomware. Microsoft say that

:03:56. > :04:01.all that was necessary for anyone to protect themselves was to use free

:04:02. > :04:05.antivirus software, and make sure operating systems were regularly

:04:06. > :04:10.updated. Microsoft issued the patches. The question is, why didn't

:04:11. > :04:14.the NHS do that, why were they vulnerable? Today we found out it

:04:15. > :04:17.seems the NHS is especially vulnerable because they've not been

:04:18. > :04:19.able to afford to update all of their systems. Some are so elderly

:04:20. > :04:21.they cannot be patched. Just as hospitals have had

:04:22. > :04:24.to urgently update their response to the threat of superbugs,

:04:25. > :04:26.so they are now having to consider their digital hygiene,

:04:27. > :04:28.how to stop machines getting infected and then, spreading

:04:29. > :04:35.a virus to others in the network. It kind of replicates

:04:36. > :04:40.itself from one computer to the next and there's

:04:41. > :04:43.really no stopping it, it spreads The NHS, it seems,

:04:44. > :04:45.was not specifically targeted but it has been

:04:46. > :04:47.particularly vulnerable. In terms of the NHS,

:04:48. > :04:49.there have been individual malware attacks on individual

:04:50. > :04:51.trusts over the last 18 months but this

:04:52. > :04:54.is the first time we've had 21 trusts

:04:55. > :04:58.who have been affected so it's affecting multiple trusts

:04:59. > :05:00.at the same time and This is the screen that appeared

:05:01. > :05:07.in hospitals and GP surgeries demanding a $300 ransom to unlock

:05:08. > :05:08.files and It meant cancelled

:05:09. > :05:15.operations and treatments. I had a cannula,

:05:16. > :05:19.I daren't show you... They had shaved, they

:05:20. > :05:21.were going to open me At half past one the surgeon

:05:22. > :05:38.turned up and said unfortunately we've been hacked

:05:39. > :05:41.and there's nothing we can do, What will be particularly

:05:42. > :05:44.alarming to ministers and officials at the

:05:45. > :05:45.Department of Health is how apparently simple

:05:46. > :05:47.this It doesn't seem to be the work

:05:48. > :05:50.of hacking geniuses, it's more the cyber equivalent

:05:51. > :05:53.of a street robbery - and yet it's managed

:05:54. > :05:58.to Someone, somewhere in the NHS

:05:59. > :06:04.system, it seems, opened an e-mail attachment or clicked on a link

:06:05. > :06:07.which let the malware in. This threat, though,

:06:08. > :06:08.has been known about for at least six weeks

:06:09. > :06:10.and security patches to protect against it

:06:11. > :06:11.have But it seems many NHS machines had

:06:12. > :06:15.not been updated and Krishna Guntupalli is an NHS

:06:16. > :06:18.doctor who has studied He wrote an article

:06:19. > :06:21.warning about the possibility of a major

:06:22. > :06:23.shutdown just two days wasn't talking about the hospital

:06:24. > :06:27.where he works, which is unaffected These operating systems

:06:28. > :06:30.tends to be quite old. So a study in January

:06:31. > :06:32.suggested that 90% of NHS trusts use Windows XP

:06:33. > :06:34.operating systems, which was released 15, 16 years

:06:35. > :06:36.ago by Microsoft and isn't being patched

:06:37. > :06:40.or fixed by Microsoft, and they've

:06:41. > :06:43.advised people to upgrade. The problem is, it's

:06:44. > :06:45.not the same as a In a health care organisation,

:06:46. > :06:50.you have proprietary That means unfortunately health care

:06:51. > :06:56.organisations may be some of the last to upgrade from old operating

:06:57. > :07:02.systems or programmes. That increases their

:07:03. > :07:05.vulnerabilities. That is what the hackers

:07:06. > :07:14.are exploiting. The solution is simple -

:07:15. > :07:16.but for cash-strapped NHS Not using out of date software,

:07:17. > :07:20.not using systems that are just too There's got to be

:07:21. > :07:24.something that's done. If you constantly use

:07:25. > :07:33.old technology that's been hacked easily, or can easily be

:07:34. > :07:35.compromised, you can This attack doesn't seem to have

:07:36. > :07:41.resulted in any data loss, but the kind of personal information

:07:42. > :07:44.that hospitals hold is really You can, after all,

:07:45. > :07:47.change your credit card number or your bank details quite easily -

:07:48. > :07:50.but you can't change your date First and foremost,

:07:51. > :07:57.we hold patient data. And this data is sensitive,

:07:58. > :07:59.including clinical information, All of this can be sold by hackers

:08:00. > :08:05.and we don't know exactly, but maybe about ten times as much

:08:06. > :08:12.as credit card information. In a statement, the NHS in England

:08:13. > :08:16.said that patients should continue using GP and hospital services

:08:17. > :08:19.while they need them but ask them to use them wisely

:08:20. > :08:22.while what they call this major Jake Davis is a reformed hacker,

:08:23. > :08:26.who found global infamy in 2011 as 'Topiary' -

:08:27. > :08:28.the face of the notorious He was convicted of hacking

:08:29. > :08:32.in 2013 and now works Professor Helen Stokes-Lampard

:08:33. > :08:36.is chair of the Royal College of GPs Council -

:08:37. > :08:40.and joining us from Bristol is Brian Lord, former GCHQ

:08:41. > :08:54.Deputy Director for Intelligence Good evening. First of all,

:08:55. > :08:58.Professor Stokes, what is the impact on services and what will it be over

:08:59. > :09:03.the next few days? So far we know quite a lot of GP services and

:09:04. > :09:07.hospital services have been shutdown in terms of IT systems but for those

:09:08. > :09:11.patients who need urgent care, doctors and patients were trained to

:09:12. > :09:14.look after patients before we had computers. We can still talk to them

:09:15. > :09:18.and examine them and make decisions on the basis of what we see and

:09:19. > :09:21.feel, not what the computers tell us. When you listen to David

:09:22. > :09:26.Grossman and the doctor there saying the scope of the hack, you have

:09:27. > :09:31.sensitive information on computers and a lot of these NHS computers are

:09:32. > :09:38.out of time? Yes, but they have been a good seven so far. The systems are

:09:39. > :09:41.backed up. The data is safe, it is there. But we have an absence of

:09:42. > :09:46.data in the short-term to help us deal with patients, putting them

:09:47. > :09:51.through the systems. It is going to be a bit disrupted. David Grossman

:09:52. > :09:56.there said that some of the NHS equipment is so elderly it cannot be

:09:57. > :10:00.patched so you will need new systems? Indeed, and ourselves and

:10:01. > :10:05.other colleges have called for serious infrastructure investment

:10:06. > :10:12.for a long time. It's overdue. GCHQ's position, everyone is calling

:10:13. > :10:17.for all sorts of ways to fix this tonight, who is at work here?

:10:18. > :10:22.Firstly, there will be two time so -- types of response. GCHQ and the

:10:23. > :10:27.National Crime Agency are looking at the crime itself, then you have

:10:28. > :10:36.cyber Security centres working with NHS Digital to work out how they can

:10:37. > :10:38.resolve the issue. This is the next step up for international organised

:10:39. > :10:43.crime. International organised crime began with low-level theft and

:10:44. > :10:48.low-level use of ransomware. By and large they have contracted it out

:10:49. > :10:52.and are now moving to larger scale, far more sustained and coordinated

:10:53. > :10:58.efforts, whether it is getting inside the infrastructure of banks

:10:59. > :11:02.or, as we can see here, a well timed and well co-ordinated delivery of a

:11:03. > :11:07.simple tool, but delivered at mass scale into vulnerable areas. The

:11:08. > :11:14.vulnerable area is the NHS. As far as we know it's not in areas, like

:11:15. > :11:22.banks or operating systems for the NEG industry, it is only the NHS? --

:11:23. > :11:28.energy industry. The NHS is especially vulnerable due to the old

:11:29. > :11:33.nature of its IT systems, and also because it is very complex with

:11:34. > :11:37.interconnectivity between surgeries, trusts, boards, and so on.

:11:38. > :11:42.Consequently, there is an awful lot of openings for delivery of this

:11:43. > :11:47.kind of basic malware. Jake Davis, you have been a hacker in the past,

:11:48. > :11:52.what do you think is going on? I think what is terrifying is how

:11:53. > :11:57.simple it is. The kind of attack and ransomware that was deployed, it may

:11:58. > :12:00.have been a sophisticated criminal organisation or just some kid that

:12:01. > :12:06.hit a go button and a worm has spread. They've woken up and gone, I

:12:07. > :12:12.have 50,000 computers... It wasn't only the NHS, they were hit

:12:13. > :12:17.completely by accident, Telefonica as well... Yes, in 70 different

:12:18. > :12:21.countries. They are putting at this ransomware, paid $300... Do people

:12:22. > :12:27.pay up? In this ransomware there is a Bitcoin address to pay the ransom.

:12:28. > :12:35.We've seen a few been paid through it. So it is working? Yes, it

:12:36. > :12:40.encrypts the files. You've been on the other side of the law? You

:12:41. > :12:49.agree? Yes. Those who are incredibly what I'll -- well-connected, are you

:12:50. > :12:51.working to sort this? Yes, I have spoken to security researchers,

:12:52. > :12:56.talented people as to why it exists and what is to be patched to stop it

:12:57. > :13:01.in future. How long in your view will this infection go on? In order

:13:02. > :13:06.to fix it, you just need to update one thing. It is a simple patch that

:13:07. > :13:11.was released by Microsoft two months ago. It works because systems have

:13:12. > :13:14.not patched it. It isn't the problem here that it may be relatively

:13:15. > :13:18.simple and, as far as we know, reasonably benign will stop

:13:19. > :13:26.reasonably benign. It isn't the problem that we see that one simple

:13:27. > :13:31.button press by an organisation that perhaps has really nefarious reasons

:13:32. > :13:37.for doing it could be very dangerous for the world? Yes, it can, in

:13:38. > :13:41.certain circumstances. What is interesting about what happened

:13:42. > :13:46.here, there's been a double whammy. Firstly, you have the ability of

:13:47. > :13:50.ransomware to propagate itself or the system but also, because of the

:13:51. > :13:54.nature of the NHS and probably within the NHS, not a full

:13:55. > :13:57.understanding of exactly how they are configured, they've had to take

:13:58. > :14:03.down just about everything because of their dependence upon IT. It is

:14:04. > :14:06.the response to the ransomware, as well as that infection, which has

:14:07. > :14:16.almost bought a National Service to its knees. I think that is probably

:14:17. > :14:21.impossible to replicate in other sectors. What is the chance of

:14:22. > :14:26.catching them? I think the chances of catching them are probably very

:14:27. > :14:31.slim in the short to medium-term future. Thank you very much indeed.

:14:32. > :14:33.This was the week when Labour's 45 page draft manifesto was leaked

:14:34. > :14:36.and Jeremy Corbyn was accused of taking the party back

:14:37. > :14:40.The manifesto is now set in stone, though not formally published -

:14:41. > :14:43.so how is it playing on the doorsteps, particularly

:14:44. > :14:45.where the Labour candidate has been openly and repeatedly critical

:14:46. > :14:48.Emily spent the day in Birmingham Yardley constituency where,

:14:49. > :14:50.to say that Jess Phillips is outspoken, is

:14:51. > :15:02.Look for the beating heart of Birmingham Yardley on Friday

:15:03. > :15:04.evening and you'll end up here, a Muslim barbers named

:15:05. > :15:07.after Italian mobsters, where they come in droves on payday.

:15:08. > :15:13.Friday prayer and straight to the barbers for my weekly haircut

:15:14. > :15:19.The business is as old as the last Parliament, set up two short years

:15:20. > :15:22.ago by brothers who tell me they work a seven-day week.

:15:23. > :15:31.They come for razor cuts, skin fades and eyebrow threading,

:15:32. > :15:40.They're local boys, who work mostly in Birmingham's car industry

:15:41. > :15:43.- and I want to know if next month's election is on their mind.

:15:44. > :15:46.Normally a voter, yeah, normally Labour.

:15:47. > :15:47.But obviously, things are changing now.

:15:48. > :15:50.Whatever suits my needs, that's what I'm going to go with now.

:15:51. > :15:52.What do you mean, things are changing?

:15:53. > :15:56.Moneywise, you're working, you've got to look at your family

:15:57. > :16:00.Whatever the best deal is for your family.

:16:01. > :16:02.So might it be Conservative this time round?

:16:03. > :16:13.I tend to go with the majority - my peers, my close relations,

:16:14. > :16:16.I tend to go along with that at times.

:16:17. > :16:20.Do you get the sense that a lot of people are voting this time

:16:21. > :16:24.I don't think a lot of the youth out there is interested.

:16:25. > :16:27.This time it feels like more of the election enthusiasm

:16:28. > :16:32.on the doorstep comes from its canine community.

:16:33. > :16:36.But this is a battle ground seat in more ways than one.

:16:37. > :16:40.A surprise gain for Labour in 2015 from the imploding Lib Dems,

:16:41. > :16:43.the two candidates face each other again in a fight both

:16:44. > :16:49.This bit is one of the more affluent bits of my constituency.

:16:50. > :16:51.We've come to find Jess Phillips, a self-styled everywoman,

:16:52. > :17:00.Did you vote Labour in the last general election?

:17:01. > :17:02.Don't worry, I won't be offended if you didn't vote.

:17:03. > :17:09.Will you be getting out to vote on June the 8th?

:17:10. > :17:17.I've generally always voted for the Labour Party.

:17:18. > :17:19.She's no fan of her leader, Jeremy Corbyn, but I wonder

:17:20. > :17:21.if Labour's leaked manifesto has given her ammunition

:17:22. > :17:26.I think it does make it easier when you have some

:17:27. > :17:35.clear line in the sand between you and the other side.

:17:36. > :17:38.So yeah, I think it will make it easier, actually,

:17:39. > :17:41.There is no doubt about it that people feel that,

:17:42. > :17:44.whilst they may have voted Labour in the past, they are not

:17:45. > :17:50.Because, as you said, there's a shopping list of policies now,

:17:51. > :17:55.they are pretty attractive to a lot of people.

:17:56. > :17:57.Actually I think they probably will be a bit more sure

:17:58. > :17:59.after the manifesto, if it reaches them.

:18:00. > :18:03.Actually what is in the manifesto, aside from some of the stuff around

:18:04. > :18:06.nationalising things, it really is the kind of thing that

:18:07. > :18:11.How do you make sense, then, and we're trying

:18:12. > :18:13.to make sense of this, that when Jeremy Corbyn goes

:18:14. > :18:16.into the country he has these amazing crowds,

:18:17. > :18:19.there is noise and excitement and enthusiasm, and the polls

:18:20. > :18:27.I think it is a potentially dangerous thing for him

:18:28. > :18:29.because if you have a feedback loop that is always kind to you,

:18:30. > :18:32.you might not be getting the real sense of the picture.

:18:33. > :18:35.Theresa May is guilty of this as well at the moment,

:18:36. > :18:37.I think she's closing herself off and only allowing the

:18:38. > :18:43.This isn't Jeremy Corbyn's problem alone.

:18:44. > :18:48.Her Lib Dem opponent in this seat, the MP before her, is John Hemming.

:18:49. > :18:50.The Lib Dems are really hoping for a resurgence this time round.

:18:51. > :18:57.I wouldn't say it's going massively well but in Yardley it's going well.

:18:58. > :19:03.I don't know about other places because it's difficult to tell.

:19:04. > :19:06.When I'm talking to people on the doorstep it's very

:19:07. > :19:09.The Conservative Party candidate is duly elected.

:19:10. > :19:12.And what was once a two horse race has just been re-energised

:19:13. > :19:18.Last week I was elected across all of the West Midlands as the mayor,

:19:19. > :19:21.as a Conservative candidate and I think something very

:19:22. > :19:23.significant happened last week because people said,

:19:24. > :19:25.let's think about whether our traditional loyalty

:19:26. > :19:30.to the Labour Party really has delivered for us.

:19:31. > :19:36.A month from today the political map will be re-drawn.

:19:37. > :19:38.The bubble may talk of landslides and resurrection, crushing defeat

:19:39. > :19:41.or party splits but much of the country will simply carry

:19:42. > :19:53.on and do what they do on any other Friday night.

:19:54. > :19:56.And here is a full list of candidates who are running for

:19:57. > :20:01.election in the Birmingham Yardley constituency.

:20:02. > :20:04.Well the Labour manifesto leak meant this last week wasn't quite

:20:05. > :20:08.what we had been expecting for the election campaign.

:20:09. > :20:10.Four weeks tonight we'll be digesting the results -

:20:11. > :20:14.so let's touch in with our regular panel of experts and assess

:20:15. > :20:21.I'm joined by Camilla Cavendish, who was Head of Policy at Number Ten

:20:22. > :20:23.under David Cameron's premiership and the author, journalist

:20:24. > :20:31.Good evening to you both. Listening to Jess Phillips, quite an

:20:32. > :20:34.interesting tactic, however this manifesto draft was leaked, it gave

:20:35. > :20:39.the candidates something to speak about that wasn't Corbyn. I think

:20:40. > :20:43.that's probably right. She said that there is a dividing line between the

:20:44. > :20:52.parties, well, boy, there is now! The question is, will the country go

:20:53. > :20:56.for a prospectus that is a throwback to the 70s, huge and costed

:20:57. > :21:01.promises? I don't think the country will go for it. Theresa May, rather

:21:02. > :21:04.than talking about the manifesto, which she won't do, she is sticking

:21:05. > :21:09.with Corbyn and today she said that Corbyn has abandoned patriotic

:21:10. > :21:15.working-class voters. She doesn't have any truck with the manifesto.

:21:16. > :21:19.Let's talk about the manifesto because for us it was fortuitous, it

:21:20. > :21:25.created drama in the election and content. Exactly. We haven't had

:21:26. > :21:31.much. People say that it is a throwback to the 70s, so many voters

:21:32. > :21:36.are of my age, mid-50s and above, many of them would look at the 60s

:21:37. > :21:40.and 70s as a good period. Yes but you need the younger voters who

:21:41. > :21:45.aren't voting. I couldn't wait to get out and say, we will give you a

:21:46. > :21:48.free university education, like I had in the 70s that enabled my

:21:49. > :21:55.generation to have such great social mobility. They understand that. But

:21:56. > :22:00.who will pay for it? I wouldn't worry about the uncosted nature. I

:22:01. > :22:05.know the team working on the costings, they've been over it

:22:06. > :22:09.several times. The tag line that is sensible, what is the economic

:22:10. > :22:14.impact of taking up so much tax? The tax will be collected. The leak was

:22:15. > :22:18.interesting because it added drama. Was it the moderates trying to

:22:19. > :22:23.change it or was it the left saying it is better than Corbyn delivering

:22:24. > :22:27.it? I suspected it was the left but I'm pretty confident that it was

:22:28. > :22:35.Jeremy Corbyn's enemies. Some popular measures, let's have 6

:22:36. > :22:39.billion a year for education, 6 billion a year for the NHS by the

:22:40. > :22:48.end of the Parliament, let's have note to wish and fees. Some things

:22:49. > :22:51.struck a chord -- tuition fees. Usually there are some interesting

:22:52. > :22:55.things in the manifesto and there are a couple of things which are

:22:56. > :22:59.actually quite sensible. Abolishing the idea of quarterly returns for

:23:00. > :23:03.small businesses, hooray. Nationalising the railways, a lot of

:23:04. > :23:06.people who are trying to get an Southern Rail and haven't been able

:23:07. > :23:12.to get to work know that there is something wrong. In London. The East

:23:13. > :23:18.Coast Main Line was nationalised and has worked well. Network Rail is

:23:19. > :23:20.nationalised but you have private franchises so it's not entirely

:23:21. > :23:29.crazy but the totality of it doesn't add up. What Theresa May said at the

:23:30. > :23:32.beginning of the week, she would stick to the idea of limited

:23:33. > :23:37.immigration in the tens of thousands, Jeremy Corbyn has said

:23:38. > :23:40.little at all about it. Was she right to announce that? They've

:23:41. > :23:45.never managed to do it. It didn't surprise me that she has stuck to

:23:46. > :23:49.it. I think she believes that you must have a stretch target and I

:23:50. > :24:00.think she believes... Willemse deliver it? That's a good question

:24:01. > :24:04.-- will see deliver it? She kept the students in the target which is

:24:05. > :24:08.going to make it much harder. On the other hand Jeremy Corbyn says

:24:09. > :24:13.nothing much about immigration which is going to go down badly with the

:24:14. > :24:16.Ukip voters that he wants to get. Labour have been pitched as not

:24:17. > :24:20.Ukip. Some Labour voters voted for Ukip last time round. They will

:24:21. > :24:26.appeal to the centre in politics that they want to commit, that they

:24:27. > :24:35.have a the main and stable solution to what the country becomes after

:24:36. > :24:39.Brexit -- humane. Companies are saying to them, there won't be any

:24:40. > :24:44.fewer migrants after Brexit because we can't function without them. I

:24:45. > :24:48.think Theresa May keeping the tens of thousands target is interesting

:24:49. > :24:51.because you could have slipped the students out of it, making it more

:24:52. > :24:57.achievable but she missed it every other time so why should she hit it

:24:58. > :25:00.now? Jeremy Corbyn must say something about immigration because

:25:01. > :25:06.in those 45 pages there was virtually nothing. The point about

:25:07. > :25:12.what is there, it is an offer to people to say that we can solve a

:25:13. > :25:17.lot of what your problems seem to be by very radical measures which

:25:18. > :25:24.redistribution wealth and empower you at work. When you talk to

:25:25. > :25:26.working-class people about migrants and immigration you find very few

:25:27. > :25:31.Mac who claim to dislike the migrants themselves. Therefore it is

:25:32. > :25:36.a different kind of xenophobia that we're dealing with. You can deal

:25:37. > :25:40.with it with radical economic offers to people who believe they have been

:25:41. > :25:44.given nothing by the present system. But it is work that is missing from

:25:45. > :25:50.the manifesto, how are we going to create the jobs? There are plenty of

:25:51. > :25:55.jobs. Where is the prospectus for skills? They are the questions.

:25:56. > :25:56.Luckily we have four more weeks to answer some of these questions!

:25:57. > :25:58.Thank you for joining us. In a general election campaign it's

:25:59. > :26:01.normal for the political parties to put their big guns out around

:26:02. > :26:05.the country and there are no bigger guns for the Conservatives

:26:06. > :26:07.than the Prime Minister But a significant number of these

:26:08. > :26:10.souls have been all but silent, causing some to wonder whether this

:26:11. > :26:13.campaign is one of the most carefully controlled

:26:14. > :26:16.and sanitised we've seen. One of those who appears to have

:26:17. > :26:19.gone missing in action is Environment Secretary Andrea

:26:20. > :26:24.Leadsom. You might have expected to have

:26:25. > :26:28.seen her on national TV recently - especially as the Tories

:26:29. > :26:30.announced their anti-pollution But no, Andrea Leadsom seems

:26:31. > :26:34.to be the nowhere woman. There's an election on and senior

:26:35. > :26:46.Tories are in short supply but one And the Conservative Energy

:26:47. > :26:58.Minister, Andrea Leadsom. Less than a year ago,

:26:59. > :27:00.the Brexiteer wowed Wembley. We should take back control and look

:27:01. > :27:03.after our own society. Andrea was all over the airwaves,

:27:04. > :27:05.running but losing Leadsom was catapulted

:27:06. > :27:11.into the Cabinet but once On big days for her Environment

:27:12. > :27:18.Department, like last week when it was in the firing line over

:27:19. > :27:21.diesel pollution, she The Tory machine told us

:27:22. > :27:26.the Prime Minister's former We contacted Andrea's

:27:27. > :27:31.agent repeatedly. Conservative Central Office

:27:32. > :27:53.won't tell us where she is. So I tracked down the address

:27:54. > :27:56.of her local Conservative club One of my team of researchers

:27:57. > :28:09.rings me and it's a hot lead. Andrea Leadsom has just tweeted,

:28:10. > :28:12."On my way to Cornwall to support some Tory MPs.

:28:13. > :28:14.Lots of singing in the car." Our problem, we are

:28:15. > :28:17.in Northamptonshire. So, why are we following

:28:18. > :28:28.Andrea Leadsom to the edge You could say we're mucking

:28:29. > :28:34.about and there is an element of truth in that, but

:28:35. > :28:38.also the other thing. This general election has the feel

:28:39. > :28:42.of the most controlled, stage-managed and yes,

:28:43. > :28:47.boring election ever. And that can't be good

:28:48. > :28:53.for our democratic system. In the morning it begins

:28:54. > :28:55.to dawn on me just how She's in Cornwall,

:28:56. > :29:01.but I have no idea where. Andrea Leadsom, Secretary

:29:02. > :29:09.of State for what used To be frank with you,

:29:10. > :29:20.I don't think she's here. So, we're trying to get in touch

:29:21. > :29:24.with a guy called Luke, who we think We've phoned him several times

:29:25. > :29:35.and he's never phoned us back. I'm not saying the hunt for Andrea

:29:36. > :29:39.is getting desperate, but the hunt for Andrea

:29:40. > :29:42.is getting desperate. We've had a tip-off that

:29:43. > :29:50.Andrea Leadsom is on a farm, talking to farmers just

:29:51. > :29:55.here up the road. It's private property

:29:56. > :29:58.so we can't film on it. I'm going to get out the van and see

:29:59. > :30:05.if I can talk to her. The lady in the farmhouse said,

:30:06. > :30:14.she's been and gone. It's now 25 past, so we

:30:15. > :30:18.only just missed her. The search for Andrea

:30:19. > :30:20.Leadsom continues. You may know John Sweeney

:30:21. > :30:24.from the BBC... At wits end, time for a where's

:30:25. > :30:27.Andrea appeal on local radio. One listener rings in to tell us

:30:28. > :30:35.she's been spotted in Penzance. She's even tweeted a picture

:30:36. > :30:38.of herself campaigning by the sea, Look at the detail in

:30:39. > :30:47.the back of the picture. There's Saint Michael's Mount,

:30:48. > :30:51.there's the red boat. It's exciting to think that

:30:52. > :30:53.Andrea Leadsom stood on this very spot, but the truth is,

:30:54. > :30:55.we've missed her. But then, just as we

:30:56. > :30:58.were about to leave, So, Andrea Leadsom is playing

:30:59. > :31:10.cat and mouse with us. I tweeted at her,

:31:11. > :31:15.where's Andrea Leadsom? And she's just tweeted

:31:16. > :31:17.a picture of some woods. We want to interview her,

:31:18. > :31:21.we want to ask questions, there's a general election,

:31:22. > :31:23.she's a cabinet minister. It could be any woods in the whole

:31:24. > :31:31.of the West Country. Was the tweet a sly wink from her,

:31:32. > :31:37.that she's been told to stay shtum? I'm from BBC Newsnight,

:31:38. > :31:40.have you seen Andrea Leadsom? She was in Penzance

:31:41. > :31:43.to talk to fishermen. Sadly we couldn't find

:31:44. > :31:46.any who'd met her. We've grown used to the idea

:31:47. > :31:50.of message discipline since New Labour and its pager

:31:51. > :31:59.culture but disappearing ministers, that seems a whole new level

:32:00. > :32:01.of control freakery. And as for the missing

:32:02. > :32:02.woman herself? We tried our hardest

:32:03. > :32:04.but Andrea Leadsom was, Inspector Sweeney there.

:32:05. > :32:10.the one that got away. And we'll be despatching him to hunt

:32:11. > :32:13.for missing politicians from other We did ask Tory Central Office

:32:14. > :32:19.if they'd told Leadsom and others not to speak to Newsnight

:32:20. > :32:21.during the campaign Caitlyn Jenner was the archetypal

:32:22. > :32:32.American jock, one of the United States most famous

:32:33. > :32:34.and revered athletes who, as Bruce Jenner, took

:32:35. > :32:36.Olympic Gold in the Decathlon at Montreal in 1976,

:32:37. > :32:40.and broke the world record. Fast forward almost 40

:32:41. > :32:45.years, and the star, part of the Keeping Up

:32:46. > :32:48.with the Kardashians reality TV extravaganza

:32:49. > :32:50.as husband of Kris Kardashian, revealed that they had

:32:51. > :32:51.separated and subsequently Caitlyn had known since teenage

:32:52. > :33:05.years that she wanted to be a woman but there were three marriages

:33:06. > :33:08.and ten children and step In 2015, she went public

:33:09. > :33:12.with her new life in a spectacularly glamorous way, and in January this

:33:13. > :33:15.year she completed her sex Now in her new book 'The Secrets

:33:16. > :33:27.of My Life', she has told the story of her long and difficult journey

:33:28. > :33:29.from Bruce to Caitlyn. At the heart of this

:33:30. > :33:33.book, I think there's an overwhelming sadness,

:33:34. > :33:36.in a way, in a sense you had to live so much of your life outwardly

:33:37. > :33:39.to the world as if everything is fine, and yet there is been this

:33:40. > :33:42.incredible subterfuge though that actually you can have

:33:43. > :33:44.all the adulation outside but what matters to you is 20

:33:45. > :33:48.minutes where you can secretly be That was a constant struggle

:33:49. > :33:55.and even after the games, many years ago, I remembered

:33:56. > :34:00.the next morning getting up and looking in the mirror

:34:01. > :34:03.and putting the gold medal around my neck, didn't

:34:04. > :34:08.have a stitch of clothes on, looking in the mirror and I thought,

:34:09. > :34:15.oh my God, did I build up such a character here that I'm stuck

:34:16. > :34:19.with him for the rest of my life? Because that's not me,

:34:20. > :34:22.it's not who I am. You talk about a moment when you are

:34:23. > :34:30.about to have an operation to reduce your Adam's apple and it

:34:31. > :34:32.got out, it might have You felt very low and I wonder,

:34:33. > :34:39.did you feel suicidal? I was home, walking up and down,

:34:40. > :34:43.3am in the morning, walking up and down the hallway of my house

:34:44. > :34:46.and knowing that this is probably And honestly at that point I didn't

:34:47. > :34:51.really want to deal with it because I knew the paparazzi

:34:52. > :34:54.would be going crazy on me, And I thought, you know,

:34:55. > :35:08.the easy thing is to go in the other room and end it right here, end

:35:09. > :35:14.the story right here, and I don't That and my conversation with God

:35:15. > :35:19.were the turning points. The next day I thought,

:35:20. > :35:22.wasn't that stupid, thinking Germaine Greer put her foot

:35:23. > :35:27.into this controversy, she'd been in it before

:35:28. > :35:36.but she put her foot in this controversy last year

:35:37. > :35:38.on Australian television, that a man who has lived for 40

:35:39. > :35:44.years as a man and has had children, it's not fair for the man to decide

:35:45. > :35:47.that he is a woman." I can see that and I respect that

:35:48. > :35:50.opinion and you're absolutely right, I will never bear children,

:35:51. > :35:53.I have a lot of children And yeah, but that doesn't make me

:35:54. > :36:02.any less of who I was. This woman living inside me has

:36:03. > :36:05.been there all my life, it's time to let her live,

:36:06. > :36:08.it's time to give her a chance. To be honest with you,

:36:09. > :36:11.Bruce did everything Bruce could do. Honestly, that was more

:36:12. > :36:22.difficult, to come out You're also a supporter

:36:23. > :36:33.of Donald Trump and at first, he said, during the campaign, he

:36:34. > :36:36.supported the idea that LGBTQ people could use, for example,

:36:37. > :36:38.the rest rooms that they wished, Is that the kind of thing

:36:39. > :36:44.you should be campaigning on? People say that I'm

:36:45. > :36:52.a supporter of Donald Trump. No, I like the Republican

:36:53. > :36:56.party because I believe in limited government,

:36:57. > :36:58.I believe in the people of this If we're going to get out of this

:36:59. > :37:17.mess that we are in, it's going to be the people,

:37:18. > :37:19.not the government, was our candidate so I'm

:37:20. > :37:22.going to vote for him, I thought he would be pretty good

:37:23. > :37:28.when it comes to LGBT issues. I talked to him in the campaign

:37:29. > :37:31.and he put out some federal guidelines which I think

:37:32. > :37:33.is important when it comes to dealing with LGBT

:37:34. > :37:35.issues and trans issues. I was tweeting about it,

:37:36. > :37:39.I went public about it. He wants me to play golf with him

:37:40. > :37:48.but I can't, because I'd be But isn't that the best way to get

:37:49. > :37:53.to him, on the golf course? From my standpoint, I would spend

:37:54. > :37:57.four hours with him and say, Inwardly, do you allow yourself

:37:58. > :38:11.to feel it or has it always been You talk about having

:38:12. > :38:14.the soul of a woman. Have you changed in any

:38:15. > :38:16.way, do you think? I've been able to see the world

:38:17. > :38:21.from the other side. It takes a while, time, not two

:38:22. > :38:33.years in, to leave Bruce behind. Do you think there's a more

:38:34. > :38:46.nurturing side of you that's allowed to come out now, or have

:38:47. > :38:48.you always been like that? I've always had a nurturing side

:38:49. > :38:51.to meet but definitely I had my 11th grandchild

:38:52. > :39:02.the other day. You know what's cool

:39:03. > :39:05.about grandchildren? My relationships

:39:06. > :39:09.with all of my family, very close friends, in most cases

:39:10. > :39:13.has gotten better. I don't have all of

:39:14. > :39:16.the turmoil inside of me, Caitlyn Jenner, thank

:39:17. > :39:27.you very much indeed. Before we go, Britain's

:39:28. > :39:29.oldest swimming pool - Victoria Baths in Manchester -

:39:30. > :39:31.will be open for swimming for the first time in

:39:32. > :39:34.24 years this Sunday. The 101-year-old baths fell

:39:35. > :39:36.into disrepair in the 90s, but after winning the BBC's

:39:37. > :39:38.Restoration competition in 2003, they are slowly

:39:39. > :39:41.on the way back to life. They will open for one day only,

:39:42. > :39:44.but organisers hope the money raised from the event will allow them

:39:45. > :39:46.to complete the restoration. Here's a look at

:39:47. > :39:48.Manchester's so-called as the fishermen like to say,

:39:49. > :40:46.the one that got away. Hello. A weekend of sunny spells and

:40:47. > :40:49.showers but not in equal measure. On Saturday, the south-east of England

:40:50. > :40:54.will do well in terms of staying dry with some sunshine. Some showers but

:40:55. > :40:55.you're much more likely to see them in the north and