:00:00. > :00:00.A global cyber attack has disrupted NHS hospitals and GP surgeries
:00:07. > :00:10.in England and Scotland resulting in cancelled
:00:11. > :00:18.It replicates itself on one computer to the next and there's
:00:19. > :00:26.So who and what is behind the attack - and can they be stopped?
:00:27. > :00:32.Tonight a former hacker, a former GCHQ boss, and the Chair
:00:33. > :00:36.What's it like for one of the rising young stars of the Labour Party,
:00:37. > :00:41.who's not a Corbyn fan, selling the manifesto on the doorstep?
:00:42. > :00:44.I think it does make it easier when you have some
:00:45. > :00:48.clear lines in the sand between you and the other side.
:00:49. > :00:51.So yeah, I think it will make it easier, actually,
:00:52. > :00:57.Missing in general election action...
:00:58. > :01:00.We go in search of one of the most senior figures
:01:01. > :01:02.in Theresa May's Cabinet, to try to find out if
:01:03. > :01:12.Andrea Leadsom, Secretary of State for what used
:01:13. > :01:25.And - Caitlyn Jenner, who before she transitioned
:01:26. > :01:28.And - Caitlyn Jenner, who before she transitioned from Bruce,
:01:29. > :01:31.was feted as one of the most famous athletes in the world,
:01:32. > :01:32.talks about her long and difficult journey to womanhood.
:01:33. > :01:40.It takes a while, time, not two years in, to kind of leave Bruce
:01:41. > :01:46.behind, because he is still in there.
:01:47. > :01:50.Good evening - as we go on air the extent of the international
:01:51. > :01:52.ransomware cyber hack on 70 countries, which has struck NHS
:01:53. > :01:55.hospitals and GP surgeries in England and Scotland
:01:56. > :02:05.25 NHS Trusts in England and nine commissioning groups, and five
:02:06. > :02:08.NHS Trusts in Scotland have been affected.
:02:09. > :02:14.Several hospitals have announced that only patients requiring
:02:15. > :02:16.emergency treatment should attend A and some surgery
:02:17. > :02:21.Many Heathcare Trusts have switched off their IT systems which control
:02:22. > :02:24.everything from x-ray imaging systems, to pathology test results,
:02:25. > :02:26.phone and bleep systems, and patients' administrative
:02:27. > :02:30.Tonight the Prime Minister said the government was not aware of any
:02:31. > :02:33.evidence that patient data had been compromised.
:02:34. > :02:36.Well we're aware that a number of NHS organisations have reported
:02:37. > :02:43.that they've suffered from a ransomware attack.
:02:44. > :02:47.It's an international attack and a number
:02:48. > :02:49.of countries and organisations have been affected.
:02:50. > :02:53.The National Cyber Security Centre is working closely with NHS Digital
:02:54. > :02:55.to ensure that they support the organisations concerned and that
:02:56. > :03:03.Our technology editor David Grossman is with me now and has been
:03:04. > :03:07.following this story this evening...
:03:08. > :03:15.Just how deep are the tentacles of this ransomware? We know that it
:03:16. > :03:18.affects Windows operating systems by Microsoft. Over the Easter weekend,
:03:19. > :03:27.somebody dumped on the Internet on an obscure website tools to exploit
:03:28. > :03:31.former abilities. Who did it, we do not know. But rumours are swirling
:03:32. > :03:34.on the Internet that the tools were developed by the American National
:03:35. > :03:38.Security Agency. We know from Wikileaks they have those kinds of
:03:39. > :03:43.capabilities but we cannot verify whether tools came from or who use
:03:44. > :03:46.them. We know that somebody exploited the vulnerabilities that
:03:47. > :03:51.those tools exploited to attack a lot of organisations. They spread
:03:52. > :03:55.the malware around the Internet using ransomware. Microsoft say that
:03:56. > :04:01.all that was necessary for anyone to protect themselves was to use free
:04:02. > :04:05.antivirus software, and make sure operating systems were regularly
:04:06. > :04:10.updated. Microsoft issued the patches. The question is, why didn't
:04:11. > :04:14.the NHS do that, why were they vulnerable? Today we found out it
:04:15. > :04:17.seems the NHS is especially vulnerable because they've not been
:04:18. > :04:19.able to afford to update all of their systems. Some are so elderly
:04:20. > :04:21.they cannot be patched. Just as hospitals have had
:04:22. > :04:24.to urgently update their response to the threat of superbugs,
:04:25. > :04:26.so they are now having to consider their digital hygiene,
:04:27. > :04:28.how to stop machines getting infected and then, spreading
:04:29. > :04:35.a virus to others in the network. It kind of replicates
:04:36. > :04:40.itself from one computer to the next and there's
:04:41. > :04:43.really no stopping it, it spreads The NHS, it seems,
:04:44. > :04:45.was not specifically targeted but it has been
:04:46. > :04:47.particularly vulnerable. In terms of the NHS,
:04:48. > :04:49.there have been individual malware attacks on individual
:04:50. > :04:51.trusts over the last 18 months but this
:04:52. > :04:54.is the first time we've had 21 trusts
:04:55. > :04:58.who have been affected so it's affecting multiple trusts
:04:59. > :05:00.at the same time and This is the screen that appeared
:05:01. > :05:07.in hospitals and GP surgeries demanding a $300 ransom to unlock
:05:08. > :05:08.files and It meant cancelled
:05:09. > :05:15.operations and treatments. I had a cannula,
:05:16. > :05:19.I daren't show you... They had shaved, they
:05:20. > :05:21.were going to open me At half past one the surgeon
:05:22. > :05:38.turned up and said unfortunately we've been hacked
:05:39. > :05:41.and there's nothing we can do, What will be particularly
:05:42. > :05:44.alarming to ministers and officials at the
:05:45. > :05:45.Department of Health is how apparently simple
:05:46. > :05:47.this It doesn't seem to be the work
:05:48. > :05:50.of hacking geniuses, it's more the cyber equivalent
:05:51. > :05:53.of a street robbery - and yet it's managed
:05:54. > :05:58.to Someone, somewhere in the NHS
:05:59. > :06:04.system, it seems, opened an e-mail attachment or clicked on a link
:06:05. > :06:07.which let the malware in. This threat, though,
:06:08. > :06:08.has been known about for at least six weeks
:06:09. > :06:10.and security patches to protect against it
:06:11. > :06:11.have But it seems many NHS machines had
:06:12. > :06:15.not been updated and Krishna Guntupalli is an NHS
:06:16. > :06:18.doctor who has studied He wrote an article
:06:19. > :06:21.warning about the possibility of a major
:06:22. > :06:23.shutdown just two days wasn't talking about the hospital
:06:24. > :06:27.where he works, which is unaffected These operating systems
:06:28. > :06:30.tends to be quite old. So a study in January
:06:31. > :06:32.suggested that 90% of NHS trusts use Windows XP
:06:33. > :06:34.operating systems, which was released 15, 16 years
:06:35. > :06:36.ago by Microsoft and isn't being patched
:06:37. > :06:40.or fixed by Microsoft, and they've
:06:41. > :06:43.advised people to upgrade. The problem is, it's
:06:44. > :06:45.not the same as a In a health care organisation,
:06:46. > :06:50.you have proprietary That means unfortunately health care
:06:51. > :06:56.organisations may be some of the last to upgrade from old operating
:06:57. > :07:02.systems or programmes. That increases their
:07:03. > :07:05.vulnerabilities. That is what the hackers
:07:06. > :07:14.are exploiting. The solution is simple -
:07:15. > :07:16.but for cash-strapped NHS Not using out of date software,
:07:17. > :07:20.not using systems that are just too There's got to be
:07:21. > :07:24.something that's done. If you constantly use
:07:25. > :07:33.old technology that's been hacked easily, or can easily be
:07:34. > :07:35.compromised, you can This attack doesn't seem to have
:07:36. > :07:41.resulted in any data loss, but the kind of personal information
:07:42. > :07:44.that hospitals hold is really You can, after all,
:07:45. > :07:47.change your credit card number or your bank details quite easily -
:07:48. > :07:50.but you can't change your date First and foremost,
:07:51. > :07:57.we hold patient data. And this data is sensitive,
:07:58. > :07:59.including clinical information, All of this can be sold by hackers
:08:00. > :08:05.and we don't know exactly, but maybe about ten times as much
:08:06. > :08:12.as credit card information. In a statement, the NHS in England
:08:13. > :08:16.said that patients should continue using GP and hospital services
:08:17. > :08:19.while they need them but ask them to use them wisely
:08:20. > :08:22.while what they call this major Jake Davis is a reformed hacker,
:08:23. > :08:26.who found global infamy in 2011 as 'Topiary' -
:08:27. > :08:28.the face of the notorious He was convicted of hacking
:08:29. > :08:32.in 2013 and now works Professor Helen Stokes-Lampard
:08:33. > :08:36.is chair of the Royal College of GPs Council -
:08:37. > :08:40.and joining us from Bristol is Brian Lord, former GCHQ
:08:41. > :08:54.Deputy Director for Intelligence Good evening. First of all,
:08:55. > :08:58.Professor Stokes, what is the impact on services and what will it be over
:08:59. > :09:03.the next few days? So far we know quite a lot of GP services and
:09:04. > :09:07.hospital services have been shutdown in terms of IT systems but for those
:09:08. > :09:11.patients who need urgent care, doctors and patients were trained to
:09:12. > :09:14.look after patients before we had computers. We can still talk to them
:09:15. > :09:18.and examine them and make decisions on the basis of what we see and
:09:19. > :09:21.feel, not what the computers tell us. When you listen to David
:09:22. > :09:26.Grossman and the doctor there saying the scope of the hack, you have
:09:27. > :09:31.sensitive information on computers and a lot of these NHS computers are
:09:32. > :09:38.out of time? Yes, but they have been a good seven so far. The systems are
:09:39. > :09:41.backed up. The data is safe, it is there. But we have an absence of
:09:42. > :09:46.data in the short-term to help us deal with patients, putting them
:09:47. > :09:51.through the systems. It is going to be a bit disrupted. David Grossman
:09:52. > :09:56.there said that some of the NHS equipment is so elderly it cannot be
:09:57. > :10:00.patched so you will need new systems? Indeed, and ourselves and
:10:01. > :10:05.other colleges have called for serious infrastructure investment
:10:06. > :10:12.for a long time. It's overdue. GCHQ's position, everyone is calling
:10:13. > :10:17.for all sorts of ways to fix this tonight, who is at work here?
:10:18. > :10:22.Firstly, there will be two time so -- types of response. GCHQ and the
:10:23. > :10:27.National Crime Agency are looking at the crime itself, then you have
:10:28. > :10:36.cyber Security centres working with NHS Digital to work out how they can
:10:37. > :10:38.resolve the issue. This is the next step up for international organised
:10:39. > :10:43.crime. International organised crime began with low-level theft and
:10:44. > :10:48.low-level use of ransomware. By and large they have contracted it out
:10:49. > :10:52.and are now moving to larger scale, far more sustained and coordinated
:10:53. > :10:58.efforts, whether it is getting inside the infrastructure of banks
:10:59. > :11:02.or, as we can see here, a well timed and well co-ordinated delivery of a
:11:03. > :11:07.simple tool, but delivered at mass scale into vulnerable areas. The
:11:08. > :11:14.vulnerable area is the NHS. As far as we know it's not in areas, like
:11:15. > :11:22.banks or operating systems for the NEG industry, it is only the NHS? --
:11:23. > :11:28.energy industry. The NHS is especially vulnerable due to the old
:11:29. > :11:33.nature of its IT systems, and also because it is very complex with
:11:34. > :11:37.interconnectivity between surgeries, trusts, boards, and so on.
:11:38. > :11:42.Consequently, there is an awful lot of openings for delivery of this
:11:43. > :11:47.kind of basic malware. Jake Davis, you have been a hacker in the past,
:11:48. > :11:52.what do you think is going on? I think what is terrifying is how
:11:53. > :11:57.simple it is. The kind of attack and ransomware that was deployed, it may
:11:58. > :12:00.have been a sophisticated criminal organisation or just some kid that
:12:01. > :12:06.hit a go button and a worm has spread. They've woken up and gone, I
:12:07. > :12:12.have 50,000 computers... It wasn't only the NHS, they were hit
:12:13. > :12:17.completely by accident, Telefonica as well... Yes, in 70 different
:12:18. > :12:21.countries. They are putting at this ransomware, paid $300... Do people
:12:22. > :12:27.pay up? In this ransomware there is a Bitcoin address to pay the ransom.
:12:28. > :12:35.We've seen a few been paid through it. So it is working? Yes, it
:12:36. > :12:40.encrypts the files. You've been on the other side of the law? You
:12:41. > :12:49.agree? Yes. Those who are incredibly what I'll -- well-connected, are you
:12:50. > :12:51.working to sort this? Yes, I have spoken to security researchers,
:12:52. > :12:56.talented people as to why it exists and what is to be patched to stop it
:12:57. > :13:01.in future. How long in your view will this infection go on? In order
:13:02. > :13:06.to fix it, you just need to update one thing. It is a simple patch that
:13:07. > :13:11.was released by Microsoft two months ago. It works because systems have
:13:12. > :13:14.not patched it. It isn't the problem here that it may be relatively
:13:15. > :13:18.simple and, as far as we know, reasonably benign will stop
:13:19. > :13:26.reasonably benign. It isn't the problem that we see that one simple
:13:27. > :13:31.button press by an organisation that perhaps has really nefarious reasons
:13:32. > :13:37.for doing it could be very dangerous for the world? Yes, it can, in
:13:38. > :13:41.certain circumstances. What is interesting about what happened
:13:42. > :13:46.here, there's been a double whammy. Firstly, you have the ability of
:13:47. > :13:50.ransomware to propagate itself or the system but also, because of the
:13:51. > :13:54.nature of the NHS and probably within the NHS, not a full
:13:55. > :13:57.understanding of exactly how they are configured, they've had to take
:13:58. > :14:03.down just about everything because of their dependence upon IT. It is
:14:04. > :14:06.the response to the ransomware, as well as that infection, which has
:14:07. > :14:16.almost bought a National Service to its knees. I think that is probably
:14:17. > :14:21.impossible to replicate in other sectors. What is the chance of
:14:22. > :14:26.catching them? I think the chances of catching them are probably very
:14:27. > :14:31.slim in the short to medium-term future. Thank you very much indeed.
:14:32. > :14:33.This was the week when Labour's 45 page draft manifesto was leaked
:14:34. > :14:36.and Jeremy Corbyn was accused of taking the party back
:14:37. > :14:40.The manifesto is now set in stone, though not formally published -
:14:41. > :14:43.so how is it playing on the doorsteps, particularly
:14:44. > :14:45.where the Labour candidate has been openly and repeatedly critical
:14:46. > :14:48.Emily spent the day in Birmingham Yardley constituency where,
:14:49. > :14:50.to say that Jess Phillips is outspoken, is
:14:51. > :15:02.Look for the beating heart of Birmingham Yardley on Friday
:15:03. > :15:04.evening and you'll end up here, a Muslim barbers named
:15:05. > :15:07.after Italian mobsters, where they come in droves on payday.
:15:08. > :15:13.Friday prayer and straight to the barbers for my weekly haircut
:15:14. > :15:19.The business is as old as the last Parliament, set up two short years
:15:20. > :15:22.ago by brothers who tell me they work a seven-day week.
:15:23. > :15:31.They come for razor cuts, skin fades and eyebrow threading,
:15:32. > :15:40.They're local boys, who work mostly in Birmingham's car industry
:15:41. > :15:43.- and I want to know if next month's election is on their mind.
:15:44. > :15:46.Normally a voter, yeah, normally Labour.
:15:47. > :15:47.But obviously, things are changing now.
:15:48. > :15:50.Whatever suits my needs, that's what I'm going to go with now.
:15:51. > :15:52.What do you mean, things are changing?
:15:53. > :15:56.Moneywise, you're working, you've got to look at your family
:15:57. > :16:00.Whatever the best deal is for your family.
:16:01. > :16:02.So might it be Conservative this time round?
:16:03. > :16:13.I tend to go with the majority - my peers, my close relations,
:16:14. > :16:16.I tend to go along with that at times.
:16:17. > :16:20.Do you get the sense that a lot of people are voting this time
:16:21. > :16:24.I don't think a lot of the youth out there is interested.
:16:25. > :16:27.This time it feels like more of the election enthusiasm
:16:28. > :16:32.on the doorstep comes from its canine community.
:16:33. > :16:36.But this is a battle ground seat in more ways than one.
:16:37. > :16:40.A surprise gain for Labour in 2015 from the imploding Lib Dems,
:16:41. > :16:43.the two candidates face each other again in a fight both
:16:44. > :16:49.This bit is one of the more affluent bits of my constituency.
:16:50. > :16:51.We've come to find Jess Phillips, a self-styled everywoman,
:16:52. > :17:00.Did you vote Labour in the last general election?
:17:01. > :17:02.Don't worry, I won't be offended if you didn't vote.
:17:03. > :17:09.Will you be getting out to vote on June the 8th?
:17:10. > :17:17.I've generally always voted for the Labour Party.
:17:18. > :17:19.She's no fan of her leader, Jeremy Corbyn, but I wonder
:17:20. > :17:21.if Labour's leaked manifesto has given her ammunition
:17:22. > :17:26.I think it does make it easier when you have some
:17:27. > :17:35.clear line in the sand between you and the other side.
:17:36. > :17:38.So yeah, I think it will make it easier, actually,
:17:39. > :17:41.There is no doubt about it that people feel that,
:17:42. > :17:44.whilst they may have voted Labour in the past, they are not
:17:45. > :17:50.Because, as you said, there's a shopping list of policies now,
:17:51. > :17:55.they are pretty attractive to a lot of people.
:17:56. > :17:57.Actually I think they probably will be a bit more sure
:17:58. > :17:59.after the manifesto, if it reaches them.
:18:00. > :18:03.Actually what is in the manifesto, aside from some of the stuff around
:18:04. > :18:06.nationalising things, it really is the kind of thing that
:18:07. > :18:11.How do you make sense, then, and we're trying
:18:12. > :18:13.to make sense of this, that when Jeremy Corbyn goes
:18:14. > :18:16.into the country he has these amazing crowds,
:18:17. > :18:19.there is noise and excitement and enthusiasm, and the polls
:18:20. > :18:27.I think it is a potentially dangerous thing for him
:18:28. > :18:29.because if you have a feedback loop that is always kind to you,
:18:30. > :18:32.you might not be getting the real sense of the picture.
:18:33. > :18:35.Theresa May is guilty of this as well at the moment,
:18:36. > :18:37.I think she's closing herself off and only allowing the
:18:38. > :18:43.This isn't Jeremy Corbyn's problem alone.
:18:44. > :18:48.Her Lib Dem opponent in this seat, the MP before her, is John Hemming.
:18:49. > :18:50.The Lib Dems are really hoping for a resurgence this time round.
:18:51. > :18:57.I wouldn't say it's going massively well but in Yardley it's going well.
:18:58. > :19:03.I don't know about other places because it's difficult to tell.
:19:04. > :19:06.When I'm talking to people on the doorstep it's very
:19:07. > :19:09.The Conservative Party candidate is duly elected.
:19:10. > :19:12.And what was once a two horse race has just been re-energised
:19:13. > :19:18.Last week I was elected across all of the West Midlands as the mayor,
:19:19. > :19:21.as a Conservative candidate and I think something very
:19:22. > :19:23.significant happened last week because people said,
:19:24. > :19:25.let's think about whether our traditional loyalty
:19:26. > :19:30.to the Labour Party really has delivered for us.
:19:31. > :19:36.A month from today the political map will be re-drawn.
:19:37. > :19:38.The bubble may talk of landslides and resurrection, crushing defeat
:19:39. > :19:41.or party splits but much of the country will simply carry
:19:42. > :19:53.on and do what they do on any other Friday night.
:19:54. > :19:56.And here is a full list of candidates who are running for
:19:57. > :20:01.election in the Birmingham Yardley constituency.
:20:02. > :20:04.Well the Labour manifesto leak meant this last week wasn't quite
:20:05. > :20:08.what we had been expecting for the election campaign.
:20:09. > :20:10.Four weeks tonight we'll be digesting the results -
:20:11. > :20:14.so let's touch in with our regular panel of experts and assess
:20:15. > :20:21.I'm joined by Camilla Cavendish, who was Head of Policy at Number Ten
:20:22. > :20:23.under David Cameron's premiership and the author, journalist
:20:24. > :20:31.Good evening to you both. Listening to Jess Phillips, quite an
:20:32. > :20:34.interesting tactic, however this manifesto draft was leaked, it gave
:20:35. > :20:39.the candidates something to speak about that wasn't Corbyn. I think
:20:40. > :20:43.that's probably right. She said that there is a dividing line between the
:20:44. > :20:52.parties, well, boy, there is now! The question is, will the country go
:20:53. > :20:56.for a prospectus that is a throwback to the 70s, huge and costed
:20:57. > :21:01.promises? I don't think the country will go for it. Theresa May, rather
:21:02. > :21:04.than talking about the manifesto, which she won't do, she is sticking
:21:05. > :21:09.with Corbyn and today she said that Corbyn has abandoned patriotic
:21:10. > :21:15.working-class voters. She doesn't have any truck with the manifesto.
:21:16. > :21:19.Let's talk about the manifesto because for us it was fortuitous, it
:21:20. > :21:25.created drama in the election and content. Exactly. We haven't had
:21:26. > :21:31.much. People say that it is a throwback to the 70s, so many voters
:21:32. > :21:36.are of my age, mid-50s and above, many of them would look at the 60s
:21:37. > :21:40.and 70s as a good period. Yes but you need the younger voters who
:21:41. > :21:45.aren't voting. I couldn't wait to get out and say, we will give you a
:21:46. > :21:48.free university education, like I had in the 70s that enabled my
:21:49. > :21:55.generation to have such great social mobility. They understand that. But
:21:56. > :22:00.who will pay for it? I wouldn't worry about the uncosted nature. I
:22:01. > :22:05.know the team working on the costings, they've been over it
:22:06. > :22:09.several times. The tag line that is sensible, what is the economic
:22:10. > :22:14.impact of taking up so much tax? The tax will be collected. The leak was
:22:15. > :22:18.interesting because it added drama. Was it the moderates trying to
:22:19. > :22:23.change it or was it the left saying it is better than Corbyn delivering
:22:24. > :22:27.it? I suspected it was the left but I'm pretty confident that it was
:22:28. > :22:35.Jeremy Corbyn's enemies. Some popular measures, let's have 6
:22:36. > :22:39.billion a year for education, 6 billion a year for the NHS by the
:22:40. > :22:48.end of the Parliament, let's have note to wish and fees. Some things
:22:49. > :22:51.struck a chord -- tuition fees. Usually there are some interesting
:22:52. > :22:55.things in the manifesto and there are a couple of things which are
:22:56. > :22:59.actually quite sensible. Abolishing the idea of quarterly returns for
:23:00. > :23:03.small businesses, hooray. Nationalising the railways, a lot of
:23:04. > :23:06.people who are trying to get an Southern Rail and haven't been able
:23:07. > :23:12.to get to work know that there is something wrong. In London. The East
:23:13. > :23:18.Coast Main Line was nationalised and has worked well. Network Rail is
:23:19. > :23:20.nationalised but you have private franchises so it's not entirely
:23:21. > :23:29.crazy but the totality of it doesn't add up. What Theresa May said at the
:23:30. > :23:32.beginning of the week, she would stick to the idea of limited
:23:33. > :23:37.immigration in the tens of thousands, Jeremy Corbyn has said
:23:38. > :23:40.little at all about it. Was she right to announce that? They've
:23:41. > :23:45.never managed to do it. It didn't surprise me that she has stuck to
:23:46. > :23:49.it. I think she believes that you must have a stretch target and I
:23:50. > :24:00.think she believes... Willemse deliver it? That's a good question
:24:01. > :24:04.-- will see deliver it? She kept the students in the target which is
:24:05. > :24:08.going to make it much harder. On the other hand Jeremy Corbyn says
:24:09. > :24:13.nothing much about immigration which is going to go down badly with the
:24:14. > :24:16.Ukip voters that he wants to get. Labour have been pitched as not
:24:17. > :24:20.Ukip. Some Labour voters voted for Ukip last time round. They will
:24:21. > :24:26.appeal to the centre in politics that they want to commit, that they
:24:27. > :24:35.have a the main and stable solution to what the country becomes after
:24:36. > :24:39.Brexit -- humane. Companies are saying to them, there won't be any
:24:40. > :24:44.fewer migrants after Brexit because we can't function without them. I
:24:45. > :24:48.think Theresa May keeping the tens of thousands target is interesting
:24:49. > :24:51.because you could have slipped the students out of it, making it more
:24:52. > :24:57.achievable but she missed it every other time so why should she hit it
:24:58. > :25:00.now? Jeremy Corbyn must say something about immigration because
:25:01. > :25:06.in those 45 pages there was virtually nothing. The point about
:25:07. > :25:12.what is there, it is an offer to people to say that we can solve a
:25:13. > :25:17.lot of what your problems seem to be by very radical measures which
:25:18. > :25:24.redistribution wealth and empower you at work. When you talk to
:25:25. > :25:26.working-class people about migrants and immigration you find very few
:25:27. > :25:31.Mac who claim to dislike the migrants themselves. Therefore it is
:25:32. > :25:36.a different kind of xenophobia that we're dealing with. You can deal
:25:37. > :25:40.with it with radical economic offers to people who believe they have been
:25:41. > :25:44.given nothing by the present system. But it is work that is missing from
:25:45. > :25:50.the manifesto, how are we going to create the jobs? There are plenty of
:25:51. > :25:55.jobs. Where is the prospectus for skills? They are the questions.
:25:56. > :25:56.Luckily we have four more weeks to answer some of these questions!
:25:57. > :25:58.Thank you for joining us. In a general election campaign it's
:25:59. > :26:01.normal for the political parties to put their big guns out around
:26:02. > :26:05.the country and there are no bigger guns for the Conservatives
:26:06. > :26:07.than the Prime Minister But a significant number of these
:26:08. > :26:10.souls have been all but silent, causing some to wonder whether this
:26:11. > :26:13.campaign is one of the most carefully controlled
:26:14. > :26:16.and sanitised we've seen. One of those who appears to have
:26:17. > :26:19.gone missing in action is Environment Secretary Andrea
:26:20. > :26:24.Leadsom. You might have expected to have
:26:25. > :26:28.seen her on national TV recently - especially as the Tories
:26:29. > :26:30.announced their anti-pollution But no, Andrea Leadsom seems
:26:31. > :26:34.to be the nowhere woman. There's an election on and senior
:26:35. > :26:46.Tories are in short supply but one And the Conservative Energy
:26:47. > :26:58.Minister, Andrea Leadsom. Less than a year ago,
:26:59. > :27:00.the Brexiteer wowed Wembley. We should take back control and look
:27:01. > :27:03.after our own society. Andrea was all over the airwaves,
:27:04. > :27:05.running but losing Leadsom was catapulted
:27:06. > :27:11.into the Cabinet but once On big days for her Environment
:27:12. > :27:18.Department, like last week when it was in the firing line over
:27:19. > :27:21.diesel pollution, she The Tory machine told us
:27:22. > :27:26.the Prime Minister's former We contacted Andrea's
:27:27. > :27:31.agent repeatedly. Conservative Central Office
:27:32. > :27:53.won't tell us where she is. So I tracked down the address
:27:54. > :27:56.of her local Conservative club One of my team of researchers
:27:57. > :28:09.rings me and it's a hot lead. Andrea Leadsom has just tweeted,
:28:10. > :28:12."On my way to Cornwall to support some Tory MPs.
:28:13. > :28:14.Lots of singing in the car." Our problem, we are
:28:15. > :28:17.in Northamptonshire. So, why are we following
:28:18. > :28:28.Andrea Leadsom to the edge You could say we're mucking
:28:29. > :28:34.about and there is an element of truth in that, but
:28:35. > :28:38.also the other thing. This general election has the feel
:28:39. > :28:42.of the most controlled, stage-managed and yes,
:28:43. > :28:47.boring election ever. And that can't be good
:28:48. > :28:53.for our democratic system. In the morning it begins
:28:54. > :28:55.to dawn on me just how She's in Cornwall,
:28:56. > :29:01.but I have no idea where. Andrea Leadsom, Secretary
:29:02. > :29:09.of State for what used To be frank with you,
:29:10. > :29:20.I don't think she's here. So, we're trying to get in touch
:29:21. > :29:24.with a guy called Luke, who we think We've phoned him several times
:29:25. > :29:35.and he's never phoned us back. I'm not saying the hunt for Andrea
:29:36. > :29:39.is getting desperate, but the hunt for Andrea
:29:40. > :29:42.is getting desperate. We've had a tip-off that
:29:43. > :29:50.Andrea Leadsom is on a farm, talking to farmers just
:29:51. > :29:55.here up the road. It's private property
:29:56. > :29:58.so we can't film on it. I'm going to get out the van and see
:29:59. > :30:05.if I can talk to her. The lady in the farmhouse said,
:30:06. > :30:14.she's been and gone. It's now 25 past, so we
:30:15. > :30:18.only just missed her. The search for Andrea
:30:19. > :30:20.Leadsom continues. You may know John Sweeney
:30:21. > :30:24.from the BBC... At wits end, time for a where's
:30:25. > :30:27.Andrea appeal on local radio. One listener rings in to tell us
:30:28. > :30:35.she's been spotted in Penzance. She's even tweeted a picture
:30:36. > :30:38.of herself campaigning by the sea, Look at the detail in
:30:39. > :30:47.the back of the picture. There's Saint Michael's Mount,
:30:48. > :30:51.there's the red boat. It's exciting to think that
:30:52. > :30:53.Andrea Leadsom stood on this very spot, but the truth is,
:30:54. > :30:55.we've missed her. But then, just as we
:30:56. > :30:58.were about to leave, So, Andrea Leadsom is playing
:30:59. > :31:10.cat and mouse with us. I tweeted at her,
:31:11. > :31:15.where's Andrea Leadsom? And she's just tweeted
:31:16. > :31:17.a picture of some woods. We want to interview her,
:31:18. > :31:21.we want to ask questions, there's a general election,
:31:22. > :31:23.she's a cabinet minister. It could be any woods in the whole
:31:24. > :31:31.of the West Country. Was the tweet a sly wink from her,
:31:32. > :31:37.that she's been told to stay shtum? I'm from BBC Newsnight,
:31:38. > :31:40.have you seen Andrea Leadsom? She was in Penzance
:31:41. > :31:43.to talk to fishermen. Sadly we couldn't find
:31:44. > :31:46.any who'd met her. We've grown used to the idea
:31:47. > :31:50.of message discipline since New Labour and its pager
:31:51. > :31:59.culture but disappearing ministers, that seems a whole new level
:32:00. > :32:01.of control freakery. And as for the missing
:32:02. > :32:02.woman herself? We tried our hardest
:32:03. > :32:04.but Andrea Leadsom was, Inspector Sweeney there.
:32:05. > :32:10.the one that got away. And we'll be despatching him to hunt
:32:11. > :32:13.for missing politicians from other We did ask Tory Central Office
:32:14. > :32:19.if they'd told Leadsom and others not to speak to Newsnight
:32:20. > :32:21.during the campaign Caitlyn Jenner was the archetypal
:32:22. > :32:32.American jock, one of the United States most famous
:32:33. > :32:34.and revered athletes who, as Bruce Jenner, took
:32:35. > :32:36.Olympic Gold in the Decathlon at Montreal in 1976,
:32:37. > :32:40.and broke the world record. Fast forward almost 40
:32:41. > :32:45.years, and the star, part of the Keeping Up
:32:46. > :32:48.with the Kardashians reality TV extravaganza
:32:49. > :32:50.as husband of Kris Kardashian, revealed that they had
:32:51. > :32:51.separated and subsequently Caitlyn had known since teenage
:32:52. > :33:05.years that she wanted to be a woman but there were three marriages
:33:06. > :33:08.and ten children and step In 2015, she went public
:33:09. > :33:12.with her new life in a spectacularly glamorous way, and in January this
:33:13. > :33:15.year she completed her sex Now in her new book 'The Secrets
:33:16. > :33:27.of My Life', she has told the story of her long and difficult journey
:33:28. > :33:29.from Bruce to Caitlyn. At the heart of this
:33:30. > :33:33.book, I think there's an overwhelming sadness,
:33:34. > :33:36.in a way, in a sense you had to live so much of your life outwardly
:33:37. > :33:39.to the world as if everything is fine, and yet there is been this
:33:40. > :33:42.incredible subterfuge though that actually you can have
:33:43. > :33:44.all the adulation outside but what matters to you is 20
:33:45. > :33:48.minutes where you can secretly be That was a constant struggle
:33:49. > :33:55.and even after the games, many years ago, I remembered
:33:56. > :34:00.the next morning getting up and looking in the mirror
:34:01. > :34:03.and putting the gold medal around my neck, didn't
:34:04. > :34:08.have a stitch of clothes on, looking in the mirror and I thought,
:34:09. > :34:15.oh my God, did I build up such a character here that I'm stuck
:34:16. > :34:19.with him for the rest of my life? Because that's not me,
:34:20. > :34:22.it's not who I am. You talk about a moment when you are
:34:23. > :34:30.about to have an operation to reduce your Adam's apple and it
:34:31. > :34:32.got out, it might have You felt very low and I wonder,
:34:33. > :34:39.did you feel suicidal? I was home, walking up and down,
:34:40. > :34:43.3am in the morning, walking up and down the hallway of my house
:34:44. > :34:46.and knowing that this is probably And honestly at that point I didn't
:34:47. > :34:51.really want to deal with it because I knew the paparazzi
:34:52. > :34:54.would be going crazy on me, And I thought, you know,
:34:55. > :35:08.the easy thing is to go in the other room and end it right here, end
:35:09. > :35:14.the story right here, and I don't That and my conversation with God
:35:15. > :35:19.were the turning points. The next day I thought,
:35:20. > :35:22.wasn't that stupid, thinking Germaine Greer put her foot
:35:23. > :35:27.into this controversy, she'd been in it before
:35:28. > :35:36.but she put her foot in this controversy last year
:35:37. > :35:38.on Australian television, that a man who has lived for 40
:35:39. > :35:44.years as a man and has had children, it's not fair for the man to decide
:35:45. > :35:47.that he is a woman." I can see that and I respect that
:35:48. > :35:50.opinion and you're absolutely right, I will never bear children,
:35:51. > :35:53.I have a lot of children And yeah, but that doesn't make me
:35:54. > :36:02.any less of who I was. This woman living inside me has
:36:03. > :36:05.been there all my life, it's time to let her live,
:36:06. > :36:08.it's time to give her a chance. To be honest with you,
:36:09. > :36:11.Bruce did everything Bruce could do. Honestly, that was more
:36:12. > :36:22.difficult, to come out You're also a supporter
:36:23. > :36:33.of Donald Trump and at first, he said, during the campaign, he
:36:34. > :36:36.supported the idea that LGBTQ people could use, for example,
:36:37. > :36:38.the rest rooms that they wished, Is that the kind of thing
:36:39. > :36:44.you should be campaigning on? People say that I'm
:36:45. > :36:52.a supporter of Donald Trump. No, I like the Republican
:36:53. > :36:56.party because I believe in limited government,
:36:57. > :36:58.I believe in the people of this If we're going to get out of this
:36:59. > :37:17.mess that we are in, it's going to be the people,
:37:18. > :37:19.not the government, was our candidate so I'm
:37:20. > :37:22.going to vote for him, I thought he would be pretty good
:37:23. > :37:28.when it comes to LGBT issues. I talked to him in the campaign
:37:29. > :37:31.and he put out some federal guidelines which I think
:37:32. > :37:33.is important when it comes to dealing with LGBT
:37:34. > :37:35.issues and trans issues. I was tweeting about it,
:37:36. > :37:39.I went public about it. He wants me to play golf with him
:37:40. > :37:48.but I can't, because I'd be But isn't that the best way to get
:37:49. > :37:53.to him, on the golf course? From my standpoint, I would spend
:37:54. > :37:57.four hours with him and say, Inwardly, do you allow yourself
:37:58. > :38:11.to feel it or has it always been You talk about having
:38:12. > :38:14.the soul of a woman. Have you changed in any
:38:15. > :38:16.way, do you think? I've been able to see the world
:38:17. > :38:21.from the other side. It takes a while, time, not two
:38:22. > :38:33.years in, to leave Bruce behind. Do you think there's a more
:38:34. > :38:46.nurturing side of you that's allowed to come out now, or have
:38:47. > :38:48.you always been like that? I've always had a nurturing side
:38:49. > :38:51.to meet but definitely I had my 11th grandchild
:38:52. > :39:02.the other day. You know what's cool
:39:03. > :39:05.about grandchildren? My relationships
:39:06. > :39:09.with all of my family, very close friends, in most cases
:39:10. > :39:13.has gotten better. I don't have all of
:39:14. > :39:16.the turmoil inside of me, Caitlyn Jenner, thank
:39:17. > :39:27.you very much indeed. Before we go, Britain's
:39:28. > :39:29.oldest swimming pool - Victoria Baths in Manchester -
:39:30. > :39:31.will be open for swimming for the first time in
:39:32. > :39:34.24 years this Sunday. The 101-year-old baths fell
:39:35. > :39:36.into disrepair in the 90s, but after winning the BBC's
:39:37. > :39:38.Restoration competition in 2003, they are slowly
:39:39. > :39:41.on the way back to life. They will open for one day only,
:39:42. > :39:44.but organisers hope the money raised from the event will allow them
:39:45. > :39:46.to complete the restoration. Here's a look at
:39:47. > :39:48.Manchester's so-called as the fishermen like to say,
:39:49. > :40:46.the one that got away. Hello. A weekend of sunny spells and
:40:47. > :40:49.showers but not in equal measure. On Saturday, the south-east of England
:40:50. > :40:54.will do well in terms of staying dry with some sunshine. Some showers but
:40:55. > :40:55.you're much more likely to see them in the north and