:00:00. > :00:14.Labour's manifesto promises a fairer more prosperous society for the many
:00:15. > :00:17.for the many not just the few, with tax, borrow
:00:18. > :00:19.How's it playing with the core vote?
:00:20. > :00:21.And I'm very proud to present our manifesto
:00:22. > :00:26.I believe in the Labour Party, what they stand for,
:00:27. > :00:29.but I just don't think he's got enough people behind him,
:00:30. > :00:32.he's not strong enough to lead the party, really.
:00:33. > :00:37.I've waited all my life to hear a manifest like that. It looks after
:00:38. > :00:41.people. Is it grim up North for Labour,
:00:42. > :00:44.or will the heartlands hold? The Shadow Cabinet's Richard Burgen
:00:45. > :00:46.joins us from Leeds. We can't have someone
:00:47. > :00:49.in the Oval Office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word
:00:50. > :00:55."confidential" or "classified". Did Donald Trump compromise a key
:00:56. > :01:03.intelligence source, by giving the Russian Foreign Minister secret
:01:04. > :01:06.intelligence about Islamic State? Is this one too far even
:01:07. > :01:09.for the Donald or is he another Teflon President that
:01:10. > :01:10.nothing sticks to. And we go to Durham
:01:11. > :01:13.to examine the new divide - educated Remainers versus
:01:14. > :01:16.working class Brexiteers. I don't think our values are under
:01:17. > :01:20.threat, as much as we just need to articulate them better,
:01:21. > :01:21.and perhaps in a less When I was doing a bricklaying
:01:22. > :01:26.apprenticeship, I couldn't get it, because at first all the Polish came
:01:27. > :01:36.over, and they took people's jobs. Finally, we have the
:01:37. > :01:40.finished article. Jeremy Corbyn launched
:01:41. > :01:42.the party's election manifesto in Bradford,
:01:43. > :01:47.describing it as It certainly promised the earth,
:01:48. > :01:51.with a programme of tax, spend... Tax hikes of almost ?50 billion
:01:52. > :01:59.a year to pay for scrapping tuition fees, raising the minimum wage
:02:00. > :02:01.to ?10 an hour, and adding ?6 billion a year to education
:02:02. > :02:04.and ?7 billion to health and social care, and borrowing of ?250 billion
:02:05. > :02:07.over ten years for infrastructure, There was a definite high moral
:02:08. > :02:11.tone to the manifesto, with it's pledge of a levy
:02:12. > :02:13.on excessive pay - ?300,000 was the figure
:02:14. > :02:19.Jeremy Corbyn plumped for. So who was the Labour
:02:20. > :02:21.leader addressing? The Corbyn faithful,
:02:22. > :02:25.or did he think the idea of the big state and tax rises
:02:26. > :02:27.would have wide appeal? Our political Editor Nick Watt
:02:28. > :02:39.was at the launch. We have liftoff! Manifesto launch
:02:40. > :02:44.days can often turn into rather sedate affairs. Today had the
:02:45. > :02:54.feeling of a rolling personal rally, as Jeremy Corbyn took the Labour
:02:55. > :02:59.manifesto on the road. And, we will build over a million new homes... A
:03:00. > :03:03.few hours earlier the Shadow Cabinet had gathered in Bradford for this
:03:04. > :03:06.morning's launch. Team Corbyn thought that Banda had been stolen
:03:07. > :03:15.when a draft of the document was leaked last week. But supporters
:03:16. > :03:18.whooped with delight when Jeremy Corbyn pledged to nationalise the
:03:19. > :03:23.railway in stages and scrap university tuition fees.
:03:24. > :03:29.Our proposal is the government for the many, not a few. Our proposals
:03:30. > :03:34.are of hope for the many all over this country, and I'm very proud to
:03:35. > :03:39.present our manifesto for the many, not the few. Thank you very much!
:03:40. > :03:42.CHEERING One loyal trade unionist was
:03:43. > :03:46.delighted. I think it's fantastic. I've waited
:03:47. > :03:51.all my life to hear a manifesto like that. It does really look after
:03:52. > :03:55.people, working people. The only thing I get upset about when people
:03:56. > :03:58.talk about ordinary people, I don't think there's an ordinary person in
:03:59. > :04:03.the world, but people have needs, people have been suffering and this
:04:04. > :04:08.is to reach out to them. Jeremy Corbyn cited Harold Wilson in his
:04:09. > :04:13.speech. Harold, as he called him, unseated at Oriol more than 50 years
:04:14. > :04:16.ago after freshening a message that appeared to in bold in the modern
:04:17. > :04:21.world. Today critics said the manifesto had a bit of a retro feel
:04:22. > :04:26.about it, but supporters of Jeremy Corbyn say he is absolutely in touch
:04:27. > :04:31.with today's world. I think he comes over as a very natural speaker and
:04:32. > :04:35.as a very genuine person. At last, someone we can believe in rather
:04:36. > :04:42.than just another of these plastic politicians. Something special about
:04:43. > :04:50.him. Blair and Brown? Never, no, that's when I went off Labour.
:04:51. > :04:53.Jeremy's the man for me. If his message is unfiltered you would be
:04:54. > :05:00.confident he would win the British people over? You listen to a man in
:05:01. > :05:04.choosing, yes, I don't agree with all of that, of course you don't,
:05:05. > :05:09.but what he says is fundamentally for the interests of working people.
:05:10. > :05:13.For the vast majority of this country, not the handful of
:05:14. > :05:17.neoliberals down in London. Jeremy Corbyn received a rapturous
:05:18. > :05:20.reception when he spoke to his fan base at Huddersfield's Beaumont
:05:21. > :05:24.Park. We know he has plenty of support in the Labour Party because
:05:25. > :05:28.he has won the party leadership two years in a row. The challenge for
:05:29. > :05:32.him is to reach out to the wider electorate across the country.
:05:33. > :05:36.What do you think of the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn and his
:05:37. > :05:40.leadership? I think it's well-intentioned but I think it's
:05:41. > :05:45.probably unelectable. And if they were elected, I wouldn't want to be
:05:46. > :05:49.in the country after they'd been elected.
:05:50. > :05:53.I just don't think he's really strong enough, he's not strong
:05:54. > :05:57.enough, I have to say. I mean, I believe in the Labour Party. What
:05:58. > :06:00.they stand for, but I just don't think he's got enough people behind
:06:01. > :06:07.him, he's not strong enough to lead the party. He's not. No, not
:06:08. > :06:12.somebody I would follow. What do you think of Jeremy Corbyn?
:06:13. > :06:19.I think he gets a hard time in the press, but ultimately I think he's a
:06:20. > :06:24.change that would be good for the country. I think he's an honest and
:06:25. > :06:29.straight up leader. Do you see him as a potentially strong Prime
:06:30. > :06:34.Minister? I do. I think what you see with him is what you get.
:06:35. > :06:40.A ghost of one of Jeremy Corbyn's he arose hung over the day's events.
:06:41. > :06:44.Michael foot was cheered round the country 1983 but went down to a
:06:45. > :06:49.heavy defeat. Is there a danger he's getting these rapturous receptions
:06:50. > :06:54.as Michael foot did and it turned out he was preaching to the
:06:55. > :06:58.converted? Who knows, to be quite honest. We will know on the 9th of
:06:59. > :07:01.June, but what I would say to people is read the manifesto. If you like
:07:02. > :07:05.what it says, if there are bits in it that there's a you and your life
:07:06. > :07:13.and make your life better, vote. Shadow ministers are mostly sanguine
:07:14. > :07:17.about Labour's prospects. But there was palpable anger among
:07:18. > :07:23.Jeremy Corbyn's supporters, who believe that the man that calls
:07:24. > :07:24.himself Monsieur Zen is not getting a fair hearing and being unfairly
:07:25. > :07:26.maligned. But does this manifesto stack
:07:27. > :07:31.up as a policy offer? Our Policy Editor
:07:32. > :07:39.Chris Cook is here. What did you make of it? I think
:07:40. > :07:43.it's really important that when we think about manifesto speedo think
:07:44. > :07:49.them as very literal accounts of what a future government is going to
:07:50. > :07:53.do. Because frankly the world is too complicated. And you set yourself up
:07:54. > :07:56.for terrible disappointment. I think one of the things I've been trying
:07:57. > :08:03.to look at today is to think about what exactly is reasonable to expect
:08:04. > :08:07.of a political party to put down. Otherwise we are at risk of drifting
:08:08. > :08:12.into a conversation about our politics, which is does this tiny
:08:13. > :08:16.sum of money add up to this tiny sum of money and losing the bigger
:08:17. > :08:24.picture. What are the questions we should be asking of labour? This
:08:25. > :08:32.manifesto is a draft for a better future for our country. It's a
:08:33. > :08:35.blueprint of what Britain could be. Today, labour launched their vision
:08:36. > :08:39.for what Britain could be like. Their blueprint for the country as
:08:40. > :08:43.much as we expected from the leaked last week. It is a radical
:08:44. > :08:49.prospectus, certainly, but how should you assess their plans?
:08:50. > :08:53.When you read party manifestos I suggest applying two tests to what
:08:54. > :08:58.you see. The first question is ideology, what does this party stand
:08:59. > :09:02.for? A good manifesto should explain which groups and sector party wants
:09:03. > :09:05.to prioritise. The quick second question is about capability, has
:09:06. > :09:09.this party done its homework question specifically when it comes
:09:10. > :09:12.into government and has to deal with the uncertainties and unknown and
:09:13. > :09:18.that ministers face, do they have the capacity and knowledge to cope?
:09:19. > :09:23.To answer the first question, Labour's direction is very clear.
:09:24. > :09:28.Labour will end the cuts in the National Health Service. Labour will
:09:29. > :09:31.scrap tuition fees. Labour will take our railways back into public
:09:32. > :09:37.ownership and put passengers first! After today's manifesto launch we
:09:38. > :09:43.had a clear idea of what the Jeremy Corbyn government would do, quite
:09:44. > :09:45.big rises in tax, ?50 billion in total, income tax for high earners
:09:46. > :09:49.and corporation tax and that money to be spent improving public
:09:50. > :09:52.services from the NHS to schools. We don't know what the Conservatives
:09:53. > :09:55.will do, they launch their manifesto on Thursday forced you can be sure
:09:56. > :10:01.they will be doing this so there's a big choice on the 8th of June. They
:10:02. > :10:08.would do more, running train services directly, buying up water
:10:09. > :10:12.companies but some of their priorities are surprised analysts.
:10:13. > :10:16.Within their spending plans, a big increase in spending on schools and
:10:17. > :10:20.child care and infrastructure spending and fair settlement for the
:10:21. > :10:24.NHS not a generous most of the benefit cuts would be left in place.
:10:25. > :10:28.The second question is tougher. Has Labour done its homework so it's
:10:29. > :10:32.ready to run Whitehall? A snap election has made preparing much
:10:33. > :10:35.harder. I think it is particularly hard at this time because prepared
:10:36. > :10:39.to normal times they have had to do this at very short notice. They
:10:40. > :10:43.haven't had the usual luxury of setting up working groups, talking
:10:44. > :10:47.to think tanks and drawing in outside experts to draw up ideas. It
:10:48. > :10:52.is a front bench short of government experience, so they can't really
:10:53. > :10:55.draw on that. If you conserve that -- compare it to the Conservatives,
:10:56. > :10:58.they are in office, they are sitting there and have been working out
:10:59. > :11:03.policy ideas, have been able to draw on civil service support about ideas
:11:04. > :11:07.they were going to implement in government and they can translate a
:11:08. > :11:13.lot of those into their manifesto. Take this example. One of Labour's
:11:14. > :11:17.top education items is a ?5 billion extension of preschool childcare
:11:18. > :11:20.which is simple enough. But it also plans total reform of the childcare
:11:21. > :11:26.system, and they've simply given us no detail at all about what that
:11:27. > :11:31.means. The biggest concern, though, is fiscal. Labour wants to raise
:11:32. > :11:35.taxes by ?49 billion a year, but they also say only the top 5% of
:11:36. > :11:40.earners will be asked to contribute more in tax to help fund our public
:11:41. > :11:45.services. A lot of people want precisely that sort of thing from
:11:46. > :11:49.Labour, but there are risks. The proposals would raise a lot in tax,
:11:50. > :11:53.tens of billions of pounds, but might still fall well short of what
:11:54. > :11:57.they need. The tax rise is focused on a small group of high income
:11:58. > :12:01.people and increasing corporation tax. If they do fall short, will
:12:02. > :12:07.they borrow more, cut back on the spending plans or go for other tax
:12:08. > :12:11.rises? Labour is pledging a radical blueprint, but that makes it more
:12:12. > :12:14.important to sound reassuring. A snap election makes that much harder
:12:15. > :12:17.for Labour to achieve. Joining us now from Leeds
:12:18. > :12:19.is Labour's Richard Burgon, a member of Jeremy
:12:20. > :12:30.Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet. Good evening. Good evening. First of
:12:31. > :12:35.all, what proportion of GDP will the total tax take the by the end of the
:12:36. > :12:38.parliament based on the manifesto today? What I would say first of all
:12:39. > :12:43.is your colleague Chris was right in saying we should be talking about
:12:44. > :12:48.the bigger picture. This document I have here, that you referred to in
:12:49. > :12:54.your package, sets out exactly the total cost, ?48.6 billion, and
:12:55. > :12:59.exactly how we will raise it. We want to talk about some specifics. I
:13:00. > :13:05.wonder if you know what proportion of GDP the total tax take will be,
:13:06. > :13:09.based on the manifesto today. What proportion will that be? I think
:13:10. > :13:17.what we need to talk about here... If you'll let me finish I'm asking
:13:18. > :13:22.you a question. I understand your technique. It seems to me we are
:13:23. > :13:27.being put on trial for daring to suggest higher public spending. Put
:13:28. > :13:30.on trial for daring to set out with greater transparency than any other
:13:31. > :13:34.party has put forward before, about how much we're going to spend and
:13:35. > :13:37.how we will spend it. You I presume ever read the document and it is all
:13:38. > :13:41.in there. We have a choice with this interview. We can do the rather
:13:42. > :13:47.tedious thing of going through each number... Hang on, hang on. All we
:13:48. > :13:52.can talk about the bigger picture. We can talk about... Let me reassure
:13:53. > :13:55.you, we are going to go through some of the specific policies in a
:13:56. > :14:00.minute. I just wonder if you have any idea what proportion of GDP the
:14:01. > :14:04.total tax take will be at the end of this Parliament? Just to tell you,
:14:05. > :14:10.in case you don't know, it's going to be 36%. Do you know relatively
:14:11. > :14:15.how high that is for many other government since the war? The key is
:14:16. > :14:20.this, we've made a pledge on tax you viewers were very interested in. 95%
:14:21. > :14:26.of people, everyone gets paid less than ?80,000, won't pay a single
:14:27. > :14:29.penny more in taxation, because Labour is the party of low tax for
:14:30. > :14:34.the many. The Conservatives sadly in the last seven years have proved
:14:35. > :14:38.themselves to be the party of low attacks only for the privileged few.
:14:39. > :14:45.Let's look at that. Just tell you that hasn't been such a high tax
:14:46. > :14:50.take as a proportion of GDP since 1949. That is pretty eye-catching.
:14:51. > :14:54.Another eye-catching announcement today in the manifesto, you're going
:14:55. > :15:00.to introduce an excessive pay a levy on salaries above 330,000, another
:15:01. > :15:05.one at half a million. Excessive, is that a moral judgment? I think the
:15:06. > :15:11.levels of inequality in this society are very great. The average earnings
:15:12. > :15:16.in the constituency I represent our ?18,000. I think it is right that
:15:17. > :15:21.Labour is saying there will be no secret tax rises or sneaky tax
:15:22. > :15:25.ruses. 95% of people want pay -- won't pay an extra penny of tax. The
:15:26. > :15:28.Conservatives promised there would be no national insurance increase.
:15:29. > :15:33.It is only Labour stopping them doing that through the back door
:15:34. > :15:37.that stopped them doing it on slide. Basically what excessive means is
:15:38. > :15:45.unnecessary, too high... Basically you believe that people earning over
:15:46. > :15:49.330,000, be they entrepreneurs or computer wizards, BBC CEOs are
:15:50. > :15:54.essentially earning too much? You think they are earning too much?
:15:55. > :16:02.Why can't we talk about the many, not the few? People who earn over
:16:03. > :16:06.?100,000, that's about 0.3% of society. That expand this
:16:07. > :16:10.conversation and talk about the 95%. Let's move onto one of your other
:16:11. > :16:15.major announcements today. That is on the scrapping tuition fees.
:16:16. > :16:18.People can be sceptical when it comes to people saying there will be
:16:19. > :16:23.no tuition fees. Because of the Lib Dems. You say you will scrap them.
:16:24. > :16:28.When would a Labour government scrapped them? Would a student
:16:29. > :16:33.starting this September not pay tuition fees? You saw how
:16:34. > :16:37.enthusiastically this policy was received. But they wanted to be
:16:38. > :16:40.delivered. If it was delivered by a Labour government, would it be
:16:41. > :16:46.immediate, incremental, would student at university now in second
:16:47. > :16:50.year not pay? When would you be introducing this policy? We will
:16:51. > :16:55.reveal the further details about the plan in due course. What is true is
:16:56. > :16:59.that it has been widely welcomed. The difference between Jeremy Corbyn
:17:00. > :17:02.and people like Nick Clegg, if anybody remembers him, Jeremy Corbyn
:17:03. > :17:08.as a politician who has always kept his promises. You just said that we
:17:09. > :17:12.will know more detail in a few weeks. We will know the detail of
:17:13. > :17:16.tuition fees at how they will be scrapped in three weeks? We will be
:17:17. > :17:21.making further announcements about the detail. It seems to me that we
:17:22. > :17:28.are being put on trial for agreeing to more... You are announcing
:17:29. > :17:31.policy... We've announced a great list of policies today. Of which
:17:32. > :17:40.this is one, a key one, something you are spending a lot on. We make
:17:41. > :17:42.no apologies for spending a lot on it because it is fully costed at
:17:43. > :17:45.that. Students and people who want to be students from being held back.
:17:46. > :17:48.Too many families are being held back in this country and our
:17:49. > :17:51.manifesto will change that. It is about fairness, you have been
:17:52. > :17:55.categorical about that. Would you suggest that if you are announcing
:17:56. > :17:58.in three weeks' time, that you cannot abolish tuition fees for,
:17:59. > :18:02.say, to years of a Labour government, if you get in, would you
:18:03. > :18:07.suggest students delay going to university until the policy is in
:18:08. > :18:11.place? This is obviously a trap. At the end of the day I hope you would
:18:12. > :18:14.join students across the country, and people thinking about being
:18:15. > :18:20.students, welcoming this policy as a massive step forward. It is a
:18:21. > :18:23.massive step forward. So is reversing the scrapping of the
:18:24. > :18:30.student nurse bursaries, bringing back the education maintenance
:18:31. > :18:33.allowance. What this is about is stopping people's aspirations from
:18:34. > :18:36.being held back. People feel they are being priced out of going to
:18:37. > :18:42.university. A Labour government will end that. The difference to even
:18:43. > :18:47.Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour team, and the Lib Dems, who you mentioned
:18:48. > :18:52.earlier, is that the Labour team as Jeremy Corbyn have a track record of
:18:53. > :18:58.keeping their word. You are introducing sweeping changes in
:18:59. > :19:02.childcare. Free school meals. There will be the tuition fees. These are
:19:03. > :19:09.free benefits for the very people you say earn ?330,000 and access.
:19:10. > :19:13.They will benefit from that. That is a terrible inconsistency, isn't it?
:19:14. > :19:17.We all benefit from that. We benefit from people going to university,
:19:18. > :19:21.their education helps to stimulate the economy. If you are treated in
:19:22. > :19:25.hospital you are treated by somebody who has gone to university, whether
:19:26. > :19:31.it be a doctor, a nurse, if you go and see a lawyer you are being
:19:32. > :19:34.assessed by somebody who has been to university. Our policy of free
:19:35. > :19:39.school meals, some people have criticised it for its universalism.
:19:40. > :19:45.I am proud of the universalism. On that question of universalism and
:19:46. > :19:49.whether that will benefit you, Len McCluskey, he said if the party
:19:50. > :19:55.holds 200 seats that will mean this has been a successful campaign. Is
:19:56. > :20:00.he one of the so-called moderate doom mongers? Here's a great general
:20:01. > :20:03.secretary. I'm delighted he was re-elected recently. All I am
:20:04. > :20:07.focused on, and all the Labour team is focused on, is getting out these
:20:08. > :20:14.policies, policies for the many, not the few... Would it be with 200
:20:15. > :20:18.seats? The polls have narrowed. I think they will continue to narrow
:20:19. > :20:22.when people see the policies of our manifesto. We want with this general
:20:23. > :20:27.election. There is three weeks to go. Three weeks is a long time in
:20:28. > :20:30.politics. We are up for the fight. We are forwarding the selection in
:20:31. > :20:34.order to completely transform things. So things are run in the
:20:35. > :20:38.interest of the many not the few, so we end the system rigged against
:20:39. > :20:39.vulnerable families. Thanks very much.
:20:40. > :20:42.The White House has tonight refused to comment on reports
:20:43. > :20:43.that the highly classified information that President Trump
:20:44. > :20:46.today finally admitted to sharing with the Russian foreign Minister
:20:47. > :20:53.and the Russian Ambassador had come from Israeli Intelligence.
:20:54. > :20:55.After first denying he had shared anything and sending his
:20:56. > :20:58.National Security Advisor General HR McMaster, out deny any wrongdoing,
:20:59. > :21:01.today President Trump said he had an absolute right to do what he did,
:21:02. > :21:05.and sent General McMaster out yet again.
:21:06. > :21:09.I stand by my statement I made yesterday.
:21:10. > :21:11.What I'm really saying is that the premise of that article
:21:12. > :21:14.is false, but in any way the president had a conversation
:21:15. > :21:16.that was inappropriate, or that resulted in any kind
:21:17. > :21:21.And so I think the real issue, and I think what I would like to see
:21:22. > :21:23.really debated more, is that national security has been
:21:24. > :21:35.put at risk by those violating confidentiality.
:21:36. > :21:40.The New York Times reported that Trump asked the then FBI director,
:21:41. > :21:46.James Comey, to end his investigation into Michael Flynn for
:21:47. > :21:51.alleged connections with Russia. He sacked James Comey a week ago. The
:21:52. > :21:54.White House denied this report. But the stream of charges and
:21:55. > :21:56.accusations against the Trump White House seems to be endless.
:21:57. > :21:58.But where does this latest row leave his relationship
:21:59. > :22:01.with a Republican Party that has, thus far, shown steady loyalty
:22:02. > :22:05.Joining me now is Jacob Weisberg of Slate media group,
:22:06. > :22:07.and Debra Saunders who is the White House Correspondent
:22:08. > :22:18.Good evening to both of you. Thank you for coming in. On the scale of
:22:19. > :22:24.calamity, Jacob, how does this rack including the New York Times story
:22:25. > :22:28.tonight? -- how does this rank. These are pretty much the worse
:22:29. > :22:33.things that have happened the Trump. I think they are clearly impeachable
:22:34. > :22:36.offences. If you had a Congress willing to think about impeachment,
:22:37. > :22:44.and at some time you will, this is obstruction of justice. The primary
:22:45. > :22:48.article of impeachment against Nixon was the same. The president seems
:22:49. > :22:53.intent on providing all of the evidence needed to support it
:22:54. > :22:55.himself. Debra, the whole question of whether Trump actually knew what
:22:56. > :23:01.he was doing is still far from clear. Is it a case of calamity
:23:02. > :23:07.after calamity and Congress being unwilling to do anything about it,
:23:08. > :23:14.or will be the latest two, as Jacob seems to say, tipped over the edge?
:23:15. > :23:19.-- tip it over the edge? He did not know the source of the information
:23:20. > :23:32.he apparently inadvertently revealed to the Russians. As you know, -- I'm
:23:33. > :23:37.not sure there isn't an illegality. It is tough for Trump. First, it is
:23:38. > :23:41.the Russians again. He seems to be smitten by Vladimir Putin and some
:23:42. > :23:45.of the other Russians. He campaigned, saying he was against
:23:46. > :23:49.Clinton, she lets classified information fall into the hands of
:23:50. > :23:55.others because she had them in a home server. Now it turns out he has
:23:56. > :24:00.slipped something to the Russians. I must say, you are asking what is the
:24:01. > :24:05.number come up to ten, we have been eight through ten for the last week.
:24:06. > :24:12.We have been over 84 with this president. He thrives on chaos. --
:24:13. > :24:15.we have been over eight already with this president. I think he has the
:24:16. > :24:19.stamina to stick things out. He seems ready to cut whatever comes
:24:20. > :24:30.his way. That is what he has been doing. -- he seems ready to gut.
:24:31. > :24:36.Nobody has made a comment whether it was Israeli intelligence being
:24:37. > :24:42.discussed yet. Is he just going to limp on? I'm not sure if it is worse
:24:43. > :24:46.or better if he compromises the intelligence inadvertently, or did
:24:47. > :24:51.it, as he was trying to say yesterday, with purpose in mind.
:24:52. > :24:56.When you think about what is at stake, the penetration of a
:24:57. > :25:00.terrorist organisation, like Isis, by an allied security service, there
:25:01. > :25:04.isn't much more important to protect than the ability to keep that kind
:25:05. > :25:08.of information flowing, to protect from terrorists, and future
:25:09. > :25:14.terrorist attacks. This is information that journalists are
:25:15. > :25:17.very good at protecting. In fact, the news organisations that cover
:25:18. > :25:21.this story, including the Washington Post, were very careful about
:25:22. > :25:27.restraining themselves from revealing the information that Trump
:25:28. > :25:36.apparently revealed to the Russians. You cannot plead ignorance, or
:25:37. > :25:41.inadvertence, or callousness here. It is an odd loophole that he
:25:42. > :25:45.doesn't need a security clearance. But it is clear that Trump will not
:25:46. > :25:50.qualify for one. On the whole question of the New York Times
:25:51. > :25:55.tonight, whether or not he asked James Comey not investigate Michael
:25:56. > :26:00.Flynn, if that could be proved what would be the consequence of that,
:26:01. > :26:04.Debra? I don't know if it can be proved. We know James Comey, as soon
:26:05. > :26:10.as he finished dinner, wrote a memo and the Trump did it. I think it is
:26:11. > :26:13.a bit of a he said she said. Unless, of course, the president we did
:26:14. > :26:19.there may be tapes. Then we would know. I do not think that would be a
:26:20. > :26:23.good thing for Trump because it makes you feel like you are in the
:26:24. > :26:27.days of Watergate when you see that out there. You raise Watergate.
:26:28. > :26:32.Watergate was a long, drawn-out business. Do you think the
:26:33. > :26:38.Republicans don't have the appetite for that, they are going to stick to
:26:39. > :26:43.their man? I would have said that a week ago. That is what has been
:26:44. > :26:47.going on. A lot of Trump supporters feel the media are against him. That
:26:48. > :26:51.the Democrats are against him. That everybody is rooting for him to fail
:26:52. > :26:54.and it makes them want to stand by him more. Here is what happened
:26:55. > :27:02.which went wrong with James Comey last week. The president had a right
:27:03. > :27:06.to fire James Comey, but... He sent out his surrogates. Sean Spicer,
:27:07. > :27:12.Sarah Huckabee Sardis, and gave us this story about how Trump ended up
:27:13. > :27:15.talking to the Deputy Attorney General and the Attorney General,
:27:16. > :27:19.they brought forward the memos, the sport of the president of fire James
:27:20. > :27:23.Comey. Then what does he do come he tells NBC News that he was going to
:27:24. > :27:30.do it all along because of the Russians. If you are Republican and
:27:31. > :27:34.you want to take his story, and tell it to the world, you know you can be
:27:35. > :27:37.undercut by him the next day on NBC news. Thank you both very much
:27:38. > :27:38.indeed. In this election, how do we know
:27:39. > :27:41.what really matters to people? The old certainties are gone,
:27:42. > :27:43.tribal loyalties shattered - People are less likely to vote
:27:44. > :27:47.blindly for the party of their parents, and factors
:27:48. > :27:49.such as age, geography, and education are emerging
:27:50. > :27:52.as the new dividing lines. Over the next three weeks,
:27:53. > :27:55.Katie Razzall is going to be looking at some of these divisions in 21st
:27:56. > :27:57.Britain's voting For her first report she travelled
:27:58. > :28:00.from Durham to Tyneside, to examine where the faultlines lie
:28:01. > :28:16.in terms of education. An island of Remain in a region that
:28:17. > :28:28.voted overwhelmingly Out. Nearly a fifth of Durham's
:28:29. > :28:30.inhabitants have a degree, which statistics suggest also means
:28:31. > :28:33.they're more liberal and outward With left and right now
:28:34. > :28:41.less obviously a marker of how someone might vote,
:28:42. > :28:43.university appears a prime ceding So here we are, we're
:28:44. > :28:47.entering the premises Jack Gilmour is the Society's
:28:48. > :28:55.proud Treasurer. Founded in 1842, all
:28:56. > :28:56.those years ago... Amongst the student fraternity,
:28:57. > :29:05.Jack's in a minority group. This place has produced many
:29:06. > :29:07.notable MPs, including Edward Leigh and Crispin Blunt,
:29:08. > :29:10.and here we have the main He's a Conservative
:29:11. > :29:13.supporter and a Leave voter. The other three here
:29:14. > :29:17.are Labour Remainers. Voting remain and voting leave,
:29:18. > :29:19.again, it's about how I want society to be multicultural,
:29:20. > :29:27.I want everyone to be equal. What do you think it is,
:29:28. > :29:29.if anything, about university education, that makes it such
:29:30. > :29:31.a marker for how Well, I think certainly people
:29:32. > :29:37.who are more university educated, of course, tended to vote Remain
:29:38. > :29:40.more in the referendum. I think what's really sad
:29:41. > :29:43.at the moment, the 48% who voted Remain have kind of been cut out
:29:44. > :29:46.of public discourse entirely. We're pursuing a hard Brexit,
:29:47. > :29:48.we're leaving the single market, The 48%, which is a very large
:29:49. > :29:52.portion of this country, are being labelled enemies
:29:53. > :29:55.of the people in the press and effectively being cut
:29:56. > :30:00.out of the discussion. The people that go to university,
:30:01. > :30:03.they're interacting in more multicultural societies,
:30:04. > :30:09.and if you go to university, you're more likely to get
:30:10. > :30:12.a job in a city as well, which is then more
:30:13. > :30:14.likely to be Remain. I think that your views can
:30:15. > :30:16.so easily be swayed, My views changed when I came
:30:17. > :30:20.to university, somewhat, on topics I was a believer when I started
:30:21. > :30:27.in my first year, but I was exposed to different thoughts and I became
:30:28. > :30:29.an atheist afterwards, for example. I think background,
:30:30. > :30:34.where you're born and how you're raised and so on,
:30:35. > :30:36.determines, I think, My parents were working class people
:30:37. > :30:39.who became middle-class, I mean their sort of story of,
:30:40. > :30:44.for want of a better term, rags to riches, I think,
:30:45. > :30:47.is an inspirational one and I think that's why
:30:48. > :30:52.I have a conservative mindset. Education apparently
:30:53. > :30:55.fuels voting habits. In the French election,
:30:56. > :30:57.areas whose inhabitants have less education were much less likely
:30:58. > :30:59.to vote for Macron than Both Brexit and Donald Trump's
:31:00. > :31:08.victory were also driven by people with fewer educational
:31:09. > :31:08.qualifications. Why is education having this effect,
:31:09. > :31:13.and is it patronising even to look Almost as if this is a problem to be
:31:14. > :31:23.fixed, instead of simply Everyone's right to have
:31:24. > :31:32.a different opinion? Newsnight headed up the coast,
:31:33. > :31:35.back to a place that was celebrating when we visited the day
:31:36. > :31:47.after the Brexit vote. Haven't been to sea for 15
:31:48. > :31:49.days, or 18 days, that's John Ellis has worked at North
:31:50. > :32:06.Shields fish quay for 60 years. I can read a little bit
:32:07. > :32:09.and write a little bit, Without educational qualifications,
:32:10. > :32:15.John made a good living doing a valued job in
:32:16. > :32:19.a respected industry. And a kid to your age now,
:32:20. > :32:22.a 15-year-old who left school... Would they have the same prospects
:32:23. > :32:27.as you had back then? What the case was down here,
:32:28. > :32:34.if you worked hard, And when you think about
:32:35. > :32:38.the Prime Minister now, Theresa May? I think she's all right
:32:39. > :32:46.for the country, and The other fella's good
:32:47. > :32:51.as well, the Labour man. But he's got no oomph
:32:52. > :33:00.about him, you know? In heartland Labour Tyneside, many
:33:01. > :33:03.at the fish dock migrated to Ukip. This election not all
:33:04. > :33:06.those votes are assured. The quay master left school at 16
:33:07. > :33:09.to be apprenticed; his children When I was young I had choices,
:33:10. > :33:19.you could go down the yards, the coal mines, the steel yards,
:33:20. > :33:21.but there's nothing I'm just now thinking I won't vote,
:33:22. > :33:25.because there's no one to vote for. You couldn't bring yourself
:33:26. > :33:28.to vote Conservative? They wrecked the northern England
:33:29. > :33:33.the last time they had I mean, I've got two
:33:34. > :33:36.kids now at university. One went into, he's just
:33:37. > :33:38.working at call centres Now at university, because he went
:33:39. > :33:44.into construction but there wasn't the there isn't the work
:33:45. > :33:46.in the north any more. Unless Theresa May can come up to me
:33:47. > :33:50.and put a deal on the table and say, this is what we going to do,
:33:51. > :33:53.this is what we've got for the fishermen, then my vote
:33:54. > :33:56.will be going to Ukip, to put through the job that that
:33:57. > :33:58.they've already started. Jackie Weatherstone
:33:59. > :34:00.left school at 15. He voted Ukip recently, but back
:34:01. > :34:03.in the day it was a different story. I had to be in the Labour Party
:34:04. > :34:07.to get a job, to get to sea, It'd be Conservative,
:34:08. > :34:11.because Ukip's finished, isn't it? This election, 53% of those
:34:12. > :34:20.YouGov asked who have no qualifications plan to vote Tory,
:34:21. > :34:26.17% Ukip, 18% Labour and 5% Lib Dem. The Tory vote share seems
:34:27. > :34:28.to decrease for every extra Of those with degrees,
:34:29. > :34:33.Tory vote share was down to 36%, Ukip just 4%, while Labour
:34:34. > :34:41.was on 28% and the Lib Dems 19%. # Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
:34:42. > :34:43.How I wonder what you are...# The mood music across the Tyne
:34:44. > :34:46.in South Shields is In a place where 62% voted out,
:34:47. > :34:56.and nearly 30% have no At The Word cultural space,
:34:57. > :35:03.the council offers free music sessions for parents and babies,
:35:04. > :35:08.but when it comes to how these people might vote,
:35:09. > :35:10.is it education or employment He left school at 16,
:35:11. > :35:19.did NVQs and an apprenticeship in bricklaying, recently he's voted
:35:20. > :35:23.Ukip. When I was doing a bricklaying
:35:24. > :35:28.apprenticeship, I couldn't get it because at first all the Polish came
:35:29. > :35:31.over and they took over people's So you couldn't get a job
:35:32. > :35:37.after the apprenticeship? No, I got ruled out of it,
:35:38. > :35:40.what was put down on paper, there were too many cheap labourers
:35:41. > :35:44.available and they didn't want to pay for my wage
:35:45. > :35:46.compared to theirs. It didn't make us angry, it's just
:35:47. > :35:51.obvious business sense, isn't it? Why pay for one person on this,
:35:52. > :35:54.when you can get two So when Theresa May says they're
:35:55. > :36:01.to bring immigration way down, Now, for this election,
:36:02. > :36:08.do you think you'd vote Ukip again? Kate Foster, on the left,
:36:09. > :36:19.went to university but didn't From a mining family, she is staunch
:36:20. > :36:26.Labour and voted Remain. And what you feel as
:36:27. > :36:29.a Remainer in this sea Especially, we've got Nissan
:36:30. > :36:34.at Sunderland and I can't understand why a city that depends on industry
:36:35. > :36:36.and outside help... I want to live in a country that's
:36:37. > :36:50.open, open to people that need help, aren't afraid to have friends
:36:51. > :36:57.from all walks of life. I don't see that that's going to be
:36:58. > :37:01.how it's going to be any more. I do think it's under
:37:02. > :37:03.threat, I really do. The referendum gave a voice to those
:37:04. > :37:06.who haven't benefited from our In Durham our students were taking
:37:07. > :37:16.a break from exam revision. Amongst the gang,
:37:17. > :37:17.another Conservative, this time she's a Remainer,
:37:18. > :37:19.and a Liberal Democrat supporter. I don't think our values are under
:37:20. > :37:23.threat as much as we just need to articulate them better,
:37:24. > :37:25.and perhaps in a less I think the liberal establishment
:37:26. > :37:28.has been a bit smug in their messaging and just assuming
:37:29. > :37:31.everyone is on their side. What we need to do is articulate
:37:32. > :37:34.liberal values and just make the point that they're actually
:37:35. > :37:36.British values. I think we struggle
:37:37. > :37:39.within the Brexit rhetoric, Remainders, we lost,
:37:40. > :37:42.and we have to accept that, which is fine, but the way that
:37:43. > :37:45.we're going now, I'm really frightened of a hard Brexit,
:37:46. > :37:49.because that's where the rhetoric I think is leading,
:37:50. > :37:51.especially as the Tory party want to increase their majority,
:37:52. > :37:54.which I want happened too, what are we doing that
:37:55. > :37:58.at the expense of taking in some A university education doesn't give
:37:59. > :38:16.everybody liberal values. Nor is everyone without a degree
:38:17. > :38:18.conservative, but education is a significant predictor of voting
:38:19. > :38:21.behaviour, and with a likely realignment going on on the right,
:38:22. > :38:24.in many areas of Britain it will play a big role in deciding
:38:25. > :38:29.who wins this election. Well, while there's still room
:38:30. > :38:33.in politics for old-fashioned door-knocking and leaflets,
:38:34. > :38:39.the parties are increasingly fighting a sophisticated
:38:40. > :38:41.cyber-campaign, which targets people The fact this kind of messaging
:38:42. > :38:46.is so easily focused at specific groups of voters, means it can be
:38:47. > :38:49.difficult to see exactly what the parties are
:38:50. > :38:52.sending and to whom. We're keen to get to the bottom
:38:53. > :38:55.of this, so we've teamed up with our colleagues from BBC
:38:56. > :38:58.Trending - and we need your help. Mukul Devichand is the editor of BBC
:38:59. > :39:07.Trending and joins me now. What's going on? As you say, it's
:39:08. > :39:13.about what we know and what we don't know. What we know is at least ?1
:39:14. > :39:18.million will be spent on Facebook advertising during the election. It
:39:19. > :39:22.was 1.3 million in 2015. We know it is a really micro-targeted kind of
:39:23. > :39:27.advertising that can look at what your likes and dislikes are, through
:39:28. > :39:30.your friends are, where you are, your age and gender and target
:39:31. > :39:33.messages towards you and parties will be doing that. This was thought
:39:34. > :39:38.to be a game changer in the referendum. One estimate was up to a
:39:39. > :39:43.billion messages sent by the parties. What we don't know is what
:39:44. > :39:47.all those messages say. Some of them are not publicly visible, apart from
:39:48. > :39:53.the people that get them. What you want people to do about it?
:39:54. > :39:57.Newsnight and Trending will be teaming up to try and analyse what
:39:58. > :40:01.to send us. We want you to take a snap of a message you get in your
:40:02. > :40:05.timeline that feels political, send it to us, send us a bit of
:40:06. > :40:08.information about yourself if you don't mind, your age and location
:40:09. > :40:14.and except. How to send is on screen. We will try and analyse that
:40:15. > :40:17.and build up a national picture of the types of messaging that the
:40:18. > :40:21.parties are using and come back to the show and on the BBC Trending
:40:22. > :40:27.blog to report that. Thank you. Now the last of our Viewsnights,
:40:28. > :40:30.pitching ideas for the parties Tonight, it's Times
:40:31. > :42:20.journalist Raphael Hogarth. That's all we have time for tonight.
:42:21. > :42:39.Good night. A cooler night ahead for Scotland
:42:40. > :42:40.and Northern Ireland after the mild and humid night on