:00:00. > :00:13.The Tories don't seem to want you to.
:00:14. > :00:20.Five years later because of our long-term economic plan and the
:00:21. > :00:23.difficult decision... Come with me as I lead Britain. Strengthen our
:00:24. > :00:24.hand as I fight for Britain and stand with me as I deliver for
:00:25. > :00:27.Britain. Theresa May spells out a more
:00:28. > :00:31.statist Conservatism - ditching dozens of her predecessor's
:00:32. > :00:34.policies from just two years ago. When our political editor asked,
:00:35. > :00:42.she was reluctant to define one. There is no Mayism. I know that you
:00:43. > :00:52.journalists like to write about it. One thing that's unchanged
:00:53. > :00:54.is the Tory immigration target. The Defence Secretary tells us
:00:55. > :00:56.whether it will continue to be as functionally meaningless as it
:00:57. > :01:08.has been for the last It is an aim and we intend to
:01:09. > :01:13.continue to aim to reduce the level of immigration as we have set out.
:01:14. > :01:17.Also tonight we are in blazing sunshine in Hartlepool which binds
:01:18. > :01:24.itself on the Tory target list for the first time in decades. Can team
:01:25. > :01:30.Theresa's narrative land them their first MPs year for half a century? I
:01:31. > :01:33.like their policies at the moment, I want to leave the European Union and
:01:34. > :01:37.I think Theresa May is the only person who will get us out of the
:01:38. > :01:38.European Union with a reasonable deal. Labour. I've always been
:01:39. > :01:41.Labour. And our panel will tell us
:01:42. > :01:44.where Theresa May sits on our map Some of us remember
:01:45. > :01:56.the heydey of TV advertising. Consumer brands - washing
:01:57. > :01:59.powders and the like - would constantly market themselves
:02:00. > :02:01.as new and improved. Never mind that they were less
:02:02. > :02:04.than perfect before, as long as you now understood
:02:05. > :02:09.that they are better than ever. Well, the Conservative
:02:10. > :02:11.party is pitching itself A Theresa May manifesto,
:02:12. > :02:14.with a pretty different A section entitled We Believe
:02:15. > :02:20.in the Good That Government Can Do, Some will say it's just
:02:21. > :02:24.marketing, others will see it Certainly, the emphasis on scaling
:02:25. > :02:29.back the relative generosity displayed to the elderly
:02:30. > :02:32.is a notable shift. The point of continuity
:02:33. > :02:34.is the immigration pledge - it'll come down to tens
:02:35. > :02:38.of thousands apparently. But we'll either look back on this
:02:39. > :02:41.day as a momentous one in the history of the Tory party,
:02:42. > :02:45.or as a forgettable attempt to be Let's start with our political
:02:46. > :02:49.editor Nick Watt, who is in Salford where there has been
:02:50. > :02:59.an ITV leaders' debate. Nick, what do you think we learned
:03:00. > :03:03.today? That's right, the ITV leaders debate although sadly not with the
:03:04. > :03:07.two plausible candidates for Prime Minister. But we saw plenty of
:03:08. > :03:11.Theresa May at the launch of the Tory manifesto in Halifax and it was
:03:12. > :03:16.interesting there because what you said earlier was that she made clear
:03:17. > :03:19.that she does not feel beholden to any of her predecessors. So she
:03:20. > :03:24.jumped some key elements of David Cameron 's manifesto from 2015. Out
:03:25. > :03:36.went the tax lock so there's no pledge on
:03:37. > :03:40.rates of income tax and national insurance and in came a commitment
:03:41. > :03:42.that means that people will have to pay the cost of domiciliary home
:03:43. > :03:45.care. This is what one senior Tory told me. Theresa May's brand in
:03:46. > :03:47.focus groups is so resilient that it can withstand some radical moves
:03:48. > :03:53.that would have been suicidal two years ago. While you get your
:03:54. > :03:56.earpiece in, Nick, one of the rationales for this election was
:03:57. > :04:01.Brexit and making sure that she had a majority, in her view, to get
:04:02. > :04:06.through Brexit. Reading that manifesto what does it tell us about
:04:07. > :04:11.her plan for that? She has given herself an enormous amount of
:04:12. > :04:15.wriggle room on Brexit. We see it on two fronts. On public finances, a
:04:16. > :04:21.senior Tory told me, she is removing the landmines on tax that could be
:04:22. > :04:26.really difficult if we have a bumpy economic ride when those Brexit
:04:27. > :04:29.negotiations are under way and a little noticed section in the
:04:30. > :04:34.manifesto indicated that the Conservative Party would be prepared
:04:35. > :04:39.to settle its financial bill when it leaves the EU. And one Tory I spoke
:04:40. > :04:44.to said to me, the Prime Minister in the last year has embraced Ukip. She
:04:45. > :04:48.has embraced the Tory right but what he is now showing is coming she gets
:04:49. > :04:51.a big mandate on June eight she is prepared to walk away from them and
:04:52. > :04:58.sign up to a deal that really would be quite unpalatable. So today we
:04:59. > :05:10.really were looking at how liberated Theresa May would like to govern
:05:11. > :05:13.this country. It was all a bit reminiscent of the 1980s, Tory Prime
:05:14. > :05:18.Minister ventures into Labour territory with the inevitable and
:05:19. > :05:23.loud protests. The tightly controlled Tory election campaign
:05:24. > :05:29.machine was briefly thrown off-course as the protesters greeted
:05:30. > :05:31.the arrival of Theresa May. Naturally our strong and stable
:05:32. > :05:36.Prime Minister was not bothered as she took to the podium to tell the
:05:37. > :05:41.nation it just who is the politician who was known as the submarine Home
:05:42. > :05:46.Secretary in her last job. Is there a philosophy? One and we will be
:05:47. > :05:50.talking about in decades to come? It is occasionally said that it's
:05:51. > :05:55.difficult to define what is meant by Mayism but if you turn to Page nine
:05:56. > :06:00.of your manifesto it says you reject the cult of softness individualism
:06:01. > :06:10.and you regard such selfish gradualism and you regard the dogma
:06:11. > :06:14.of is dangerous. That seems like a rejection of Thatcherism, are you
:06:15. > :06:19.rejecting personally the comparisons between you and Mrs Thatcher? There
:06:20. > :06:28.is no Mayism. I know that you journalists like to write about it!
:06:29. > :06:32.There is good solid conservatism, which puts the interest of the
:06:33. > :06:34.country and the interests of ordinary working people at the heart
:06:35. > :06:39.of everything that we do in government. The assembled cabinet
:06:40. > :06:49.ministers clubbed dutifully as they were put on notice to avoid any talk
:06:50. > :06:53.of an ism but there was plenty of what George Bush senior memorably
:06:54. > :06:57.called the vision thing. So join me on this journey, come with me as I
:06:58. > :07:05.lead Britain, strengthen my hand as I fight for Britain and stand with
:07:06. > :07:07.me as I deliver for Britain. By infighting former sparring partner
:07:08. > :07:10.David Davis to introduce the commission show that you believe
:07:11. > :07:15.that Brexit is the defining challenge of this generation. Our
:07:16. > :07:19.future prosperity, place in the world, standard of living, the
:07:20. > :07:23.opportunities we want for our children and children's children,
:07:24. > :07:27.each and everyone depends on having the strongest possible hand as we
:07:28. > :07:32.enter those negotiations to get the best Brexit steel for families
:07:33. > :07:36.across this country. My prayer ministerial dressing down shows that
:07:37. > :07:40.Theresa May abhors what she described in her little blue book is
:07:41. > :07:45.the caricature is an idea of placing people on the left or the right. But
:07:46. > :07:48.it would be remiss not to identify the clear lessons we learned about
:07:49. > :07:52.her today. She believes she is the only party leader who truly
:07:53. > :07:56.understands the cry of anguish that drove the Brexit vote. That means
:07:57. > :08:05.being fearless in challenging traditional Tory thinking and
:08:06. > :08:09.breaking with the Cameron legacy. Manifestos, said Churchill, should
:08:10. > :08:13.be a lighthouse, not a shop window. Today's bright light showed the
:08:14. > :08:17.Prime Minister is prepared to confront the Tory right by dropping
:08:18. > :08:20.David Cameron 's pledge not to increase income tax and national
:08:21. > :08:29.insurance, although she does rule and a rise in VAT. Pensioners, by
:08:30. > :08:33.downgrading the triple lock of a guaranteed 2.5% rise in the basic
:08:34. > :08:38.state pension to a less generous double lock. Middle England, by
:08:39. > :08:44.saying they would be allowed to preserve no more than ?100,000 of
:08:45. > :08:48.their assets to pay for social care. Big business by venturing into
:08:49. > :08:53.territory once claimed by Ed Miliband, with tougher rules on
:08:54. > :08:57.corporate pay. Theresa May chose Halifax for the launch of her
:08:58. > :09:01.manifesto to show that she is confident of recapturing a seat that
:09:02. > :09:06.has not elected Tory MP since Margaret Thatcher's heyday in 1983.
:09:07. > :09:12.Labour still enjoys support in the town although the Prime Minister
:09:13. > :09:17.does appear to be cutting through. Have you always voted Labour? Have
:09:18. > :09:22.you decided how you will vote? What do you think of Theresa May? I think
:09:23. > :09:30.she's doing a good job. So far, yeah. She's doing fine. Give her the
:09:31. > :09:37.mandate to do it. I was definitely the Conservatives but this morning
:09:38. > :09:44.the manifesto that I heard, the pensioners, ?200 of fuel allowance,
:09:45. > :09:48.she's going to knock that off to pay for the pensioners that are
:09:49. > :09:52.higher... I don't think that's right. I know what it is fair but I
:09:53. > :09:58.did not like the idea of it. From what I've heard of the Labour Party
:09:59. > :10:03.I like the manifesto, I must say. With protests ringing in her ears,
:10:04. > :10:05.Theresa May set off to sell division two parts of Britain where the
:10:06. > :10:11.Tories have been shunned the decades. -- to sell her vision.
:10:12. > :10:15.Complacency is would officially banned at Tory HQ but senior
:10:16. > :10:16.ministers are increasingly confident that the Prime Minister appears to
:10:17. > :10:20.be on the verge of victory. Let's speak to our policy
:10:21. > :10:29.editor Chris Cook. You have read all the manifestos of
:10:30. > :10:34.the main parties, Chris, what did you make of this one. One quite
:10:35. > :10:38.striking thing about this is that it doesn't do well in one of the tests
:10:39. > :10:42.are set for the Labour Party when we talked about this on Tuesday. I said
:10:43. > :10:46.one thing you want from a good manifesto is a sense of whether the
:10:47. > :10:49.people behind this have a good enough understanding of the issues,
:10:50. > :10:55.that they have done their homework so that they can credibly deliver.
:10:56. > :10:59.It doesn't mean it is a fully worked out timetable, it is showing a
:11:00. > :11:02.working, showing knowledge. And the odd thing about this one, especially
:11:03. > :11:06.after the Labour and Liberal manifestos which were very detailed,
:11:07. > :11:10.things to contest in all of them but very detailed, there is no working
:11:11. > :11:15.at all in this. It's actually slightly mysterious how much these
:11:16. > :11:21.social care changes will bring in, what these tax changes will do, all
:11:22. > :11:25.this stuff is completely asserted. It's a booklet almost without
:11:26. > :11:26.numbers in it. They give you the answers without the calculations.
:11:27. > :11:28.Thank you Chris,. That's a good point
:11:29. > :11:31.to move on to the Defence His job today was not to defend
:11:32. > :11:35.the country, but the manifesto. I spoke to him this afternoon
:11:36. > :11:38.and asked if I had somehow missed the costings section
:11:39. > :11:46.of the document. Well, what you missed are the wild
:11:47. > :11:50.promises we sought from Labour, all that extraordinary, billions more to
:11:51. > :11:54.be borrowed and so on. What you have seen today our commitments to spend
:11:55. > :11:59.more in two areas, we are already spending more on the NHS, we are
:12:00. > :12:02.spending more on defence but today we announced ?4 billion more for
:12:03. > :12:07.schools and we have made it clear where that is coming from and we
:12:08. > :12:12.have announced additional resources for social care, for the first
:12:13. > :12:16.time... I'm sorry, you have also announced additional resources for
:12:17. > :12:23.the industrial strategy and four and the spending. We have but the two
:12:24. > :12:27.big areas today schools and social care... The costings document that
:12:28. > :12:31.sets out the costs and whether that will work, is that coming later
:12:32. > :12:38.ordered I miss it or is it online? You haven't missed it. Some of these
:12:39. > :12:41.things will depend on the level, for example, we will consult on the
:12:42. > :12:45.level of the means test by which wealthier people will be asked to
:12:46. > :12:52.surrender the winter fuel allowance. So some of the detail is still to be
:12:53. > :12:55.consulted on as you would expect. On the immigration pledge to get
:12:56. > :12:59.immigration down, and you costed that one. As someone done some work
:13:00. > :13:03.and said this is how much it will cost the Exchequer because my
:13:04. > :13:06.understanding is that the Office for Budget Responsibility thinks cutting
:13:07. > :13:10.migration will cost the Exchequer. Have you guys costed that proposal?
:13:11. > :13:14.There has been various academic work done on the cost of immigration. We
:13:15. > :13:18.have made it clear that we accept that there is a cost and we want to
:13:19. > :13:23.make sure that British companies to contribute to the training of
:13:24. > :13:26.British workers when they want to fill that post... Sorry to
:13:27. > :13:31.interrupt, I know you have not got much time. How much is it going to
:13:32. > :13:36.cost the Exchequer to get immigration down by two thirds from
:13:37. > :13:42.its current level? Well we haven't set out a formulation of how much it
:13:43. > :13:47.will reduce by each year, what we have set out as our ambition to
:13:48. > :13:54.continue to bear down... It is a policy to get immigration down to
:13:55. > :13:59.tens of thousands, is it not? It is our ambition... Is it not a policy?
:14:00. > :14:02.It is an ambition and we've had it in previous manifestos. Was the
:14:03. > :14:06.difference between an ambition and a policy, you've had it in previous
:14:07. > :14:10.manifestos and have probably not delivered. I isn't that by repeating
:14:11. > :14:14.it there is some meaning to it this time. It as our aim to bear down on
:14:15. > :14:19.immigration and for the first time it will become easier as we leave
:14:20. > :14:31.the EU, they will be no further entitlement to freedom of movement,
:14:32. > :14:33.at the moment it is animated, anyone in Bulgaria or Lithuania can up
:14:34. > :14:34.sticks and come... Even if we regarded all the EU immigrants
:14:35. > :14:42.you are nowhere near it. Is it something you are going to deliver?
:14:43. > :14:47.It is an aim and we will continue to aim to reduce the level of
:14:48. > :14:51.immigration that we have set out. Sir Michael, this is sounding a
:14:52. > :14:54.little weak. I thought your policy was to get immigration down to the
:14:55. > :14:59.tens of thousands, it sounds like this is not a policy at all. It is,
:15:00. > :15:04.it is our aim and we have said so. We will get it done. Of you costed
:15:05. > :15:08.that proposal, that is my point. You blame Labour for not costing bears,
:15:09. > :15:12.have you costed yours because the OBR says it will cost money. You
:15:13. > :15:28.need to cost proposals where you will
:15:29. > :15:32.spend billions of pounds... That this will cost billions. No, it
:15:33. > :15:34.won't. How do you know if you haven't costed it. The OBR doesn't
:15:35. > :15:37.say it will cost millions, with great respect. If you are going to
:15:38. > :15:39.nationalise an industry they will be an enormous cost to that. We are
:15:40. > :15:41.going to manage properly the number of people coming into this country.
:15:42. > :15:46.The OBR models different migration scenarios and there are billions of
:15:47. > :15:49.pounds of differences that amounts to millions of pounds of Exchequer
:15:50. > :15:55.differences between those assumptions. I put it to you again,
:15:56. > :15:59.have you costed the proposal to get immigration down by two thirds from
:16:00. > :16:03.its current level. We have not because we don't know specifically
:16:04. > :16:07.in what year we will reach that point of reducing it to tens of
:16:08. > :16:11.thousands but we set it out today, you keep interrupting me, we set out
:16:12. > :16:15.the additional charge we will impose on British companies when they are
:16:16. > :16:21.employing other workers, where British people could be taking those
:16:22. > :16:26.jobs so we will be ensuring that there is some payment towards those
:16:27. > :16:29.costs. It sounds like a pledge made in the morning has turned into a
:16:30. > :16:35.vague game which doesn't need costing by the afternoon.
:16:36. > :16:40.Can we move onto another area, the industrial strategy? Theresa May
:16:41. > :16:47.said they want to make the party more prosperous and who will with
:16:48. > :16:51.that. -- will quarrel with that? You have a few pages on this and I was
:16:52. > :16:56.troubled myself to boil it down to what is at the centre of it. What do
:16:57. > :17:00.you see as the heart of the industrial strategy? We have set out
:17:01. > :17:04.our industrial strategy in other documents and we have been
:17:05. > :17:09.consulting on it. It is a policy of providing our industries,
:17:10. > :17:14.particularly in regions outside London, and in ensuring we have the
:17:15. > :17:17.skills base and the focus on the new technologies that will strengthen
:17:18. > :17:21.our economy, and ensure we continue to earn our place in the world. It
:17:22. > :17:30.covers everything from shipbuilding to investment in digital, and a
:17:31. > :17:33.revival through our city deals... The relationship between central
:17:34. > :17:37.government and the mayors in the regions. But what is the actual
:17:38. > :17:43.policy? You have outlined the objective and I understand that.
:17:44. > :17:45.What is the tool that is going to revive, without much money because
:17:46. > :17:50.you said there will not be much money, but what is that will deliver
:17:51. > :17:55.the new industrial strategy, or revive industries in those areas?
:17:56. > :17:59.One of the principal tools is the relationship, as I said, between
:18:00. > :18:01.central and local government, for the first time empowering
:18:02. > :18:06.particularly the mayors in their regions but also the cities of our
:18:07. > :18:11.country, empowering them with local budgets so they can prioritise in
:18:12. > :18:13.their own areas and make the choices needed between improving the
:18:14. > :18:20.infrastructure, improving the human capital and to decide which of the
:18:21. > :18:25.industries they wanted to see grow in their particular areas. And to
:18:26. > :18:30.focus on. That work is already underway, we are consulting on the
:18:31. > :18:34.detail, but this is built around investment in the new technologies,
:18:35. > :18:40.a revival of manufacturing, and an unerring emphasis on skills. Can I
:18:41. > :18:45.ask you, changing the subject, would you say we have had strong and
:18:46. > :18:49.stable government for the last two years, between this and the last
:18:50. > :18:53.election? We have had a relatively small majority in parliament. And we
:18:54. > :18:58.have had to deal with the aftermath of the referendum result, and we
:18:59. > :19:01.need to get through implementing the referendum, and we need to get on
:19:02. > :19:08.beyond Brexit to build a stronger and fairer Britain, and that is why
:19:09. > :19:12.we need a stronger and more stable Government for Theresa May to deal
:19:13. > :19:16.with both of those challenges. I think most people looking back over
:19:17. > :19:20.the last couple of years would consider them the two most unstable
:19:21. > :19:23.years since the Second World War in the history of this country, and I
:19:24. > :19:26.just wonder why we should believe you when you say you will be strong
:19:27. > :19:30.and stable this time as opposed to the coalition of chaos or whatever
:19:31. > :19:34.your slogan is, when you use the same formulation or the two years
:19:35. > :19:38.ago before inaugurating two of the most unstable years anyone can
:19:39. > :19:43.remember? Theresa May made clear today when she wants the manifesto
:19:44. > :19:50.that the challenge of negotiating a successful exit from the European
:19:51. > :19:52.Union is one of the difficult things any government is doing in this
:19:53. > :19:55.country and has done since the Second World War, and to do that you
:19:56. > :20:00.do need stable leadership, you do need strong government, back here at
:20:01. > :20:03.home, and that is why she is requesting this fresh mandate from
:20:04. > :20:09.the British people that will enable her not just to do that but to go
:20:10. > :20:12.beyond Brexit and build a stronger and fairer Britain that can ever in
:20:13. > :20:16.its place in the world. Sur Michael Fallon, thank you very much indeed.
:20:17. > :20:23.Has Theresa May cracked Britain's social care problem?
:20:24. > :20:29.-- Sir Michael Fallon, thank you very much indeed.
:20:30. > :20:31.The immediate problem is that it is underfunded, the long
:20:32. > :20:34.term problem is that we haven't found a way of helping people
:20:35. > :20:37.who need care pay for it, other than suggesting they burn
:20:38. > :20:40.The manifesto today basically continues that approach.
:20:41. > :20:42.Overall, however, the document is not stuffed with largesse
:20:43. > :20:45.That might be said to be a break with the past.
:20:46. > :20:48.Chris Cook has been looking at what it implies for pensioners.
:20:49. > :20:55.This year the Conservative Party is getting a lot of support
:20:56. > :20:59.from older voters, but it is watering down its support for them.
:21:00. > :21:01.A Conservative Government would not renew the so-called triple lock
:21:02. > :21:05.on the state pension when it expires in 2020.
:21:06. > :21:12.The pension will still rise with prices or earnings -
:21:13. > :21:14.whichever is higher - but they will no longer be a minimum
:21:15. > :21:18.On current forecasts scrapping the triple lock does not make
:21:19. > :21:21.a great deal of difference at all in the coming years,
:21:22. > :21:25.They were quite recently, and in past years the triple lock
:21:26. > :21:29.And in the long term, even if the forecasts are right,
:21:30. > :21:37.the triple lock does add up to start costing quite a lot of money,
:21:38. > :21:40.so it is an important shift in that sense
:21:41. > :21:45.and it is also a really symbolic shift with billions of pounds
:21:46. > :21:48.still to come out of working-age benefits in coming years.
:21:49. > :21:50.It marks a slightly different approach in terms
:21:51. > :21:53.Which generations and which age groups the Conservative
:21:54. > :21:56.The most eye-catching proposal, though, is for a big change
:21:57. > :22:00.At the moment, if you are in a residential home,
:22:01. > :22:02.you have to pay for it until you have ?23,250
:22:03. > :22:04.left in possession, which is when state
:22:05. > :22:14.That calculation includes all your assets, including your house. People
:22:15. > :22:19.in this situation would be winners from these plans. Everything stays
:22:20. > :22:25.the same for them, but the state takes over funding their care
:22:26. > :22:29.earlier, when they hit ?100,000 of assets, so their potential care bill
:22:30. > :22:34.is smaller. What we also see is those people worried that there are
:22:35. > :22:36.savings, that they have done the right thing and see through their
:22:37. > :22:40.lives and are worried their savings will dwindle to virtually nothing,
:22:41. > :22:46.we are quadrupling the threshold at which assets will be protected to
:22:47. > :22:49.that ?100,000. F, though, you're receiving care at home, things are
:22:50. > :22:56.different. At the moment those people have to pay for care through
:22:57. > :23:04.their assets until they hit ?20,250 when the state help starts. It
:23:05. > :23:06.houses are excluded from that sum, so people looked after in their
:23:07. > :23:09.homes have to run down their savings but get to keep their homes. Under
:23:10. > :23:13.the Tory plans they would stop running down their own cash sooner
:23:14. > :23:17.when they hit ?100,000, but the value of their houses will be
:23:18. > :23:20.included in the means test, saw a lot of people in care at home,
:23:21. > :23:25.so-called domiciliary care, would now be liable to pay much more. The
:23:26. > :23:31.Tories have also promised, though, that payment of money from housing
:23:32. > :23:34.assets can be delayed until the care recipient dies. Those elderly people
:23:35. > :23:38.who have been worried about how they pay for care in their home want to
:23:39. > :23:41.have to worry about that in the future. They will not have to pay
:23:42. > :23:45.while they are still alive, they will... Nothing will be paid. They
:23:46. > :23:49.will not have to sell their home while they have been living in it.
:23:50. > :23:54.The plan is intended to get more cash out of pensioners well not
:23:55. > :23:58.demanding they leave home. A major objective for people like
:23:59. > :24:05.97-year-old Tony Barsky. I have been offered the opportunity to go into a
:24:06. > :24:09.care home, but I would like to be here, to spend the rest of my life
:24:10. > :24:15.here, surrounded by my belongings and everything running on that
:24:16. > :24:22.basis. I don't want to be out of this place. The key things to
:24:23. > :24:27.celebrate about today's position on social care are bringing money into
:24:28. > :24:32.the system, bringing assets into the table to pump much-needed cash into
:24:33. > :24:40.a social care system which is really struggling and underfunded. At the
:24:41. > :24:43.same time, providing more care to poorer pensioners and protecting
:24:44. > :24:47.more poorer pensioners' assets whether they live in a care home
:24:48. > :24:51.residential home. Those that are welcome. Previous proposals to
:24:52. > :24:54.reform social care have also identified a problem that these
:24:55. > :24:58.proposals simply do not touch. Namely, the fact that if you are
:24:59. > :25:03.unlucky enough to have very poor health in your old age, you also get
:25:04. > :25:09.billed for it, so families, individual families, bear the
:25:10. > :25:13.financial risk of illness in old age. So this change puts more money
:25:14. > :25:21.into the existing care system, in the form of that housing wealth held
:25:22. > :25:24.by the 670,000 -- the people in domiciliary care in England but it
:25:25. > :25:32.does not seek to make life less compression is. The people who need
:25:33. > :25:35.most help will still be asked to pay the most.
:25:36. > :25:38.So we now have the Tory manifesto and we can try to define
:25:39. > :25:41.what the party is all about under Theresa May.
:25:42. > :25:43.And a good time to deploy our blackboard.
:25:44. > :25:50.You'll pick up the rules as we play the game.
:25:51. > :25:53.We have the left-right spectrum along here on the X axis; this
:25:54. > :25:59.And then up the side, on the Y axis, it goes
:26:00. > :26:05.from the outward, globalist position to nationalist, or protectionist.
:26:06. > :26:11.Let's call that nationalised even though it says protectionist there.
:26:12. > :26:14.Let's call that nationalist even though it says protectionist
:26:15. > :26:16.And we have three seasoned political commentators with us to place
:26:17. > :26:19.Theresa May and other Tory grandees on the scale.
:26:20. > :26:37.Paul Mason, who's off this scale on the left.
:26:38. > :26:40.We have Iain Dale, on the right, LBC presenter.
:26:41. > :26:55.Miranda, where would you put Theresa May? I will put her down here, quite
:26:56. > :27:00.protectionist, and left of the Tory party Y axis. But as a champion of
:27:01. > :27:05.the free market, as a globalist she could be more up here. Can I... We
:27:06. > :27:07.should not forget one of the extraordinary thing is happening is
:27:08. > :27:12.the Conservative Party dumping the Single Market... Which was her
:27:13. > :27:20.thing. Yes, so I would definitely put her down here, and whether you
:27:21. > :27:24.want to call it red Toryism, and I know she denied there was such a
:27:25. > :27:33.thing as May-ism... You will put her down there. Paul, how would you
:27:34. > :27:37.position this? Look, there are no Uihleins left a smash, nothing left
:27:38. > :27:44.to privatise, so it is hard to be as right-wing as Thatcher -- there are
:27:45. > :27:48.no unions left to smash. Protectionist, down there. She is an
:27:49. > :27:51.economic nationalised. There is one sentence in that manifesto that
:27:52. > :27:55.reveals that, her preparedness to walk away from Europe without a
:27:56. > :28:01.deal. She could have left that out. I think the idea of literally
:28:02. > :28:04.declaring UDI from Europe, leaving ourselves and economy with no
:28:05. > :28:08.market, that is quite nationalised. I think until we know how this is
:28:09. > :28:13.costed, how big is the state going to be when they eventually get rid
:28:14. > :28:16.of the deficit in the mid 2020s, then we don't know really how the
:28:17. > :28:21.left and right it is and that is why it is a good question, what is the
:28:22. > :28:25.economic content... Miranda put there on the left presumably because
:28:26. > :28:31.of the economic measures, sending quite left-wing... Intervening in
:28:32. > :28:37.markets, controlling executive pay. Not the sort of free-market, liberal
:28:38. > :28:43.market Toryism we are used in the last couple of decades. Shouldn't
:28:44. > :28:49.you be her? No, it is a form of bright Toryism. And I did cover the
:28:50. > :28:57.rise of Cameron, and he was a genuinely liberal conservative. This
:28:58. > :29:00.is antiliberal conservativism. What about you, Iain? I will disagree
:29:01. > :29:03.with your positioning of David Cameron because I actually think he
:29:04. > :29:07.is to the right of John Major. I would put him more up here as well.
:29:08. > :29:12.Margaret Thatcher I think is absolutely right. But you could make
:29:13. > :29:17.a good case for going further up. I want you to put Theresa May on the
:29:18. > :29:23.map. If you had asked this question yesterday I would have put her
:29:24. > :29:27.somewhere around here. Oh, really? Today I would put her somewhere
:29:28. > :29:32.around here, and the reason is if you are going to be a globalist, you
:29:33. > :29:34.don't penalised companies for bringing in skilled workers from
:29:35. > :29:38.overseas and that is what she has done today in this manifesto, a
:29:39. > :29:41.bizarre thing to do in my view. If you're going to be an outward
:29:42. > :29:46.looking country after Brexit you want to recruit the strongest, the
:29:47. > :29:51.best... You or more of an economic liberal on things like immigration
:29:52. > :29:57.than she is? Absolutely. Thanks, Iain. And you wrote a book on the
:29:58. > :30:01.history of Tory manifesto is from 1900. I edited a collection of them.
:30:02. > :30:06.I would not say I wrote them. I did the Liberals as well, just to prove
:30:07. > :30:10.what a sad geek I am. What do you think of this one as a pitch? It is
:30:11. > :30:15.very Theresa May in that there is not a lot in it. This general
:30:16. > :30:19.election is about her against Corbyn, not about policy, in her
:30:20. > :30:23.view, and it is also not about Brexit. It is strange there are only
:30:24. > :30:27.two pages in this manifesto about Brexit. A little similar to Margaret
:30:28. > :30:32.Thatcher's manifesto in 79 in the sense it is very vague and general
:30:33. > :30:36.but if you are Tory canvasser going out tomorrow what is the standout
:30:37. > :30:40.policy in this document you go on sale on the doorstep? I'm afraid I
:30:41. > :30:44.can't think of one. That is right and there are some real risks in it.
:30:45. > :30:48.This idea of challenging older people who are sitting on a lot of
:30:49. > :30:52.assets, telling them they will have to pay for their own care, you would
:30:53. > :31:01.only do that and make that sort of proposition to the electorate if you
:31:02. > :31:04.were so secure of your victory and so secure of those older voters but
:31:05. > :31:07.it is a risk. I read something saying if you can't basically do
:31:08. > :31:11.some of this now you will not be able to do it, when you are 50%
:31:12. > :31:13.ahead in the polls. If she gets a big landslide it will be important
:31:14. > :31:19.for her to confront some of these issues early on. Paul, you disagreed
:31:20. > :31:23.with she goes, telling us this left and right thing is not working in
:31:24. > :31:29.British politics at the moment... In the space of week both parties have
:31:30. > :31:33.effectively the fact to change the momentum. Labour is now a Keynesian
:31:34. > :31:38.big state interventionist party like it was before and is anti-austerity,
:31:39. > :31:41.and it interesting thing about the Conservatives, how often have you or
:31:42. > :31:47.I when I worked your sat in the studio and spoke about austerity and
:31:48. > :31:51.about the sums adding up? That is gone. Labour are substantiated the
:31:52. > :31:57.fiscal case behind their manifesto better than the Conservatives. I
:31:58. > :32:01.want to say one thing. The attack on pensioners, on the taxpayer, so she
:32:02. > :32:04.will probably raise national insurance and income tax, it goes
:32:05. > :32:11.along side the inability any more to do what Duncan, -- Duncan Smith and
:32:12. > :32:13.Cameron did, to attack those welfare benefits. I think conservatives
:32:14. > :32:19.alike realise there is no further road to go down there. One thing I
:32:20. > :32:22.was taught about the history of the Conservative Party, it was
:32:23. > :32:25.fantastically adaptable and would reinvent itself every few decades to
:32:26. > :32:28.suit the new mood, bring more people into its tent, and the world would
:32:29. > :32:34.be safe under the Tories again. Is this one of those big moments, do
:32:35. > :32:35.you think, Miranda, or is it just another manifesto that will be
:32:36. > :32:47.forgotten? Or is it really decisive? It feels like a moment today because
:32:48. > :32:50.it feels as if Theresa May and the people around her designing these
:32:51. > :32:55.policies have decided to come in this brilliantly opportunistic way
:32:56. > :33:01.that the Tories have always been good at, occupy the ground that has
:33:02. > :33:05.been abandoned, claimed that Labour territory which is all about
:33:06. > :33:10.sticking up for working families, in the parlance. We have yet to see if
:33:11. > :33:15.this audacious land grab works because a lot of it, as Iain rightly
:33:16. > :33:19.said, the details are not there. For example, something I am interested
:33:20. > :33:23.in is the skills agenda. If you could solve the missing bits of the
:33:24. > :33:31.educational programme in this country and create a decent
:33:32. > :33:34.educational... But can it? Just to finish, Iain, do you think this is a
:33:35. > :33:39.big moment in the history of the Tory party, a reinvention of curling
:33:40. > :33:43.or not. I think we are in the middle of that. I think today is not that
:33:44. > :33:48.moment, June the 8th of May well be and it is about defining herself in
:33:49. > :33:53.opposition to Cameron, if you like. But there are lots of individual
:33:54. > :33:56.policies in this and a festival like domestic violence policies that you
:33:57. > :34:01.would not have gotten a previous manifestos. Liberal parts but they
:34:02. > :34:04.are almost obliterated by the ridiculous immigration pledge. We
:34:05. > :34:07.had better leave it there. Thank you all very much.
:34:08. > :34:09.A big question in this election is what happens to people
:34:10. > :34:13.Many of them don't have a Ukip candidate this time; many others
:34:14. > :34:18.Now in many Labour seats there were enough Ukip voters last
:34:19. > :34:21.time to put a Tory into Westminster this time, if they all wanted to.
:34:22. > :34:23.Hartlepool is one of those constituencies, so the question
:34:24. > :34:26.is how the Conservative Party offer is going down with the folks there?
:34:27. > :34:28.Is it enough to turn Ukip voters into Tories?
:34:29. > :34:39.Hartlepool washed in warm sunshine gives off an air of unreality,
:34:40. > :34:45.The town has earned its place in electoral history
:34:46. > :34:51.as much through mythology as through psephology.
:34:52. > :34:53.Legend has it they hanged a shipwrecked monkey
:34:54. > :34:56.as a Frenchman in Napoleonic days, but the election of the self-styled
:34:57. > :34:59.monkey candidate for mayor - not once, but twice -
:35:00. > :35:07.And it was here that the former MP Peter Mandelson was once accused
:35:08. > :35:10.of mistaking mushy peas for guacamole in a local
:35:11. > :35:13.He didn't, of course - it was a gimmick joke,
:35:14. > :35:16.but it stuck because it played to a delicious cliche,
:35:17. > :35:20.the Southern Metropolitan confusing his northern culture.
:35:21. > :35:23.Mandelson surfed in here in the wave of New Labour,
:35:24. > :35:35.This time the Tories are hoping to hoover them up.
:35:36. > :35:37.But with the launch of today's manifesto, the mushy pea
:35:38. > :35:48.Can Conservatives, long shunned in the industrial north-east,
:35:49. > :35:51.convince Hartlepool they're on the side of -
:35:52. > :35:52.to coin today's phrase - ordinary working people
:35:53. > :35:57.Mostly, I've only ever voted for one other party and that was last year
:35:58. > :36:00.And what's bringing you back to Conservative?
:36:01. > :36:09.I want to leave the European Union and I think Theresa May is the only
:36:10. > :36:11.person who's going to get us out of the European Union
:36:12. > :36:16.Labour, I've always been Labour because it's
:36:17. > :36:19.Right, so nothing will change your mind?
:36:20. > :36:26.I think they're more for people who haven't got a lot of money,
:36:27. > :36:32.because what the Conservatives have done recently, it's...
:36:33. > :36:35.There hasn't been a Tory MP in this part of the world for over 50 years,
:36:36. > :36:39.but there is an audacity of approach this time.
:36:40. > :36:41.They've sent a big beast, David Davis, here to
:36:42. > :36:50.Over lunch, I ask him if he thinks it's an ambition too far.
:36:51. > :36:52.What we're seeing on the doorsteps is people who've never voted
:36:53. > :36:55.Conservative in their lives before saying they're going to vote
:36:56. > :36:58.for Theresa May because they think that she will deliver a better deal
:36:59. > :37:04.Are you more of a mushy peas man or a guacamole man?
:37:05. > :37:11.Being me and being so working class I'm mushy peas, I'm afraid.
:37:12. > :37:13.In Mandelson's seat it's a good question.
:37:14. > :37:15.Do you mind if I leave you one of these?
:37:16. > :37:17.I'm your Conservative candidate during the election.
:37:18. > :37:19.Carl Jackson is hoping to win Hartlepool for the Conservatives.
:37:20. > :37:22.He's currently a councillor in Buckinghamshire,
:37:23. > :37:26.Don't they say, what are you doing up here?
:37:27. > :37:28.Well, I'm not going to pretend to have been
:37:29. > :37:29.born in Hartlepool - I wasn't.
:37:30. > :37:31.It didn't seem to stop Peter Mandelson being
:37:32. > :37:38.He was born in one of the poshest parts of London.
:37:39. > :37:40.But I have family from the north-east and this is an area
:37:41. > :37:44.I know, it is an area I care about, and it's an area which
:37:45. > :37:52.Do you mind if I leave you with a leaflet just with a few points.
:37:53. > :38:00.He voted for Brexit, as did 70% of Hartlepool,
:38:01. > :38:02.so does that mean job done for Ukip here?
:38:03. > :38:05.For from it, says Phillip Broughton, the only one of the candidates
:38:06. > :38:11.who stood last time, when he came second.
:38:12. > :38:14.I think the Tories know that this is a Ukip -
:38:15. > :38:20.seat, and Ukip or Labour is going to win, and people have got
:38:21. > :38:22.a very clear choice, Emily, on June 8th.
:38:23. > :38:24.If the vote Conservative or they vote Labour they will get
:38:25. > :38:28.a Labour MP and nothing will change and it will be business as usual.
:38:29. > :38:30.And I've lived in the town for 18-odd years...
:38:31. > :38:32.Mike Hill suddenly found himself the prospective Labour candidate
:38:33. > :38:34.when Iain Wright stepped down as the election was called.
:38:35. > :38:37.I was just listening to that at the moment, the Government
:38:38. > :38:40.Motorbike licences - a reminder that even in this big
:38:41. > :38:43.week of manifestos most people are just thinking about
:38:44. > :38:47.I'm sure it's going to be a hard fight to claw back for Labour...
:38:48. > :38:50.Because if the Tories pick up that Ukip vote this time around,
:38:51. > :39:03.The conversations I am having a very positive.
:39:04. > :39:07.I represent a fresh start for Labour in this town and that's
:39:08. > :39:11.The gleaming marina speaks to a Hartlepool reborn,
:39:12. > :39:14.but the thousands of jobs lost here when heavy industry shutdown
:39:15. > :39:17.The Conservatives have never really cared about Hartlepool,
:39:18. > :39:20.and I don't think the leopard's going to change its spots.
:39:21. > :39:22.I think as soon as the media's gone, they'll ravage Hartlepool.
:39:23. > :39:25.Labour have had many many chances in Hartlepool,
:39:26. > :39:34.both nationally and locally, and as I walk around
:39:35. > :39:37.the town and speak to people there are very despondent
:39:38. > :39:41.There's an appetite with Brexit for a fresh start here, but don't
:39:42. > :39:44.Hartlepool's headland has seen the ebb and flow of centuries
:39:45. > :39:55.Their defences may now prove too solid.
:39:56. > :40:01.Emily in Hartlepool. I am afraid the labels on the Ukip and Labour
:40:02. > :40:06.candidates were the wrong way round so the Ukip guy was first and the
:40:07. > :40:10.Labour guy was after him, I think that was obvious from some of the
:40:11. > :40:18.content. Is this a momentous moment, the Daily Mail thinks so if you look
:40:19. > :40:20.at the headline, the Tories, 84 page manifesto unveiling Mayism, she
:40:21. > :40:24.hates, politics entered a new era. That's all we've got
:40:25. > :41:02.time for this evening. # In the sun on my disgrace
:41:03. > :41:15.# Some moustache... # Call my name and I hear you scream
:41:16. > :41:23.again. # Black hole sound, won't you come
:41:24. > :41:26.and wash away the rain # Black hole Sun, won't you come
:41:27. > :41:27.# Won't you come