:00:10. > :00:15.Politics has never looked more lowly job. Tonight as her top aides quit,
:00:16. > :00:18.the PM seems more isolated than ever.
:00:19. > :00:21.Ferociously loyal and always in step, Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy
:00:22. > :00:27.What's protecting Theresa May right now is not the loyalty,
:00:28. > :00:29.the respect or even the fear of her party.
:00:30. > :00:32.It's the fact that they can't see anyone obvious with
:00:33. > :00:36.Nor can they see an obvious process to find that person that doesn't
:00:37. > :00:38.risk plunging the party and the government into
:00:39. > :00:45.There were frustrations in the party.
:00:46. > :00:48.It was about whether or not all of us felt included in her project.
:00:49. > :00:51.Is Europe laughing at us or as confused as we are?
:00:52. > :00:55.Mark Urban speaks to Angela Merkel's right-hand man.
:00:56. > :01:02.We should go into the details as soon as possible.
:01:03. > :01:06.And do we have to define a new direction for Britain now?
:01:07. > :01:23.We speak to Nigel Farage, Simon Schama and Kerry Ann Mendoza.
:01:24. > :01:25.Good evening and Welcome to Westminster.
:01:26. > :01:32.Do not be fooled by the gentle breeze of a summer weekend.
:01:33. > :01:35.Today saw no calm, no respite in the pace of change
:01:36. > :01:38.and power-shifting that gives this place its identity.
:01:39. > :01:40.Senior Conservatives began the day calling for the resignation
:01:41. > :01:47.of Theresa May's joint chiefs of staff.
:01:48. > :01:49.By the afternoon, they got what they wanted.
:01:50. > :01:51.Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill were known for their unwavering loyalty.
:01:52. > :01:54.The PM was accused of relying on them too heavily,
:01:55. > :01:56.closing her eyes to a more collegiate, consensual
:01:57. > :02:15.Yet these chiefs of staff were at the very heart of government.
:02:16. > :02:21.They knew how to shield her from the hostile parts of the job
:02:22. > :02:25.They were not just moral support, they were, Nick Clegg told us,
:02:26. > :02:27.instrumental to practically every decision she took.
:02:28. > :02:29.I asked her not to bring the special advisers
:02:30. > :02:32.with her into the meetings that I used to have with her because I
:02:33. > :02:35.found it all rather disruptive, but I did find that,
:02:36. > :02:38.as a result, I could never get a decision out of her
:02:39. > :02:45.in the meetings because she'd have to go back and I assume test her
:02:46. > :02:48.ideas and test my suggestions with people around her.
:02:49. > :02:51.Nick Timothy offered reason for his resignation by letter,
:02:52. > :02:57.nodding to the high number of Conservative votes on Thursday,
:02:58. > :02:59.but accepting his part too in the disaster that was the social
:03:00. > :03:01.care policy, admitting he should have offered
:03:02. > :03:07.a cap as well as a floor for the cost of it.
:03:08. > :03:11.She was known to rub many in Number 10 up the wrong way.
:03:12. > :03:14.Her erratic behaviour became the stuff of hushed legend.
:03:15. > :03:17.Insiders will tell you of the time she spat at the Chancellor Philip
:03:18. > :03:20.Hammond or the sweary texts she wrote to elected ministers.
:03:21. > :03:26.The party's former Director of Communications didn't
:03:27. > :03:31.Katie Perrier accused them both of creating a dysfunctional
:03:32. > :03:34.and toxic atmosphere in Downing Street.
:03:35. > :03:37.We were going into an 8.30 meeting every morning at Theresa May's
:03:38. > :03:42.office and the atmosphere would be great if the Chief of Staff were not
:03:43. > :03:44.there and terrible if the chief of Staff were there.
:03:45. > :03:50.And so we would be able to speak freely if they weren't around
:03:51. > :03:53.and if they were around, you don't speak.
:03:54. > :03:55.But it was senior Tories who demanded their heads.
:03:56. > :03:57.They wouldn't have gone if they hadn't intended
:03:58. > :04:03.They were meant to be the sacrifice, the front-line casualties
:04:04. > :04:06.protecting their general from further arrows but,
:04:07. > :04:09.whatever the objective, their departure leaves Theresa May
:04:10. > :04:15.A bleeding swimmer in shark-infested waters when the boat sails
:04:16. > :04:23.For a day or two certainly, it gives her breathing space.
:04:24. > :04:25.But Jeremy Corbyn is still waiting in the wings.
:04:26. > :04:32.Our political editor Nick Watt is here.
:04:33. > :04:42.Talk today of a DUP Alliance or coalition. Howard that work-out?
:04:43. > :04:46.Gavin Williamson has been in Northern Ireland today meeting
:04:47. > :04:50.Arlene Foster, the leader of the DUP and other DUP leaders and I am tell
:04:51. > :04:54.down looking at the full range of possibilities from just an informal
:04:55. > :04:59.and are taking all the way through to a fault coalition agreement and I
:05:00. > :05:04.am told what the DUP are looking at is securing welfare benefits, so
:05:05. > :05:07.keep the pension triple lock and preserve universal benefits such as
:05:08. > :05:12.the winter fuel allowance for pensioners. It allows the DUP to say
:05:13. > :05:17.when just acting in the interests of Northern Ireland but are acting in
:05:18. > :05:22.the interests of the whole of the UK. And then it would allow the
:05:23. > :05:26.Tories to remove parts of their manifesto that became so toxic with
:05:27. > :05:30.pensioners. I spoke to one senior source quoting Lynton Crosby, the
:05:31. > :05:35.man who ran the Conservative campaign in the final stages, who
:05:36. > :05:38.would allow the Tories to remove the barnacles from the boat. It sounds
:05:39. > :05:43.like she's preparing to stay but wasn't always that way? It's a
:05:44. > :05:46.feverish atmosphere at the moment and there is uncertainty among
:05:47. > :05:52.Cabinet ministers over the long-term future of the Prime Minister and I
:05:53. > :05:54.am told in this rather feeble atmosphere, serious consideration
:05:55. > :05:57.was given in the early hours of Friday morning as to whether the
:05:58. > :06:03.Prime Minister should resign. I am told by the time of her counting in
:06:04. > :06:08.Maidenhead, and she was in trouble, the Prime Minister was completely
:06:09. > :06:12.devastated. There was even talk of resignation speech was drafted in
:06:13. > :06:16.the early hours of Friday morning, the idea was the primaries to would
:06:17. > :06:20.make a statement later won on Friday. As I understand it, what
:06:21. > :06:24.happened was amid the uncertainty over the result, senior Tory figures
:06:25. > :06:29.said that they should look at how to respond to all outcomes of the
:06:30. > :06:33.election but it's the duty of any Prime Minister to respond to all
:06:34. > :06:38.those various outcomes and remember, for a brief period, there was even
:06:39. > :06:42.talk Jeremy Corbyn might be the largest party but it soon became
:06:43. > :06:48.clear that Theresa May would lead the largest party and, at that
:06:49. > :06:51.point, it was her duty as she later said on Friday, two former
:06:52. > :06:56.Government. Which is why we are looking towards a reshuffle this
:06:57. > :07:01.evening. Yes, we were expecting a full reshuffle earlier on today. As
:07:02. > :07:05.I understand it, it has been described as the last blast
:07:06. > :07:09.reshuffle. Basically reappointing the mainly existing cabinet and the
:07:10. > :07:13.phrase they are saying, alas top last reshuffle until the leadership
:07:14. > :07:18.of the Conservative Party is sorted out. That means either Theresa May
:07:19. > :07:20.does continue when she has a full deal with the DUP or there is a
:07:21. > :07:24.contest. Nick, thanks very much. In politics, as President FD
:07:25. > :07:26.Roosevelt once remarked, If it happens, you can
:07:27. > :07:29.bet it was planned. To suggest the country knew it
:07:30. > :07:31.would elect a minority Conservative government backed up,
:07:32. > :07:33.potentially, by the DUP But perhaps the electorate knew
:07:34. > :07:37.what it was doing when it refused to wholly embrace either Theresa May
:07:38. > :07:40.or Jeremy Corbyn in their whole Many accepted beliefs turned
:07:41. > :07:46.out to be plain wrong. We, as a country,
:07:47. > :07:48.particularly perhaps the young, are learning we have more
:07:49. > :07:52.of a voice than we believed. So what does this election suggest
:07:53. > :07:55.about a new direction for Britain now, and does that mean the last
:07:56. > :07:58.one was wrong, or our appetite This is the first full day
:07:59. > :08:05.of minority government Britain. The rising sun, however,
:08:06. > :08:07.provided little warmth to Theresa May - nor much
:08:08. > :08:13.illumination of her path forward. What's protecting Theresa May right
:08:14. > :08:16.now is not the loyalty, the respect, It's the fact that they can't
:08:17. > :08:21.see anyone obvious with whom to replace her,
:08:22. > :08:24.nor can they see an obvious process to find that person that doesn't
:08:25. > :08:26.risk plunging the government In the words of the poet
:08:27. > :08:34.Hilare Belloc, they are only holding onto nurse for fear
:08:35. > :08:40.of finding something worse. There may be little public activity,
:08:41. > :08:43.but in WhatsApp chat groups and in private discreet telephone
:08:44. > :08:47.conversations, Conservative MP are venting their anger
:08:48. > :08:50.about what happened to their party Ed Vaizey was
:08:51. > :08:54.close to David Cameron, He believes Theresa May must now
:08:55. > :09:00.change both her approach and her policies if she's
:09:01. > :09:04.to hold the party together. She will, I think, have to make sure
:09:05. > :09:08.that she takes us all with her. That it becomes a very inclusive
:09:09. > :09:11.government that reaches out And I hope as well that she will
:09:12. > :09:18.have read the tea leaves in terms And the message that I got loud
:09:19. > :09:24.and clear is that voters have We can't any more talk about no deal
:09:25. > :09:31.being better than a bad deal. The view that the nature of Brexit
:09:32. > :09:34.will have to change is supported by the fact that the Conservatives'
:09:35. > :09:36.new partners, the ten MPs of the DUP, want the UK to stay
:09:37. > :09:41.in the customs union, and want a frictionless border
:09:42. > :09:44.in Northern Ireland. So is this the end of what critics
:09:45. > :09:48.call a hard Brexit? We've got to remember that
:09:49. > :09:51.Labour lost this election. You know, when given the choice
:09:52. > :09:54.as to who should lead the country through the Brexit negotiations,
:09:55. > :09:59.people, by a majority on the popular And they did that in the
:10:00. > :10:04.full knowledge of the plan that she's laid out,
:10:05. > :10:06.set out in her Lancaster House speech, which sets out
:10:07. > :10:09.that we want to guarantee the rights of EU citizens as quickly
:10:10. > :10:12.as possible, but that we want to be a global nation determining
:10:13. > :10:15.our own trade policy. That we want to have our
:10:16. > :10:19.supremacy over our courts. And I think that those,
:10:20. > :10:21.amongst other issues, are the clear objectives of Brexit,
:10:22. > :10:25.and that really is what In the '70s, a minority
:10:26. > :10:32.Labour administration. Lord Armstrong was principal
:10:33. > :10:35.private secretary to the then 1974 does demonstrate that
:10:36. > :10:44.when you have a government which has not got a firm overall majority,
:10:45. > :10:50.then the great uncertainty that prevails spreads
:10:51. > :10:54.over a lots of things. Certainly over the
:10:55. > :10:58.Brexit negotiations. But over the matters
:10:59. > :11:03.of policy as well. It will affect all the
:11:04. > :11:07.social welfare legislation, which the Conservatives
:11:08. > :11:12.announced that they wanted. It will affect great
:11:13. > :11:15.many things, I think. All this, and in just nine days'
:11:16. > :11:18.time the government will present a Queen's Speech to parliament,
:11:19. > :11:22.and Brexit negotiations with the rest of Europe
:11:23. > :11:24.are scheduled to start. Theresa May's weakness in her party,
:11:25. > :11:28.and in Parliament, make these Lord Barker - Greg Barker
:11:29. > :11:45.is a former minster under Can she survive this? That remains
:11:46. > :11:51.to be seen. It'll be the mood of the Parliamentary party when they come
:11:52. > :11:55.together that will really judge that about I dictate that there is
:11:56. > :11:59.certainly no appetite in the party for an immediate leadership contest.
:12:00. > :12:02.So I think we'll have to see what the Commons has to say when they
:12:03. > :12:08.meet. How does she stay in place when there is so much anger in
:12:09. > :12:13.Conservative homes, two thirds of MPs saying she should go? There is
:12:14. > :12:16.no trust left, is there? There is clearly not going to be another
:12:17. > :12:20.election with Theresa May at the head. We discovered that she's a
:12:21. > :12:24.competent minister. Potentially a tough negotiator but a terrible
:12:25. > :12:31.campaigner. So I think the Parliamentary party, if this
:12:32. > :12:34.potential agreement with the DUP sticks, and there would be a general
:12:35. > :12:38.election for several years potentially five years, it gives
:12:39. > :12:40.Theresa May sometime for the Parliamentary party and the wider
:12:41. > :12:45.party to work out what they actually want to replace her. You are in the
:12:46. > :12:49.Lords, not an MP. There will be many who were very, very worried about
:12:50. > :12:53.their seats and lost them. In your opinion, should she go now for
:12:54. > :12:59.watches done? I think, as I said, there's no way we wanted to leaders
:13:00. > :13:04.into another election. The question of timing now was critical. This is
:13:05. > :13:12.unlike David Cameron's position after the Brexit about because we
:13:13. > :13:15.are right on the edge of serious negotiations. We learn from David
:13:16. > :13:20.Cameron, people wished he had not 's gone so quickly. I'm certainly one
:13:21. > :13:25.of them. I don't think the Tory party will make the mistakes of
:13:26. > :13:28.pushing out the leader. That suggests Brexit the gauche Asians
:13:29. > :13:33.will be on track. Do you believe that to be the case, though? It is
:13:34. > :13:39.chicken and egg, isn't it? If the leader is not in place, the Brexit
:13:40. > :13:42.negotiations will be pushed back. If Theresa May can come and confidence
:13:43. > :13:49.of the party in the Commons, then I think it will be on track. Would you
:13:50. > :13:53.like to be on track? We need to know what is the Brexit negotiation
:13:54. > :13:56.aiming to achieve? I'm very much agreeing with what Ed Vaizey said in
:13:57. > :14:03.your piece there that we need to think again about what the Brexit we
:14:04. > :14:07.are going to be pushing for looks like and certainly I think hard
:14:08. > :14:11.Brexit has had its day and need a greater consensus, not just within
:14:12. > :14:15.the party, but Theresa May needs to play a national role and forge a
:14:16. > :14:19.greater consensus across the House of Commons on what Brexit should
:14:20. > :14:24.look like. That is the role of. If she could transcend parties, and try
:14:25. > :14:29.to bring people together... It hard Brexit has had its day, presumably
:14:30. > :14:33.she would not be the right person to see it through. Are there not other
:14:34. > :14:37.people you can see taking on the helm who perhaps understand this new
:14:38. > :14:42.mood of the country better than she clearly did? I think in the long
:14:43. > :14:50.term, that's right. It's not if, but when. Who? We need someone who can
:14:51. > :14:54.campaign, is articulate, more animated than Theresa May, but also
:14:55. > :14:58.has the values that will capture the imagination of younger voters as
:14:59. > :15:02.well as our traditional base. That is quite a tall order for them the
:15:03. > :15:08.only person I can see who might fit that bill would be Amber Rudd, but
:15:09. > :15:14.use only been in the Cabinet a couple of years. You would rule out
:15:15. > :15:17.Boris Johnson, David Davis, people who align along the Brexit, hard
:15:18. > :15:24.Brexit line? What we do know is that you've got
:15:25. > :15:28.to be able to go to the electric with more than one message. The idea
:15:29. > :15:32.that you can have a single issue election whenever it comes is for
:15:33. > :15:36.the birds. In electing a Tory leader, we've got to have someone
:15:37. > :15:40.that can speak to the whole Conservative agenda, and that agenda
:15:41. > :15:45.needs a massive reboot. We need to look to the success of Ruth Davidson
:15:46. > :15:48.in Scotland and embrace her positive, outward looking optimistic
:15:49. > :15:52.style of politics. I'm just hearing from Nick Watt that the DUP may
:15:53. > :15:58.align itself with the Conservative Party in a confidence and supply
:15:59. > :16:04.arrangement. Would that suit you? That would be ideal. So you would
:16:05. > :16:07.not mind, and there would be many people, Conservative voters and
:16:08. > :16:12.wider, who say the DUP represents everything that Theresa May meant
:16:13. > :16:16.when she talks about Nasty Party. They are certainly not our allies of
:16:17. > :16:21.choice. Personally I would prefer to do a deal with the Lib Dems. We have
:16:22. > :16:25.a strong and stable coalition for five years with the Lib Dems. But
:16:26. > :16:31.that is not on the cards. What is the alternative? It would be given
:16:32. > :16:35.the keys to Jeremy Corbyn. We are looking at the party that is
:16:36. > :16:39.homophobic, but doesn't believe in climate change, but talks about
:16:40. > :16:44.creationism. I abhor all of those things. That could drag the party
:16:45. > :16:47.backwards. If it's just confidence supply, which basically means that
:16:48. > :16:52.they backed us on the big vote when it counts, they're not going to get
:16:53. > :16:57.their hands on... The anti austerity vote? Well, on the budget, and the
:16:58. > :17:01.Queen's speech. Then going to get their hands on the levers of power
:17:02. > :17:07.in any meaningful way. But the alternative is to let Jeremy Corbyn
:17:08. > :17:12.in. And his in Hamas, the provisional IRA... The idea that you
:17:13. > :17:18.could have somebody who calls Hamas their friend. Their agenda for LB GT
:17:19. > :17:24.writes is truly horrific. Nobody is talking about an allegiance. Thank
:17:25. > :17:26.you very much. The best seats of the house in
:17:27. > :17:29.this extraordinary election Our friends on the continent watched
:17:30. > :17:33.on as the country tried to tear itself apart over
:17:34. > :17:35.a Brexit referendum. Only to go back to the ballot box
:17:36. > :17:38.and tell the leader who promised them a "strong and stable" Brexit
:17:39. > :17:41.deal they didn't really want one. Certainly it may be the best
:17:42. > :17:46.deterrent Merkel could ever imagine to more countries demanding
:17:47. > :17:49.their own exit from the EU. Mark Urban has been speaking
:17:50. > :17:51.to Angel Merkel's closest government He began by asking him
:17:52. > :17:55.whether Brexit negotiations It depends on the UK's decision,
:17:56. > :17:58.of course, largely, What we know so far is that the UK
:17:59. > :18:02.has triggered Article 50, and that means a delay of two years
:18:03. > :18:05.will be available to negotiate transitional
:18:06. > :18:07.periods, citizens' rights. And we hope that all this can
:18:08. > :18:09.be done in due time. But we have never interfered
:18:10. > :18:16.with domestic political We have allowed for sufficient
:18:17. > :18:24.time to decide when to We have allowed for a reshuffle
:18:25. > :18:30.last year in August. And certainly we have understood
:18:31. > :18:40.that the UK is in a situation where some things have
:18:41. > :18:41.to be considered. And therefore we will respect widely
:18:42. > :18:44.andas good as we can the decisions What would happen if the UK tried
:18:45. > :18:49.to change its mind about the whole thing and tried to withdraw
:18:50. > :18:52.the Article 50 declaration? This is a trap and I've avoided
:18:53. > :18:57.these types of traps now Because the question whether Article
:18:58. > :19:05.50 application has to be changed or not is something
:19:06. > :19:10.to be decided in the UK. Theresa May has explained
:19:11. > :19:18.Brexit means Brexit. This is the official position
:19:19. > :19:20.of the British government, and this is understood
:19:21. > :19:23.and accepted by Europe. To what extent do you think
:19:24. > :19:25.attitudes across Europe Over the last two months
:19:26. > :19:31.we have seen a considerable We have seen it in Germany,
:19:32. > :19:37.where Angela Merkel has the support of a growing number of citizens
:19:38. > :19:39.and is leading the polls. Younger people are more interested
:19:40. > :19:47.in politics than ever We have a more vivid
:19:48. > :19:52.political debate. It's of course awfully difficult,
:19:53. > :19:55.but it presents also a chance. It presents a chance for reflection
:19:56. > :19:58.about the challenges And this is something we want to do
:19:59. > :20:02.together with the United Kingdom, either inside or outside
:20:03. > :20:12.the European Union. To discuss this extraordinary
:20:13. > :20:20.few days, we're joined by the Historian Simon Schama,
:20:21. > :20:23.the fomrer Ukip leader Nigel Farage, and the Canary's editor-in-chief,
:20:24. > :20:31.Kerry-Anne Mendoza. Lucky to have you all here. Nigel,
:20:32. > :20:34.you brought your party, you brought this country to a place where Brexit
:20:35. > :20:39.became possible. Do you still believe that Brexit you envisioned
:20:40. > :20:45.will go ahead? Brexit will go ahead, I'm certain of that. 85% of people
:20:46. > :20:49.voted for pro-Brexit parties. One of the reason Corbyn managed to hoover
:20:50. > :20:53.up the Ukip wrote, he made it clear that Labour supports Brexit. Having
:20:54. > :20:56.said that, do I think now today that we're going to get the kind of
:20:57. > :21:01.Brexit but most of the voters thought they were going to get? I
:21:02. > :21:05.think that is imperilled. I suspect what we will see is a government
:21:06. > :21:08.that will struggle to get things through the Commons. I think they're
:21:09. > :21:14.probably headed towards a Norway type situation, two and a half years
:21:15. > :21:17.down the road. That would be OK with you? Norway is better than where we
:21:18. > :21:22.are now, but it is certainly not where I want to finish up. Is it
:21:23. > :21:27.enough to get you back into Ukip in a meaningful way? I'm not sure of
:21:28. > :21:30.the moment at this right now. But you are considering... Paul Nuttall
:21:31. > :21:37.said he would happily swap your LBC Radio show for the leadership, and
:21:38. > :21:40.he is gone now. So, yes, there is a vacancy! Yes, I am thinking about
:21:41. > :21:44.it. But it's not top of my bucket list. For me, getting the referendum
:21:45. > :21:51.are helping to win it, I thought I was done. But I do think we will see
:21:52. > :21:56.its backsliding. Did you hear 85% backing for Brexit? That was Nigel
:21:57. > :21:59.Farage's point, that Labour and the Conservatives were backing Brexit.
:22:00. > :22:04.Is that how you read the vote on Thursday night? Know. I think
:22:05. > :22:08.Theresa May and people like Nigel Farage work very hard to make this
:22:09. > :22:11.election about Brexit. What this election was really about four
:22:12. > :22:15.people was hope versus fear. That was about what kind of country do we
:22:16. > :22:20.want to live in. Do we want to live in a country which is cool, lacks
:22:21. > :22:24.compassion, lets us get to a situation where nurses are dependent
:22:25. > :22:28.on food banks? Or do we want to be a compassionate country at home and
:22:29. > :22:32.abroad? That was the message that won the day. It was a message that
:22:33. > :22:38.we would invest in each other, in our NHS, in our education system.
:22:39. > :22:41.Theresa May fringe at about Brexit. It was a wholly unnecessary election
:22:42. > :22:44.because there was nothing in the Commons and Lords that was going to
:22:45. > :22:50.stop publishing Brexit and through. Simon, last time we asked after the
:22:51. > :22:53.Brexit Bogut by where a quantity of left behind people that have been
:22:54. > :22:57.ignored and we had to take them seriously. Who do you think be left
:22:58. > :23:03.behind people now, when you see this vote and the way gone? Well, I think
:23:04. > :23:07.it's not a question of who has been ignored, but what has been ignored.
:23:08. > :23:11.What has been ignored as the debate between high Brexit and soft Brexit.
:23:12. > :23:14.I agree with Kerry that bread-and-butter issues, the basic
:23:15. > :23:17.civil decencies of life, became extremely important and they were
:23:18. > :23:22.brilliantly pushed to the foreground by the Labour campaign. First of
:23:23. > :23:31.all, I must say the headline in the Daily Mail tomorrow, I am sure there
:23:32. > :23:36.are going to change the Mail on Sunday, to "Farage OK with Norway".
:23:37. > :23:42.I'm not OK with that. I said, it's better than where we are, but it's
:23:43. > :23:47.not what we voted for. The positive thing about Brexit was that we were
:23:48. > :23:50.voting to engage with the rest of the world and you can't do that if
:23:51. > :23:53.you're stuck inside the customs union. There was a customs union
:23:54. > :23:56.which meant more freedom to people in terms of immigration, then in
:23:57. > :24:00.your terms and back where we started, are we? Isn't still a good
:24:01. > :24:05.enough reason to leave the EU? If we finish up at the end of this process
:24:06. > :24:08.with the free movement of people and without the ability peek at our own
:24:09. > :24:16.global deals, frankly we're not that much further forward. -- ability to
:24:17. > :24:20.cut our own global deals. This is part of the reason that Ukip were
:24:21. > :24:23.wiped out of this election, the hope versus fear issue. For years that we
:24:24. > :24:32.have had Nigel Farage walking around like a pound and punish a promising
:24:33. > :24:34.people but problems they had with -- Nigel Farage walking around
:24:35. > :24:41.promising people but the problems that they had, but now the only
:24:42. > :24:47.answer is to scapegoat the most marginalised, vulnerable
:24:48. > :24:52.communities. No, no, no. At the Conservative campaign failed to
:24:53. > :24:55.address that? I think you're being too binary about this. There are
:24:56. > :25:00.very important issues about what they call a social decency of life,
:25:01. > :25:02.and then the issues with Britain intends the sovereign state. They've
:25:03. > :25:07.come together precisely because the Labour Party manifesto did make a
:25:08. > :25:13.difference. Jeremy Corbyn said and the Labour Party said that the kind
:25:14. > :25:17.of Brexit to which we are hurtling is not the one endorsed by the
:25:18. > :25:23.Labour Party. I'm saying that those who are worried about Theresa May's
:25:24. > :25:29.endless mantra, Brexit is Brexit, are exactly those worried about what
:25:30. > :25:33.is our fate going to be? What is social care to be like? What is the
:25:34. > :25:39.future for us in terms of the issues of our daily life if we simply
:25:40. > :25:43.mechanically moved towards a hard Brexit? Jeremy Corbyn did also make
:25:44. > :25:47.clear that leaving the European Union would mean the ending of
:25:48. > :25:51.freedom of movement. You know, he did say these things. People who
:25:52. > :25:56.voted Labour, they were voting for this. There will be lots of reading
:25:57. > :26:00.the tea leaves of what the Labour Party meant about Brexit in a place
:26:01. > :26:06.where they needed votes. When you look to the future now, do you
:26:07. > :26:11.think... UK's share of the vote is 2%. Does that sound like a rejection
:26:12. > :26:16.of nasty Britain, or a Brexit but didn't like the language of
:26:17. > :26:21.intolerance? In the last general election, 13% of the country voted
:26:22. > :26:25.for a pro-Brexit party. This time it was 85%. That is the effect that
:26:26. > :26:29.Ukip has had. The day before the election was called, three separate
:26:30. > :26:33.opinion polls showed... You don't mind carrying on as a part of the
:26:34. > :26:37.other party, is that what you were saying? That up to 70% of the
:26:38. > :26:41.country wanted us to get on with Brexit. As far as Ukip is concerned,
:26:42. > :26:47.if we don't get the Brexit we want, we will be backing Brexit with a big
:26:48. > :26:52.way. The future of Theresa May, for the young people this has been a
:26:53. > :26:55.rejection of tabloid headlines, anti-media. What is your take on
:26:56. > :27:01.where Theresa May lies now? Theresa May has to go. She's done. She's
:27:02. > :27:07.done politically, she has no vision for this country but has compelled
:27:08. > :27:09.anybody. You've got a Labour Party that is reinvigorated, and more
:27:10. > :27:16.importantly a labour movement which is reinvigorated. It's engaging the
:27:17. > :27:19.young, the old, the day, the straight, the black, white, and
:27:20. > :27:25.brown, and all the colours in between. All of what Ukip but
:27:26. > :27:29.uncomfortable with? I think that's Theresa May in the end will go.
:27:30. > :27:35.Corbyn looked comfortable in his own skin. There was energy from the
:27:36. > :27:39.moment he launched the manifesto. I said, wow. Theresa May had none of
:27:40. > :27:44.the. This'll be a seminal moment in our history, as we said Brexit was.
:27:45. > :27:49.Where do you think this will take us? We want someone who actually
:27:50. > :27:54.does embody a sense of the national interest. It comes out of Theresa
:27:55. > :28:00.May's mouth of a robotic mantra. You cannot possibly have someone as
:28:01. > :28:04.incompetent, spectacularly incompetent as Theresa May has
:28:05. > :28:08.proven herself going forward to the negotiations for Brexit. You might
:28:09. > :28:15.as well pick someone at random out of the Yellow Pages. They would be
:28:16. > :28:20.better than her! Do you think... The other problem is, she doesn't
:28:21. > :28:24.believe it. So you all agreeing for all areas of the spectrum that
:28:25. > :28:29.Theresa May has got to go? Doesn't this just show you how fickle the UK
:28:30. > :28:33.imagination all electorate is? When she went to the polls in April, she
:28:34. > :28:39.thought she was going to come back with a massive majority. The British
:28:40. > :28:44.electorate, God bless it, Sastre her out. She got found out, and her
:28:45. > :28:48.managers got found out, and politics, the machine, got found
:28:49. > :28:52.out. She has been an invisible PM since she came to office. She has
:28:53. > :28:55.been issuing legislation through decree when the British public got
:28:56. > :29:00.to see her face to face, they didn't like it and went another way. Thank
:29:01. > :29:02.you all very much indeed, that's all we have time for this evening.
:29:03. > :29:04.We're back on Monday at our usual time.
:29:05. > :29:16.MUSIC: Power by Kanye West
:29:17. > :29:22.# No one man should have all that power... #
:29:23. > :29:28.There's nothing more Machiavellian...
:29:29. > :29:31.I am disgusted at the way this has been presented.