:00:10. > :00:12.Down at the site of the fire - they're calling her a coward.
:00:13. > :00:14.Can the Prime Minister prove to the protesters
:00:15. > :00:18.in West London her government has listened and learned?
:00:19. > :00:21.Within three weeks, people will be rehoused
:00:22. > :00:28.I ask you again, do you accept, though, that you misread the public
:00:29. > :00:33.You didn't go and meet residents and they really resented that.
:00:34. > :00:40.This was a terrible tragedy that took place.
:00:41. > :00:42.Tonight those demonstrations continue - one group have tried
:00:43. > :00:58.And at Downing Street - all demanding answers.
:00:59. > :01:04.I walked with them from Kensington town Hall to the tower and saw the
:01:05. > :01:08.passion and the anger of people here.
:01:09. > :01:11.And - reality check - it's just just one week
:01:12. > :01:18.If there was an election next week, God forbid, who would vote for
:01:19. > :01:33.So you switch now. -- so you've switched now.
:01:34. > :01:36.We ask people in Enfield Southgate - which turned Labour this time -
:01:37. > :01:38.what they make of the election result.
:01:39. > :01:45.It was exactly a week ago that Kensington Town Hall
:01:46. > :01:47.was recounting one of the tightest fought battles of
:01:48. > :01:54.A seat that overturned a huge Conservative majority -
:01:55. > :02:03.Today, it became the centre of protest as locals and residents
:02:04. > :02:06.of the Grenfell Tower fire descended upon it to scream their anger -
:02:07. > :02:08.demanding justice, information, and answers from government
:02:09. > :02:11.Arrangements for survivors and evacuees in the borough
:02:12. > :02:14.Powered by volunteers with little coordination from authorities.
:02:15. > :02:17.Tonight, as more protests spread to the centre of London -
:02:18. > :02:20.it felt like a bottle had been uncorked.
:02:21. > :02:24.The heat of early summer, the anger of grief -
:02:25. > :02:26.a potentially toxic combination for a government so fragile
:02:27. > :02:33.John Sweeney has been in the thick of it all day and joins us.
:02:34. > :02:45.What is the mood like where you are? Well, the situation here, it is
:02:46. > :02:49.tense. I just walked past a candlelit vigil, many people
:02:50. > :02:55.standing outside the church holding candles to the dead. But at the same
:02:56. > :03:00.time there are shouts and there is a frenzy, police helicopter in the
:03:01. > :03:07.sky. It is very very hard to convey just how angry people were. I went
:03:08. > :03:13.on this march from Kensington Town Hall to the tower and there were
:03:14. > :03:18.times when you could almost feel the anger over flow. This feels, I might
:03:19. > :03:22.be wrong, but this feels toxic for the government of Theresa May. It
:03:23. > :03:29.feels as though there is a vacuum with this situation and what happens
:03:30. > :03:38.when a vacuum is created, not nothing, but people feel in and it
:03:39. > :03:45.is dark. No question. The feeling on the march you described earlier, as
:03:46. > :03:50.that is abated now? -- has that dissipated now? No, I don't want to
:03:51. > :03:56.be overly pessimistic but I can't see this ending well. Simple problem
:03:57. > :04:02.is, nobody knows how many people have died. I was speaking to someone
:04:03. > :04:07.who was close to a firefighter and they will worry that actually there
:04:08. > :04:12.could be refugee families from places like Somalia with lots and
:04:13. > :04:18.lots of people in their family and so the numbers we are talking about,
:04:19. > :04:23.possibly 70 dead, maybe 100, maybe more, no one knows. And while the
:04:24. > :04:27.uncertainty happens and there are good reasons for the authorities to
:04:28. > :04:31.be cautious and go step-by-step, to get the forensics right, which is
:04:32. > :04:36.difficult, but that is fuelling anger and it feels as though nothing
:04:37. > :04:43.is being done and Theresa May did not help. I've heard this again and
:04:44. > :04:49.again. The difficulty right now, and there are people shouting at us, the
:04:50. > :04:56.BBC is not popular, but today, this evening, I walked with the marchers
:04:57. > :05:00.from Kensington Town Hall and this is my report.
:05:01. > :05:03.Tonight, those who are grieving for the dead of the Grenfell
:05:04. > :05:06.fire took to the streets of London's richest borough.
:05:07. > :05:08.We outnumber the Conservative voters in this area two to one.
:05:09. > :05:20.The election result here in Kensington was more
:05:21. > :05:23.finely balanced than that, but the passion is real and raw.
:05:24. > :05:26.High Street Ken tube is over there and we've just turned off
:05:27. > :05:28.Kensington High Street and we are now on
:05:29. > :05:36.The idea that there would be a big demo, a big angry demo in this part
:05:37. > :05:40.of London a couple of weeks ago, it's extraordinary.
:05:41. > :05:46.As the march turned north towards the tower the numbers grew.
:05:47. > :05:49.The kids go to all of the schools round here.
:05:50. > :06:02.Also on the march, this man, who lives in a tower block in south
:06:03. > :06:05.London and fears what happened to the people of Grenfell Tower
:06:06. > :06:09.They have put new cladding on our block and we have been unable
:06:10. > :06:12.to find out the last three days if that cladding is safe.
:06:13. > :06:15.I've had about eight hours sleep the last few nights.
:06:16. > :06:20.Motorists hooted their support, tourists and shoppers
:06:21. > :06:36.But, for the main, the police presence was very low-key.
:06:37. > :06:40.So the tower in the background, the crowd is still pouring fast,
:06:41. > :06:42.and it's hard to express just how angry these people are.
:06:43. > :06:54.Politics has left Parliament and gone on the streets.
:06:55. > :06:57.As light faded, passions seemed to ease but London's
:06:58. > :07:11.The government was keen to get on the front
:07:12. > :07:14.Sajiv Javid - the Communities Secretary -
:07:15. > :07:17.promised nothing would be spared in an attempt to get those
:07:18. > :07:30.This was the picture that did for George Bush's reputation, flying
:07:31. > :07:34.over the devastation of hurricane Katrina, and ignoring the victims
:07:35. > :07:37.and seemingly their plight, is this the picture which is going to have a
:07:38. > :07:43.similar impact for Theresa May? Yesterday, not meeting the survivors
:07:44. > :07:49.and the anxious, but meeting the security services. The fact that
:07:50. > :07:54.today the Queen managed to visit only served to put more pressure on
:07:55. > :07:58.Theresa May. Her Majesty is not the focus of widespread anger right now,
:07:59. > :08:06.though. We want answers, and justice. Rightly or wrongly, Theresa
:08:07. > :08:14.May has become just that. What we want, justice. Theresa May is joined
:08:15. > :08:18.in the dock by Kensington and Chelsea Council. We have a right to
:08:19. > :08:23.be angry, and we have got to come out and say this is not acceptable.
:08:24. > :08:26.Enough is enough. We need to be angry, because there's reason not to
:08:27. > :08:32.be angry, because children have died. Families have died. A protest
:08:33. > :08:36.this afternoon included people storming to the town hall reception
:08:37. > :08:42.and a stand-off on the stairs. We want justice. We want justice. What
:08:43. > :08:47.you get is a strong sense of anger, not simply about what happened in
:08:48. > :08:50.Grenfell Tower although that is obviously the focus of the
:08:51. > :08:55.demonstration, but it is more about the power relationships and who is
:08:56. > :08:59.in charge and how they treat people who are dependent on them for their
:09:00. > :09:04.lives and their livelihoods. What we heard today time and time again is
:09:05. > :09:07.that the authorities are not being honest and they are holding
:09:08. > :09:14.information back and they are trying to minimise the official death toll.
:09:15. > :09:20.Nearly 100 persons missing, a lot of people asking, did you see this
:09:21. > :09:27.person, did you meet him, have you heard about him. People are lost.
:09:28. > :09:33.They don't know if they are in the hospital 's or they are dead or they
:09:34. > :09:36.are in the building. The Prime Minister attempted to answer her
:09:37. > :09:40.critics today with a visit to Chelsea and Westminster Hospital to
:09:41. > :09:46.meet survivors. Strong and stable leadership or just stable door
:09:47. > :09:49.locking. Because when that wasn't enough to satisfy her critics, the
:09:50. > :09:53.Prime Minister's team organised another visit, this afternoon to a
:09:54. > :09:59.church near the tower, now a centre for the relief effort, but this did
:10:00. > :10:06.little to calm the anger. And then you are going to come down after
:10:07. > :10:13.people forced you to be here. And then you are going to hide behind
:10:14. > :10:17.that red door. Why go to the same place Jeremy Corbyn wins 24 hours
:10:18. > :10:22.before? It is a publicity stunt and the newspapers like The Daily Mail
:10:23. > :10:26.will show that to show that she has heart and soul, but she is cold like
:10:27. > :10:35.a fish, ridiculous. If you care, show that you care. Where is the
:10:36. > :10:40.housing minister and the Home Secretary? We need you to talk, I'm
:10:41. > :10:45.not trying to blame anyone, but show you care, be around. The council
:10:46. > :10:51.have not shown anything, where are they? We are going to talk about
:10:52. > :10:55.things that happened, and make sure this doesn't happen again, but this
:10:56. > :11:03.has happened now. The Prime Minister's departure was chaotic
:11:04. > :11:11.from the church. Shouts of murderers and coward and at one point her
:11:12. > :11:19.car's departure was blocked and the police had to intervene. The way was
:11:20. > :11:22.cleared just in time. She might have managed to leave the area but
:11:23. > :11:26.neither she all the government or the Council Arkley of the
:11:27. > :11:33.controversy surrounding this disaster -- she or the government.
:11:34. > :11:36.Well, this evening - in a very unusual move -
:11:37. > :11:38.and with next to no notice - Downing Street informed us
:11:39. > :11:42.the Prime Minister would be arriving here at the BBC to do an interview.
:11:43. > :11:47.Theresa May was announcing a comprehensive package
:11:48. > :11:50.of support for the victims - including a ?5 million fund
:11:51. > :11:52.made available to pay for emergency supplies,
:11:53. > :11:55.I sat down with the Prime Minster earlier.
:11:56. > :11:57.Prime Minister, you've come here today to the BBC,
:11:58. > :12:00.instead of doing the interview at the site where you just
:12:01. > :12:06.Well, what I want to talk about today is what the government
:12:07. > :12:08.is making available to the victims of this absolutely
:12:09. > :12:14.I think we were all, when we saw the horrific scenes
:12:15. > :12:17.of what had happened at Grenfell Tower, we were all
:12:18. > :12:21.It's absolutely horrifying and I've been hearing stories today
:12:22. > :12:27.I've also been hearing from the local community,
:12:28. > :12:30.about the issues and concerns that they have.
:12:31. > :12:32.Now, the government is making ?5 million available, emergency
:12:33. > :12:42.Just to get money to be able to buy normal things of everyday life.
:12:43. > :12:44.This morning I was in one of the hospitals meeting some
:12:45. > :12:50.One of the women said to me, basically she ran out
:12:51. > :12:54.of Grenfell Tower in a T-shirt and a pair of knickers.
:12:55. > :12:58.That is why the government is putting that funding in.
:12:59. > :13:01.There are other things we will do as well to provide support
:13:02. > :13:02.for people to ensure they are rehoused
:13:03. > :13:06.But immediately we need to make sure people have the help they need.
:13:07. > :13:12.There is a need for the public to hear you say in words of one
:13:13. > :13:14.syllable, something terrible has happened, something
:13:15. > :13:17."It is our fault, we acknowledge that and we accept responsibility".
:13:18. > :13:22.This is an absolutely awful fire that took place.
:13:23. > :13:29.People have had their homes destroyed.
:13:30. > :13:33.They have fled for their lives with absolutely nothing.
:13:34. > :13:39.Do you accept that you misread the public mood on this one?
:13:40. > :13:43.You misread the anger that people feel about this.
:13:44. > :13:46.They shouted coward you this afternoon when you left St Clements.
:13:47. > :13:48.What I have done since this incident took place,
:13:49. > :13:51.first of all, yesterday, ensure that public services had
:13:52. > :13:55.the support that they needed in order to be able to do the job
:13:56. > :13:58.they were doing in the immediate aftermath...
:13:59. > :14:01.Prime Minister, this is Friday evening, they needed those things
:14:02. > :14:07.People we spoke to were housed for one night and didn't know
:14:08. > :14:09.where they would spend the next night.
:14:10. > :14:12.And were not told anything by anyone.
:14:13. > :14:19.What I have done today is ensured that we are as a government putting
:14:20. > :14:23.that funding in place for people in the area.
:14:24. > :14:31.This has been an absolutely terrifying experience.
:14:32. > :14:36.When are they told where they are going to be housed?
:14:37. > :14:38.It has been a terrifying experience for people.
:14:39. > :14:40.This is why, when I've heard stories, I heard stories yesterday
:14:41. > :14:43.from the emergency services about the issues around the fire,
:14:44. > :14:46.that is why I came straight back to Downing Street and I ordered
:14:47. > :14:50.And we'll make sure that takes place as soon as possible to get
:14:51. > :14:53.This is not just about finding what happened.
:14:54. > :14:56.This is not just finding out who is responsible for what happened.
:14:57. > :14:59.It's about ensuring that support is there, here and now.
:15:00. > :15:03.Any other tragedy, flooding, you would have had the Army there,
:15:04. > :15:08.I was there on the ground, I saw the chaos myself.
:15:09. > :15:30.There was no one willing to accept responsibility.
:15:31. > :15:33.We are making sure that support is put in place the people.
:15:34. > :15:35.That means that money should be made available and we have...
:15:36. > :15:39.One of the things I have just heard from people is about making sure
:15:40. > :15:41.that that money actually get through to people.
:15:42. > :15:44.Because we have to, as government, make the money available.
:15:45. > :15:47.I want to make sure that people actually get that money
:15:48. > :15:50.in their hands so they can go and buy the things that they need.
:15:51. > :15:52.But they are being rehoused outside the borough,
:15:53. > :15:54.in places they don't know, don't live, don't have
:15:55. > :15:59.We are committed to making sure the people are rehoused as far
:16:00. > :16:01.as possible within the borough or in neighbouring boroughs.
:16:02. > :16:04.Some people may actually want to go to another part of London
:16:05. > :16:06.where perhaps they have a greater support network, where they have
:16:07. > :16:10.We are making sure that within three weeks people will be rehoused
:16:11. > :16:14.Do you accept, though, that you misread the public mood
:16:15. > :16:18.You didn't visit the residents and they really resented that.
:16:19. > :16:20.This was a terrible tragedy that took place.
:16:21. > :16:22.People have lost their lives and others have lost everything.
:16:23. > :16:25.All their possessions, their home and everything.
:16:26. > :16:28.What we are doing is putting in place the support
:16:29. > :16:35.I have heard horrifying stories from the Fire Brigade, from the police,
:16:36. > :16:37.and from the victims themselves who were in that fire,
:16:38. > :16:40.but also from other local residents, some of whom, of course,
:16:41. > :16:43.have not been able to go back to their homes either.
:16:44. > :16:46.What I'm not actually focused on is making sure that we get that
:16:47. > :16:50.As I say, government is making money available and we are making sure
:16:51. > :16:52.that we're going to get to the bottom of what's happened
:16:53. > :16:55.and we will make sure that people are rehoused.
:16:56. > :17:06.But we need to make sure that that actually happens.
:17:07. > :17:10.In 2013 a coroner had safety recommendations which included
:17:11. > :17:12.putting sprinklers in all these buildings and it was never done.
:17:13. > :17:15.There were two types of material that could have been
:17:16. > :17:17.used in the cladding, one was flammable
:17:18. > :17:30.We have yet to find out what because of the fire was.
:17:31. > :17:40.You could have stopped it spreading by spending ?2 more.
:17:41. > :17:42.The Fire Service are looking at what because of the fire
:17:43. > :17:46.was and it's important that we get to the bottom of this, that we find
:17:47. > :17:55.You were in government and the coroner said you can stop
:17:56. > :17:57.this with a sprinkler system in every block.
:17:58. > :17:59.And the government has taken action on the recommendations
:18:00. > :18:03.But what we need to do in relation to this incident,
:18:04. > :18:05.to this horrifying fire, is to make sure that we get
:18:06. > :18:08.to the bottom of why is fire took place, what happened,
:18:09. > :18:14.why did it spread so unexpectedly and so ferociously.
:18:15. > :18:17.But we know Gavin Barwell sat on a report from last October,
:18:18. > :18:20.He knew about these recommendations then.
:18:21. > :18:22.The government acted on recommendations from
:18:23. > :18:33.But what we need to do is make sure that information to this fire we do
:18:34. > :18:41.The Fire Service will look at what it was that immediately
:18:42. > :18:43.happened, but beyond that, the public inquiry will get to
:18:44. > :18:54.the wider issues of responsibility in relation to this.
:18:55. > :18:56.Around the country there are 4000 other high-rise blocks.
:18:57. > :18:58.There are many, many residents tonight wondering what kind
:18:59. > :19:02.When will you be able to tell them that they are safe
:19:03. > :19:06.The government is doing everything in its power to make sure
:19:07. > :19:09.We've identified those buildings and over the weekend,
:19:10. > :19:11.now and over the weekend, people are going in and
:19:12. > :19:16.We will do everything in our power to make sure that people are safe.
:19:17. > :19:20.Does it have to be a culture where you start putting health
:19:21. > :19:24.and safety first instead of cutting corners?
:19:25. > :19:27.What we need to do is to make sure that immediately people
:19:28. > :19:30.have the support that they need in order to deal with what is
:19:31. > :19:32.a horrific and terrible circumstance that people are in.
:19:33. > :19:35.We then also need to look at how this happened, why it happened,
:19:36. > :19:46.And if action needs to be taken, we will take it.
:19:47. > :19:49.And we should say the government says it did act on the coroner's
:19:50. > :19:51.recommendations following the Camberwell tower fire by writing
:19:52. > :19:53.to social housing landlords asking them to consider fitting sprinklers
:19:54. > :20:04.It also says it has been consulting on revised building regulations.
:20:05. > :20:07.It will be a while before we know for sure what caused
:20:08. > :20:10.the Grenfell Tower fire and what led it to consume the building
:20:11. > :20:18.But already questions have been asked about the cladding applied
:20:19. > :20:23.Newsnight revealed on Wednesday that it contained plastic
:20:24. > :20:26.and was less fire resistant than others available.
:20:27. > :20:27.Our producer Phil Kemp has been investigating possible
:20:28. > :20:40.Yesterday we heard from the fire protection Association about their
:20:41. > :20:48.concerns used in Malta construction and the fire risk they pose. That
:20:49. > :20:50.isn't just the cladding. -- used in their construction. This
:20:51. > :20:55.polyethylene core which is less fire resistant than other types
:20:56. > :21:00.available. But also the plastic insulation, the foam which sits
:21:01. > :21:03.between the wall and this cladding. There has been a push in recent
:21:04. > :21:08.years to make these apartment buildings more energy efficient. All
:21:09. > :21:15.over the country. But in doing that and with the best of intentions it
:21:16. > :21:21.seems we may have introduced a new fire risk. Interestingly, I spoke to
:21:22. > :21:26.the fire Chief of Frankfurt. Frankfurt is a city with lots of
:21:27. > :21:30.high-rise buildings. He told me these types of combustible products
:21:31. > :21:34.simply could not be used in high-rise buildings in Germany. They
:21:35. > :21:39.haven't been used for years. It's also the case in Germany that they
:21:40. > :21:42.do not use lots of products we use here that have a particular fire
:21:43. > :21:47.retardant because of the toxic chemical it gives off when it is on
:21:48. > :21:52.fire that are potentially lethal to people. Different standards between
:21:53. > :21:56.what we do here and in Germany. You talked about the cladding. But
:21:57. > :22:00.this might also be something internal to the buildings.
:22:01. > :22:04.I spoke to another expert this morning. He was telling me that in a
:22:05. > :22:09.block like Grenfell Tower all of the fronts of the flats have to be fire
:22:10. > :22:14.safe doors in their own right. And they also have to be self closing.
:22:15. > :22:17.That is because if a fire breaks out in a flat it'll contain it and stop
:22:18. > :22:38.it from spreading throughout the block. We know there has been an
:22:39. > :22:41.issue with other blocks owned by the same company. This might be relevant
:22:42. > :22:45.in the Grenfell Tower case because there was smoke in the stairwells.
:22:46. > :22:49.We've also heard the story of a neighbour who is able to look
:22:50. > :22:53.straight into the flat were apparently a fridge exploded. The
:22:54. > :22:57.expert I spoke to said that suggests there might be a problem with the
:22:58. > :23:01.self closing door in that case. What is emerging now is the possibility
:23:02. > :23:05.that there is a combination of different factors. Both internally
:23:06. > :23:09.and externally that might be coming together in a perfect storm to lead
:23:10. > :23:12.to this devastating fire. Thank you very much.
:23:13. > :23:15.Extraordinary to think this time last week the nation was just trying
:23:16. > :23:18.to get to grips with an election result very few had seen coming.
:23:19. > :23:21.A week on there is still no official deal between
:23:22. > :23:25.the Conservatives and the DUP - but there are very few Conservatives
:23:26. > :23:32.willing Theresa May to go - so loath are they to contemplate
:23:33. > :23:36.We went to a marginal seat in North London -
:23:37. > :23:37.where many voters abandoned the Conservatives to
:23:38. > :23:41.I was keen to find out what they had been voting for -
:23:42. > :23:47.and how they viewed the result we ended up with.
:23:48. > :23:50.David, I'm going to start with you, because you voted for the first
:23:51. > :23:52.time this time round, what was it that made you vote,
:23:53. > :24:00.Being 18 now, just two weeks after Brexit, I seemed to miss that.
:24:01. > :24:04.A lot of young people my age, me, as well,
:24:05. > :24:09.There was a lot of decisions being made that we had no option
:24:10. > :24:13.And it would affect us more than the older people who got
:24:14. > :24:22.So, to vote in this election was very important,
:24:23. > :24:24.because it actually, this time, seemed like
:24:25. > :24:32.I voted for my local MP, and I do also think Jeremy Corbyn
:24:33. > :24:34.is good as a leader of the Labour Party, yes.
:24:35. > :24:37.I wanted him to be Prime Minister more than I wanted Theresa May
:24:38. > :24:42.Mark, I'm going to come to you, what was it that pushed you to vote?
:24:43. > :24:46.So, my priorities in this vote was who's going to be the next
:24:47. > :24:50.And I didn't feel comfortable with the idea of Jeremy Corbyn
:24:51. > :24:51.being the next leader in Downing Street.
:24:52. > :24:54.And the reason for that is because there have been instances
:24:55. > :24:58.of anti-Semitism within the Labour Party.
:24:59. > :25:01.And I just don't think Jeremy Corbyn has done enough to tackle
:25:02. > :25:06.that and to put people from my community's mind at ease.
:25:07. > :25:08.So, for me it was largely about the leader.
:25:09. > :25:11.I'm not necessarily a Jeremy Corbyn fan, but I do think
:25:12. > :25:15.And I think for the first time, maybe in my voting life,
:25:16. > :25:21.there was a distinction between real socialism and Tory politics.
:25:22. > :25:25.And I felt like in new Labour they went so right of centre
:25:26. > :25:28.in order to capture the vote, the first time there really
:25:29. > :25:31.was a choice, I'm a socialist, of voting for socialist principles,
:25:32. > :25:46.Louise, when you hear people talking about, you know,
:25:47. > :25:49.a politician with integrity, versus the one that you voted for,
:25:50. > :25:52.Theresa May, or your local MP, what does it say to you?
:25:53. > :25:53.I personally feel Theresa May does have integrity.
:25:54. > :25:56.She is somebody who I prefer to other Tory politicians.
:25:57. > :25:58.She came from a grammar school background, not public school.
:25:59. > :26:08.But probably, security is on my mind at the moment.
:26:09. > :26:11.I've got three daughters growing up in this world, I live in London,
:26:12. > :26:13.I didn't feel comfortable, and when we talked about leader
:26:14. > :26:16.versus party, I didn't feel comfortable with Jeremy Corbyn
:26:17. > :26:19.Theresa May seems to be taking a very strong hand.
:26:20. > :26:24.Can I ask who else had terror in their minds,
:26:25. > :26:26.or the response to terror when they voted?
:26:27. > :26:33.I think in Labour's manifesto, talking about putting more
:26:34. > :26:35.into public security in terms of policing, things like that,
:26:36. > :26:38.that is what is going to counterterrorism.
:26:39. > :26:42.Not what things like Theresa May did by cutting police,
:26:43. > :26:44.cutting national security, if they had five, ten warnings
:26:45. > :26:47.about things that happened recently because of cuts.
:26:48. > :26:58.How many people voted Labour over terror but for different
:26:59. > :27:00.reasons to security, about public service cuts.
:27:01. > :27:05.Madeleine I want to come to you, because you were wavering right up
:27:06. > :27:08.until the moment when you put the cross in the box.
:27:09. > :27:11.For the first time in quite a few elections I actually
:27:12. > :27:13.got into the booth and, I have to say, I was wavering,
:27:14. > :27:15.where to put my cross, Conservative or labour.
:27:16. > :27:22.I went Conservative because I think we need continuity.
:27:23. > :27:26.I'm not sure if it was the right thing to do even now.
:27:27. > :27:28.Labour did get in in our constituency.
:27:29. > :27:34.There is the NHS, which is a big thing for me.
:27:35. > :27:40.All of those issues, there are so many issues,
:27:41. > :27:43.Can I ask how many people had Brexit on their mind?
:27:44. > :27:48.We were told at the beginning that this was a vote about Brexit.
:27:49. > :27:50.How many people went to the polls thinking about Brexit
:27:51. > :27:58.I did think about it, I really actually was happy with the result,
:27:59. > :28:01.because I think the Conservatives need to get on with it.
:28:02. > :28:13.So, for me, the fact that they don't have a huge majority
:28:14. > :28:16.is going to make it difficult to push through some
:28:17. > :28:20.Let them get on with this Brexit, because I want to see how
:28:21. > :28:24.Let me just ask you now with a show of hands,
:28:25. > :28:26.who feels they got the outcome from this election that they wanted?
:28:27. > :28:32.Interesting, so we've got one, two, three, four, five, OK.
:28:33. > :28:40.Let me ask the other way around, who feels it's a mess, where we are?
:28:41. > :28:48.It is reflective of how split the country is.
:28:49. > :29:05.John, you said out of chaos sometimes order emerges.
:29:06. > :29:10.Madeline, that's not your sense of this at all.
:29:11. > :29:22.I do feel a bit worried, I'm not a worrying person, really,
:29:23. > :29:25.but I feel there is so much going on, there's so many issues
:29:26. > :29:28.that need to be solved, and I wanted a continuation of something.
:29:29. > :29:30.I'm not sure if it is going to happen now.
:29:31. > :29:33.But by voting Tory I just thought keep it as it is for
:29:34. > :29:38.And to let Theresa May go through with the Brexit she has
:29:39. > :29:41.I'm not sure she can deliver it, but we shall see.
:29:42. > :29:44.For you as a Conservative, either of you two, do you feel
:29:45. > :29:50.I don't not trust her in terms of her character or her integrity.
:29:51. > :29:55.She took an awful lot for granted and certainly has egg on her face.
:29:56. > :29:58.And that bothers me that she has weakened our position in terms
:29:59. > :30:02.Although we had Jean-Claude Juncker saying he doesn't...
:30:03. > :30:04.You know, she's obviously the laughing stock over in Brussels.
:30:05. > :30:08.But I just, I hope we can get some stability soon and in order
:30:09. > :30:10.to type up the Brexit deal she's promising us.
:30:11. > :30:12.Do you resent this, Mark, as a, sort of, election?
:30:13. > :30:15.Do you feel she's put you, as a conservative voter,
:30:16. > :30:17.I just think it was very unnecessary.
:30:18. > :30:20.I know it's easy to say that in hindsight, but at a time
:30:21. > :30:23.when you need complete stability, there was just no
:30:24. > :30:26.I think it was a really bad error of judgment.
:30:27. > :30:29.Of the ones who voted Conservative, which of you like Theresa May
:30:30. > :30:31.as much, or more, than you did before the election?
:30:32. > :30:35.I didn't find her a hugely warm character.
:30:36. > :30:42.When she appeared on the One Show, it was embarrassing.
:30:43. > :30:44.So, what is the bit that you warm to?
:30:45. > :30:52.The confidence she gives me in the way she's going to continue
:30:53. > :30:59.Let me ask the Labour voters, which of you like Jeremy Corbyn
:31:00. > :31:01.as much or more since you voted, or since the election?
:31:02. > :31:05.I've liked him since I saw him as a local MP
:31:06. > :31:12.Do you think this is just about who won and who lost,
:31:13. > :31:14.not in actual numbers, but in terms of who was seen
:31:15. > :31:16.to have a good campaign, and who wasn't having
:31:17. > :31:24.I think this is something that doesn't necessarily just come
:31:25. > :31:27.I personally support Jeremy Corbyn because this
:31:28. > :31:30.is a process, this is a great, and what he represents
:31:31. > :31:34.It is a shift from this, kind of, establishment politics to something
:31:35. > :31:36.which is more for the community, the bottom, the people.
:31:37. > :31:39.Who here thinks Brexit won't actually happen now?
:31:40. > :31:47.Just a softer version than what she wanted.
:31:48. > :31:50.It is this word that hangs there, Brexit, what does it mean?
:31:51. > :31:55.When it happens we will have a list of things that our policies
:31:56. > :32:02.If we all turn against it all of us in this room say, no,
:32:03. > :32:05.that's going to affect my mum, the children, that's going to affect
:32:06. > :32:08.We can't have that happen to our country.
:32:09. > :32:11.I think that Britain will be outside the EU paying all the same
:32:12. > :32:13.fees for all the same privileges they have.
:32:14. > :32:24.They will not be part of Europe because we voted to be out of it.
:32:25. > :32:26.Does everyone agree with Paula on this one?
:32:27. > :32:30.But they are going to have to pay for it, because how can you trade,
:32:31. > :32:33.OK, let's have a look at domestic agenda.
:32:34. > :32:35.If there was one issue that really...
:32:36. > :32:37.Caught hold of you during this election, in domestic terms
:32:38. > :32:39.come away from Brexit, what was it?
:32:40. > :32:49.Last question, if there was an election next week,
:32:50. > :33:08.Who would vote for a Conservative other than Theresa May?
:33:09. > :33:12.If I said Boris Johnson, would you put your hand down?
:33:13. > :33:24.I was voting for Labour policies, not Jeremy Corbyn,
:33:25. > :33:27.but he is the leader, but I think it is about
:33:28. > :33:40.We need somebody inspirational to push it forward, but it should be
:33:41. > :33:45.I think it is a shame that we focus on the personalities of the leaders,
:33:46. > :33:49.It's what they do, not what they've said.
:33:50. > :33:52.It sounds like we should take this on to the pub now.
:33:53. > :33:56.Well a lot of the anger that we've been seeing today has been
:33:57. > :33:59.from friends and relatives who want to know what has happened
:34:00. > :34:04.The tower is now a burnt out shell - and the site of a criminal
:34:05. > :34:05.investigation, and toxic and strucutually unsafe.
:34:06. > :34:08.So how do they even begin to make sense of what actually happened
:34:09. > :34:11.in here on Tuesday night and how long will it be before forensic
:34:12. > :34:14.teams are able to provide answers as to who lost their lives inside.
:34:15. > :34:17.Lessons can be learnt from the aftermath of the 9/11
:34:18. > :34:25.One of the forensic pathologists of that catasrophe
:34:26. > :34:27.was Dr Judy Melinek - who joined me earleir
:34:28. > :34:34.I asked her what she had learnt then that could be shared with us now.
:34:35. > :34:36.A thorough investigation is not something that
:34:37. > :34:47.It takes weeks and even months, and sometimes up to and including
:34:48. > :34:50.years in order to get to the bottom of what happens.
:34:51. > :34:52.In the immediate aftermath, first and most importantly,
:34:53. > :34:55.the people who are responding and the supervisors in charge need
:34:56. > :35:00.to make sure that the structure is sufficiently safe and sound
:35:01. > :35:03.so that first responders who are going in there and those
:35:04. > :35:06.who are charged with the recovery of the remains are safe, as well,
:35:07. > :35:09.And the next step would be to collect important information
:35:10. > :35:13.About their ways to identify them, either identifying marks
:35:14. > :35:17.or scars, jewellery, tattoos and also collect DNA.
:35:18. > :35:21.And how difficult you think it will be to collect DNA?
:35:22. > :35:25.The most important thing is that we don't know at this
:35:26. > :35:28.particular point what the condition of the remains are.
:35:29. > :35:31.There could be a whole discrepancy between people who are intact,
:35:32. > :35:35.but just suffered from smoke inhalation, compared to people whose
:35:36. > :35:48.And a situation such as this you can have difficulty because,
:35:49. > :35:51.for example, in 9/11 we could get exemplar asked from the deceased.
:35:52. > :35:59.Or we could get the underwear of the person who is missing.
:36:00. > :36:02.And use that to compare them to the person.
:36:03. > :36:05.It easier to compare self to solve than to compare self to next of kin.
:36:06. > :36:08.And so in this particular situation, you've got people who are dead
:36:09. > :36:10.within their residencies, all of their personal
:36:11. > :36:12.property basically went up in flames with them,
:36:13. > :36:15.and so it seems that most likely the analyses are going to have to be
:36:16. > :36:17.to next of kin relatives, and that's more difficult.
:36:18. > :36:20.Am I right in thinking that in the Twin Towers, some 40%
:36:21. > :36:29.The reason for that is because of the forces at play
:36:30. > :36:31.in that particular incident where you had jet fuel.
:36:32. > :36:40.You had fires that went on for months.
:36:41. > :36:42.We don't have exactly the same scenario here,
:36:43. > :36:45.so I'm hopeful that DNA analysis will be more fruitful
:36:46. > :36:50.This will be devastating news to many of the families.
:36:51. > :36:54.And they will want to know what happens if they don't get
:36:55. > :37:01.In the United States for 911 victims who were not identified
:37:02. > :37:05.based on their bodies, there was a legal process put
:37:06. > :37:09.into place, a judicial process, where the person was declared dead
:37:10. > :37:11.and a death certificate was created so that the families
:37:12. > :37:13.could then have closure, close-out financial concerns,
:37:14. > :37:16.and move on, even though the body parts had not yet been identified.
:37:17. > :37:22.And if and when DNA analysis occurred at a later time those data
:37:23. > :37:24.points were merged with the death certificate that was put
:37:25. > :37:31.At least the death certificate allows the family to move on.
:37:32. > :37:33.Even when remains are taking longer to identify.
:37:34. > :37:37.You started by saying that the key was communication.
:37:38. > :37:40.Do you think authorities have explained fully enough here just how
:37:41. > :37:42.lengthy and difficult a process this will be?
:37:43. > :37:48.I think it is important that they set up a command centre
:37:49. > :37:51.and that they have public relation staff who are on hand to be able
:37:52. > :37:59.Typically what happens is we will set up a family centre
:38:00. > :38:01.separate from the coroner's office so that the families can go
:38:02. > :38:06.And in this particular situation you have people who are in need
:38:07. > :38:12.So that can all be centralised and you can use that family centre
:38:13. > :38:16.as a repository for also collecting information about the deceased
:38:17. > :38:19.and people who are missing, and also exemplars for DNA analysis.
:38:20. > :38:36.And, some rampages. The same story but reported with different leads --
:38:37. > :38:42.before we go, I will go through some of the front pages. The protest
:38:43. > :38:49.moves onto the street. The Daily Telegraph, militants hijacked the
:38:50. > :39:04.protest, they have accused them of exploiting it. This headline, it was
:39:05. > :39:05.murdered. And there is a tale of two photos with the Queen and Theresa
:39:06. > :39:08.May. That's all from us at the end
:39:09. > :39:11.of a week - and a fortnight - that will be remembered in this
:39:12. > :39:54.country for a very long time. It is a dry, settled and sunny story
:39:55. > :39:59.for many of us this weekend, hardly a cloud in the sky across much of
:40:00. > :40:05.England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Some sunshine in eastern Scotland,
:40:06. > :40:06.but the far north-west remaining cloudy and down at times, but by the