:00:15. > :00:17.Kim Yong-Un taunts Trump by showing again and again the moment
:00:18. > :00:19.North Korea launched a missile apparently capable of
:00:20. > :00:28.While the UN Security Council meets in emergency session,
:00:29. > :00:34.the US president is right now en route to China.
:00:35. > :00:37.But does he have any clue what to do about it?
:00:38. > :00:39.I'l be speaking to one of the few Americans ever to negotiate
:00:40. > :00:45.Has the election played havoc with Theresa May's
:00:46. > :00:50.Nick Watt has news we may be looking north.
:00:51. > :00:52.Westminster is abuzz with talk that the UK should follow
:00:53. > :00:54.the example of Norway for its immediate
:00:55. > :00:58.But some Brexiteers see this as a ruse by Remainers
:00:59. > :01:07.who are turning into Referendum Reversers.
:01:08. > :01:12.The sexual revolution never envisaged this.
:01:13. > :01:26.Robots are being programmed to have sex.
:01:27. > :01:31.Is there anything wrong with that, and if so, exactly what?
:01:32. > :01:40.We'll be sorting out the politics of robosex.
:01:41. > :01:46.At the emergency meeting of the UN Security Council tonight
:01:47. > :01:53.to discuss the response to the threat from North Korea
:01:54. > :01:55.following the first successful launch of an in intercontinental
:01:56. > :01:58.If claims are confirmed that the missile is capable
:01:59. > :02:01.of hitting US territory then the pressure will be on the US
:02:02. > :02:03.President to make a measured response after he has raised
:02:04. > :02:06.the rhetoric on North Korea since he entered the White House.
:02:07. > :02:09.When the missile was fired he tweeted, "Perhaps China will put
:02:10. > :02:11.the heavy moves on North Korea and end this nonsense
:02:12. > :02:23.The Chinese President, meeting President Putin
:02:24. > :02:25.yesterday in Moscow, announced that they want to take
:02:26. > :02:28.the lead in dealing with this escalation, at the same time
:02:29. > :02:30.condemning the US for increased military activity in the Pacific,
:02:31. > :02:33.and the deployment in south Korea of the US missile Defence System.
:02:34. > :02:35.Kim Jong-Un has ridden the rocket of brinkmanship again.
:02:36. > :02:38.By testing a missile with a range long enough to hit
:02:39. > :02:40.parts of the US he has thrown down the gauntlet.
:02:41. > :02:42.Unbowed by American threats and also resolved a
:02:43. > :02:50.We assume that North Korea has that capability with its medium-range
:02:51. > :02:51.systems, because they have been testing those
:02:52. > :02:57.And of course North Korea has had a number of nuclear tests.
:02:58. > :03:00.But you are right we will never know for sure whether they have
:03:01. > :03:08.an operational capability unless they have to use it.
:03:09. > :03:13.The new missile test lead the US to say that piece on the Korean
:03:14. > :03:20.peninsula is a choice they could change. And that diplomacy is
:03:21. > :03:24.running out of steam. -- peace. Their actions are closing off the
:03:25. > :03:27.possibility of a diplomatic solution. The United States is
:03:28. > :03:32.prepared to use the full range of our capabilities to defend ourselves
:03:33. > :03:40.and our allies. Where does that leave camp? Early in January the
:03:41. > :03:44.president tweeted that Kim's bid to develop something capable of hitting
:03:45. > :03:49.the US wouldn't happen. He listed China's help. In April he suggested
:03:50. > :03:55.China could get better trade terms if they solve the North Korean
:03:56. > :04:03.problem. Late last month but with -- late last month he said at least
:04:04. > :04:06.China tried. This gave way to anger. He accused them of wrapping up trade
:04:07. > :04:13.with North Korea rather than squeezing it. When Trump made his
:04:14. > :04:20.deal perhaps he was not fully aware of the history of US efforts to
:04:21. > :04:26.elicit better cooperation with China. If he was he probably would
:04:27. > :04:31.have been more careful in his approach to the Chinese premier. But
:04:32. > :04:38.we are where we are. The Chinese president today pointed that
:04:39. > :04:42.Vladimir Putin was his country's closest allies. And in the context
:04:43. > :04:51.of North Korea that points to a hidden alignment towards America's
:04:52. > :04:57.threats of force. Russia and China have implications for North Korea.
:04:58. > :05:09.Especially as it presents an option for North Korea. North Korea is a
:05:10. > :05:15.client state of China. In some way they legitimise North Korea's
:05:16. > :05:20.existence. America and South Korea today conducted their own missile
:05:21. > :05:25.firing drills. A warning to Kim Jong-Un. But also a reminder to
:05:26. > :05:33.China that the US is not about abandoned its regional partners. But
:05:34. > :05:38.for all the symbolism it shows the military options of the Pentagon.
:05:39. > :05:43.Trump is finding, like previous presidents, that we don't have any
:05:44. > :05:47.capability to stop North Korea from advancing its nuclear missile
:05:48. > :05:50.programme. Military options are obviously not practical because we
:05:51. > :05:57.are not capable of knocking out North Korea's missile systems. In
:05:58. > :06:03.any event, even if we tried, that is likely to lead to a conflict of the
:06:04. > :06:08.Korean peninsula which the US and US allies and Japan are not prepared to
:06:09. > :06:14.fight. Given the risks of using force, the Chinese option was
:06:15. > :06:19.probably worth a try. But Kim Jong-Un continues weapons tests
:06:20. > :06:20.undaunted, while President Trump formulates new policy, China holds
:06:21. > :06:22.nearly all the key cards. Bill Richardson - is a former
:06:23. > :06:25.Democratic governor and has negotiated with North Korea
:06:26. > :06:27.since the 1990s - he was involved in securing the release of US
:06:28. > :06:44.student Otto Warmbier. Good evening. How would you rate
:06:45. > :06:48.this particular moment historically? This is the worst state of tension
:06:49. > :06:54.in the Korean peninsula since the Korean War. With this capability
:06:55. > :07:02.that North Korea now has with the Kim Jong-Un acting in defiance. Not
:07:03. > :07:07.just of the US but the international community. Detailing Americans,
:07:08. > :07:13.Canadians there, basically sticking his nose up to the international
:07:14. > :07:18.community. And trying to provoke Donald Trump and the G20 into
:07:19. > :07:21.basically saying, you guys are meeting at the G20, I'm the main
:07:22. > :07:27.player in the world today. That is what Kim Jong-Un is saying. If it is
:07:28. > :07:34.one of the most dangerous moment since the Korean War, is it also a
:07:35. > :07:38.moment of opportunity? Well, I believe the only way we will get out
:07:39. > :07:47.of this North Korea drama is through diplomacy. But right now the options
:07:48. > :07:51.of diplomacy, because of the... There is no room for that type of
:07:52. > :07:56.diplomacy. The pre-emptive military strike I don't think that right now
:07:57. > :08:00.is realistic. In between we should look at options of squeezing China
:08:01. > :08:05.to squeeze North Korea more. I don't think we've done enough. I think
:08:06. > :08:08.more cyber efforts, more sanctions at the UN, get the international
:08:09. > :08:14.community, the G20 countries, the new alliance. I think we have a
:08:15. > :08:18.little time. But not much more. Nicky Healy has talked about the
:08:19. > :08:23.fact America will propose sanctions. But you have to have China on board.
:08:24. > :08:30.I just wonder. You talk about pushing China harder, but what never
:08:31. > :08:41.-- what leverage does Donald Trump have on China? Negative. Doing this
:08:42. > :08:47.them... Is that for Trump to do? Do we continue arms sales to Taiwan?
:08:48. > :08:52.And their efforts, you know? China wants to be pre-eminent in East
:08:53. > :08:58.Asia. Buttress our relations with South Korea, with Japan, commerce
:08:59. > :09:02.wise, militarily. China has to realise that the turmoil in the
:09:03. > :09:06.peninsula is not in their interest. But they are unwilling to risk
:09:07. > :09:11.anything by squeezing North Korea. So we have to put more levers on
:09:12. > :09:15.China. We need to get our European friends to help us because this
:09:16. > :09:21.affects the international community, the East Asian peninsula. This may
:09:22. > :09:26.be something, as a Democrat, you would have a certain answer for, but
:09:27. > :09:30.isn't part of the real problem the instability, you know, the
:09:31. > :09:35.flip-flopping Donald Trump undertakes? The goading of China for
:09:36. > :09:41.not doing enough, the idea he could do it himself, the idea they would
:09:42. > :09:44.never happen into ballistic missile -- intercontinental ballistic
:09:45. > :09:49.missile. Donald Trump is playing with fire and not essentially
:09:50. > :09:54.understanding what he is doing. The fire is caused by Kim Jong-Il and
:09:55. > :09:58.the North Koreans. As a Democrat, I think Donald Trump has been
:09:59. > :10:03.relatively restrained. I don't like his tweeting. I don't like him
:10:04. > :10:06.saying that he wants to meet Kim Jong-Un and that it would be an
:10:07. > :10:10.honour. I want him to have a coherent policy with his military
:10:11. > :10:16.advisers, our allies, bring it up at the G20. Try something new. But I
:10:17. > :10:22.think diplomacy is the only option. There is no sound military option. I
:10:23. > :10:25.think Kim Jong-Il and wants to provoke the international community.
:10:26. > :10:30.We shouldn't let him get away with that. We should be united in our
:10:31. > :10:35.efforts to squeeze him and the key is China. And the key is China.
:10:36. > :10:40.China has not stepped up. I want to come to the role you've played the
:10:41. > :10:44.past. The G20 will be a public thing. State to state diplomacy
:10:45. > :10:49.hasn't shown to be working. Are there back channels that need to be
:10:50. > :10:56.activated quickly and strongly? Yes. Let's look at new back channels.
:10:57. > :10:59.Private groups. Perhaps the Vatican. Perhaps China can play a mediating
:11:00. > :11:05.role by saying Kim Jong-Un, you've got to sit down and talk to the
:11:06. > :11:07.South Koreans and the Americans. Let's get this new president of
:11:08. > :11:13.South Korea who is ready to engage with North Korea, and in
:11:14. > :11:17.humanitarian issues, maybe he can be a channel. But let's try something
:11:18. > :11:25.new because the traditional China US South Korea in the past, six party
:11:26. > :11:33.talks, that isn't working. Are you optimistic on a scale from one to
:11:34. > :11:38.ten? I am about three right now and its dwindling. I'm worried, I'm
:11:39. > :11:41.really worried. But I think eventually the international
:11:42. > :11:46.community will develop a strategy. And hopefully Kim Jong-Un will come
:11:47. > :11:50.to his senses. But I wouldn't count on it right away. I think he is
:11:51. > :11:53.going to stretch it out. Thanks very much.
:11:54. > :12:01.We'll tuition fees in England stay or go? Labour wanted to scrap them.
:12:02. > :12:04.And it looks like the government was listening, following their
:12:05. > :12:11.disastrous election result. Damian Green stated there should be a
:12:12. > :12:15.national debate on fees. That's because the ISS has released a
:12:16. > :12:19.report which says students in England are going to graduate with
:12:20. > :12:27.an average debt of nearly ?51,000 and will be paying it off well into
:12:28. > :12:30.their 50s. -- that's because the IFS has released a report.
:12:31. > :12:33.But University Minister Jo Johnson today insisted they would stay.
:12:34. > :12:40.The message to the country, that it is absolutely paramount we pay off
:12:41. > :12:44.the country's debt, we become solvent. Yet your message to
:12:45. > :12:52.students seems to be, if you get a debt of ?51,000 and it lasts for
:12:53. > :12:55.many years it doesn't matter. Isn't that a inconsistent message? We have
:12:56. > :13:02.a world-class education system. Three of the universities here in
:13:03. > :13:06.the world's top ten. They need to be funded. We need to share the costs
:13:07. > :13:11.of that funding between the individual student that gets to get
:13:12. > :13:18.higher earnings, higher earnings than those who don't go to
:13:19. > :13:22.university, and the high tax payers. You called Jeremy Corbyn a liar when
:13:23. > :13:29.he said the fees discourage poor students from going to universities.
:13:30. > :13:33.He said he was a liar. Before poor students had maintenance grants. Now
:13:34. > :13:39.they don't. Poor students have maintenance loans and they also have
:13:40. > :13:44.their tuition loans. Student loans. Therefore poorer students come off
:13:45. > :13:49.worse. I didn't use the word liar. I said he was factually wrong. The
:13:50. > :13:54.number of students... Maintenance loans... Our finance system is
:13:55. > :13:58.allowing them to go to university in record numbers. But they don't have
:13:59. > :14:01.maintenance grants any more, they have maintenance loans. If they get
:14:02. > :14:07.a well-paid job they are worse off. I don't accept that. The government
:14:08. > :14:13.has made more financial support. But they are paying more. They have the
:14:14. > :14:18.cash in hand enable -- they have the cash in hand so they can go to
:14:19. > :14:22.university. Once they are in a job earning above ?21,000. So they are
:14:23. > :14:26.not saddled with debt. They don't have too pay until they are earning.
:14:27. > :14:30.But poorer students have to pay back more and they are worse off than a
:14:31. > :14:35.lot of other students. And worse off if they get a better job, actually
:14:36. > :14:40.worse off. There is a different way of putting it. But that's the right
:14:41. > :14:43.way of putting it. The government is making more resources available for
:14:44. > :14:47.people from poorer backgrounds. They have the chance to go to university
:14:48. > :14:51.and they are. This government says it is all about continued learning.
:14:52. > :14:57.You wanted to have mature student and part-time students. But there
:14:58. > :15:02.has been a drop mature students of 56% since tuition fees came in.
:15:03. > :15:08.Exactly the opposite of what you wanted over the last five years.
:15:09. > :15:15.One of the reasons is so many people are going to university for the
:15:16. > :15:20.first time when they are younger and not seeking to acquire higher
:15:21. > :15:27.education later in life. People need to retrain as their jobs change? We
:15:28. > :15:36.have an exceptionally strong labour market so the appeal of part-time is
:15:37. > :15:41.at diminishing... Part-time study. When there is a buoyant Lega market,
:15:42. > :15:49.the cost of going into part-time study is higher than when there are
:15:50. > :15:52.fewer jobs around. So we have diminishing part-time students? We
:15:53. > :15:56.have a buoyant labour market so there are lots of part-time jobs for
:15:57. > :16:02.people to go to. I am not denying there have been lots of barriers to
:16:03. > :16:05.part-time studying and that is why there is a part-time maintenance
:16:06. > :16:09.loan for the first time and that will help address some of these
:16:10. > :16:13.financial problems. But mature students and part-time students tend
:16:14. > :16:18.to be the poorest so they are proportionately again going to have
:16:19. > :16:26.more debt even if they are in well-paid jobs? This is about
:16:27. > :16:30.sharing the cost of how we fund a higher education programme. We have
:16:31. > :16:37.seen an increase in funding since our reforms. We want that to
:16:38. > :16:46.continue. You have a situation in the United Kingdom where the debts,
:16:47. > :16:50.?50,000, ?50,800, double the regular US debt student comes out with. You
:16:51. > :17:00.cannot be happy about that, double with what they pay in America? We
:17:01. > :17:05.need a sustainable cost funding university and the individual
:17:06. > :17:10.student will have a much higher lifetime learning trajectory. It is
:17:11. > :17:17.a fair system. Are you happy with that? Yes. The OECD, which looks at
:17:18. > :17:20.these finance systems of higher education around the world have said
:17:21. > :17:24.we are one of the few countries in the world to have cracked it. You
:17:25. > :17:30.are happy that the debt burden the student is tries than the American
:17:31. > :17:36.won? What I am happy with is we have a sustainable finance student system
:17:37. > :17:42.that allows people to go to university. You are 43% more likely
:17:43. > :17:46.to go to university if you are from a disadvantaged background today
:17:47. > :17:51.than you were in 1997. That is why Jeremy Corbyn is wrong to say
:17:52. > :17:57.working-class students are going to university less than before. It is
:17:58. > :18:01.factually wrong to say that. If everything is rosy in the garden,
:18:02. > :18:04.why is the Deputy Prime Minister saying he thinks there could be a
:18:05. > :18:11.debate about tuition fees in England. He is second in charge to
:18:12. > :18:13.Theresa May, you are the universities minister and you
:18:14. > :18:18.disagree with him. It is another example of this government looking
:18:19. > :18:32.in two directions at once. Damien is right, we need to look at the facts
:18:33. > :18:36.that exposes Labour's tuition fees. If you read his comments carefully,
:18:37. > :18:42.he was calling for time to expose the shortcomings of Labour's tuition
:18:43. > :18:45.fees policies which would lead to university is being unsustainable
:18:46. > :18:51.and the re-imposition of student number controls, which we have
:18:52. > :18:54.taken. It would stop more people from disadvantaged backgrounds going
:18:55. > :18:59.to university. There will be absolutely no change to the system
:19:00. > :19:03.under this Conservative government? We have a good system, enabling more
:19:04. > :19:06.people from disadvantaged backgrounds to go to university it
:19:07. > :19:11.is sustainable the funding universities. It is working and we
:19:12. > :19:15.wouldn't want to change the fundamental features. We always want
:19:16. > :19:17.to keep it under review to make sure it is fair and effective. Thank you
:19:18. > :19:19.very much. Before the election
:19:20. > :19:21.Theresa May was clear - she wanted a mandate
:19:22. > :19:23.for her version of Brexit. But the mess that she says
:19:24. > :19:26.she created with the election result means that she has lost authority
:19:27. > :19:28.to dictate terms. Now some MPs are pushing
:19:29. > :19:31.for a different vision of Britain's Two allies bound together
:19:32. > :19:40.by historic ties. Eight decades after our wartime
:19:41. > :19:43.alliance, could our friends to the North provide a template
:19:44. > :19:46.for the UK as we negotiate In quieter corners of Westminster,
:19:47. > :19:55.there are calls for the UK to follow the example of Norway
:19:56. > :19:57.during a transitional period Some senior figures,
:19:58. > :20:06.still struggling to come to terms with the referendum,
:20:07. > :20:09.even whisper that what they are calling Norway for Now, could turn
:20:10. > :20:14.into a permanent arrangement. Under the Norway option,
:20:15. > :20:20.the UK would negotiate a semidetached relationship
:20:21. > :20:23.with the EU as a member of a club Brexit supporters are likely to be
:20:24. > :20:28.alarmed by some of the club rules, which would mean membership
:20:29. > :20:30.of the single market, accepting the free movement
:20:31. > :20:33.of people with some rights No vote, only
:20:34. > :20:38.consultation on EU rules. Accepting the rulings
:20:39. > :20:42.of a special court which always complies with judgments
:20:43. > :20:47.from the European Court of Justice. Substantial contributions
:20:48. > :20:50.to the EU budget. But Brexit supporters
:20:51. > :20:53.might be encouraged that under the club rules,
:20:54. > :20:56.the UK would be out of the Common No longer part of the common
:20:57. > :21:03.fisheries policy and outs of the customs union,
:21:04. > :21:06.freeing up the UK to strike up trade The father of the Tory
:21:07. > :21:12.modernisation project, who made a point of not
:21:13. > :21:14.showing his hand during Britain in the EEA would be
:21:15. > :21:20.in the single market with all of the benefits
:21:21. > :21:24.of certainty that brings for businesses who are really
:21:25. > :21:28.concerned about the supply chain But outside the customs union
:21:29. > :21:33.so we could make our I think in many ways,
:21:34. > :21:40.as a holding pattern, the EEA option has a huge amount
:21:41. > :21:43.to recommend it. Yes, we would continue to be
:21:44. > :21:49.making some contributions. That, compared with the loss
:21:50. > :21:53.of revenue that would come, if we have a real economic slowdown,
:21:54. > :21:59.that would be kind Yes, you would have to accept some
:22:00. > :22:04.kind of freedom of movement, although how much, remains
:22:05. > :22:06.to be seen. It's not a certainty,
:22:07. > :22:08.it's not an absolute. You don't have a wrote
:22:09. > :22:10.on those rules... But one veteran pro-European
:22:11. > :22:11.has his doubts. I think politically,
:22:12. > :22:13.as a long-term solution, it's not viable because the British
:22:14. > :22:17.people in the referendum, the general analysis is,
:22:18. > :22:22.they voted to restrict free movement, so I think
:22:23. > :22:24.the problem with Norway is, it has free movement of people
:22:25. > :22:27.with the EU. The prospect of the UK modelling
:22:28. > :22:30.itself on Norway is being canvassed by supporters of a so-called soft
:22:31. > :22:33.Brexit, who feel newly emboldened by Theresa May's setback
:22:34. > :22:37.in the general election. They believe that Philip Hammond's
:22:38. > :22:40.recent talk of a lengthy transitional period has given them
:22:41. > :22:43.license to highlight Norway Under their breath, they are also
:22:44. > :23:00.saying that the so-called Norway for Now option would allow the UK
:23:01. > :23:03.to hug the EU very close Some Leave supporters have told
:23:04. > :23:07.Newsnight they could sign up to the Norway option,
:23:08. > :23:09.as long as it's subject Britain would also need to win
:23:10. > :23:13.concessions, for example a 50% cut in EU migrants and 50% cut
:23:14. > :23:18.in contributions to the EU budget. But one minister told Newsnight
:23:19. > :23:22.the Norway option would amount to a strategic mistake of historic
:23:23. > :23:26.proportions, by turning the UK a rule taker,
:23:27. > :23:30.rather than a rule maker. If you are going in saying, look,
:23:31. > :23:38.I'll accept free movement, I'll accept paying in year in,
:23:39. > :23:41.year out, for now or otherwise. Why would your interlocutors ever
:23:42. > :23:44.give you a permanent deal? Why would they ever deliver a final
:23:45. > :23:48.deal, as long as you are paying, as long as you are effectively
:23:49. > :23:54.in the EU, because you are accepting free movement as well as accepting
:23:55. > :24:03.EU laws without even shaping them? As Westminster basks
:24:04. > :24:06.in another heatwave, the political atmosphere is gently
:24:07. > :24:08.calming down ahead Below the surface, however,
:24:09. > :24:29.Brexit keeps bubbling away. What does all this talk about Norway
:24:30. > :24:36.say about the state of Brexit? It shows there are some senior Tories
:24:37. > :24:41.that are advocating ideas she has dismissed. The Prime Minister is
:24:42. > :24:45.clear she is not interested in off-the-shelf solutions like Norway.
:24:46. > :24:50.She is clear Britain will negotiate its own bespoke gear. The most
:24:51. > :24:54.senior person flexing their muscles is Philip Hammond. I am hearing
:24:55. > :24:59.stories before the election, when he tried to raise concerns with Number
:25:00. > :25:03.Ten about the possible economic consequences of Brexit, he was told
:25:04. > :25:08.you of being overly pessimistic. The Chancellor is not talking in private
:25:09. > :25:13.or in public about this Norway for now option. But some of his allies
:25:14. > :25:20.are saying this could provide what he wants, which is a stable landing
:25:21. > :25:28.for the UK economy in the transitional period. People are less
:25:29. > :25:34.afraid of speaking out to the reason now since the election. Moore is
:25:35. > :25:39.getting through. Tell me what others are saying who are pro-Brexiteers?
:25:40. > :25:44.Some are saying they could live with this idea on the way, but others are
:25:45. > :25:48.deeply suspicious. One senior figure told me it is about trying to weaken
:25:49. > :26:00.Brexit in the hope of overturning the referendum. They are not remain
:26:01. > :26:05.as, they are reversers. I am hearing talk in some quarters that Brexit
:26:06. > :26:10.might not happen. I am talking to one Leave supporter who now fears
:26:11. > :26:14.that the combination of stalling economy and investor fear over
:26:15. > :26:18.possible Jeremy Corbyn Premiership could create a storm that would
:26:19. > :26:22.stall Brexit. I spoke to another person who is familiar with the
:26:23. > :26:27.Brexit process who said they think there is a strong chance it may not
:26:28. > :26:31.actually happen. But I did speak to one senior Brexiteer who is
:26:32. > :26:41.absolutely confident Brexit will happen, if only for one very simple
:26:42. > :26:43.reason, divisions mean the legislation paving the way for
:26:44. > :26:45.Brexit will get through Parliament. Nick, thanks very much.
:26:46. > :26:48.It has been a very short leap from The Stepford Wives
:26:49. > :26:51.to The Handmaids Tale a decade later, to female sex robots
:26:52. > :26:54.for hire now in brothels in Asia and in Europe -
:26:55. > :26:56.and which will soon be for sale, with AI, speech and movement,
:26:57. > :27:03.TV drama has long been rehearsing the arguments
:27:04. > :27:09.I'd rather make out with my Monroe-bot.
:27:10. > :27:13.Billy, do you want to get a paper round and earn some extra cash?
:27:14. > :27:15.No thanks, Dad, I'd rather make out with my Monroe-bot.
:27:16. > :27:18.Billy, do you want to come over tonight, we can make out together?
:27:19. > :27:20.Gee, Mavis, your house is across the street,
:27:21. > :27:25.that's an awfully long way to go for making out.
:27:26. > :27:27.Did you notice what went wrong in that scene?
:27:28. > :27:30.Ordinarily, Billy would work hard to make money with his paper route.
:27:31. > :27:33.Then he'd use the money to buy dinner for Mavis,
:27:34. > :27:37.thus earning a slim chance to perform the reproductive act.
:27:38. > :27:40.But in a world where teens can date robots, why should he bother?
:27:41. > :27:59.Why in deed and is it acceptable to use so-called sexbots to redirect
:28:00. > :28:05.dark behaviour from Newman is the robots. If six robots can be
:28:06. > :28:09.programmed to put up resistance to a sexual aggressor who then rates the
:28:10. > :28:16.robot, will it make it more likely his next victim will be human? These
:28:17. > :28:28.are questions which discusses the controversial suggestions with the
:28:29. > :28:38.use of six robots to prevent crimes. Please welcome my guests. What
:28:39. > :28:43.basically is the issue about a robot who is capable of giving someone
:28:44. > :28:50.sexual pleasure? People get confused with the idea that somehow a robot
:28:51. > :28:54.is like a vibrator. A vibrator is something you rub on your body part.
:28:55. > :29:00.I don't have a problem with objects you rub on your body parts. Could
:29:01. > :29:07.they not be any shape, the shape of a female person? We are not just
:29:08. > :29:12.talking about something you rub on your genitals, it has a complete
:29:13. > :29:20.female form. It is still a machine. But it is piggybacking from ideas in
:29:21. > :29:26.the pawn industry. Do you take the view is that it is pornographic?
:29:27. > :29:30.Now, a vibrator is objectifying a male body part, even more
:29:31. > :29:35.dehumanising because it is not the whole model it is presenting when
:29:36. > :29:39.you are using it. On the point that the standard view is, if it gives
:29:40. > :29:45.you pleasure and is not doing any harm to anybody, you take the view
:29:46. > :29:51.it is OK? I would, but what I don't like is these robots are modelled as
:29:52. > :29:59.women. It is something we have known about the pawn industry for ever it
:30:00. > :30:07.is men making women for pleasure. We don't want to come 20 or 30 years
:30:08. > :30:14.down the line to issues that have not been addressed. I wonder when
:30:15. > :30:24.you actually read this report, robots with AI and can speak, are
:30:25. > :30:28.coming soon, what do you think about the idea who can be resistant to six
:30:29. > :30:33.and then what might happen is that there might be a scream and then the
:30:34. > :30:39.robot might be hit three or four times and then gives in? That is
:30:40. > :30:42.mimicking rate. Is that more likely, in your view, encourage human to
:30:43. > :30:50.human rate or be a way of deflecting?
:30:51. > :30:57.We have had to look at the fact that we are even asking this question.
:30:58. > :31:01.But it'll be a reality soon. The point about sex robots, they'll
:31:02. > :31:08.really a product of the porn industry. What we have created with
:31:09. > :31:11.pornography is this detachment between sex and intimacy, we have
:31:12. > :31:15.turned it into a commodity. We are getting young boys at the age of
:31:16. > :31:21.nine watching pornography. Young girls turning up at clinics... That
:31:22. > :31:27.may be true. That's the generation that will be using these. What I am
:31:28. > :31:32.suggesting to you is that there is a difference between, as it were, an
:31:33. > :31:40.inanimate object, or one that is created now for the actual purpose
:31:41. > :31:44.of mimicking a rape victim. I talk to a lot of survivors of child
:31:45. > :31:48.sexual abuse and rape. I think they would be insulted to think you could
:31:49. > :31:52.compare something about their experience with a doll. However it's
:31:53. > :31:56.going to be part of the fantasy world that is being created for men.
:31:57. > :32:03.These dolls are coming. What would you say that they could be
:32:04. > :32:07.programmed and made to make responses? We have to talk about the
:32:08. > :32:14.good and bad, we always do with technology. There is something to be
:32:15. > :32:18.said to get them to work with people who have committed rape to
:32:19. > :32:23.rehabilitate them. Once somebody has done this many times with an
:32:24. > :32:28.inanimate object and had no push back, they might actually go out and
:32:29. > :32:33.rate humans. They have found from academics that have been studying
:32:34. > :32:40.the art technology with a response to people with paedophilic desires,
:32:41. > :32:48.they have try to see if these people would offend again or hurt children.
:32:49. > :32:54.-- studying VR technology. There is no research -- there is not enough
:32:55. > :32:58.research to see if it would encourage behaviour or stop it. It
:32:59. > :33:02.is a bit like we sat around a video nasty 's and porn. The idea that
:33:03. > :33:07.what ever you view will give you the idea to go and repeat it which isn't
:33:08. > :33:11.true for many people. This is outrageous to suggest such a thing,
:33:12. > :33:15.that we can experiment with younger children and test a product in
:33:16. > :33:21.society which would make somebody very wealthy. I've not said anything
:33:22. > :33:24.about experimenting with children. That paedophiles have to have a
:33:25. > :33:32.paedophilic experience. There should be an absolute ban. We actually know
:33:33. > :33:40.that there is a child sex robots. It is on the market. Not in this
:33:41. > :33:45.country. This report is saying that these should be outlawed. Is that
:33:46. > :33:53.your view? This is good. They are only just catching up. We said there
:33:54. > :34:00.should be a ban on these. Because children cannot protect themselves.
:34:01. > :34:05.I would agree. Not for pleasurable use. But there is evidence to
:34:06. > :34:09.suggest they could be used for therapeutic use. That needs to be
:34:10. > :34:13.researched more thoroughly by those that are already researching it in
:34:14. > :34:15.Canada. They use the images to see if these offenders will reoffend.
:34:16. > :34:17.Thank you very much. It's now 50 years since
:34:18. > :34:19.the Summer of Love, but echoes of that groovy season
:34:20. > :34:21.keep repeating, Talking of which, police have
:34:22. > :34:25.stepped up patrols in a remote Welsh village which was once the scene
:34:26. > :34:27.of a high-profile drugs bust on an LSD factory,
:34:28. > :34:30.later immortalised in a song A former officer involved
:34:31. > :34:38.in the raid says he believes a cache of high grade acid tabs
:34:39. > :34:40.and ill-gotten money may be buried in nearby woods, which is why police
:34:41. > :34:47.activity has increased. Our Culture Editor Stephen Smith
:34:48. > :34:50.went to the village of Carno Come with us on a trip
:34:51. > :35:09.to Carno in mid Wales, the kind of idyllic village that
:35:10. > :35:15.seems to have one of everything. Oh, and a major class
:35:16. > :35:31.A drugs factory, as was. This was the scene of notorious drug
:35:32. > :35:34.bust, Operation Julie, Gumbo!#.
:35:35. > :35:43.for the Drug Squad -- Police smashed an LSD lab this
:35:44. > :35:59.old Mansion house loving -- Police smashed an LSD lab this
:36:00. > :36:02.old Mansion house following a surveillance operation involving
:36:03. > :36:04.a caravan full of plainclothes officers living hugger-mugger
:36:05. > :36:12.in a muddy field. Millions of pounds worth of assets
:36:13. > :36:15.was produced in these cellars. It was a large proportion
:36:16. > :36:17.of the supply reaching Farmer Hugh Thomas
:36:18. > :36:20.saw it all happen. And this car came into the yard
:36:21. > :36:26.with a person walking out of it and we knew straightaway
:36:27. > :36:28.they were police officers. The police took it over
:36:29. > :36:35.and they dug the well out. It sounds like something out
:36:36. > :36:38.of the Sweeney, though. The police grabbed the JCB digger
:36:39. > :36:40.and they pulled a well out. Something like that
:36:41. > :36:47.sticks in your mind. Pure LSD crystals were found buried
:36:48. > :36:54.in another part of the garden. For a time afterwards
:36:55. > :36:57.police recovered drugs from near the mansion,
:36:58. > :37:02.but did they get it all? One person who doesn't
:37:03. > :37:05.believe so is former policeman Steve Bentley,
:37:06. > :37:10.who was once holed up in that cosy From the bar of that one pub
:37:11. > :37:18.I mentioned in Carno, Newsnight spoke to Steve who now
:37:19. > :37:20.lives in the Philippines. That stash is still buried
:37:21. > :37:22.there within the grounds OK, so, then I checked
:37:23. > :37:37.with a former colleague. And I said, hey, was a thorough
:37:38. > :37:44.search made of the grounds come His answer was no because
:37:45. > :37:53.the passage of time. So, could there be other intoxicants
:37:54. > :37:55.in the Village apart Just talking to people
:37:56. > :37:58.particularly recently, I don't think anybody has been
:37:59. > :38:00.discounting the possibility. There was the lab equipment
:38:01. > :38:02.hidden in the world. The fact they may have hidden LSD
:38:03. > :38:08.is a distinct possibility. It was time to call
:38:09. > :38:11.on the former drugs lab. Now home to the thoroughly
:38:12. > :38:13.respectable Sue Marsh This was the cellar where
:38:14. > :38:18.the illicit magic happened. Sue's husband keeps his
:38:19. > :38:23.fishing tackle here. Have you had any psychedelic
:38:24. > :38:25.experiences in the house, Sue? We have a ghost up
:38:26. > :38:32.in the attic bedroom. I think it's a Victorian
:38:33. > :38:37.lady, little, in white, Do you think I could be
:38:38. > :38:47.picking up something. What's the best interpretation,
:38:48. > :38:50.the acid or the ghost? We've had the police
:38:51. > :38:57.round every day. What have they been
:38:58. > :39:05.doing and saying? They've been guarding
:39:06. > :39:07.the house and guarding us. We did think, though,
:39:08. > :39:13.that last week we may have people coming up,
:39:14. > :39:15.digging into the woods. My son found some jars,
:39:16. > :39:18.sealed jars, and he has handed them to the police,
:39:19. > :39:25.but we've had no feedback. Is there a fortune in contraband
:39:26. > :39:32.in these here hills? And could Newsnight
:39:33. > :39:35.succeed in unearthing it No, I don't think, there
:39:36. > :39:49.is nothing here that... Perhaps I'll have a mooch about
:39:50. > :39:55.and see if I can find it, shall I? It's not like us at all,
:39:56. > :40:05.but it's almost as if we've We leave you with the winners
:40:06. > :40:21.of the annual awards The rule is, as you probably worked
:40:22. > :40:25.out, all the pictures have to be Submitting artists can
:40:26. > :41:34.use their real names It looks as though Thursday could
:41:35. > :41:38.start with a bang. Especially in the south-east quarter where there could
:41:39. > :41:39.be a rumble of thunder accompanying some of these showers. Not
:41:40. > :41:40.torrential