:00:09. > :00:16.COMMENTATOR: He's a one-man world superpower, victory for Mo Farah!
:00:17. > :00:20.STUDIO: A victory lap tonight for Mo,
:00:21. > :00:23.but what of the sport As athletics fights
:00:24. > :00:26.to clean up its act, how confident is the head
:00:27. > :00:28.of the world anti-doping agency At the moment, without doubt,
:00:29. > :00:32.the toughest thing that I've ever Also tonight - is Kenya facing
:00:33. > :00:36.another bloody election? We, as supporters,
:00:37. > :00:45.will have to fight And this British man died
:00:46. > :00:50.battling IS alongside His mother joins us to share her
:00:51. > :01:05.thoughts on his legacy. There were familiar scenes
:01:06. > :01:11.at London's Olympic Stadium tonight as Sir Mo Farah won another
:01:12. > :01:14.10,000 metre gold in It's been just five years
:01:15. > :01:19.since Farah made his name as London, world athletics and British
:01:20. > :01:22.brilliance combined to create an Olympic Games that ranked among
:01:23. > :01:25.the most successful in history But since then athletics has been
:01:26. > :01:34.mired in doping scandals which has seen the Russian team excluded
:01:35. > :01:36.from international competitions and Mo Farah has never failed a drugs
:01:37. > :01:49.test. But his coach Alberto Salazar
:01:50. > :01:50.remains the subject of an investigation by US anti
:01:51. > :01:53.doping chiefs - though of course Some in the sport are critical of
:01:54. > :02:10.the speed at which the investigation that could clear them
:02:11. > :02:11.has been conducted. And what will become of the sport
:02:12. > :02:16.once Mo and its other big names like Usain Bolt depart
:02:17. > :02:21.after these games? COMMENTATOR: The women's 1500 metres
:02:22. > :02:25.gets underway. The London Olympics in 2012 was a triumph in semi-ways
:02:26. > :02:35.by doping is casting an ever darker shadow over it -- so many wastrels
:02:36. > :02:39.of this race has been dubbed the dirtiest traceable time, the winner
:02:40. > :02:44.was previously banned for two years from 2004 on two 2006, she has been
:02:45. > :02:53.stripped of the gold medal and has been serving a ban and the silver
:02:54. > :02:59.medallist has also been found guilty of irregularities in her biological
:03:00. > :03:04.passport. The fifth placed runner was later banned for meldonium use
:03:05. > :03:10.but had her suspension overturned. In seventh place, an athlete banned
:03:11. > :03:14.for biological passport abnormalities and in ninth place an
:03:15. > :03:19.athlete who will be banned for two years for the attended use of a
:03:20. > :03:24.prohibited substance or method. The Mail on Sunday calculated that of
:03:25. > :03:30.650 athletes, at track and field finals at London 2012, 87 have had
:03:31. > :03:38.doping violations. It has increased now to 88, a further 188 have doping
:03:39. > :03:45.associations, either their coach or agent or doctor is associated or
:03:46. > :03:47.they have missed or failed a test. The World Championships that started
:03:48. > :03:52.today was supposed to draw a line under the saga, medals are being
:03:53. > :03:56.rewarded and Russia is still not here because of its doping
:03:57. > :04:06.violations. The Russian athletes who are here compete as independents. We
:04:07. > :04:15.can use some Russian close with the Russian flag colours, they are
:04:16. > :04:20.strict rules, so we can use any kind of science on your body and in your
:04:21. > :04:27.hair, with a Russian flag, something even close to this will stop so how
:04:28. > :04:31.confident should we be? It is possible to have a sport where the
:04:32. > :04:34.vast majority of people you are watching our clean and I think that
:04:35. > :04:39.is the case, it is harder for an athlete to cheat and you have got to
:04:40. > :04:45.take the federations usually, to ban a whole country in Russia is a
:04:46. > :04:48.serious step to take. People will be looking at the 2017 World
:04:49. > :04:52.Championships in London with scepticism which is what athletics
:04:53. > :04:57.deserves given its track record, and there will be dozens of convicted
:04:58. > :05:02.dopers taking part in the championships, that's a matter of
:05:03. > :05:08.public record, people who have taken drugs and come back from bands.
:05:09. > :05:12.Public trust matters. All the athletes you watch running for Great
:05:13. > :05:17.Britain have been subsidised by the National Lottery which has changed
:05:18. > :05:22.the face of athletics. If the public lose faith in athletics, it will be
:05:23. > :05:25.harder to justify lottery spending, and they have got to win medals, as
:05:26. > :05:30.well, and that will get harder without the likes of Mo Farah and
:05:31. > :05:39.Jessica Ennis-Hill and Rutherford not jumping. Athletics will face a
:05:40. > :05:49.challenge as Usain Bolt believes the sport, a paragon of clean living.
:05:50. > :05:54.The fastest 30 times in that event have been run entirely by dopers
:05:55. > :06:01.apart from The Times clock by Usain Bolt. The person who has
:06:02. > :06:03.single-handedly carried the sport, almost, he has transcended the
:06:04. > :06:10.sport, a global superstar but he won't be there after this year. That
:06:11. > :06:15.will be a very big void to fill. The passing of a great may show up the
:06:16. > :06:23.depth of the problems in track and field. Chris Cook, reporting.
:06:24. > :06:26.Sir Craig Reedie is a few months into his second term
:06:27. > :06:30.as President of WADA, the world anti-doping agency,
:06:31. > :06:32.and as such the man ultimately responsible for cleaning
:06:33. > :06:36.Earlier this evening I button-holed him outside his hotel
:06:37. > :06:40.Luckily, we also managed to borrow a couple of chairs
:06:41. > :06:49.I began by asking him how tarnished athletics is now compare to his
:06:50. > :06:52.career as a badminton player. Athletics certainly suffered
:06:53. > :06:56.from the revelations in 2015, when the biggest country
:06:57. > :07:02.in the world was clearly involved in cheating, and secondly
:07:03. > :07:05.when the International Federation I think they are making progress
:07:06. > :07:16.and I encourage them to do that, and we work closely with them
:07:17. > :07:18.as they do that. We have one of our finest athletes,
:07:19. > :07:22.Mo Farah, running in London under His coach, Alberto
:07:23. > :07:29.Salazar, won't be here. There are reports, as you know,
:07:30. > :07:32.of suppression of investigations. So it isn't just the Russians that
:07:33. > :07:35.leave a slightly sour taste. Well, you can remember
:07:36. > :07:39.after the Rio games, the discord and trouble caused
:07:40. > :07:43.by an organisation called the Fancy Bears, who reacted
:07:44. > :07:45.to what they saw as treatment They were, who immediately of course
:07:46. > :07:55.found people who had therapeutic use exemptions who happened to come
:07:56. > :08:00.from Western medal-winning countries Personally, I'm disappointed
:08:01. > :08:08.in that it has taken too long This has been going on for
:08:09. > :08:15.about three years now. I think the United States
:08:16. > :08:17.Anti-Doping Agency would be well served if they reached a decision
:08:18. > :08:20.sooner rather than later. Can the people lining up
:08:21. > :08:27.on the starting line at these games be more confident
:08:28. > :08:29.than they were in Rio, more confident than they were in London,
:08:30. > :08:32.the clean athletes, can they be confident that they're not lining up
:08:33. > :08:35.against doped athletes? Athletics here have pre-games tested
:08:36. > :08:38.any number of athletes. There have been something
:08:39. > :08:40.like 5,000 different urine There will be another 600
:08:41. > :08:47.done in competition. So athletes know that,
:08:48. > :08:50.and it would be foolish for any In addition, they will keep samples
:08:51. > :08:55.from London for a period So if you're so smart that
:08:56. > :09:00.you don't get caught now, the chances are that you will be
:09:01. > :09:03.caught at some date in the future. So I assure you that
:09:04. > :09:06.everything is being done, That said, I can't sit here and be
:09:07. > :09:16.complacent in any way. This is an argument that has to go
:09:17. > :09:19.on on a day-to-day basis. And it would also help if we had
:09:20. > :09:27.a bit more money to do it. For me, as a fan of athletics,
:09:28. > :09:30.it's the dope users who pass the tests that are the problem,
:09:31. > :09:34.not the ones who fail the tests, because the technology
:09:35. > :09:38.and the effort, the laboratories we read about, the supplements,
:09:39. > :09:41.the mysterious substances crossing borders in Jiffy bags,
:09:42. > :09:45.the effort that is put into not failing the dope tests
:09:46. > :09:48.is where the attention surely needs People need to understand
:09:49. > :09:52.that this is an ongoing and changing situation,
:09:53. > :09:57.every minute of every day. We have our own investigations
:09:58. > :09:59.department and our own But to run both of these,
:10:00. > :10:04.you need to have large And how you collect that information
:10:05. > :10:14.is time-consuming and expensive, and when you analyse it,
:10:15. > :10:18.you act properly on it. When I say act properly,
:10:19. > :10:20.we are a sports organisation. Sometimes it would help if we had
:10:21. > :10:24.law enforcement more But I refuse to sit here and say
:10:25. > :10:30.either that we have no problem, or even worse, from my point
:10:31. > :10:34.of view, "I'm sorry, I'm so depressed that I'm
:10:35. > :10:36.not prepared to carry It's like that Greek fella pushing
:10:37. > :10:42.the rock up the hill and when he got to the top,
:10:43. > :10:46.it started rolling back down again. It is without doubt the toughest
:10:47. > :10:50.thing I have tried to do in sport. Success looks like a much,
:10:51. > :10:58.much reduced number of athletes being caught cheating
:10:59. > :11:03.by testing positive. We have to be smart
:11:04. > :11:07.in our own research, in our own understanding,
:11:08. > :11:09.that we test for the correct substance in the correct athlete
:11:10. > :11:12.in the correct event, I have a sense that the police,
:11:13. > :11:18.as in many areas of life, many areas of wrongdoing,
:11:19. > :11:21.the police, which is you, are playing catch up
:11:22. > :11:23.with the criminal. Well, I would like to think
:11:24. > :11:25.we are closer to them than you might think,
:11:26. > :11:29.James. David Walsh is chief sports writer
:11:30. > :11:33.for the Sunday Times and was responsible for exposing
:11:34. > :11:35.doping by the cyclist He has also written
:11:36. > :11:49.extensively about athletics It is unfortunate that we have to
:11:50. > :11:53.discuss Mo Farah's swansong in the context of the continuing
:11:54. > :11:59.investigation, how much does this pollute his legacy potentially? It
:12:00. > :12:05.doesn't enhance his legacy, that he has worked with Alberto Salazar, a
:12:06. > :12:09.coach who has a lot of questions to answer at the very least. Both
:12:10. > :12:14.adamant there has been no wrongdoing. Yes, years, but the
:12:15. > :12:19.United States anti-doping agency are still investigating Alberto Salazar
:12:20. > :12:22.and we have testimony from any athletes who worked with him who
:12:23. > :12:28.were unhappy about his methods. That isn't to say that Mo Farah dopes but
:12:29. > :12:33.it would be much better for his credibility if he had no connection
:12:34. > :12:39.with Alberto Salazar. You heard Craig Reedie being interviewed, he
:12:40. > :12:46.talks a good game, do you think that Wada is fit for purpose? It might be
:12:47. > :12:52.if it had sufficient funding. Craig Reedie is in his second term and I
:12:53. > :12:59.have a sense of a man who is only now getting a grip on the problem
:13:00. > :13:04.that exists. He has had a very unimpressive first term. When this
:13:05. > :13:10.Russian controversy broke, his initial reaction was to hope that it
:13:11. > :13:15.would pass without becoming a major controversy. Of course it was going
:13:16. > :13:24.to become a major controversy because we had outstanding
:13:25. > :13:29.whistle-blowers in Russia. Stepanov told us what was going on in Russia,
:13:30. > :13:33.and for the athletes who were competing... Who are competing in
:13:34. > :13:36.this World Championship in London now, it is significant that there
:13:37. > :13:41.are not many Russians here, the Russian team is not there, and that
:13:42. > :13:46.is to athletics credit that they have basically kicked out Russia for
:13:47. > :13:54.the Rio games and they are still out. Chris Cook's film earlier, that
:13:55. > :13:58.was astonishing, to see the women's race in which almost everyone was
:13:59. > :14:02.found to have been in some sort of contravention of the rules. Are you
:14:03. > :14:10.confident that webby happening in London in the next few days? --
:14:11. > :14:13.won't be happening. Yes, I am. The IAAF was corrupt at that time and
:14:14. > :14:18.the people were aiding and abetting doping and some of them were
:14:19. > :14:23.profiting from doping so we have the most appalling situation. Many
:14:24. > :14:29.British people will have great memories of London 2012 but much of
:14:30. > :14:35.what we watched was fraudulent and the legacy has been besmirched by
:14:36. > :14:39.that. I don't think the IAAF is corrupt today in the way it was then
:14:40. > :14:42.and I think there have been great improvements and the fact they have
:14:43. > :14:48.voted to sanction Russia in the way they have. That is to their credit.
:14:49. > :14:53.Will there be any dopers involved in these games? Of course. I don't
:14:54. > :14:58.think you can watch any major event in athletics and in some other
:14:59. > :15:06.sports and not have some dopers but there will be less. One thing we
:15:07. > :15:12.should all remember, the greatest controversy we have seen in terms of
:15:13. > :15:15.doping was enacted at the Winter Olympics where the Russian state
:15:16. > :15:20.conspired to cheat their way to gold medals, what they did was substitute
:15:21. > :15:25.you're in because that was the only where they could beat the tests for
:15:26. > :15:28.the not many countries could do that because that involve huge planning
:15:29. > :15:33.and the involvement of the state police and the former KGB. Many of
:15:34. > :15:38.those agents were involved, and that isn't going to happen in many other
:15:39. > :15:43.places, but the reason Russia did that is because the anti-doping
:15:44. > :15:50.tests do work anti-circumvention MP had to actually substitute -- they
:15:51. > :15:54.actually had to substitute. They could be far more effective than
:15:55. > :15:57.they are and the doping problem would be either would say
:15:58. > :16:02.significantly less if we put enough money into it. Very briefly, with
:16:03. > :16:06.big stars heading off into the sunset like Hussein Barr, is the
:16:07. > :16:12.sport heading into the doldrums? -- Usain Bolt. Athletics is losing its
:16:13. > :16:20.audience, no doubt, and losing Mo Farah and especially Usain Bolt
:16:21. > :16:23.won't help, but sport survives. Golf is used to worry about what would
:16:24. > :16:26.happen when Tiger Woods went into decline, that happened, and golf is
:16:27. > :16:31.still there. Athletics will live long after Mo Farah and Usain Bolt.
:16:32. > :16:35.Thanks for joining us. The incumbent, President Uhuru
:16:36. > :16:40.Kenyatta is up against his old rival Raila Odinga, who's trying
:16:41. > :16:43.for what will be his fourth - and, at 72, possibly his last -
:16:44. > :16:46.attempt to become president. The polls suggest it's close,
:16:47. > :16:48.and given Kenya's recent history, how the election is run,
:16:49. > :16:51.who wins and how the loser takes it, will decide whether the country
:16:52. > :16:54.descends into violence as it did a decade ago, or becomes a champion
:16:55. > :16:58.of African democracy. Tensions are running high -
:16:59. > :17:01.not helped by the brutal abduction, torture and murder this week
:17:02. > :17:03.of the man in charge This from the BBC's
:17:04. > :17:09.Africa Correspondent It's not just politicians who bring
:17:10. > :17:21.rallies to the slums of Nairobi. If anyone gets upset
:17:22. > :17:26.about the election result, the violence will break out here,
:17:27. > :17:28.and so they're urging Rachel is a feminist
:17:29. > :17:37.and an activist in Mathare, one of the biggest
:17:38. > :17:41.slums in the capital. The march is straddling two wards
:17:42. > :17:46.with different politics. If Kenyans are told
:17:47. > :17:48.the election was free and fair, Even in the slums, as much
:17:49. > :17:55.as they are using words to criminalise us, telling us it's
:17:56. > :17:57.a hotspot, if they know the election is free
:17:58. > :18:05.and fair, they cannot disturb. Rallies have been romping
:18:06. > :18:07.across the country for weeks. This is opposition orange,
:18:08. > :18:10.and green, and blue and white. The National Super Alliance,
:18:11. > :18:12.they're called, Nasa, five opposition parties
:18:13. > :18:17.on one ticket. Raila Odinga is their
:18:18. > :18:20.presidential candidate, Since then, the Odingas have
:18:21. > :18:31.always been in opposition. It's his fourth attempt to get
:18:32. > :18:34.the top job, and at 72, probably his last, and that makes
:18:35. > :18:36.the stakes even higher. "the driver is drunk
:18:37. > :18:42.and the conductor is a thief". Drivers and conductors
:18:43. > :18:51.aside, their alliance Uhuru Kenyatta, son
:18:52. > :18:58.of Kenya's first president. The big political dynasties
:18:59. > :19:01.live on more than 50 The success of this
:19:02. > :19:06.whole ballot depends The Independent Electoral
:19:07. > :19:10.and Boundaries Commission, or IEBC, In a country where vote-rigging has
:19:11. > :19:17.been suspected in the past and is expected in the future,
:19:18. > :19:21.their computerised voting system is the key to free
:19:22. > :19:24.and fair elections. If it works, fixing the result
:19:25. > :19:27.will be an awful lot harder The public demonstration went well,
:19:28. > :19:33.but if the computer system fails, And given what has
:19:34. > :19:38.happened in the past week, Chris Msando was the acting head
:19:39. > :19:45.of IT at the Electoral Commission, "The system's safe with me",
:19:46. > :19:52.he said, but then he disappeared. This time last week,
:19:53. > :19:54.he left the IEBC building and went He was meeting a 21-year-old
:19:55. > :20:03.graduate student known as Carol. What happened over the next few
:20:04. > :20:07.hours is a lot less certain. His Land Rover was seen
:20:08. > :20:10.driving across Nairobi. At one point, four people
:20:11. > :20:15.may have been inside, Elsewhere, he was on the phone
:20:16. > :20:20.looking agitated. First, his car was recovered
:20:21. > :20:27.on one side of town. Then on the other side of the city,
:20:28. > :20:30.two bodies were discovered. Both he and the young
:20:31. > :20:35.graduate, Carol Ngumbu, People jumped to their own
:20:36. > :20:41.conclusions, and it's put A senior Kenyan lawyer wants
:20:42. > :20:53.a commission of inquiry for this and other cases
:20:54. > :20:55.of what he calls Apart from being a chilling effect
:20:56. > :20:59.on the general populace and even other employees of the electoral
:21:00. > :21:04.body, it again just highlights how we have, for too long,
:21:05. > :21:10.left extrajudicial killings Corruption is a huge
:21:11. > :21:16.part of the problem. This footage was filmed
:21:17. > :21:19.by citizen journalists. It's common, and just
:21:20. > :21:24.the tip of the iceberg. The police officer stops,
:21:25. > :21:29.opens the door and grabs something. John-Allan Namu is an investigative
:21:30. > :21:31.journalist for Africa Corruption is endemic
:21:32. > :21:38.in this country. It's taken over very many parts
:21:39. > :21:40.of government operations. A third of our resources
:21:41. > :21:42.are believed to be lost It's driven by a lot
:21:43. > :21:49.of private-sector impunity, Nothing ever gets resolved.
:21:50. > :21:54.No one ever goes to jail. Ten years ago, terrible
:21:55. > :22:01.post-election ethnic violence killed more than 1,200 people amid claims
:22:02. > :22:04.that it was rigged, International Criminal Court charges
:22:05. > :22:12.against the deputy president and President Kenyatta collapsed
:22:13. > :22:18.when witnesses died mysteriously. At the last election,
:22:19. > :22:20.the computer system failed. Rachel's friends in Mathare
:22:21. > :22:24.are worried it will happen again. We are a bit scared,
:22:25. > :22:27.especially as women. The way things are going,
:22:28. > :22:34.we are all scared. He's saying the main
:22:35. > :22:36.issue we have is She's saying it will be peaceful
:22:37. > :22:45.as long as it is a free, But if it isn't free,
:22:46. > :22:53.fair and credible... This is obviously a group
:22:54. > :22:56.of opposition supporters. We want to live in a peaceful
:22:57. > :23:08.community, but if it happens by mistake, the Jubilee
:23:09. > :23:11.government rigs elections, we, he's saying we as Nasa supporters
:23:12. > :23:14.will have to fight If he loses, but it's a fair
:23:15. > :23:21.election, what happens then? But if it is 50-50,
:23:22. > :23:38.we will not agree on that. So if it's really close, there's
:23:39. > :23:40.more chance of being violence? This is one of the most important
:23:41. > :23:48.elections in Africa, in one What's significant now
:23:49. > :23:52.is not who wins, but how In the three years since the birth
:23:53. > :24:02.of the so-called Islamic State it is believed up to 850 men,
:24:03. > :24:06.women, boys and girls have left Britain to make what for most of us
:24:07. > :24:10.would be the unimaginable journey Many are since believed to have been
:24:11. > :24:17.killed or now find themselves trapped in Raqqa as coalition troops
:24:18. > :24:20.close in to liberate it. Remarkably, some of those
:24:21. > :24:22.confronting Isis across the Syrian battlefields
:24:23. > :24:26.are themselves from Britain. Over the years, dozens have left
:24:27. > :24:29.these shores as civilians Most join regiments
:24:30. > :24:38.from the Kurdish YPG army. One young man, Ryan Lock,
:24:39. > :24:41.was praised this week as a hero by a coroner who heard details
:24:42. > :24:45.of his death. He shot himself to avoid
:24:46. > :24:49.capture after being injured in a gunfight last December -
:24:50. > :24:51.the third Briton Others who have fought have been
:24:52. > :24:59.arrested on their return to Britain. I'm joined now by Vasilika
:25:00. > :25:01.Scurfield, the mother of Eric Scurfield, who was killed
:25:02. > :25:18.in 2015 as he fought with the YPG. I am so sorry for your loss. Why did
:25:19. > :25:22.Eric, or cost, as the family knew him, why was he so keen to get
:25:23. > :25:25.involved in a war that in many ways have nothing to do with him? He felt
:25:26. > :25:32.that since most of the people fighting in Syria for Isis, many of
:25:33. > :25:37.them were British soldiers or most were from other countries, he felt
:25:38. > :25:42.that it was his duty to redress that balance. And he felt that Isis was a
:25:43. > :25:47.threat that if not stopped, would spread. What if Isis had not been
:25:48. > :25:52.stopped by the Kurds? They might have gone on to Jordan, the Greek
:25:53. > :25:58.islands, Albania. They were unstoppable at the time and he felt
:25:59. > :26:02.he had to step up. And I think he was doing his National Service in
:26:03. > :26:06.the Greek army that he formed -- at the time he formed this ambition.
:26:07. > :26:10.Actually, he was in the Royal Marines here in the UK. Part of the
:26:11. > :26:14.reason why he went was disappointment when he was told by
:26:15. > :26:20.his CEOs that there was no chance of him going into recognise the 10,000
:26:21. > :26:24.-- rescue the 10,000 Yazidi people in the mountains. He was disgusted.
:26:25. > :26:27.And of course, the government at the time was keen to offer support to
:26:28. > :26:31.precisely the sort of militias that he ended up fighting with. They lost
:26:32. > :26:35.a Parliamentary vote, which makes it all the more remarkable that the
:26:36. > :26:39.status of fighters like your son is, well, how would you describe it? It
:26:40. > :26:45.is a sort of legal limbo. It is worse than that. They are often
:26:46. > :26:50.criminalised when they come back. So these are guys fighting with
:26:51. > :26:55.coalition forces. They are getting our support from coalition forces.
:26:56. > :27:02.They are getting treated, if they are lucky enough, in special forces
:27:03. > :27:04.field hospitals, for example. So they are working closely with
:27:05. > :27:08.coalition forces and they are being treated as terrorists when they come
:27:09. > :27:14.back. I understand that we have to question them to check which side
:27:15. > :27:18.they are fighting for and make sure they have not committed a crime. But
:27:19. > :27:21.after that, you find some of them are let go and some of them are
:27:22. > :27:25.criminalised and put on bail, where they have to present themselves
:27:26. > :27:32.three times a week for six months at a time. Their families are treated
:27:33. > :27:36.disrespectfully. I know there is a sort of covert network of families,
:27:37. > :27:44.but you have to be careful City reasons. The first is the Islamic
:27:45. > :27:47.State's vigilance on computer networks being unknowable. Secondly,
:27:48. > :27:52.you have to shield your family members' activities from the British
:27:53. > :27:57.government? It is more about privacy. For a lot of parents, it is
:27:58. > :28:01.a shock, but it is those things as well. They are soft targets for any
:28:02. > :28:07.maniac who might want to go after them. And they are at risk from
:28:08. > :28:12.being treated disrespectfully by the British government. I have no
:28:13. > :28:15.complaints about the way I was treated, and I don't see why other
:28:16. > :28:21.parents should not benefit from the same treatment. What would you like
:28:22. > :28:25.the government to do formally? I think they should be stopped at the
:28:26. > :28:28.airport when they come in. When they establish from their phones and the
:28:29. > :28:34.evidence that they were fighting from the YPG, they should as a
:28:35. > :28:37.minimum just be let go. They don't have a policy across the UK to say
:28:38. > :28:41.everybody will be treated the same way. Half of them coming and are not
:28:42. > :28:47.bothered, and half of them are criminalised. It seems to be a lucky
:28:48. > :28:51.dip. How many British people do you think are out there? It would be a
:28:52. > :28:57.complete guess. We are told there are up to 200 foreign volunteers
:28:58. > :29:03.from all countries, 12 Greeks, some Chinese, people from all over
:29:04. > :29:09.Europe, the USA, Canada, maybe up to 50 Brits? And at least one of them
:29:10. > :29:14.is a woman. Did you try to stop him going? Of course I did. The whole of
:29:15. > :29:18.the might of the British military tried to stop him going, but there
:29:19. > :29:26.was no way we could. He was determined to go. It may be that
:29:27. > :29:29.every answer is different to this question, but what do they have in
:29:30. > :29:36.common, do you think, the men and woman that have gone out there?
:29:37. > :29:41.Courage. And the strength of their convictions. Many thanks.
:29:42. > :29:44.I should say that we asked the Home Office whether all Britons
:29:45. > :29:47.who go to fight against Isis were at risk of prosecution.
:29:48. > :29:50.In a statement they said anyone who returns from the conflict
:29:51. > :29:53.in Syria or Iraq should expect to be reviewed by the police and that
:29:54. > :29:56.charges would be considered on a case by case basis.
:29:57. > :30:00.Before we go, if you're about to head off abroad and fancy
:30:01. > :30:03.some inspiration for your holiday snaps, why not head
:30:04. > :30:05.to the University of Greenwich for an exhibition of some
:30:06. > :30:09.to the Travel Photographer of the Year Awards?
:30:10. > :30:41.If you can't make it, here's a taste.
:30:42. > :30:52.# Ever since I put your picture in a frame #.