:00:00. > :00:15.But tonight the Government's Brexit position, finally,
:00:16. > :00:18.In something that looks a lot like the Customs Union,
:00:19. > :00:21.but with Britain able to negotiate free trade agreements with the
:00:22. > :00:25.We ask whether the proposed transitional arrangement is possible
:00:26. > :00:43.Map and two days after the event. -- and finally two days after the
:00:44. > :00:44.event. And those who cause violence
:00:45. > :00:48.in its name are criminals and thugs. Including the KKK, neo-Nazis,
:00:49. > :00:50.white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant
:00:51. > :00:59.to everything we hold Trump this evening disavowed the
:01:00. > :01:03.racists but will this be enough to stem the tide of criticism of how he
:01:04. > :01:06.handled events in Charlottesville? Also tonight, after one of the most
:01:07. > :01:09.exciting opening weekends in its 25-year history,
:01:10. > :01:11.we ask one of the Premier League's architects whether it has changed
:01:12. > :01:14.British football for the better. And now, disengaged from the shirt,
:01:15. > :01:18.I saw with wonder and surprise... Not the plaything of a boy,
:01:19. > :01:33.nor the weapon of a man, The Prime Minister returns this week
:01:34. > :01:40.from her walking holiday in Europe and her government is keen to show
:01:41. > :01:44.it's stealing the march on Brexit. Until now the predominant features
:01:45. > :01:47.of this summer have been Cabinet in-fighting and criticism over
:01:48. > :01:49.the speed at which they're But tonight a picture is starting
:01:50. > :01:55.to emerge of what Britain's negotiators will be pushing
:01:56. > :01:59.for in Brussels. Tomorrow a "future partnership
:02:00. > :02:04.paper" will lay out the government's aspirations for one particularly
:02:05. > :02:07.thorny issue - the customs union, how we trade with our
:02:08. > :02:11.European neighbours. This isn't a formal negotiating
:02:12. > :02:14.position, that is still to come, but the plans suggest that the UK
:02:15. > :02:19.wants to put in place a temporary customs union during a transitional
:02:20. > :02:21.period after we leave the EU This is after the Chancellor
:02:22. > :02:29.and International Trade Secretaries wrote a joint article
:02:30. > :02:31.in the Sunday Telegraph making explicit that they want us out
:02:32. > :02:34.of the customs union the moment We will get full details of the
:02:35. > :02:52.government's proposals tomorrow. editor Helen Thomas has been looking
:02:53. > :03:04.at the government's proposals. It is one of the big questions of
:03:05. > :03:08.Brexit, were Britain step part of the customs union, which allows
:03:09. > :03:11.goods to flow freely tariff free between the countries. Today the
:03:12. > :03:16.first glimpse of a real answer from the government. The government wants
:03:17. > :03:20.an interim period where we keep a close association with the customs
:03:21. > :03:24.union. Good news for those fearing a hard cliff edge Brexit. And it's
:03:25. > :03:29.meant to provide certainty to businesses. The government has also
:03:30. > :03:34.proposed two possible models for what happens in the future after
:03:35. > :03:38.that. The first is a streamlined customs system that uses technology
:03:39. > :03:43.and other agreements to remove as many barriers to trade as possible.
:03:44. > :03:47.The second is a new customs partnership, a spoke arrangement
:03:48. > :03:52.that enables trade to carry on very much as it does at the moment.
:03:53. > :03:56.Budget abyss spoke arrangement. That's back up. A customs union is
:03:57. > :04:01.where a group of countries band together. In the case of the EU it
:04:02. > :04:05.agrees, no customs duties and borders between states so countries
:04:06. > :04:09.can be traded between those countries free of charge -- so goods
:04:10. > :04:13.can be traded free of charge. But if goods coming from other countries
:04:14. > :04:19.they are charged. Each in the same way, whether it's going into France,
:04:20. > :04:24.Greece, Italy and any other country in the region. And crucially members
:04:25. > :04:27.are banned by the EU's Common commercial policy. Which means they
:04:28. > :04:32.are not able to strike their own trade deals with other countries.
:04:33. > :04:37.Philip Hammond and Liam Fox this weekend called for a time limited
:04:38. > :04:42.interim period for transition yet stressed they were agreed that
:04:43. > :04:46.during this period the UK will be outside the single market and
:04:47. > :04:50.outside the customs union. Well, on the latest proposals they will
:04:51. > :04:55.indeed be a period of transition. And it will be time limited. But
:04:56. > :05:00.what the government seems to be saying is that we would leave the
:05:01. > :05:03.customs union only to move to separate arrangement as similar to
:05:04. > :05:08.it as humanly possible. The big difference would be that the UK
:05:09. > :05:12.wants the right to start negotiating its own trade deals, even if it does
:05:13. > :05:16.not sign them what could be contentious. We would be leaving the
:05:17. > :05:22.customs union only to stay as close to it as possible. Firstly there is
:05:23. > :05:25.a legal problem. As long as you are part of close to the EU customs
:05:26. > :05:31.union the rules don't let strike your own trade agreements. Secondly
:05:32. > :05:33.a practical point, other countries like Canada and New Zealand that
:05:34. > :05:39.might do deals with the UK don't want to negotiate unless they know
:05:40. > :05:42.what the UK's future relationship with the EU will look like and they
:05:43. > :05:48.will have to wait some time before they know the answer. So what about
:05:49. > :05:51.longer-term options. If it is option one which means border checks at
:05:52. > :05:57.least governments and businesses will have had time to prepare. But
:05:58. > :06:00.option two, a new type of customs partnership, could mean no
:06:01. > :06:07.disruptions at the Borders at all. It all comes down to negotiation. Is
:06:08. > :06:10.the free flow of German cars and Italian press Dzeko important enough
:06:11. > :06:16.for Michel Barnier wrote to let the UK strike its own trade deals on the
:06:17. > :06:23.side? And will the UK be prepared to tell enough rules to make that
:06:24. > :06:26.happen? Helen Thomas there. Full details on this proposal will be
:06:27. > :06:28.released tomorrow, what we've had is just a preview but there's enough
:06:29. > :06:32.meat in it to discuss. Joining me now is leading Brexiteer
:06:33. > :06:34.and Conservative MP John Redwood. Also with me is the Labour MP
:06:35. > :06:38.Chris Leslie who is a spokesperson for the campaign group Open Britain
:06:39. > :06:46.which is campaigning Good evening to you. John, if I
:06:47. > :06:50.could start with you. It is slightly odd, is not that Liam Fox and the
:06:51. > :06:54.Chancellor got together this weekend, wrote this article in the
:06:55. > :06:59.Sunday Telegraph and say they want us to be out of the customs union by
:07:00. > :07:03.March 2019, and then we will have this transitional period where we
:07:04. > :07:08.are in the customs union for we don't know how long. It is a mess. I
:07:09. > :07:22.don't think the second part is true. It is good news that
:07:23. > :07:25.the Chancellor and the trade secretary both agree with the
:07:26. > :07:28.government 's policy which has been a stated policy for some time but we
:07:29. > :07:30.are leaving the single market and leaving the customs union. That
:07:31. > :07:33.isn't just the government's wish. It is the expressed view of Parliament
:07:34. > :07:35.because we had the important vote on this in the recent Parliament and we
:07:36. > :07:38.agreed we would leave the single market and the customs union. This
:07:39. > :07:40.shows the fudging it because you will be in the position where you
:07:41. > :07:45.want the UK and the customs union, all but in name. It is a fudge. The
:07:46. > :07:50.document has a couple of options on technical issues about how customs
:07:51. > :07:52.will work once we have left the customs union. Of course we would
:07:53. > :07:56.like something smooth and similar to what we have at the moment, it's
:07:57. > :08:01.easier to replicate things you've already got. But we won't be in the
:08:02. > :08:06.customs union, will be making our own trade agreements. And we have 19
:08:07. > :08:10.months before we are likely to leave the European Union. So instead of
:08:11. > :08:13.concentrating on a transitional arrangement afterwards surely we
:08:14. > :08:18.should maximise our use of the 19 months. One good thing about this
:08:19. > :08:24.paper is that it is getting the media and we hope, the EU, to
:08:25. > :08:27.understand about trade now. You've brought up the EU, it is all very
:08:28. > :08:32.well to say, we are off but we would like all the same perks until we've
:08:33. > :08:38.sorted out our next deals. These are not perks. Some people would say
:08:39. > :08:41.they are. Let me ask you, why on earth would Brussels consent to
:08:42. > :08:45.this. Because they have much more trade than we do in terms of trade
:08:46. > :08:51.and volume of trade and particularly value of trade that can attract and
:08:52. > :08:57.rules. If we go out with no deal which is feasible for Britain and
:08:58. > :09:00.would be fine, there will be big tariffs on agricultural products. I
:09:01. > :09:07.don't think everyone agrees it would be fine including Chris. The
:09:08. > :09:14.government 's line is that no deal is better than a bad deal. Let me
:09:15. > :09:17.explain. Agricultural products, things that can attract high
:09:18. > :09:21.tariffs, they can bring in a massive surplus and we don't want that. You
:09:22. > :09:24.are sure that would be a mess, we are going back to this land of
:09:25. > :09:29.wanting to have your cake and eat it. Maybe the penny is beginning to
:09:30. > :09:33.drop somewhere in Whitehall that this idea of leaving the customs
:09:34. > :09:38.union, we can wait for the single market, we'd like to stay in that as
:09:39. > :09:44.well, wouldn't be that good for our economy, society, and prosperity
:09:45. > :09:49.large. The problem is that trying to extricate Britain from what, 57
:09:50. > :09:54.different trade deals that EU have made over the last 40 years leaves
:09:55. > :09:58.Britain and in the cold because of Brexit with all of that, to peace
:09:59. > :10:03.pipe all those jigsaw pieces, how are you going to put those pieces --
:10:04. > :10:10.two piece back all those pieces, how you going to... Do you see it, Chris
:10:11. > :10:13.Leslie, as is often in of the position? We thought we were heading
:10:14. > :10:17.for a so-called hard Brexit and we were leaving the customs union and
:10:18. > :10:21.going for a deal that is almost exactly the same in all but name do
:10:22. > :10:25.you know hope this is a softer Brexit. I would hope so and Philip
:10:26. > :10:29.Hammond seems to be trying to pull the government in that direction. My
:10:30. > :10:33.worry is that there are so many obstacles that have to be thought
:10:34. > :10:39.through properly. For instance, how is the UK going to get a fresh free
:10:40. > :10:44.trade agreement with the EU through all of those national parliaments
:10:45. > :10:49.across the EU. For instance all of those existing trade deals that we
:10:50. > :11:01.in the UK enjoy, how do we get those grand fathered, basically, readopted
:11:02. > :11:07.the UK. We are facing a problem. The Vote Leave guys promised, in the
:11:08. > :11:11.referendum, John and Vote Leave promised that straight after the
:11:12. > :11:16.referendum, from day one, we'd be able to negotiate all these trade
:11:17. > :11:20.deals. But has not happened. Tomorrow's papers are writing this
:11:21. > :11:23.up as a victory for those who support softer Brexit in the
:11:24. > :11:27.challenge, a victory for the Chancellor. As an ardent Brexiteer
:11:28. > :11:32.do you feel in any way you've been sold down the river? I don't agree
:11:33. > :11:36.with that analysis at all. Government policy is clear that we
:11:37. > :11:39.leave the single market and the customs union. All this trade
:11:40. > :11:44.agreements we have with the EU and the rest of the world will translate
:11:45. > :11:51.to us as well if ourselves in the party wanted, it is nothing to do
:11:52. > :11:54.with the EU, it's about us. If Iraq that is 57 bilateral deals of all
:11:55. > :12:02.the countries in the world. When will that happen? It won't be March
:12:03. > :12:09.2019... Muggy give us date. I see no reason why the trade should not
:12:10. > :12:13.happen at all. John Redwood, would you prefer Jacob Rhys Mogg to do
:12:14. > :12:17.this deal instead of Theresa May? I'm happy with Theresa May, she is
:12:18. > :12:25.the leader, and Mr Rhys Mogg says he isn't running the leader. We are
:12:26. > :12:31.going to lead in March 20 19. We will leave the single market...
:12:32. > :12:36.Weirdly, John Redwood is happy and Chris Leslie, you are also happy.
:12:37. > :12:40.It's a reversal of the whole of the Brexit process and I think we could
:12:41. > :12:42.still go in that direction. Thank you very much. Brexit back on the
:12:43. > :12:46.agenda. Elsewhere, President Trump this
:12:47. > :12:48.evening condemned the neo-Nazis, KKK members and activists from other
:12:49. > :12:50.hate groups who sparked the violence this weekend
:12:51. > :12:52.in Charlottesville, Virginia - one of America's largest
:12:53. > :12:54.recent public gatherings The trouble led to the
:12:55. > :12:58.death of anti-fascist campaigner Heather Heyer
:12:59. > :13:00.and left 19 others injured. Today's remarks were,
:13:01. > :13:05.you might think, a standard presidential statement
:13:06. > :13:06.under the circumstances, yet it took Mr Trump two
:13:07. > :13:11.days to reach a position where he was prepared to speak out
:13:12. > :13:14.against the far-right elements whose support some believe helped him
:13:15. > :13:17.into the White House. How significant is the extreme
:13:18. > :13:22.right in America - and has Trump created the conditions
:13:23. > :13:25.in which the movement might grow? Gabriel Gatehouse has been examining
:13:26. > :13:35.the aftermath of a shocking weekend. This report contains some strong
:13:36. > :13:38.language. They came to Charlottesville
:13:39. > :13:49.prepared for confrontation. The Unite the Right protesters
:13:50. > :13:56.included neo-Nazis and members They brought shields
:13:57. > :14:05.and helmets, clubs and guns. By mid-afternoon, one woman
:14:06. > :14:09.was dead, killed by a speeding car, allegedly driven by a man described
:14:10. > :14:12.as having an interest White supremacists were condemned
:14:13. > :14:18.by nearly everybody We condemn in the strongest possible
:14:19. > :14:28.terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence,
:14:29. > :14:37.on many sites. -- of hatred, bigotry
:14:38. > :14:39.and violence, on many sides. A neo-Nazi website interpreted this
:14:40. > :14:41.statement as a tacit What might have been a tragic
:14:42. > :14:44.but isolated incident of political violence has become an existential
:14:45. > :14:46.question about where The far right that we're talking
:14:47. > :14:53.about here believes that white people in the United States
:14:54. > :14:56.are being "dispossessed". So when they heard Trump talk
:14:57. > :15:01.about building a wall, when they heard him talk
:15:02. > :15:05.about Mexicans being criminals and rapists, when he retweeted
:15:06. > :15:10.somebody whose account, their Twitter handle
:15:11. > :15:14.was called "White Genocide", these were all things that thrilled
:15:15. > :15:17.them, that energised them, that made them believe that
:15:18. > :15:19.Donald Trump was one of them This has been declared
:15:20. > :15:28.unlawful assembly. The authorities in Charlottesville
:15:29. > :15:30.were taken aback by how fast The governor of Virginia said
:15:31. > :15:33.the right-wing protesters The counterdemonstrators
:15:34. > :15:37.seemed less well armed, but no less angry and,
:15:38. > :15:39.say witnesses on the right, Look out there yourself for footage
:15:40. > :15:46.of these rallies and these marches That doesn't excuse any behaviour,
:15:47. > :16:00.on either side, that's But I'm saying that if we want
:16:01. > :16:04.to have a full and frank conversation about this,
:16:05. > :16:06.we have to realise that these The protest in Charlottesville
:16:07. > :16:10.was sensibly called in defence of a statue
:16:11. > :16:12.to a Confederate general. Their torchlit procession
:16:13. > :16:14.was reminiscent of the Klan America has changed since then,
:16:15. > :16:18.but not, perhaps, as much as eight years of an Obama
:16:19. > :16:22.presidency might suggest. Black quarterbacks on the team
:16:23. > :16:27.of white supremacy hasn't helped us. On the eve of Donald Trump's
:16:28. > :16:30.inauguration I met Silky Slim, a community activist in Baton Rouge,
:16:31. > :16:33.Louisiana. The KKK, he told me then,
:16:34. > :16:35.had never really gone away. Even so, today he's taken
:16:36. > :16:39.aback by the vehemence When we talked to you back then,
:16:40. > :16:46.when you came here, one of the things we really didn't
:16:47. > :16:48.understand, the language where people were asking us,
:16:49. > :16:51.when they came from England, France and other places,
:16:52. > :16:54.do you think this is going to be a race war, we were like no,
:16:55. > :16:57.we're fighting against injustice. But now, we definitely see a race
:16:58. > :17:00.war on the horizon here in America. They aren't even hiding
:17:01. > :17:02.behind their hoods any more. With Trump in office,
:17:03. > :17:07.they think this is something that they can bring to the forefront
:17:08. > :17:10.and America has to accept it. It's a very crazy time right
:17:11. > :17:12.here in America now. Under pressure, Donald Trump today
:17:13. > :17:17.condemned white supremacy more And those who cause violence
:17:18. > :17:28.in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK,
:17:29. > :17:33.neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that
:17:34. > :17:35.are repugnant to everything But in Charlottesville
:17:36. > :17:44.and elsewhere, there are those who fear his presidency has
:17:45. > :17:47.unleashed forces many thought consigned to history,
:17:48. > :17:50.and opened wounds that the passage Joining me now from New York
:17:51. > :17:57.are the conservative commentator Ann Coulter and Ellis Cose,
:17:58. > :18:00.a fellow of the American Civil Liberties Union and author
:18:01. > :18:13.of multiple books exploring Thank you for joining us. Donald
:18:14. > :18:18.Trump called a press conference today in which he explicitly
:18:19. > :18:22.condemned members of the KKK, neo-Nazis, he knew that he had done
:18:23. > :18:27.something wrong in not explicitly condemning the groups before, didn't
:18:28. > :18:33.he? No, I don't think so. I think that there were different factions
:18:34. > :18:37.that were so heavily... The Republican party in Washington hates
:18:38. > :18:41.Trump and were pushing him to do it, I don't think he should have. To
:18:42. > :18:46.give your view a more accurate description of what happened, the
:18:47. > :18:51.New York Times report, one of the most liberal reporters here, said
:18:52. > :18:55.that the violence was coming from both sides. In fact it was New York
:18:56. > :19:00.militia members doing a better job than the police, who were told to
:19:01. > :19:05.stand down by Democrats. This country has been ruled by left-wing
:19:06. > :19:08.violence for more than a year now. If I can just interrupt, it is a
:19:09. > :19:14.false equivalence to say left-wing violence was the same as fascist
:19:15. > :19:20.white supremacists coming together, walking in jack boots, holding guns,
:19:21. > :19:25.saying that you will not defeat us, dues will not replace us, shouting
:19:26. > :19:30.all sorts of hateful slogans, they started the rally and created the
:19:31. > :19:37.rally and it is the largest group of white supremacist with their faces
:19:38. > :19:41.shown. It isn't the same as antifascist protesters coming
:19:42. > :19:52.together. Absolutely wrong, the "Antifascist", the labels you put on
:19:53. > :19:58.them, those protesters burned down Berkeley twice to prevent me and
:19:59. > :20:01.others from speaking, they shut down a Rose Parade in Portland that has
:20:02. > :20:07.gone on for years because the local Republicans were going to March. No
:20:08. > :20:12.Conservative can speak at a college campus because the "anti-fascists"
:20:13. > :20:16.smashed windows and beat people up. The one actual legal difference as
:20:17. > :20:21.opposed to a label that you're going to put on them is that these alleged
:20:22. > :20:26.Nazis, some work, someone not, there were a few Nazis, I'm not one of
:20:27. > :20:30.them, they had a permit to speak and they were not allowed to speak. The
:20:31. > :20:38.anti-fascists disrupted a legal gathering. Donald Trump has clearly
:20:39. > :20:48.condemned the KKK today, perhaps late, you would say, but has he done
:20:49. > :20:56.enough? Has he done enough? He's done all I think. I think it's right
:20:57. > :21:00.to say they had a permit and one reason for that is because the ACLU
:21:01. > :21:04.stood up for them to get a permit. We have to separate the question of
:21:05. > :21:08.freedom of speech from what the speech entailed and what they
:21:09. > :21:15.encouraged and what they created. The problem is that we had a group
:21:16. > :21:19.of white racists who wanted a race riot, basically. There's no way
:21:20. > :21:26.around that. And the fact that the president took two days to speak to
:21:27. > :21:33.it is ridiculous. It's a movement like Witness or anyone who season
:21:34. > :21:36.something, instead of making an immediate statement, speaking two
:21:37. > :21:41.days after being beaten up and finally saying OK, I'll do it...
:21:42. > :21:47.Even when he spoke out he mixed up his message by saying he was
:21:48. > :21:52.thinking of pardoning a sheriff in Arizona who was convicted of racial
:21:53. > :21:59.profiling and slamming the black CEO who resigned, dating to his lack of
:22:00. > :22:04.fortitude in speaking about this before. Clearly Donald Trump has a
:22:05. > :22:09.problem when it comes to associating himself from virulent racism in
:22:10. > :22:14.America, and no president should have that problem that they are such
:22:15. > :22:19.a big part of his face that he must accommodate them -- a big part of
:22:20. > :22:23.his base. A former KKK leader who was at the March said that "We are
:22:24. > :22:28.going to fulfil the promises of Donald Trump. " Why are they doing
:22:29. > :22:32.it in Donald Trump's name and is that the reason he refused to risk
:22:33. > :22:37.this elite condemned them in the immediate aftermath of the Wyatt? --
:22:38. > :22:44.he refused to explicitly condemned them in the aftermath of the riot.
:22:45. > :22:48.If we're talking about how long it takes for a condemnation, the Black
:22:49. > :22:57.Lives Matter activists are responsible for killing ten cops
:22:58. > :23:02.last year. Five in Louisiana. How many black people lost their lives
:23:03. > :23:07.in America last year...? Why wasn't president Obama asked to denounce
:23:08. > :23:13.that. That is a smear, Black Lives Matter did not kill ten cops, that
:23:14. > :23:18.is an incorrect slur, it is a lie. Neither did the clan. The man who
:23:19. > :23:27.drove a car did not... You don't even know if this was... It is a
:23:28. > :23:32.flat out live. It isn't. -- a flat out lie. These are people who are
:23:33. > :23:36.part of Donald Trump's base so he has a lot of trouble associating
:23:37. > :23:41.himself. Hillary had Black Lives Matter speakers at her convention.
:23:42. > :23:45.Donald Trump is not going to have David Duke at his convention. In a
:23:46. > :23:47.freedom of speech and expression you are both speaking at the same time.
:23:48. > :23:48.Thank you for joining us. Saudi Arabia - a key ally
:23:49. > :23:51.of the UK and America - has been ruled as an absolute
:23:52. > :23:54.monarchy since its foundation. Any opposition in the country
:23:55. > :23:56.is often brutally oppressed - even it seems when the dissent comes
:23:57. > :24:00.from within the reigning Al Saud royal family,
:24:01. > :24:04.which has more than 10,000 members. BBC Arabic has been investigating
:24:05. > :24:07.allegations that the Saudi monarchy has operated a system of illegal
:24:08. > :24:13.abduction and capture of dissident Princes who have
:24:14. > :24:16.criticised the government, including evidence of Princes
:24:17. > :24:23.kidnapped in Europe and forced back to Saudi Arabia,
:24:24. > :24:25.where they've not been He's one of the grandsons
:24:26. > :24:34.of King Abdulaziz ibn Saud, He is also a fierce critic
:24:35. > :24:41.of the ruling elite in the kingdom. In January 2016 he was preparing
:24:42. > :24:50.to travel to Cairo on a private jet offered to him by the Saudi
:24:51. > :24:55.consulate in Paris. Two of his staff told us
:24:56. > :24:57.what happened on that flight. Their identities are
:24:58. > :25:03.hidden to protect them. It wasn't until just before
:25:04. > :25:05.we landed that we realised As soon as the Prince realised
:25:06. > :25:10.where we were he got up without his walker and was trying
:25:11. > :25:13.to get towards the door. We looked out the window and we just
:25:14. > :25:22.saw a bunch of people get out with their rifles slung
:25:23. > :25:24.over their chests and The soldiers and cabin crew dragged
:25:25. > :25:30.Sultan from the plane. He was screaming at his team
:25:31. > :25:35.to call the US embassy. A Saudi prince and his team
:25:36. > :25:47.of European and American nationals were kidnapped and taken to Saudi
:25:48. > :25:49.Arabia. The foreigners were allowed
:25:50. > :25:52.to leave three days later. Sultan has not been
:25:53. > :25:56.heard from since. Other dissident princes have also
:25:57. > :26:01.gone missing since 2015. Our investigation gathered evidence
:26:02. > :26:08.of the kidnapping and illegal rendition of family members who'd
:26:09. > :26:10.criticised the Saudi rulers. I'm meeting Prince Khalid
:26:11. > :26:14.Bin Farhan al-Saud. His branch of the family fell
:26:15. > :26:17.out of favour long ago, and more recently he began
:26:18. > :26:19.to question the Saudi Eventually he fled to Germany
:26:20. > :26:55.and claimed asylum. According to Prince Khalid,
:26:56. > :26:59.the fate of the dissident princes is decided at the very top
:27:00. > :27:16.of the Saudi government. This is Prince Turki
:27:17. > :27:22.bin Bandar al-Saud. He was once a major in the Saudi
:27:23. > :27:25.police force, with access to highly The bitter inheritance
:27:26. > :27:28.dispute with the family On his release he fled to Paris
:27:29. > :27:34.where he lived in this apartment. In June 2012 he began posting videos
:27:35. > :27:38.on YouTube in which he calls I've spent months tracking down
:27:39. > :27:56.people in Paris who knew Turki. Most are reluctant to speak,
:27:57. > :27:59.saying they fear retribution This man is a blogger and activist
:28:00. > :28:42.who was a friend of Turki's. I searched the international
:28:43. > :28:46.media for news of Turki. I found this article
:28:47. > :28:49.in a Moroccan newspaper. It says Turki was about to leave
:28:50. > :28:52.Morocco for France when he was Then, following a request
:28:53. > :28:59.from the Saudi authorities, he was deported, with the approval
:29:00. > :29:02.of a Moroccan court. If the article is accurate,
:29:03. > :29:05.it looks as if the Moroccan authorities may have colluded
:29:06. > :29:06.with the Saudis in We put these allegations
:29:07. > :29:13.to the government of Morocco. I'd heard about yet another Saudi
:29:14. > :29:23.prince who had disappeared. Saud bin Saif al-Nasr
:29:24. > :29:25.was a relatively minor royal. A playboy with a liking for Europe's
:29:26. > :29:31.casinos and expensive hotels. But in 2014 he began tweeting
:29:32. > :29:34.attacks on the Saudi monarchy. To those who say I'm criticising
:29:35. > :29:37.people from my family, I say it's obligatory
:29:38. > :29:55.to state the truth. In September 2015 an anonymous Suadi
:29:56. > :29:59.price wrote asking for a coup. The letters went online
:30:00. > :30:01.and were read by millions. This was an astonishing
:30:02. > :30:03.display of opposition. Prince Saud was the only royal
:30:04. > :30:07.to endorse the letters. This was tantamount to treason
:30:08. > :30:10.and may have sealed his fate. A few days later, his Twitter
:30:11. > :30:17.account fell silent. This tweet on September
:30:18. > :30:20.10th 2015 was his last. I call for the nation to turn
:30:21. > :30:23.the content of the letters Although there is no definitive
:30:24. > :30:27.proof, Prince Khalid and two other sources believe he may have fallen
:30:28. > :31:12.into an elaborate trap. For one of the Princess, Sultan,
:31:13. > :31:15.2016 was not the first time in 2003 and placed under
:31:16. > :31:25.house arrest in Saudi. After his health deteriorated,
:31:26. > :31:29.he was allowed to leave Saudi in 2014 to seek medical treatment
:31:30. > :31:33.in the United States. He later placed a criminal complaint
:31:34. > :31:36.against his cousin and a Saudi official, accusing them
:31:37. > :31:39.of the 2003 abduction. His lawyer informed the Swiss
:31:40. > :31:42.authorities about the most recent kidnapping, hoping something might
:31:43. > :31:50.be done about the first. In my understanding of Swiss
:31:51. > :31:54.laws, you have 15 years 15 years from that June date in 2003
:31:55. > :31:59.and it is a lengthy process, going So effectively by suspending
:32:00. > :32:08.the prosecution, it's really defeating the ability in a timely
:32:09. > :32:20.manner to pursue the prosecution. According to Swiss law the legal
:32:21. > :32:22.action against Sultan's alleged We tried to contact the three
:32:23. > :32:25.Princes, without success. When we asked the government
:32:26. > :32:34.of Saudi Arabia to respond to the allegations in this film,
:32:35. > :32:38.it declined to comment. Meanwhile, Prince Khalid,
:32:39. > :32:45.still exiled in Germany, fears he also may face
:32:46. > :33:10.the same fate as Sultan. Some have called it the best opening
:33:11. > :33:17.weekend in the 25 years 31 goals have already been
:33:18. > :33:21.scored since the season When the league launched
:33:22. > :33:24.in 1992 it was described as the big bang moment that
:33:25. > :33:26.would transform the game. Since then TV fees, player salaries
:33:27. > :33:36.and ticket prices have soared. Many believe the standard
:33:37. > :33:38.of the football has skyrocketed 25 years on, has the Premier League
:33:39. > :33:42.done what it set out to do, We'll discuss all that in just
:33:43. > :33:47.a moment, but first here are some MUSIC: Alive and Kicking
:33:48. > :33:57.by Simple Minds Fashion and hairstyles aren't
:33:58. > :34:04.the only things to have moved on in the 25 years since English
:34:05. > :34:07.football's First Division broke away Only 13 foreign players appeared
:34:08. > :34:10.in the Premier League's opening Uefa's latest report
:34:11. > :34:14.on European football said the Premier League
:34:15. > :34:15.now had the highest proportion
:34:16. > :34:18.of foreign players of the 75 It also topped the league
:34:19. > :34:26.for foreign coaches, at 75%. Match day attendances are up,
:34:27. > :34:30.but TV has been where the real Sky paid ?191 million to air live
:34:31. > :34:38.matches for five years, At the last auction,
:34:39. > :34:47.Sky and BT paid a combined ?5.1 billion for just three seasons
:34:48. > :34:50.of match rights. That money has then
:34:51. > :34:53.flowed to the clubs. Despite that, tickets have got
:34:54. > :34:56.pricier, with fans taking the hit. One estimate puts the 1992 average
:34:57. > :35:01.ticket price at about ?7.50. Adjusted for inflation,
:35:02. > :35:07.that would be ?14.25 last year. Last season's average
:35:08. > :35:12.ticket price, according So, are spectators getting more bang
:35:13. > :35:19.for their extra buck? Well, on average there were just
:35:20. > :35:22.0.15 more goals per game last year All that money, it seems,
:35:23. > :35:25.doesn't necessarily make Well, one of the people
:35:26. > :35:33.who negotiated the deal that created the Premier League was its first
:35:34. > :35:36.Chief Executive, Rick Parry. Also with us is Henry Winter, the
:35:37. > :35:51.Chief Football Writer at The Times. Rick Parry, good evening, let me
:35:52. > :35:57.come to your first. As one of the architects of the Premier League has
:35:58. > :36:00.it worked out? Unquestionably. It is arguably the most popular
:36:01. > :36:05.professional sporting contest on the planet, watched in more than 200
:36:06. > :36:10.countries. Popular in many respects, it has certainly done what it set
:36:11. > :36:14.out to do. I think there are challenges. Nothing is perfect and I
:36:15. > :36:19.think in particular at the moment it is disappointing that our teams are
:36:20. > :36:24.not doing well in Europe in the five years up to 2009, we were on the top
:36:25. > :36:27.of the pile, the number one ranked nation, now we are number three.
:36:28. > :36:32.There is a chasm between the Premier League and the football league.
:36:33. > :36:38.Wider than ever before, that is an issue. And perennially national team
:36:39. > :36:44.still is not doing what we all hope it would do and steps can be taken
:36:45. > :36:50.there. Will come onto some of those points in a moment. Henry Winter,
:36:51. > :36:55.you speak to a lot of fans and right on behalf of them, many feel price
:36:56. > :37:00.tag. I think one year ago you saw Liverpool fans holding up that
:37:01. > :37:04.banner which said enough is enough, echoing the views of fans all over
:37:05. > :37:09.the country, not simply in the Premier League, some of the prices
:37:10. > :37:12.being asked of fans, it was unconscionable for many in the
:37:13. > :37:16.difficult economic climate. Certainly the more intelligent clubs
:37:17. > :37:21.like Stoke City are addressing the price issue. It's not simply that
:37:22. > :37:26.the cost for home fans, it's a fans as well forget the atmosphere going
:37:27. > :37:33.on many occasions, finally I think now clubs have finally realised that
:37:34. > :37:37.ticket prices have been too much, the football supporters Federation
:37:38. > :37:40.who have led this campaign together with their counterparts at
:37:41. > :37:45.Liverpool, they want and ?20 fall away tickets, this 20 is bloody
:37:46. > :37:49.campaign. As Rick said the huge amounts of money flowing into the
:37:50. > :37:52.games and clubs through sponsorship and revenue, they have to start
:37:53. > :38:00.bringing down their prices even more. Sharing the wealth, should
:38:01. > :38:04.more money go from the Premier League to invest in the grassroots
:38:05. > :38:12.of football, it's only 100 million that has been pledged, when you
:38:13. > :38:17.think of the figures involved. ?100 million in terms of the Premier
:38:18. > :38:23.League is a significant sum, in terms of grassroots, of course more
:38:24. > :38:27.can always be done... That's two players from Manchester City, in
:38:28. > :38:38.compared to the cost of the TV rights. Or less than half a player
:38:39. > :38:41.in the case of PSG. The Premier League for its greatness has not let
:38:42. > :38:47.the cash flow around in the right way and has denied its fans access.
:38:48. > :38:52.Unquestionably there are some issues that needs to be addressed, it's
:38:53. > :38:56.been a success on many, many levels but I think there are some
:38:57. > :39:00.challenges ahead, and neglecting fans, that is huge mistake because
:39:01. > :39:05.at the end of the day it is atmosphere that is of paramount
:39:06. > :39:14.importance. Fans absolutely part of the event, and without traditional
:39:15. > :39:23.fans, the spectacle is not what it should be. Many fans of an older
:39:24. > :39:26.profile, due to their age, Henry, only 13 foreign players in the
:39:27. > :39:33.Premier League started, your entire career has been about covering the
:39:34. > :39:37.Premier League. The now - know the majority of foreign players, how
:39:38. > :39:41.much of an issue has this been for England's national team. My career
:39:42. > :39:46.has almost been learning new languages with the welter of foreign
:39:47. > :39:52.players coming in! It's a huge issue for the team, your statistic of 67%
:39:53. > :39:55.of foreign players impinges on the opportunities, the pathway of these
:39:56. > :39:59.good kids but we've got being developed at the academies, they are
:40:00. > :40:05.not able to force their way into first team squad is because coaches,
:40:06. > :40:08.many of whom are foreign and don't necessarily have any affiliation to
:40:09. > :40:13.the England team, because of the pressure on them to win trophies,
:40:14. > :40:16.they are not going to risk it with young kids. There are exceptions,
:40:17. > :40:21.Mauricio Pochettino at Spurs does give kids a chance as we saw at the
:40:22. > :40:27.weekend. There are some managers who are enlightened on this. But too
:40:28. > :40:32.Fisher. It's huge for the national team because we saw this summer the
:40:33. > :40:36.England age group teams are doing well, the under 19 groups, the under
:40:37. > :40:39.20s, what has happened to the senior teams, they are struggling to get of
:40:40. > :40:43.the group stage of tournaments because too few of these players are
:40:44. > :40:52.getting opportunities. A big challenge. In 25 years maybe we will
:40:53. > :40:53.be talking about 50 years of the Premier League. Rick Parry, Henry
:40:54. > :40:55.Winter, thank you. That's all we've got
:40:56. > :40:57.time for tonight. But before we go, it emerged over
:40:58. > :41:02.the weekend that the 18th century erotic classic,
:41:03. > :41:04.Fanny Hill, had been removed from a university reading
:41:05. > :41:06.list for being too racy. We didn't want any students who'd
:41:07. > :41:09.hoped to read it to feel So here's the editor of The Amorist,
:41:10. > :41:23.Rowan Pelling, with a passage. And now, disengaged from the shirt,
:41:24. > :41:27.I saw with wonder and surprise... Not the plaything of a boy,
:41:28. > :41:31.nor the weapon of a man, but a maypole of so enormous
:41:32. > :41:34.a standard that, had proportions been observed,
:41:35. > :41:36.it must have belonged Its prodigious size made me shrink
:41:37. > :41:42.again, yet it could not, without pleasure, behold,
:41:43. > :41:45.and even venture to feel such a length and breadth of animated
:41:46. > :41:50.ivory, perfectly well The proud stiffness
:41:51. > :42:04.of which distended its skin, whose smooth polish and velvet
:42:05. > :42:07.softness might vie with that of the most delicate of our sex,
:42:08. > :42:11.and whose exquisite whiteness