:00:00. > :00:12.Ang Sang Suu Kyi, once feted as the woman who can do no
:00:13. > :00:15.wrong on the world stage, now she's being cast as the bad guy
:00:16. > :00:22.Her office is accusing international aid workers
:00:23. > :00:25.There's talk of crimes against humanity and even
:00:26. > :00:29.We ask a human rights activist and a campaigner
:00:30. > :00:42.Hurricane Irma continues to bring havoc and death
:00:43. > :00:45.to the Caribbean, as it heads towards Cuba and Florida.
:00:46. > :00:47.We'll hear from an eye witness to the strongest
:00:48. > :00:55.And Eurythmics' Dave Stewart returns to the stage, flying solo.
:00:56. > :01:03.I think Annie and I...will be joined at the hip for ever.
:01:04. > :01:18.Yeah, I would say we definitely will.
:01:19. > :01:25.Fake news - not two words from Donald Trump,
:01:26. > :01:29.but from the famous Nobel Peace prize-winning leader of Burma,
:01:30. > :01:33.Ang Sang Suu Kyi, praised by everyone from Barack Obama
:01:34. > :01:38.She is seeking to deflect the Rohingya crisis that has so far
:01:39. > :01:40.sent almost 150,000 Rohingya Muslims fleeing
:01:41. > :01:46.Her government denies the Burmese military have laid land mines along
:01:47. > :01:48.the border between the two countries, but the BBC
:01:49. > :01:55.at least three injuries from land mines just this week.
:01:56. > :01:58.At Westminster, the Labour MP Yasmin Qureshi called the recent
:01:59. > :02:01.violence against the Rohingya a campaign of "ethnic cleansing",
:02:02. > :02:03.and she went on to condemn the international community
:02:04. > :02:07.for "effectively remaining silent as we watch another Srebrenica
:02:08. > :02:15.Ang Sang Suu Kyi insists that the crisis is being
:02:16. > :02:16.distorted by a "huge iceberg of misinformation" promoting
:02:17. > :02:26.Here's our diplomatic editor, Mark Urban.
:02:27. > :02:32.These scenes are causing a global impact.
:02:33. > :02:37.An exodus of Rohingya Muslim refugees fleeing security
:02:38. > :02:43.operations by the Armed Forces of Burma, or Myanmar.
:02:44. > :02:47.Today, the head of the UN criticised that government's offensive
:02:48. > :02:56.and urged the granting of full human rights to the Rohingya.
:02:57. > :02:58.I appeal to all - all - authorities in Myanmar,
:02:59. > :03:07.and military authorities, to indeed put an end
:03:08. > :03:10.in my opinion, is creating a situation that can
:03:11. > :03:15.And the crisis is doing nothing for the international reputation
:03:16. > :03:22.Once imprisoned and a symbol of the country's yearning
:03:23. > :03:25.for democracy, she has since 2015 been a leading member
:03:26. > :03:37.Now she is denouncing the press for reporting the Rohingya mission,
:03:38. > :03:43.making references to fake news and an "iceberg of misinformation".
:03:44. > :03:45.From her education in Britain to today's crisis, it's
:03:46. > :03:54.She kind of melded very brilliantly for a while the whole Western,
:03:55. > :04:00.British democratic politics with this kind of discourse,
:04:01. > :04:03.you had Oxford, with the Burmese Buddhism that she grew
:04:04. > :04:05.up in and with the whole independence philosophy
:04:06. > :04:17.These were very disparate things which she melded very successfully.
:04:18. > :04:19.But that is a hard mix, or fix, to maintain indefinitely,
:04:20. > :04:26.both from a psychological point of view and from a practical point
:04:27. > :04:29.of view, and unfortunately, I think that she's lost the plot.
:04:30. > :04:31.During the long years of house arrest, Aung was championed
:04:32. > :04:36.In fact I very often thought I'm quite free,
:04:37. > :04:40.I don't know why people say I'm not free.
:04:41. > :04:44.After her release five years ago, she campaigned
:04:45. > :04:53.The belief in spiritual freedom does not have to mean an indifference
:04:54. > :04:57.to the practical need for the basic rights and freedoms that
:04:58. > :05:00.are generally seen as necessary that human beings may live
:05:01. > :05:08.A basic human right which I value highly is freedom from fear.
:05:09. > :05:14.She is very much an insider, her father having founded
:05:15. > :05:19.modern Burma and belonged to its military elite.
:05:20. > :05:22.And in the current confrontation between the army and the Muslim
:05:23. > :05:25.minority, she stands against militancy and
:05:26. > :05:33.Well, I'm upset that she hasn't abided by her own
:05:34. > :05:40.which made her such a great person, the values which are important.
:05:41. > :05:42.She's there, she's queen bee, she's got the power,
:05:43. > :05:45.she's got the following, she's where she wants to be.
:05:46. > :05:47.She's not particularly bothered, as far as I can tell,
:05:48. > :05:52.about what the outside world thinks any more.
:05:53. > :06:00.With the campaign against the Rohingyas still underway,
:06:01. > :06:02.the Burmese Government is taking a defiant line -
:06:03. > :06:06.consequences of the operation have caused some at least to think again
:06:07. > :06:09.Akshaya Kumar is the deputy United Nations director
:06:10. > :06:20.at Human Rights Watch, and she joins us from New York.
:06:21. > :06:28.Good evening to you. First of all, can you describe what you think is
:06:29. > :06:31.the plight of the Rohingya people just now? What our researchers have
:06:32. > :06:37.been able to find is incredibly disturbing. We know that almost
:06:38. > :06:42.150,000 people have been forced to flee for their lives across a
:06:43. > :06:44.dangerous river into Bangladesh. Many are hungry and tired and many
:06:45. > :06:50.are reporting that they've lost their family members in attacks by
:06:51. > :06:55.the military, by security forces. They feel persecuted and this
:06:56. > :06:59.doesn't come just from this incident but also from the systematic
:07:00. > :07:06.discrimination that this community faces for so many years inside
:07:07. > :07:12.Myanmar. You will have heard today that this has been called fake news
:07:13. > :07:18.by Ang Sang Suu Kyi? That's right. She says we are dealing with a
:07:19. > :07:22.terrorist threat, and I have to say that yes, there have been some
:07:23. > :07:26.pieces of misinformation, some photos circulated from other
:07:27. > :07:31.conflicts which are purported to come from the crisis. With what
:07:32. > :07:37.we've found independently, through our own satellite imagery analysis,
:07:38. > :07:49.is that over 20 front unique locations in the northern part of
:07:50. > :08:00.Rakhine state have been eliminated - not all of this can be dismissed as
:08:01. > :08:09.fake news. What power do you think Ang Sang Suu Kyi has to stop this?
:08:10. > :08:12.Well, in some ways, Burma's government is now split between the
:08:13. > :08:19.military and the civilian side, but what Ang Sang Suu Kyi has is quite
:08:20. > :08:23.unique because she is a Nobel peace laureate, is the power of her voice,
:08:24. > :08:28.her conviction and the power to stand up for all people within the
:08:29. > :08:35.country, including the much maligned and attacked Rohingya community, and
:08:36. > :08:41.today she just hasn't done that. In the lectures for the BBC she talked
:08:42. > :08:44.about basic human rights for all - now, was that just for public
:08:45. > :08:52.consumption or do you really believe that she is equivocating over this
:08:53. > :08:58.or that she genuinely believes? Does she believe the range or do not have
:08:59. > :09:03.the same human rights? It is hard to know what's actually motivating her
:09:04. > :09:06.at this point in time. There could be some political calculations. She
:09:07. > :09:12.is at the end of the day an elected politician. But her words, the
:09:13. > :09:16.words, they stand for themselves. She has spoken out for human rights
:09:17. > :09:22.for all people, whether baby citizens or not. So, any of this
:09:23. > :09:25.domestic rhetoric that says these people do not belong here should not
:09:26. > :09:31.matter, because they don't deserve to be killed and persecuted and
:09:32. > :09:37.driven from their homes by rapes or killings by the military. Finally,
:09:38. > :09:41.do you think there is something the Nobel peace committee should do,
:09:42. > :09:45.there is talk of rescinding her prize which they say they can't do,
:09:46. > :09:50.but should there be some censure? The prize itself is irrevocable but
:09:51. > :09:55.it does stand for some principles. We've already seen a few Nobel
:09:56. > :09:59.laureates reach out and asking Ang Sang Suu Kyi to do the right thing
:10:00. > :10:03.and to stand up. Many more of these laureates can do that and we can
:10:04. > :10:08.only hope that their voices will prevail on her to take the right
:10:09. > :10:11.decision to cooperate with the UN and to stop obstructing the delivery
:10:12. > :10:15.of aid and to allow independent human rights investigators in to
:10:16. > :10:17.determine what is the truth and what is fake news.
:10:18. > :10:19.Labour MP Rushanara Ali is the chair of the all-party
:10:20. > :10:33.Good evening. Do you think that she was massively lauded by Barack
:10:34. > :10:36.Obama, Angela Merkel, the BBC lecture, she opened your party's
:10:37. > :10:41.headquarters - was it a huge miscalculations? I don't think it
:10:42. > :10:46.was a miscalculation. I think the international community rightly
:10:47. > :10:50.agonised her sacrifice and her fight for democracy in her country. And
:10:51. > :10:57.that was the right thing to do. But I think what we failed to do is to
:10:58. > :11:04.recognise that the transition to democracy was not going to be a
:11:05. > :11:07.smooth one, and one of the things that I and many other
:11:08. > :11:10.parliamentarians, one of the challenges which we expressed would
:11:11. > :11:17.continue, was that if we remove sanctions very rapidly, we would
:11:18. > :11:23.lose the leverage to influence the government, which even with
:11:24. > :11:25.democratic transition, it is an in perfect democracy, 25% of
:11:26. > :11:30.parliamentarians are still from the ruling military, who control defence
:11:31. > :11:35.and security and much else, they hold the balance of power
:11:36. > :11:38.ultimately. Maybe there was a missed cut elation. We heard her
:11:39. > :11:43.biographers say that she was very much steeped in the military, she
:11:44. > :11:46.was part of the whole state idea and perhaps she was pulling the wool
:11:47. > :11:55.over our eyes? I wouldn't say that but I think that sometimes, because
:11:56. > :11:59.of her persona, because of her campaign and being under house
:12:00. > :12:07.arrest, many of us, I did and many of us... Were beguiled? Looked to
:12:08. > :12:10.her as a symbol. And it's been deeply disappointing that she has
:12:11. > :12:16.not stood up for the rights of the minority is, particularly the
:12:17. > :12:19.Rohingya. I visited Burma in 2012 after the attacks on Rohingya
:12:20. > :12:25.Muslims, where over 100,000 were displaced, and subsequently, they
:12:26. > :12:31.don't recognise the Rohingya, they don't recognise the disappeared
:12:32. > :12:36.ones. Exactly, she consistently accused... She was never clear about
:12:37. > :12:41.the Rohingya comma she always equivocated about the Rohingya. Yes,
:12:42. > :12:45.and many yes. Terrines in this country and in other countries
:12:46. > :12:51.raised alarm bells about that. -- and many parliamentarians. So what
:12:52. > :13:01.happens? Your colleague has talked about the ghost of Srebrenica, the
:13:02. > :13:07.ghost of Rwanda - can anyone stop her? Well, it's not just Ang Sang
:13:08. > :13:10.Suu Kyi, it's the military, it's the military who is dictating what is
:13:11. > :13:15.happening and it is convenient for them that much of the attention is
:13:16. > :13:19.on her, understandably. Except that if she is queen bee, she could exert
:13:20. > :13:24.more power? She should use her voice, that's true, and she hasn't,
:13:25. > :13:28.and that's deeply disappointing. But what we really need to do urgently
:13:29. > :13:31.is to apply serious pressure through the international media and the
:13:32. > :13:36.international community and the United Nations on the military,
:13:37. > :13:39.because they are prosecuting these murders, they have killed thousands
:13:40. > :13:43.and thousands of people, half a million people have been displaced
:13:44. > :13:47.and art in refugee camps in Chittagong in Bangladesh. Thousands
:13:48. > :13:54.of people have been displaced. This remark about fake news is shocking.
:13:55. > :13:57.But the focus has got to be on holding the military rulers to
:13:58. > :14:03.account, because they're still calling the shots. However, who are
:14:04. > :14:09.the ones to put Russia on Burma? I wonder if there is the possibility
:14:10. > :14:11.that all of those people, Angela Merkel, Barack Obama, should be
:14:12. > :14:16.shaming her into standing up to the military? What I would say is that
:14:17. > :14:18.she needs to stand up to the military, but the international
:14:19. > :14:25.community and Western leaders need to stand up to Burma's military. The
:14:26. > :14:29.United Kingdom, I coordinated a letter to Boris Johnson last year
:14:30. > :14:32.after the last episode of violence that resulted in thousands of people
:14:33. > :14:36.being killed and displaced and we got a response from a junior
:14:37. > :14:41.minister. This time he took a good few days before he made a statement,
:14:42. > :14:45.which was pretty tame, frankly. And we are still providing military
:14:46. > :14:51.training, spending hundreds of thousands of pounds, and those
:14:52. > :14:56.issues need to be reviewed. It's questionable whether that kind of
:14:57. > :15:00.effort is actually going to work, because it's not so far, the
:15:01. > :15:06.military are doing nothing but causing greater harm and prosecuting
:15:07. > :15:08.murder. Do you think that now and forever more, Ang Sang Suu Kyi's
:15:09. > :15:15.reputation is tainted? Absolutely, but the reputation of the country
:15:16. > :15:18.overall is tainted. We've got to exact rate pressure both on her and
:15:19. > :15:21.on the military. Thank you for joining us.
:15:22. > :15:23.It's been just 24 hours since the Home Office plans
:15:24. > :15:25.for immigration post-Brexit were leaked by the Guardian.
:15:26. > :15:28.Under the draft plan, firms would have to recruit locally
:15:29. > :15:32.unless they could prove an "economic need" to employ EU citizens.
:15:33. > :15:41.Now, we must emphasise that the Government has said these
:15:42. > :15:43.plans are just a draft, and since it was put together,
:15:44. > :15:46.there have been six more versions of the plan.
:15:47. > :15:49.Still, firms that rely on EU workers have warned of the "catastrophic"
:15:50. > :15:50.impact of the proposals and the "massive disruption"
:15:51. > :15:55.David Grossman has been taking a look.
:15:56. > :16:02.How many copies, Hauman experiments and how much fruit did EU migrants
:16:03. > :16:06.provide Britain with today? The Brexit folk show that for many, the
:16:07. > :16:13.rate and scale of EU migration has been too great -- Brexit vote. How
:16:14. > :16:17.to cut it without damaging the economy is a difficult balancing
:16:18. > :16:22.act. Thanks to a leak in a policy document, we have clues now as to
:16:23. > :16:26.what Whitehawk is thinking. It is only a draft so I suspect it will go
:16:27. > :16:30.to a few changes but it is broadly on the right lines. It is to be
:16:31. > :16:36.welcomed, if implemented as proposed, and we would see a
:16:37. > :16:40.considerable significant reduction in the numbers coming from the EU
:16:41. > :16:46.which is what people broadly voted for a year ago. According to the
:16:47. > :16:50.document, the unrestricted flows of EU migrants will come to an end. In
:16:51. > :16:56.the future they will blow builder to allowing only those who make a
:16:57. > :17:01.valuable contribution -- they will be filtered. That will be on skills
:17:02. > :17:05.and salary and social impact. To be considered valuable to the country
:17:06. > :17:09.as a whole it says that immigration should benefit not just the migrants
:17:10. > :17:15.themselves but also make extinct residents better off. -- existing
:17:16. > :17:19.residents. The government says it will not comment on the substance of
:17:20. > :17:25.the league. We are told this is an old draft, but Theresa May was clear
:17:26. > :17:30.today that post Brexit much will have to change. We continue to
:17:31. > :17:34.believe that it is important to have net migration at sustainable levels,
:17:35. > :17:37.the tens of thousands, because of the impact particularly it has on
:17:38. > :17:43.people at the lower end of the income scale in depressing wages.
:17:44. > :17:48.But some economists say there is little evidence that EU migrants
:17:49. > :17:52.suppressed wages. Britain needs overseas workers because
:17:53. > :17:56.unemployment is low and there is no obvious alternative to the workers,
:17:57. > :18:00.they say. The employers we have spoken to have talked about
:18:01. > :18:04.targeting former offenders, women going back to the labour market
:18:05. > :18:09.after a period out of work, always talking about school leavers. They
:18:10. > :18:13.are desperately trying to tap into those sources of labour but the fact
:18:14. > :18:16.is that those sectors have always employed migrants and always been an
:18:17. > :18:22.attractive to British workers said it is hard to see how any group or
:18:23. > :18:27.even set of groups is going to meet employers need if there was a
:18:28. > :18:31.reduction in EU migration. Workers would, according to the document, be
:18:32. > :18:34.treated differently based on their level of skill. Higher skilled
:18:35. > :18:38.workers would have the chance to come to the UK for three to five
:18:39. > :18:43.years while lower skilled workers would just have to years residency
:18:44. > :18:46.and rights to bring family and this could be restricted. Employers who
:18:47. > :18:50.still had to recruit low skilled workers from abroad might have been
:18:51. > :18:57.paid a skilled tax to help train UK workers. The implication is that
:18:58. > :19:02.employers might have just pay a bit more to attract UK workers. None of
:19:03. > :19:05.our research suggests that the reason we can't get workers is
:19:06. > :19:09.because of pay, there are cultural issues white UK workers do not want
:19:10. > :19:14.to do these jobs. We can work on that. There might be scope in the
:19:15. > :19:17.future for looking at automation and technology at an answer to replacing
:19:18. > :19:23.some of these jobs but the facts on the ground are that overseas workers
:19:24. > :19:30.currently primarily from the EU make up a lot of these jobs. Agriculture
:19:31. > :19:35.and horticulture rely on them at the moment. Even in high skilled sectors
:19:36. > :19:40.like sound and research which would supposedly be favoured in the new
:19:41. > :19:43.system, there is concern. Our scientific workforce in the UK is
:19:44. > :19:49.made up of a wide range of people from all over the world and a wide
:19:50. > :19:52.spectrum of different talents and skills, from the technicians and
:19:53. > :20:01.from the early career researchers right through to professors and
:20:02. > :20:05.CEOs. The risk of putting salary and other criteria like qualifications
:20:06. > :20:09.on a migration system is that you may inadvertently cut out access to
:20:10. > :20:14.the UK from some of those people. You could have a Ph.D. In science
:20:15. > :20:18.and be extremely expert in your field and not meet the current
:20:19. > :20:26.salary threshold for migrants from outside the EU which is around
:20:27. > :20:30.?21,000 a year. Immigration is where two Brexit realities collide, want
:20:31. > :20:33.economic and one political. Picking its way through this is one of the
:20:34. > :20:34.most significant challenges faced by the government.
:20:35. > :20:39.Our political editor, Nick Watt, is here.
:20:40. > :20:46.This has caused quite a reaction. London method of Khan said it would
:20:47. > :20:53.strangle the London clinic and Nicky Morgan said she was concerned about
:20:54. > :20:56.it. The significance of this if it is the first definitive account of
:20:57. > :21:01.how the UK will seek to control immigration when we have left the EU
:21:02. > :21:06.and as David was saying, it will be a relatively benign system for
:21:07. > :21:09.higher skilled workers but there will be more restrictions for low
:21:10. > :21:14.skilled workers. It was interesting to date, Jeremy Corbyn was silent on
:21:15. > :21:19.this. I spoke to a number of pro-European Tories and one
:21:20. > :21:23.pro-European cabinet member said that they hope that when people look
:21:24. > :21:29.at this they will seek that it is not that bad, quite soft, and it
:21:30. > :21:33.seeks to answer the dilemma. How do you take back control of immigration
:21:34. > :21:38.and bring the numbers down but do it in a way that does not harm the
:21:39. > :21:42.economy? One thing I have learned this evening, an idea from this
:21:43. > :21:45.draft that has been absolutely rejected is that in the transition
:21:46. > :21:49.period immediately after we leave the EU there is an idea for EU
:21:50. > :21:54.citizens who want to stay in the UK for a little longer would have to
:21:55. > :22:00.give their fingerprints. I spoke to a senior cabinet member who said
:22:01. > :22:05.absolutely no way, that is out. What about the idea of transitional
:22:06. > :22:12.arrangements? What does this tell us? Overlooked in this document is
:22:13. > :22:15.the most detailed account of how the government will deal and manage with
:22:16. > :22:19.this transitional period which is officially known as the
:22:20. > :22:23.implementation phase. Ministers are been quite cagey about saying how
:22:24. > :22:29.much it'll last. In this document it says it will last for at least two
:22:30. > :22:35.years and, on the rules for migration in that transition period,
:22:36. > :22:38.they hug the rules on EU free movement very closely. If talks
:22:39. > :22:43.about how you would have to register, that is consistent with EU
:22:44. > :22:47.law and in fact that is the rule that applies in Germany. It is
:22:48. > :22:50.interesting, there is a Cabinet committee that oversees this
:22:51. > :22:54.negotiation, six members, and they recently agreed there should be this
:22:55. > :22:58.transition which is following on from the intimidation phase outlined
:22:59. > :23:01.in Theresa May's Lancaster House speech. They did not agree the
:23:02. > :23:07.timing but what I have learned is that Boris Johnson is pushing back
:23:08. > :23:11.and he is saying, make sure this last no longer than one year. That
:23:12. > :23:12.is not what is in this document. State but because I will come back
:23:13. > :23:16.to you. -- stay put. Well, one of the key sectors
:23:17. > :23:18.that could be affected by these leaked proposals
:23:19. > :23:20.is hospitality and tourism. 4.6 million people
:23:21. > :23:22.work in the industry, an estimated 700,000
:23:23. > :23:23.of which are from Joining me now is Ufi Ibrahim,
:23:24. > :23:27.the chief executive of the British Hospitality
:23:28. > :23:34.Association. Good evening. I know that the
:23:35. > :23:39.hospitality industry has been kicking up today but you would say
:23:40. > :23:43.that because, in a sense, a lot of what you do survives on cheap labour
:23:44. > :23:47.and a lot of European nationals are prepared to come and work for the
:23:48. > :23:52.lowest wages within the law. The Prime Minister talked today about
:23:53. > :23:57.depressing wages by employing EU nationals but there is no evidence
:23:58. > :24:01.to support that and in fact the evidence suggests otherwise. The
:24:02. > :24:05.truth is that in the United Kingdom at the moment we have the lowest
:24:06. > :24:10.level of unemployment that we have had for the past 40 years. Any
:24:11. > :24:15.further southern or material change to the supply of labour to the UK
:24:16. > :24:20.workforce would be significantly damaging for an industry that
:24:21. > :24:24.already find it very difficult to find people to actually employed
:24:25. > :24:27.here in the workforce. Perhaps it is because the conditions are not
:24:28. > :24:31.attractive enough in that there is not enough support and training and
:24:32. > :24:34.I would put it that perhaps the hospitality industry has been quite
:24:35. > :24:41.lazy because they're rather half a million unemployed between 18 and
:24:42. > :24:45.24, and actually you could encourage them more through colleges and
:24:46. > :24:50.on-the-job training but it is easier to pick up an incredibly
:24:51. > :24:54.enthusiastic person from Europe who speaks three languages and is
:24:55. > :24:59.prepared to work long hours and for low pay. At an industry we reject
:25:00. > :25:03.the argument that the British individual is not attractive to work
:25:04. > :25:08.in our industry. What are you doing to attract them? Our industry
:25:09. > :25:15.employs 3.2 million people directly in the UK, 700,000 of which are EU
:25:16. > :25:20.nationals. 75% of waiters are from outside the UK. Going back to the
:25:21. > :25:24.original question, in our industry we have serious numbers of people
:25:25. > :25:28.who started out at the entry level and have made it to being the senior
:25:29. > :25:33.executives in the business and in fact two thirds of all senior level
:25:34. > :25:36.executives in the industry started with very little qualifications and
:25:37. > :25:40.experience and started at that low level which proves the point that
:25:41. > :25:45.the industry is actually one of the great meritocracy is of the UK. Huge
:25:46. > :25:51.training possibilities and development possibilities. That is
:25:52. > :25:55.the opposite to one of the contributors of the film who said
:25:56. > :25:59.they found it hard to attract UK born people do these jobs. It
:26:00. > :26:05.suggests that with a bit more effort you could employ British people in
:26:06. > :26:09.British jobs as it were. I think the reality is that all businesses
:26:10. > :26:14.including the hospitality industry have come to rely on the strategic
:26:15. > :26:19.advantage of being able to have an EU workforce. That is an absolute
:26:20. > :26:22.reality. But it is also... The experience of most people I would
:26:23. > :26:27.suggest is that those workers are extremely good. But the point is
:26:28. > :26:33.that has allowed you to sit back and say, we are not going to do as much
:26:34. > :26:38.as we could. You are talking about taking ten years as it were to fill
:26:39. > :26:42.the gap but you have known since last June, this has been
:26:43. > :26:45.accelerating what you do to attract local workforce. For the past three
:26:46. > :26:51.years we have been the only industry in the UK is leading campaigns like
:26:52. > :26:55.the big conversation which have created 67,000 new career starts for
:26:56. > :27:00.British youngsters under 25 also Berra very few industries in the UK
:27:01. > :27:04.that have gone the extra mile to be able to attract those sort of
:27:05. > :27:09.individuals -- there are very few. But the point is that in the UK
:27:10. > :27:12.there is a fundamental issue around vocational education will stop
:27:13. > :27:16.government cannot push the whole burden of the private sector, they
:27:17. > :27:19.must accept responsibility... What do you want the government to do to
:27:20. > :27:24.change the way that kind of education is delivered? At the
:27:25. > :27:28.centre is launching any proposal for immigration policy, the UK
:27:29. > :27:32.Government must ensure that they consider a holistic mix of policies
:27:33. > :27:36.that will be required to ensure that industries like ours will not be
:27:37. > :27:40.harmed and that includes educational policy. The Department for Education
:27:41. > :27:43.must come forward and propose ways in which they will promote
:27:44. > :27:46.vocational education and I want to give you an example of something
:27:47. > :27:50.which we are very concerned about. We were dismayed when the levels
:27:51. > :27:59.were announced and the government said they were postponing the
:28:00. > :28:05.introduction of T-levels in the UK, the equivalent to a levels in
:28:06. > :28:10.vocational education, to prepare an industry like ours and that has been
:28:11. > :28:15.postponed to 2090 and furthermore they have said our industry will not
:28:16. > :28:20.be integrated into the T-levels in the first round. -- 2019. How was it
:28:21. > :28:24.possible that the government that is serious about making Brexit success
:28:25. > :28:27.is not willing to provide the whole mix of policies that industries like
:28:28. > :28:28.ours need to do that? Thank you for joining us.
:28:29. > :28:39.What is good to happen with the EU withdrawal bill tomorrow? -- going
:28:40. > :28:42.to happen. It is highly likely it will get a second reading, Labour
:28:43. > :28:45.will vote against it but the pro-Europeans in the Tories are
:28:46. > :28:50.keeping their powder dry for when the bill is considered at committee
:28:51. > :28:54.stage after the conference season in October. Interestingly it had been
:28:55. > :28:59.assumed that might be the high noon moment when they try to amend the
:29:00. > :29:02.bill to but the single market element in there. They are not going
:29:03. > :29:06.to do that, they are going to concentrate on one key area, what
:29:07. > :29:10.they regard as a power grab by the government. When all this EU law is
:29:11. > :29:13.brought on to the UK Statute book, when there are thousands of delusion
:29:14. > :29:17.that might need to be taped as they will be done through the so-called
:29:18. > :29:22.Henry VIII clauses, ie by ministers without a debate in Parliament and
:29:23. > :29:26.they will focus on that. Tory whips are reasonably confident they should
:29:27. > :29:28.survive this and it will go through in October. Thank you.
:29:29. > :29:30.There has not been a storm like it for three decades.
:29:31. > :29:32.Hurricane Irma is making its treacherous way,
:29:33. > :29:34.with winds of 185mph and gusts of 220mph
:29:35. > :29:39.battering the Caribbean islands, heading to Puerto Rico,
:29:40. > :29:42.Haiti and onto Cuba and Florida, where storm surges could be 11ft.
:29:43. > :29:45.Earlier this evening, we managed to get through to Rupert Passat,
:29:46. > :29:47.who is holed up with his family in the capital
:29:48. > :30:14.We had a great view of the main harbour at Road Town on Tortola.
:30:15. > :30:16.What does it look like when you can see out?
:30:17. > :30:19.Well now we are actually still partially in the storm.
:30:20. > :30:28.Where they keep all the catamarans and what have you, it is all smashed
:30:29. > :30:30.and they're all piled on top of each other.
:30:31. > :30:37.Because the eye of the hurricane has come straight through Road Town
:30:38. > :30:40.harbour, so we got the first half, so to speak, of the hurricane.
:30:41. > :30:45.And we didn't really know what to expect.
:30:46. > :30:47.We were jumping from one room to another.
:30:48. > :30:57.We set up in one of the bathrooms and heard lots of noises,
:30:58. > :31:00.water started coming through the ceilings, so we vacated
:31:01. > :31:03.that room and went into the living room and we ended up
:31:04. > :31:07.What were the authorities telling you to do?
:31:08. > :31:15.There's been plenty of advice and warnings.
:31:16. > :31:17.There's the Department of Disaster Management which has
:31:18. > :31:20.been texting and e-mailing everyone, just to make sure that
:31:21. > :31:28.I mean it was crazy, it was total mayhem.
:31:29. > :31:30.What was it like when you were actually in the bathroom
:31:31. > :31:32.with the children and you could hear it battering?
:31:33. > :31:43.At the beginning, we were just sort of, not casual about it but just
:31:44. > :31:46.not really expecting what was going to happen.
:31:47. > :31:55.Now we can see what's happened, all the trees have gone.
:31:56. > :31:58.As I say, all the boats are all smashed up.
:31:59. > :32:15.We had at least five days to plan for this.
:32:16. > :32:19.Obviously, we got plenty of water, provisions, the odd drop of red
:32:20. > :32:28.wine and managed to get a bottle of Glenfiddich.
:32:29. > :32:32.But it's actually been so serious that we haven't really had a chance
:32:33. > :32:37.If you don't mind me saying, Rupert, you do sound quite traumatised.
:32:38. > :32:42.I am, yeah, stressful, very stressful experience.
:32:43. > :32:46.It's hard to understand or to know how they're going to clear this up.
:32:47. > :32:57.And are you managing to keep in touch with friends roundabout?
:32:58. > :33:00.I must say, I must say, the one thing that we've been able
:33:01. > :33:09.And what do you think happens next for you and the family?
:33:10. > :33:13.Well, I think, if I just take a breath, I think
:33:14. > :33:22.the next few days here and obviously regroup,
:33:23. > :33:27.the is plenty of water that has come into the apartment.
:33:28. > :33:31.By the looks of it, as we look down on to the capital
:33:32. > :33:36.I just don't know where to start with this.
:33:37. > :33:39.I think they're going to need external help to be honest.
:33:40. > :33:45.I've never seen such devastation to be honest.
:33:46. > :33:49.There are 50ft catamarans in the bay that have been turned over.
:33:50. > :34:03.I'm very relieved, even though the storm is still here and it's
:34:04. > :34:06.still hammering down, but we feel that we've seen the worst
:34:07. > :34:10.We go to great lengths on Newsnight to bring
:34:11. > :34:14.but occasionally, we reluctantly cede a bit of airtime to
:34:15. > :34:25.Tonight we bring you an exclusive jam and interview with one-time
:34:26. > :34:31.and a hugely successful songwriter and producer.
:34:32. > :34:33.One of his early LP covers listed Edward de Bono,
:34:34. > :34:35.the father of lateral thinking, among the credits.
:34:36. > :34:38.And Stewart's own thoughts have been sought out by such movers
:34:39. > :34:39.and shakers as Charles Saatchi, Richard Branson
:34:40. > :34:43.On the eve of some rare concert dates in the UK
:34:44. > :34:46.to mark his 65th birthday, Dave Stewart has been talking
:34:47. > :34:55.I very rarely have played live in England.
:34:56. > :34:57.And I'm going to the Sunderland Empire and playing live,
:34:58. > :35:00.where I've never played since I was about 16 or 17.
:35:01. > :35:04.So, that is obviously going to be pretty emotional for me.
:35:05. > :35:18.# Falling on my head like a new emotion...
:35:19. > :35:22.When you're an ultimate rock insider like Dave Stewart,
:35:23. > :35:25.you can fly over the best session musicians from the States
:35:26. > :35:29.for your homecoming gigs and rehearse them in a huge studio
:35:30. > :35:33.in the basement of a London hotel which you just
:35:34. > :36:03.Stewart has come a long way from the early days
:36:04. > :36:06.of The Eurythmics, when a lack of funds led to inspired
:36:07. > :36:15.Annie and I, in a boardroom with, like, gold albums...
:36:16. > :36:21.Sort of juxtapose it and inject some kind of, you know, flip it.
:36:22. > :36:24.A cow comes walking in the boardroom, like a huge cow,
:36:25. > :36:28.which is very difficult to get the cow to do this.
:36:29. > :36:31.Because you couldn't sort of key it in in those days.
:36:32. > :36:37.Cow, yeah, wandering around and Annie was
:36:38. > :36:45.We didn't want to do anything that had anything to do
:36:46. > :36:58.And they put it on in MTV in America and it just exploded
:36:59. > :37:01.at the same time as the single was going up the charts.
:37:02. > :37:10.And this video was just on like every bloody 15
:37:11. > :37:14.minutes or something, so Annie and I arrived
:37:15. > :37:18.and it was like being a newscaster or something when you're on every
:37:19. > :37:20.night but you're on like 20 times a day.
:37:21. > :37:28.I'm sure many of our viewers who have fond memories
:37:29. > :37:30.of The Eurythmics would wonder, is it possible you will do
:37:31. > :37:37.something together, an album, a short tour, what do you think?
:37:38. > :37:45.I think Annie and I will be joined at the hip for ever.
:37:46. > :37:52.# Who's that girl running around with you
:37:53. > :37:55.We're bound to do something, and in what shape or form it
:37:56. > :38:04.But yeah, I would say we definitely will.
:38:05. > :38:06.Stewart has written for and collaborated with everyone
:38:07. > :38:18.# There's nothing wrong with you I can't fix #.
:38:19. > :38:20.And his original way of thinking has been sought out
:38:21. > :38:28.Listen, Nelson Mandela wants to talk to you on the phone.
:38:29. > :38:33.And there was a speakerphone and it was like...
:38:34. > :38:36.Like nerve-racking, and he came on the phone and he was very funny.
:38:37. > :38:51.And then he was talking about, you know, he wanted to turn the most
:38:52. > :38:54.negative number in his life of 30 odd years, a prison number,
:38:55. > :38:57.he was only called by 46664, he wanted to turn it
:38:58. > :39:02.And I said, what about making it a telephone number?
:39:03. > :39:05.And then Nelson Mandela himself made the message when you rang it,
:39:06. > :39:08."Hello, this is Nelson Mandela" and blah blah.
:39:09. > :39:15.And the longer they stayed on the phone, the more
:39:16. > :39:20.they were donating to launch, you know, the foundation.
:39:21. > :39:33.Is there any truth in the story that you once entertained the notion that
:39:34. > :39:36.dogs might be able to talk, and you could investigate that
:39:37. > :39:46.I once had the notion that hairless cats could possibly talk and be very
:39:47. > :39:57.I didn't get too far with it, no, because when I announced this idea
:39:58. > :40:02.at a press conference with Annie in Australia, I just
:40:03. > :40:05.was talking about it and then we arrived in New Zealand
:40:06. > :40:11.and the Hairless Cat Society turned up to meet me.
:40:12. > :40:17.No, they weren't keen, they thought I was, you know,
:40:18. > :40:19.kind of taking the Mickey out of them.
:40:20. > :40:25.And if you fancy catching Dave Stewart live, he's
:40:26. > :40:27.at the Shepherd's Bush Empire on Friday and
:40:28. > :40:34.Before we go, another reminder of Hurricane Irma,
:40:35. > :40:36.the worst Atlantic storm in nearly four decades, still
:40:37. > :40:39.heading towards Cuba, the Bahamas and Florida.
:40:40. > :40:42.Terrifying and destructive as it is, though, some Caribbean
:40:43. > :40:46.islanders are apparently determined to keep calm and carry on.