0:00:04 > 0:00:07It seems the pieces may be falling into place tonight.
0:00:07 > 0:00:11Could a deal soon be done and then Britain move to phase two
0:00:11 > 0:00:15of the Brexit talks?
0:00:15 > 0:00:18The big names in Brussels are getting ready
0:00:18 > 0:00:20for something to emerge at first light tomorrow.
0:00:20 > 0:00:30Is the PM really poised to crack the Irish border conundrum?
0:00:32 > 0:00:34Meet Gavin Williamson, the new Defence Secretary.
0:00:34 > 0:00:36He says we should kill British jihadis who are overseas.
0:00:36 > 0:00:39Was he grandstanding or advocating that we break the law?
0:00:39 > 0:00:42We'll hear what exactly the law is, and how best to deal
0:00:42 > 0:00:50with former IS fighters.
0:00:50 > 0:00:55Also tonight...
0:00:55 > 0:01:00Just a good fun girl to have in the party and as parents, we are
0:01:00 > 0:01:08incredibly proud of her. -- to have in the family, and as parents, we
0:01:08 > 0:01:17are incredibly proud of her.
0:01:17 > 0:01:18Anorexia took his daughter's life.
0:01:18 > 0:01:20Are adult sufferers of this serious mental illness
0:01:20 > 0:01:21being failed by the system?
0:01:21 > 0:01:22Hello.
0:01:22 > 0:01:24We'll start tonight with the latest on Brexit,
0:01:24 > 0:01:26and although there is no deal to report - no crossing
0:01:26 > 0:01:29of a threshold into phase two of the talks yet -
0:01:29 > 0:01:31there has been a sudden flurry of optimistic comments,
0:01:31 > 0:01:34and the organising of a possible dash to Brussels by
0:01:34 > 0:01:36the Prime Minister, maybe early, early tomorrow.
0:01:36 > 0:01:38That would be a choreographed announcement.
0:01:38 > 0:01:41To be honest, the problem of sorting out the Irish border
0:01:41 > 0:01:43issue had looked huge - and with the deadline of Sunday,
0:01:43 > 0:01:46it seems remarkable that we may get a deal in the morning,
0:01:46 > 0:01:47with time to spare.
0:01:47 > 0:01:49But then again, we may not!
0:01:49 > 0:01:53Well, Nick Watt, our political editor is here with me.
0:01:53 > 0:01:58Nick, I don't think we'd expected this, had we? Suddenly Reuters
0:01:58 > 0:02:06started talking about...Well, a month ago, I was told by people that
0:02:06 > 0:02:09this Friday was the unofficial deadline because after this Friday
0:02:09 > 0:02:15it is very difficult to make substantive changes to European
0:02:15 > 0:02:19Council draft conclusions. Progress has been made today. I am told it
0:02:19 > 0:02:24has been a decent day in comparison to yesterday which was described as
0:02:24 > 0:02:30a holding pattern. So the Prime Minister has talking to the
0:02:30 > 0:02:35Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, and discussions have taken place through
0:02:35 > 0:02:40the normal channels and I am told it is not impossible that the Prime
0:02:40 > 0:02:43Minister could make an early morning visit to Brussels tomorrow morning
0:02:43 > 0:02:47to stand alongside the president of the European Council, Donald Tusk,
0:02:47 > 0:02:52because of course he is in the decision-making and it is up to the
0:02:52 > 0:02:57European Council to decide if we move onto the next stage. The
0:02:57 > 0:03:01message is that we are making progress but we're not quite there.
0:03:01 > 0:03:03Talks are continuing through the night and for the Prime Minister,
0:03:03 > 0:03:07the most crucial talk she's got to have tonight is with Arlene Foster,
0:03:07 > 0:03:15DUP leader.What is conspicuous, this has all come out, I haven't
0:03:15 > 0:03:19heard anything about how they have resolved this. Any indication of
0:03:19 > 0:03:24what they have done?I think what we are looking at is Leo Varadkar was
0:03:24 > 0:03:29very clear that the wording that was there on Monday has to but you can
0:03:29 > 0:03:34have additional wording and what that has got to do for the DUP is
0:03:34 > 0:03:38make absolutely clear that Northern Ireland is fully and completely
0:03:38 > 0:03:42integrated with the rest of the United Kingdom. Now, their strategy
0:03:42 > 0:03:52this week, because we have MPs talking about how it is a toxic
0:03:52 > 0:03:54document, they want to make a Prime Minister sweat. I have been speaking
0:03:54 > 0:03:57to DUP sources. They say we're not there yet, talking about how they
0:03:57 > 0:04:02are moving slowly, surely, carefully but crucially confidently and
0:04:02 > 0:04:05interestingly talk of Donald Tusk speaking tomorrow morning has put a
0:04:05 > 0:04:10shot in the arm because they say they like positive momentum.I dare
0:04:10 > 0:04:13say it will be on our programme tomorrow evening but stay there
0:04:13 > 0:04:17because you are helping with the next item well.
0:04:17 > 0:04:19Gavin Williamson is not the best known cabinet minster -
0:04:19 > 0:04:22he only moved into his job as Defence Secretary five weeks ago.
0:04:22 > 0:04:25Here he is - a Remainer, the most striking thing
0:04:25 > 0:04:30about his appointment was just how unpopular it appeared to be
0:04:30 > 0:04:33among many of his colleagues, who felt he was promoted too
0:04:33 > 0:04:34far too young.
0:04:34 > 0:04:37So he has a lot to prove.
0:04:37 > 0:04:39And it's thus, perhaps, no surprise he's been
0:04:39 > 0:04:41trying to prove himself.
0:04:41 > 0:04:43This week, he vowed to save two heroic army dogs
0:04:43 > 0:04:48from being put down.
0:04:48 > 0:04:51And today, he was in the Daily Mail, pledging to be tough
0:04:51 > 0:04:53on British Jihadists returning from fighting with
0:04:53 > 0:04:54so-called Islamic State.
0:04:54 > 0:04:57He implied that Britain would search out and kill the fighters.
0:04:57 > 0:04:58Populist stuff.
0:04:58 > 0:04:59But what did he mean?
0:04:59 > 0:05:01Often there's less to these kinds of pronouncements
0:05:01 > 0:05:03than meets the eye.
0:05:03 > 0:05:06Did he mean that we should break the law and shoot to kill?
0:05:06 > 0:05:09Or was he was just trying to sound tough while making no
0:05:09 > 0:05:12change in policy at all?
0:05:12 > 0:05:14Certainly, there was a hint of backtracking in later TV interviews;
0:05:14 > 0:05:16with a stress on continuity.
0:05:16 > 0:05:20Whether it's with Daesh, al-Qaeda, operating in foreign fields, we need
0:05:20 > 0:05:24to deal with that, we are dealing with that.
0:05:24 > 0:05:27We have been over the last few years continually tackling
0:05:27 > 0:05:29the terrorist threat.
0:05:29 > 0:05:32We'll continue to do that going forward.
0:05:32 > 0:05:35So has Mr Williamson said something significant,
0:05:35 > 0:05:38and is there more we should be doing to stop or even kill
0:05:38 > 0:05:40British fighters abroad?
0:05:40 > 0:05:43We did ask him onto the programme but he was not available.
0:05:43 > 0:05:45But with the politics of this, Nick Watt, our political
0:05:45 > 0:05:48editor is still with me.
0:05:48 > 0:05:54What did you make of that Daily Mail interview?Well, I spoke to one
0:05:54 > 0:05:59senior MoD source who said there was shot in the MoD when they saw these
0:05:59 > 0:06:03comments this morning. One said to me that this sounded like shoot to
0:06:03 > 0:06:07kill which is taking yourself outside of the law. They said to me
0:06:07 > 0:06:10that when you are an international rules -based country you don't get
0:06:10 > 0:06:14down to the same level as the terrorists. There was real anger and
0:06:14 > 0:06:21concern at what was being said and some criticism of Karen Williamson
0:06:21 > 0:06:24-- of Gavin Williamson, a new Defence Secretary, clearly has
0:06:24 > 0:06:31leadership ambitions, and he is clearly burnishing them.
0:06:31 > 0:06:33Interestingly in Downing Street they don't seem too concerned. I think
0:06:33 > 0:06:40Gavin Williamson was talking about targeting terrorists in the theatre
0:06:40 > 0:06:45of war where the UK is involved in air strikes and they are saying when
0:06:45 > 0:06:50it is the theatre of war the rules are less stringent than when David
0:06:50 > 0:06:57Cameron had to give very stringent rules to air strikes, particularly
0:06:57 > 0:07:12in 2015.Let's dwell on that the Lytton -- dwell on that a little.
0:07:12 > 0:07:13Newsnight understands that back in the 2000s,
0:07:13 > 0:07:16when UKL forces were active in Helmand Province in Afghanistan,
0:07:16 > 0:07:19and it would have been helpful to make drone strikes in Pakistan
0:07:19 > 0:07:21at the time, but the advice was that that was not lawful.
0:07:21 > 0:07:24So let's get a legal take now from the human rights
0:07:24 > 0:07:25lawyer, Fahad Ansari.
0:07:25 > 0:07:27Good evening. What is the difference between a dream strike aiming to
0:07:27 > 0:07:32kill somebody that is legal and one that is illegal? -- a drone strike?
0:07:32 > 0:07:37We live in a democracy with a rule of law and we do not have the death
0:07:37 > 0:07:41penalty in this country. Everybody, no matter what the allegation
0:07:41 > 0:07:48against them, is entitled to a fair trial. Now that context, for any
0:07:48 > 0:07:53action to take place, whether it is by Ed drone, an air strike, what
0:07:53 > 0:08:07ever it is, it is unlawful because you was a merrily executing someone.
0:08:07 > 0:08:13Yes, but we know not every drone strike out in Syria is unlawful.It
0:08:13 > 0:08:19all depends on whether the UK is involved in armed conflict in Syria.
0:08:19 > 0:08:24Let's assume that de facto we are. We are allowed to drone strike
0:08:24 > 0:08:30people in Syria because it is a theatre of war?Not exactly. The
0:08:30 > 0:08:37threat has to be imminent. Even if you are engaged in war, if Syria and
0:08:37 > 0:08:43the UK are at war, who are you at war with? On whose authority are you
0:08:43 > 0:08:48flying your aeroplanes into Syria?I don't want to get into the legality
0:08:48 > 0:08:55of the Syria action at the moment. You mentioned Syria.Because that is
0:08:55 > 0:09:00where our strikes have been. If you are in the theatre of war, you can
0:09:00 > 0:09:11drone strike in the theatre of war? When you drop this drone, how can
0:09:11 > 0:09:15you guarantee it won't kill someone else in the vicinity? I'll give you
0:09:15 > 0:09:21an example, a British citizen was killed in an American drone strike a
0:09:21 > 0:09:27few months ago. Sally Jones. Do you know who was killed with her? Her
0:09:27 > 0:09:3612-year-old son.What was his crime? But you are not going to argue that
0:09:36 > 0:09:43all drone strikes are illegal? Unfortunately, the way the Defence
0:09:43 > 0:09:46Secretary has pitched this, he didn't specify the theatre of war,
0:09:46 > 0:09:51he didn't specify who he was targeting. He just said a dead
0:09:51 > 0:09:57terrorist couldn't argue. He does he define as a terrorist? Assumedly he
0:09:57 > 0:10:07is talking about IS at the moment. The reality is that the British and
0:10:07 > 0:10:15has already executed two of its citizens within Syria.We will hear
0:10:15 > 0:10:18more about that now. Fahad, thank you.
0:10:18 > 0:10:20So, how big is the problem with so-called IS fighters trying
0:10:20 > 0:10:23to return to the UK - and how are they being dealt with?
0:10:23 > 0:10:26Here's Mike Thomson.
0:10:26 > 0:10:32The first British to Hadi in Syria to be hunted down -- British jihadi
0:10:32 > 0:10:48in Syria to be hunted down, in this case by an RAF drone was Reyaad
0:10:48 > 0:10:58Khan. The next to die was June eight Hussein. The next to die was the man
0:10:58 > 0:11:05known as jihadi John, hit by another drone strike. And in July this year,
0:11:05 > 0:11:11Sally Ann Jones was reportedly killed by yet another drone strike,
0:11:11 > 0:11:24reportedly with her 12-year-old son. Those targeted were in a war zone
0:11:24 > 0:11:30and considered a threat to the UK but according to Russia, all foreign
0:11:30 > 0:11:37fighters have now fled.The territory of Syria has been
0:11:37 > 0:11:44completely liberated from fighters of this terrorist organisation.But
0:11:44 > 0:11:51could 40,000 would-be jihadists from more than 100 countries really have
0:11:51 > 0:11:54vanished so quickly? Whatever the case, some have little sympathy for
0:11:54 > 0:11:59those targeted up until now.British courts have tended latterly to take
0:11:59 > 0:12:05the bee that anybody who goes overseas and receives military
0:12:05 > 0:12:09training from a group like Al-Qaeda or Islamic State is, by definition,
0:12:09 > 0:12:16guilty of terrorism. Well, those who are engaged in combat operations
0:12:16 > 0:12:24are, I think, legitimately vulnerable to military attacks and
0:12:24 > 0:12:31we have seen cases where that has happened. In some cases, targeted
0:12:31 > 0:12:38attacks where the individual concerned is deemed to present a
0:12:38 > 0:12:48clear and present danger to the United Kingdom.This makes difficult
0:12:48 > 0:13:00listening for the parents of... He is now a captive of Kurdish fighters
0:13:00 > 0:13:05after leaving work earlier this year.In my personal case, obviously
0:13:05 > 0:13:11my own son, is he on this list? Is Gavin Williams hunting down, is he
0:13:11 > 0:13:17going to order SAS squads to hunt down and kill my only son? I would
0:13:17 > 0:13:21like him to have a trial. I would like him to stand up and account for
0:13:21 > 0:13:25what he has done and to be grilled and any evidence there is against
0:13:25 > 0:13:29him should be brought up and if he has done anything wrong, he should
0:13:29 > 0:13:35pay the price, but not to be killed by an assassin, which sounds like
0:13:35 > 0:13:38what he is advocating.Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson has not
0:13:38 > 0:13:43said people would be targeted outside of Syria and Iraq but the
0:13:43 > 0:13:47assertion that a dead terrorist can't cause any harm makes some fear
0:13:47 > 0:13:53that this could be possible. Jack bowls-mac Barber is one.Are they
0:13:53 > 0:14:00going to be hunting down the jihadi 's who have returned to the UK? Well
0:14:00 > 0:14:04they hunt down people in Leicester, Manchester and Birmingham, because
0:14:04 > 0:14:07they say their 400 returned. Are they going to liquidate them as
0:14:07 > 0:14:13well?Given that many Britons lost or destroyed their passports when
0:14:13 > 0:14:20they were there, proving they were even there, never mind if they were
0:14:20 > 0:14:23jihadi is, will not be easy.
0:14:23 > 0:14:26Richard Walton was the head of the Met Police's counter
0:14:26 > 0:14:32terrorism command from 2011 to 2015 and he's here with me now.
0:14:32 > 0:14:36Do you think Gavin Williamson changed policy this morning, or was
0:14:36 > 0:14:40he kind of just sounding like he changed policy?It certainly sounds
0:14:40 > 0:14:44it. He certainly sounded more balanced today and with hindsight,
0:14:44 > 0:14:51looking back. Alan stuffed words and more balanced than he was yesterday.
0:14:51 > 0:14:57Cashmore balanced afterwards. You must never give the impression or
0:14:57 > 0:15:00implied that killing terrorists is a first result, that is not the
0:15:00 > 0:15:05strategy of the British Government. We fight terrorism through the rule
0:15:05 > 0:15:09of law, whether that's true international law in the context of
0:15:09 > 0:15:16war, or outside that zone.And as their agreement on that? Does the
0:15:16 > 0:15:21law just get in the way, is it human rights nonsense, it is or has
0:15:21 > 0:15:26everybody signed up to the idea and has to stick to it?It has been for
0:15:26 > 0:15:30many decades and it is something the British system has learnt over
0:15:30 > 0:15:34decades, painfully sometimes the Phillies in the past. If you look in
0:15:34 > 0:15:39the last four years, there have been 22 disrupted plots against
0:15:39 > 0:15:44terrorists in the UK, disrupted the route evidence collated and
0:15:44 > 0:15:48convictions achieved. The way to defeat terrorism, as declared by the
0:15:48 > 0:15:52Government's strategy, is through the rule of law.When he said, we
0:15:52 > 0:15:55should do everything we can to destroy and eliminate that threat,
0:15:55 > 0:16:02it sounds quite tough. But that is not advocating anything illegal as
0:16:02 > 0:16:07such?It is not, it is just the language.Everything we can means
0:16:07 > 0:16:10everything in the law?It is the impression with words like
0:16:10 > 0:16:15eliminate. That is the problem. That is perhaps with hindsight where he
0:16:15 > 0:16:20is likely moderating his position. Your position is that he was sort of
0:16:20 > 0:16:24showing off and playing to the crowd rather than advocating this?I think
0:16:24 > 0:16:29his words yesterday was slightly imbalanced, speaking as the
0:16:29 > 0:16:32Secretary of State for Defence and not the Home Secretary or Foreign
0:16:32 > 0:16:37Secretary might have a different view.What is the right policy? We
0:16:37 > 0:16:43cannot kill everybody out there, they'll not a bit of war, it is not
0:16:43 > 0:16:47legal, we cannot do it, what is correct?We have a strategy that is
0:16:47 > 0:16:50envied around the world. We are renowned for convicting terrorists
0:16:50 > 0:16:55and have convicted hundreds in the UK. And many returning from war
0:16:55 > 0:17:03zones. The best case in recent times was a man fighting in Raqqa and he
0:17:03 > 0:17:06came back into the country and was identified and convicted with
0:17:06 > 0:17:11evidence from his phone and the postings on Facebook. So it can be
0:17:11 > 0:17:17done through the rule of law. That is our objective. The objective of
0:17:17 > 0:17:20the strategy is to convicted terrorists and that is the way to
0:17:20 > 0:17:25improve confidence in the public. We do not lower ourselves to the level
0:17:25 > 0:17:29of the terrorist.Max Hill, the Government official, a QC and
0:17:29 > 0:17:34independent review of terrorist legislation, he has taken a softer
0:17:34 > 0:17:39sounding line and say sometimes you have the make allowances for the
0:17:39 > 0:17:42young and naive. I think he feels there is resumption for some of
0:17:42 > 0:17:47those who went out there and were brainwashed and misguided --
0:17:47 > 0:17:50redemption.I think you said, we need to provide space to divert
0:17:50 > 0:17:55those returning away from the criminal justice system. On that
0:17:55 > 0:18:03point, I don't agree. I believe that we should pursue, we have evidence
0:18:03 > 0:18:06against those for terrorist offences and it should be pursued through the
0:18:06 > 0:18:11court. It is for a judge to decide about leniency or sentencing and not
0:18:11 > 0:18:14the police and intelligence agencies, it is their job to gather
0:18:14 > 0:18:16intelligence and evidence and convicted terrorist through the rule
0:18:16 > 0:18:20of law.He would put them all through the courts first and then if
0:18:20 > 0:18:25a judge feels there is hope of redemption...This is not possession
0:18:25 > 0:18:28of cannabis, it is terrorist offences. I do not distinguish
0:18:28 > 0:18:38between the morgue serious offences and the lesser offences within the
0:18:38 > 0:18:43terrorism portfolio -- the more serious. I don't believe there is
0:18:43 > 0:18:48discretion to say we should divert, if there is evidence, I fancy should
0:18:48 > 0:18:54be prosecuted and convicted. There is plenty of time to be
0:18:54 > 0:18:57rehabilitated in young offenders institutes and in prisons and have
0:18:57 > 0:19:02energy into that and I believe in rebuild attention of offenders, but
0:19:02 > 0:19:06we should not exercise discretion if there is evidence of offences, we
0:19:06 > 0:19:09should prosecute. That is the position of the British Government
0:19:09 > 0:19:13and the strategy of the British Government in terms of fighting
0:19:13 > 0:19:18terrorism and we pursued it for many years. It is sensible and we should
0:19:18 > 0:19:24continue pursuing it.Thanks very much indeed. Brexit now.
0:19:24 > 0:19:27For people working in TV, the phrase "regional opt-out" is how
0:19:27 > 0:19:30you refer to the bit where the local news comes on, after
0:19:30 > 0:19:31the national bulletin.
0:19:31 > 0:19:33But maybe it has a Brexit connotation too.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35For example, the fishing industry has asked for the Humber ports
0:19:35 > 0:19:37to have a special free-trade status.
0:19:37 > 0:19:39We've seen Nicola Sturgeon suggest Scotland should have a national
0:19:39 > 0:19:41opt-out from any hard UK Brexit.
0:19:41 > 0:19:44The Mayor of London wants something similar, and has already toyed
0:19:44 > 0:19:49with the suggestion of a special London immigration policy.
0:19:49 > 0:19:50Can this work?
0:19:50 > 0:19:53Can we have a "pick-and-choose" Brexit, treating different parts
0:19:53 > 0:19:56of the UK differently?
0:19:56 > 0:19:59Well, as the big diplomacy continues, our business editor -
0:19:59 > 0:20:02Helen Thomas - has been in Newquay in Cornwall, which has particular
0:20:02 > 0:20:04worries about how its farms may be affected by restrictions
0:20:04 > 0:20:09on migration, and which wants a special deal.
0:20:12 > 0:20:15As the UK prepares to put clear water between us and the EU,
0:20:15 > 0:20:18what should come next?
0:20:18 > 0:20:22The end of free movement means the end of easy access
0:20:22 > 0:20:25to European workers.
0:20:25 > 0:20:29Could that leave some parts of the country feeling rather empty?
0:20:29 > 0:20:33It may look quiet but, actually, Cornwall's economy relies on migrant
0:20:33 > 0:20:36workers year-round - in big sectors like food
0:20:36 > 0:20:38and tourism and in care.
0:20:38 > 0:20:42Then there's the seasonal workforce.
0:20:42 > 0:20:44The vast majority of workers on fruit and flower farms
0:20:44 > 0:20:48round here come from the EU.
0:20:48 > 0:20:51It's why the county's asking for special regional concession.
0:20:51 > 0:20:56We think that Cornwall knows Cornwall best.
0:20:56 > 0:20:58But certainly, in this area, Cornwall's traditional industries
0:20:58 > 0:21:02could be devastated at the stroke of a pen if we don't get the right
0:21:02 > 0:21:03sort of deal coming out of Brexit.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06And that's my real fear.
0:21:06 > 0:21:10The Headland Hotel opened for business in 1900.
0:21:10 > 0:21:12It's played host to royalty, the RAF in World War II,
0:21:12 > 0:21:19and now to some of the four million visitors to Cornwall each year.
0:21:19 > 0:21:22About 40% of its staff come from the EU, but finding them
0:21:22 > 0:21:32and holding onto them is getting harder.
0:21:32 > 0:21:34Often, our teams have friends and have family that
0:21:34 > 0:21:36would like to come over and improve their lives really.
0:21:36 > 0:21:40They almost recruit each other.
0:21:40 > 0:21:43But we have, in the last sort of three or four months,
0:21:43 > 0:21:47seen very much a downturn in that.
0:21:47 > 0:21:51Or we've seen what would be EU staff go home, instead of it just
0:21:51 > 0:21:53being for Christmas or just being for a family
0:21:53 > 0:21:54occasion, a wedding.
0:21:54 > 0:21:57They've just decided not to come back.
0:21:57 > 0:22:01Serving up local produce is a source of Cornish pride.
0:22:01 > 0:22:03Food, agriculture and fisheries account for about a third
0:22:03 > 0:22:09of the county's employment.
0:22:09 > 0:22:12Other countries, like Canada, use regional visas to help attract
0:22:12 > 0:22:20workers to less populated places.
0:22:20 > 0:22:22A similar system here is something that could prove more flexible
0:22:22 > 0:22:23and tailored than the alternatives.
0:22:23 > 0:22:26We're saying a place-based scheme - recognising either Cornwall
0:22:26 > 0:22:29or the South-West as a whole - would be a far better way than doing
0:22:29 > 0:22:31it, than trying to do it sector by sector.
0:22:31 > 0:22:34I think it gets very difficult if you try and pigeonhole different
0:22:34 > 0:22:36industries into areas and into perhaps months
0:22:36 > 0:22:38of the year, and it just simply doesn't work like that.
0:22:38 > 0:22:41Get one crop out of them, then throw the whole lot away...
0:22:41 > 0:22:45Jeremy Best owns this strawberry farm.
0:22:45 > 0:22:47In summer, workers from the Czech Republic pick fruit here,
0:22:47 > 0:22:50some returning year after year.
0:22:50 > 0:22:53The UK doesn't have a visa scheme for unskilled workers,
0:22:53 > 0:22:57and it's a description he objects to.
0:22:57 > 0:23:00You try and do the hand-eye coordination to pick several kilos
0:23:00 > 0:23:02per minute, you know.
0:23:02 > 0:23:04Literally going very, very hard at it.
0:23:04 > 0:23:06You try and do that for nine hours a day.
0:23:06 > 0:23:11That's called motivation and that's a skill.
0:23:11 > 0:23:14The other side of it is, these people get on an aeroplane to come
0:23:14 > 0:23:16here, so they want to come here.
0:23:16 > 0:23:19In other words, I really don't want a group of people working for me
0:23:19 > 0:23:21who don't want to work here.
0:23:21 > 0:23:23Over the nation, there are about 85,000 people coming
0:23:23 > 0:23:29from other EU countries to work here.
0:23:29 > 0:23:33Are we are going to find those 85,000 people from the local
0:23:33 > 0:23:35population, from other parts of Britain, when we've only
0:23:35 > 0:23:36got 4% unemployment?
0:23:36 > 0:23:37I don't think so.
0:23:37 > 0:23:40Of course, Cornwall isn't alone in wanting a home-grown deal.
0:23:40 > 0:23:41London and Scotland both want to take control
0:23:41 > 0:23:44of their own visa system.
0:23:44 > 0:23:47And places like the North East are also considering if thresholds
0:23:47 > 0:23:52and definitions set in Westminster will really fit their local economy.
0:23:52 > 0:23:54To get a skilled worker visa currently requires
0:23:54 > 0:23:56a salary of about £30,000.
0:23:56 > 0:24:03The average salary in Cornwall is 17,500.
0:24:08 > 0:24:15Cornish hospitality, Cornish strawberries, Cornish cream.
0:24:15 > 0:24:18Smaller businesses are less likely to employ overseas workers,
0:24:18 > 0:24:22and some like to be local.
0:24:22 > 0:24:27I think we've always had plenty of people to work.
0:24:27 > 0:24:30Erm, foreign people coming in.
0:24:30 > 0:24:32We've had two girls at one time with us.
0:24:32 > 0:24:33They were marvellous.
0:24:33 > 0:24:35But we've got marvellous staff in the kitchen now
0:24:35 > 0:24:39and they're all local.
0:24:39 > 0:24:41So I don't see a problem at all.
0:24:41 > 0:24:42No, they're very hard-working, conscientious.
0:24:42 > 0:24:43Yes.
0:24:43 > 0:24:45And they really enjoy it.
0:24:45 > 0:24:49Others do think Cornwall's economy has particular needs,
0:24:49 > 0:24:52but would prefer a different solution - one drawn up 230 miles
0:24:52 > 0:24:54away, in Westminster.
0:24:54 > 0:24:56I would prefer to see some sector deals done that are national,
0:24:56 > 0:25:01but very specific to the different sectors of our economy.
0:25:01 > 0:25:05I think we can make Cornwall's case within that.
0:25:05 > 0:25:09And the minute we start breaking the country up and every different
0:25:09 > 0:25:12region wanting its own bespoke scheme on immigration,
0:25:12 > 0:25:15I think it will become far too complex and then potentially more
0:25:15 > 0:25:17open to abuse.
0:25:17 > 0:25:20Cornwall voted to leave the EU but, Leave or Remain, everyone
0:25:20 > 0:25:24still wants a system that works.
0:25:24 > 0:25:27I think we have an urban-based government, we're a very rural
0:25:27 > 0:25:35county, and I don't think the two match up very well.
0:25:35 > 0:25:38So maybe we will be put on the backwater a little bit
0:25:38 > 0:25:42and the MPs will only see us two weeks a year when they go to Rock
0:25:42 > 0:25:44on their summer holiday.
0:25:44 > 0:25:50The trouble is, every sector, every region thinks it has a special case.
0:25:50 > 0:25:58Talks in Brussels aren't the only complex negotiations ahead.
0:25:58 > 0:25:59Helen Thomas.
0:25:59 > 0:26:00Helen Thomas.
0:26:00 > 0:26:02Tomorrow, the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman
0:26:02 > 0:26:04will publish a report into the treatment at the hands
0:26:04 > 0:26:06of the NHS of a 19-year-old woman back in 2012.
0:26:06 > 0:26:11Averil Hart was suffering from anorexia and was very underweight.
0:26:11 > 0:26:15She had spent almost a year as an in-patient
0:26:15 > 0:26:17in an Eating Disorders Unit, but had been discharged,
0:26:17 > 0:26:19as she was about to go to college.
0:26:19 > 0:26:22And then, five years ago today, she collapsed in her room
0:26:22 > 0:26:27at university, just as she was due to undergo a medical review.
0:26:27 > 0:26:33She died eight days later.
0:26:33 > 0:26:38Her father, Nic, tonight told us about his daughter.
0:26:38 > 0:26:40Well, Averil was an amazing daughter.
0:26:40 > 0:26:41Wonderful person to be around.
0:26:41 > 0:26:45She was really outgoing.
0:26:45 > 0:26:52Erm, loved sports, but loved literature.
0:26:52 > 0:26:58And, erm, just a good, fun girl to have in the family.
0:26:58 > 0:27:02And, as parents, we were incredibly proud of her and loved her to bits.
0:27:02 > 0:27:03Nic Ward there.
0:27:03 > 0:27:05He levelled a complaint against four different NHS organisations,
0:27:05 > 0:27:09for the way they had cared or treated for Averil right
0:27:09 > 0:27:12to the very end of her life, and tomorrow's report is the result.
0:27:12 > 0:27:15It's expected to find that all those organisations did
0:27:15 > 0:27:19fail her in some way and that her death was avoidable.
0:27:19 > 0:27:22And that adult eating disorders should be treated as thoroughly
0:27:22 > 0:27:28as adolescent problems are.
0:27:28 > 0:27:33I'm joined by the author and mental health campaigner Hope Virgo,
0:27:33 > 0:27:35graduate Lucy Pearce, and Joanna Silver -
0:27:35 > 0:27:40Lead Therapist for Eating Disorders at Nightingale Hospital.
0:27:40 > 0:27:48Good evening. Joanne, just explain what anorexia is.Anorexia is a
0:27:48 > 0:27:53mental health illness and patients with anorexia will restrict their
0:27:53 > 0:28:00eating and maintain a lower than normal weight.So it has a physical
0:28:00 > 0:28:03manifestation, but it should entirely be seen as a mental health
0:28:03 > 0:28:08problem?Absolutely, while on the surface anorexia looks about food,
0:28:08 > 0:28:13it is a way of expressing or avoiding feelings. It is a very
0:28:13 > 0:28:19serious illness that can have very serious fracture.How common is it
0:28:19 > 0:28:22in a different age groups, what is the difference between adult
0:28:22 > 0:28:27incidences and teenage or younger? It is primarily found within
0:28:27 > 0:28:34teenagers and younger adults. But it is much more common in adults and
0:28:34 > 0:28:40even older adults than perhaps one realises.You have both been dealing
0:28:40 > 0:28:46with or have dealt with this. Tell us a little about your experience.
0:28:46 > 0:28:52Lucy, you'll started before you were a teenager.I started suffering from
0:28:52 > 0:28:58anorexia when I was about 11. It was not diagnosed or dealt with until
0:28:58 > 0:29:0313. And then I received some treatment until about 15, 16. But
0:29:03 > 0:29:06treatment is trailed off and was never really followed up and was not
0:29:06 > 0:29:10as helpful as I found it could have been and I recovered when I was
0:29:10 > 0:29:13about 19.It was really your entire teenage years absorbed with that.
0:29:13 > 0:29:19How about you?I developed it when I was around 13 and I live with it
0:29:19 > 0:29:26until 17. I hid it from friends, family, everyone. You hit it for
0:29:26 > 0:29:29that time? I don't think people really understood anorexia when I
0:29:29 > 0:29:35was younger.You must have been losing DUP three, did people say you
0:29:35 > 0:29:39are looking too thin?People notice my body weight but I got good at
0:29:39 > 0:29:43hiding it and I would cause scenes at family eating times to avoid
0:29:43 > 0:29:48eating. When I was 17, I was admitted to a mental health hospital
0:29:48 > 0:29:52because my heart nearly stopped and I spent a year getting intensive.In
0:29:52 > 0:29:57patient.
0:29:57 > 0:30:02You have had an experience of it as an adult, because you are in your
0:30:02 > 0:30:0720s now?Yes, about a year and a half ago I relapsed again. My
0:30:07 > 0:30:10grandma passed away and I found it difficult to deal with the grief and
0:30:10 > 0:30:14the emotion that came with it and my way of coping with it, for some
0:30:14 > 0:30:18reason I went back to that anorexia but the most frustrating thing was
0:30:18 > 0:30:22that I knew what was happening and I knew that I could get really sick
0:30:22 > 0:30:27again and it would be easy to but I didn't want to. So I referred myself
0:30:27 > 0:30:31to the mental health hospital where I live in Wandsworth but I wasn't
0:30:31 > 0:30:37under way so I got sent away and had to kind of deal with it on my own.
0:30:37 > 0:30:41And the adult experience, apart from the treatment which we will come to,
0:30:41 > 0:30:46the feeling of anorexia as a young adult, the same as a teenager or
0:30:46 > 0:30:50does it manifest in a different way at all?I think it's similar. I
0:30:50 > 0:30:54think what I found frustrating for me is when people look at anorexics,
0:30:54 > 0:30:58they assume they will be really, really skinny, bony, but you can
0:30:58 > 0:31:03have an eating disorder and not be really underweight. You have that
0:31:03 > 0:31:07anorexic mindset and that is just as dangerous for you as being really
0:31:07 > 0:31:12skinny.Lucy, can you do anything to explain to people, because most
0:31:12 > 0:31:17people are not anorexic, so it's very difficult to explain what the
0:31:17 > 0:31:21mindset is. Is it possible to describe?I guess it would be the
0:31:21 > 0:31:25same kind of thing, almost trying to control your emotions through the
0:31:25 > 0:31:32way you eat. For me, it was very much controlling my life through
0:31:32 > 0:31:35controlling my food, when I couldn't control anything else around me. You
0:31:35 > 0:31:40get into a strict mindset where you think about yourself and it's
0:31:40 > 0:31:43completely different to how everybody else views you and what
0:31:43 > 0:31:47everybody else sees but you don't really be that. It's also about
0:31:47 > 0:31:51lying to people about it, keeping it hidden from other people and you
0:31:51 > 0:31:54almost keep it hidden from yourself as well without realising, I think,
0:31:54 > 0:31:59because you don't admit it to yourself.Joanna, why do we think,
0:31:59 > 0:32:08clearly a lot of teenagers recover from it in adulthood. What is
0:32:08 > 0:32:12difference between those who have it in teenager had and those who
0:32:12 > 0:32:18outgrow it, for want of a better phrase?I think something important
0:32:18 > 0:32:21to emphasise his early intervention. Someone with an eating disorder for
0:32:21 > 0:32:25a long time and become harder to treat as the disease becomes more
0:32:25 > 0:32:30entrenched. I think early intervention is really important and
0:32:30 > 0:32:34also openness. People who have had support, people asking them how they
0:32:34 > 0:32:39are doing. Not just... Obviously weight is vital to focus on and we
0:32:39 > 0:32:45must think about the risk, but it can't just be about their weight, it
0:32:45 > 0:32:49must be about what is going on for this person at this moment in time.
0:32:49 > 0:32:52So support can be the difference between recovering earlier and it
0:32:52 > 0:32:57carrying on.Hope, your experience of adult treatment wasn't
0:32:57 > 0:33:06particularly...It was appalling. But was it worse, is it appalling
0:33:06 > 0:33:11for teenagers as well or would you say it deteriorates?I think it
0:33:11 > 0:33:14deteriorates as you are an adult. I think there's potentially less money
0:33:14 > 0:33:18going into it and people don't understand it as much. I think often
0:33:18 > 0:33:22with eating disorders people think it's a phase you go through and that
0:33:22 > 0:33:26you should just eat and it's not as easy as that. As an adult, I think
0:33:26 > 0:33:30people don't have as much time for you if you have an eating disorder.
0:33:30 > 0:33:34They know teenagers go through things and they expect you to sort
0:33:34 > 0:33:42it out as an adult? What is the therapy that works, particularly for
0:33:42 > 0:33:47adults?In terms of therapy, the therapy we tend to use is cognitive
0:33:47 > 0:33:53behaviour therapy for eating disorders. That would be looking at
0:33:53 > 0:33:56a person's relationship with food and also what might be underlying
0:33:56 > 0:34:03the eating disorder. Also, looking at the family can be very important
0:34:03 > 0:34:08and there is more and more, at the moment, about involving carers in
0:34:08 > 0:34:12treatment and thinking about how carers can be supportive and helpful
0:34:12 > 0:34:17in helping the sufferer recover.All of you, we have this report coming
0:34:17 > 0:34:20out tomorrow which appears to show the adult treatment is not good
0:34:20 > 0:34:25enough and not on a par with adolescent treatment. What does the
0:34:25 > 0:34:31NHS need to do to change? Is it just a case of more people? Doctors who
0:34:31 > 0:34:36have more experience? What would you change, Lucy?I really think it's
0:34:36 > 0:34:40the way people approach it and think about it. I would have a different
0:34:40 > 0:34:46way of people understanding it. I found with my experience, they
0:34:46 > 0:34:51didn't really seem to know what you are going through or how to help you
0:34:51 > 0:34:55or how to approach you. I think it would be really helpful to have
0:34:55 > 0:35:00specific clinics almost that are more experienced in these things.
0:35:00 > 0:35:05Yes, I think GPs may be need to be looking for it a bit more. Eating
0:35:05 > 0:35:09disorders can be very secretive. There is a lot of shame about having
0:35:09 > 0:35:12an eating disorder. Someone might come to a GP with physical symptoms,
0:35:12 > 0:35:17complaining of stomach pains and it may actually be that an eating
0:35:17 > 0:35:21disorder is going on. I think GPs need to be on it, early
0:35:21 > 0:35:27intervention, referring when necessary.I was going to say, also,
0:35:27 > 0:35:34when people leave treatment at 18, there is a bit of a dip. I didn't
0:35:34 > 0:35:39get support when I left hospital and I had been promised it as an
0:35:39 > 0:35:41outpatient in adult services and there needs to be something going
0:35:41 > 0:35:47on.A seamless transition. Thank you all for sharing your stories.
0:35:47 > 0:35:49For details of organisations which offer advice and support
0:35:49 > 0:35:54with eating disorders, go online to bbc.co.uk/actionline.
0:35:58 > 0:36:01The EU may have told Britain that it is no longer eligible
0:36:01 > 0:36:04to have a European Capital of Culture after Brexit,
0:36:04 > 0:36:07but we can still have our own UK City of Culture -
0:36:07 > 0:36:10and, tonight, the 2021 city was announced.
0:36:10 > 0:36:14Hull enjoys the title at the moment, but on the One Show this evening,
0:36:14 > 0:36:17we heard who shall be taking over.
0:36:18 > 0:36:20And the winner is...
0:36:20 > 0:36:22Coventry!
0:36:22 > 0:36:32APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
0:36:35 > 0:36:36Four other cities were in the running,
0:36:36 > 0:36:39so commiserations to Swansea, Stoke-upon-Trent,
0:36:39 > 0:36:41Sunderland and Paisley - which I think is, strictly
0:36:41 > 0:36:42speaking, a town.
0:36:42 > 0:36:49But let's not focus on the runners-up.
0:36:49 > 0:36:56Pauline Black, author and lead singer of the band the selector
0:36:56 > 0:37:04backed her city's bid. Do you think this is a big night for Coventry?It
0:37:04 > 0:37:12is a superb night for Coventry. I was there in 2015, talking to people
0:37:12 > 0:37:16really early on and David Burbage was one of the people at the
0:37:16 > 0:37:19forefront of getting this whole thing together and tonight to be at
0:37:19 > 0:37:24the Belgrade Theatre here in Coventry and just, you know, that
0:37:24 > 0:37:29wonderful role when it came up that we had won the bid was tremendous.
0:37:29 > 0:37:34Is everybody in Coventry on board or is it a small clique of those who
0:37:34 > 0:37:39have applied? How big a deal is this for the normal person?Well, it is
0:37:39 > 0:37:44very cold at the moment here in Coventry. I am down by the cathedral
0:37:44 > 0:37:48and it's pretty deserted at the moment. But definitely people have
0:37:48 > 0:37:52been out celebrating in pubs and places, out on the street, and just
0:37:52 > 0:37:57generally everyone turns up and congratulate each other and things
0:37:57 > 0:38:01like this. So I think it's something which will grow. There's always an
0:38:01 > 0:38:06element of people who are quite suspicious about these things, they
0:38:06 > 0:38:10think, what's it going to default me? But I think this is something
0:38:10 > 0:38:16everybody can get on board with. I've been to hold quite recently and
0:38:16 > 0:38:20seen what happened there and I think something very, very similar can
0:38:20 > 0:38:23happen in Coventry. There are so many good things that happen in
0:38:23 > 0:38:28Coventry anyway, quite apart from anything else.Give us an example.
0:38:28 > 0:38:32We have one of the largest free family festivals with huge bounce
0:38:32 > 0:38:40coming here every year, the Godiva Festival, for one thing. Across the
0:38:40 > 0:38:44city, always, there is so much diversity here. People getting
0:38:44 > 0:38:48involved in other peoples cultures, things like this. That's what it's
0:38:48 > 0:38:55all about. It's not just the UK City of Culture these days, I consider it
0:38:55 > 0:39:00the UK city of multiculturalism and Coventry is the bearer of that sign.
0:39:00 > 0:39:06I suppose in cultural terms, what is this about? Taking a city that has
0:39:06 > 0:39:10great culture and rewarding mat or trying to promote culture in a city
0:39:10 > 0:39:18that needs more? Does Coventry need more culture? Is that what is about?
0:39:18 > 0:39:21No, I think it's about promoting what we do have two the rest of the
0:39:21 > 0:39:27country and the rest of the world. It's something which is intrinsic to
0:39:27 > 0:39:33Coventry but people don't know about it. This old adage of being sent to
0:39:33 > 0:39:37Coventry. Now you can get sent to Coventry and really feel you are
0:39:37 > 0:39:41going to be involved in something and people will see things.Pauline,
0:39:41 > 0:39:47talus what success feels like. If this goes well, how will we know?
0:39:47 > 0:39:55What will it look like?I think we will know it has gone well when we
0:39:55 > 0:40:00have inward investment, that is certainly part of it, of businesses.
0:40:00 > 0:40:06Money coming into the city to fund other projects, young people's
0:40:06 > 0:40:12projects in particular. That is what I'm the greatest fan of. And also
0:40:12 > 0:40:18the whole kind of history that Coventry has of reinvention, of
0:40:18 > 0:40:22reconciliation, of peace, all of those kinds of things. I mean, I am
0:40:22 > 0:40:28standing in front of one of the greatest symbols Coventry, I guess,
0:40:28 > 0:40:31the Coventry Cathedral, which was bombed during the Second World War
0:40:31 > 0:40:36and there's the old and they knew and if anything embodies Coventry
0:40:36 > 0:40:40and the Coventry spirit, I consider it to be that.You have sold it
0:40:40 > 0:40:44well. Pauline, good luck and congratulations.Thanks very much.
0:40:44 > 0:40:48Thank you very much.
0:40:48 > 0:40:51That's about it from us, but before we go, we've just been
0:40:51 > 0:40:53talking about Coventry's artistic and cultural legacy,
0:40:53 > 0:40:58now let's actually hear it.
0:40:58 > 0:41:00Here's Coventry's The Specials, with Ghost Town -
0:41:00 > 0:41:02which Coventry obviously now isn't!
0:41:02 > 0:41:03Goodnight.
0:41:03 > 0:41:08# This town, is coming like a ghost town
0:41:08 > 0:41:13# All the clubs have been closed down
0:41:14 > 0:41:19# This place, is coming like a ghost town
0:41:20 > 0:41:25# Bands won't play no more
0:41:25 > 0:41:28# Too much fighting on the dance floor