0:00:02 > 0:00:03Britain versus Russia.
0:00:03 > 0:00:04Who's winning?
0:00:04 > 0:00:05Are we even competing?
0:00:05 > 0:00:11What game is Putin playing?
0:00:11 > 0:00:12A Russian intelligence chief has accused
0:00:12 > 0:00:15Theresa May of "childlike naivete and incompetence".
0:00:15 > 0:00:18A diplomatic conflict that is deadly serious, but
0:00:18 > 0:00:21with a dash of playground name-calling.
0:00:21 > 0:00:23This Russia watcher thinks Putin is getting exactly what he wants.
0:00:23 > 0:00:28We will ask if he's right.
0:00:28 > 0:00:31Also tonight, for years we've welcomed Russians to London,
0:00:31 > 0:00:33including friends of Putin.
0:00:33 > 0:00:41What is it that first attracted us to the oligarch billionaires?
0:00:44 > 0:00:47The Romans when British establishment types can get cosy
0:00:47 > 0:00:55with Russian money, and that means that they could be just 2 degrees of
0:00:55 > 0:01:00separation from the master of the Kremlin himself, Vladimir Putin.
0:01:00 > 0:01:03And, if leaders are forged in times of crisis, how have our leaders
0:01:03 > 0:01:06dealt with events this week?
0:01:16 > 0:01:18Hello, another Russian, no friend of Putin, another
0:01:18 > 0:01:19murder investigation.
0:01:19 > 0:01:21It has taken a few days, but the death
0:01:21 > 0:01:23of Nikolae Glushkov, who was
0:01:23 > 0:01:25found on Monday, is now being investigated as a murder.
0:01:25 > 0:01:27Very quickly after he was found, reports
0:01:27 > 0:01:30emerged that he had been strangled and death by compression to the neck
0:01:30 > 0:01:33is what the police themselves are now saying occurred.
0:01:33 > 0:01:37It's just something else to heat up a row that
0:01:37 > 0:01:45has led to a new chill in relations between East and West.
0:01:45 > 0:01:47Now in relation to the nerve agent used
0:01:47 > 0:01:49in Salisbury the British have today invited
0:01:49 > 0:01:51the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons,
0:01:51 > 0:01:54to come to the UK to take a sample under article eight
0:01:54 > 0:01:57of the Chemical Weapons Convention.
0:01:57 > 0:01:59The OPCW have expressed their willingness
0:01:59 > 0:02:00to support the investigation.
0:02:00 > 0:02:05I'm with our diplomatic editor, Mark Urban.
0:02:05 > 0:02:15Nikolae Glushkov. We have known for days that he died.That is the main
0:02:15 > 0:02:19point today I think that police are saying it is now a murder inquiry.
0:02:19 > 0:02:28They said they haven't established any link with the case of the
0:02:28 > 0:02:32Skripals, but people will inevitably now see this as another potential
0:02:32 > 0:02:39killing of an opponent in London. Let's go back to Salisbury. There is
0:02:39 > 0:02:50very little else to say at this point. Back to Salisbury.
0:02:50 > 0:02:55point. Back to Salisbury. What do you think about how this nerve agent
0:02:55 > 0:02:59was him to be their?This is creeping forward incrementally. On
0:02:59 > 0:03:07Monday I spoke about one of the Novichok agents, A234 and the
0:03:07 > 0:03:11possibility eight had been released into a car. Today we heard the
0:03:11 > 0:03:18Russian ambassador of being quoted by TASS, saying that this was indeed
0:03:18 > 0:03:24the agent ever talking about any Salisbury context. We also saw today
0:03:24 > 0:03:31the car of Mr Skripal being removed from the tow truck yard where it had
0:03:31 > 0:03:35been since it happened and taken away. It had been in on air pretend
0:03:35 > 0:03:41there to try to contain any contamination. -- and air proof
0:03:41 > 0:03:46tent. Police are still saying officially that they still don't
0:03:46 > 0:03:50know it was the car when the poison was released but there was a
0:03:50 > 0:03:53tremendous amount of emphasis on the car. I don't believe they found
0:03:53 > 0:03:57contamination in the home which would tend to undermine the suitcase
0:03:57 > 0:04:03and various other theories.
0:04:04 > 0:04:06and various other theories. It has not been subject to that. And people
0:04:06 > 0:04:09are not saying that there is contamination in the home so that is
0:04:09 > 0:04:12why it goes back to one o'clock on that day when they are believed to
0:04:12 > 0:04:16have got in the car. That was the real period of danger that the
0:04:16 > 0:04:23police are looking at.
0:04:23 > 0:04:27police are looking at.And they are looking to try and get the OPCW
0:04:27 > 0:04:31involved now.That is the international watchdog, the UN, the
0:04:31 > 0:04:36monitoring and enforcement council. And a few things have come out. They
0:04:36 > 0:04:39have put out a statement saying that they are looking into these Novichok
0:04:39 > 0:04:44agents. So there are confirmation that they know these things exist
0:04:44 > 0:04:50and that they are modelling up on them but most stocks were declared
0:04:50 > 0:04:55to have been destroyed so that has to be seen in the context of Russia
0:04:55 > 0:05:00when OPCW certified that they had destroyed all of their chemical
0:05:00 > 0:05:06weapons and nobody ever said that they had Novichok and some Russian
0:05:06 > 0:05:10officials have said that was not included in that early 90s chemical
0:05:10 > 0:05:14weapons Convention but the OPCW said that today this is a real chemical
0:05:14 > 0:05:20weapons that we consider to be banned by the terms of this key
0:05:20 > 0:05:23treaty.
0:05:23 > 0:05:25Urban, throughout this week Russia has given the impression of somewhat
0:05:25 > 0:05:27enjoying Britain's indignation as to what has happened.
0:05:27 > 0:05:32So what is the game Russia is playing?
0:05:32 > 0:05:35It seems to be more than just deterring would be
0:05:35 > 0:05:36double agents.
0:05:36 > 0:05:38Some would say he is just goading us, whilst Theresa May
0:05:38 > 0:05:40is trying to look not goaded.
0:05:40 > 0:05:41So who's winning?
0:05:41 > 0:05:43I'm joined by an security expert and Russia watcher
0:05:43 > 0:05:45Edward Lucas, and Kori Schake, former adviser to the US Pentagon
0:05:45 > 0:05:48and National Security Council.
0:05:48 > 0:05:50Both are in no doubt the Russians are
0:05:50 > 0:05:56behind the Salisbury attack.
0:05:56 > 0:06:01We are talking about what their objectives would be. You think Putin
0:06:01 > 0:06:10is working to some sort of game plan? What is he trying to achieve?
0:06:11 > 0:06:16Why is it that it was at the end of the election campaign, painting the
0:06:16 > 0:06:23outside world out to get Russia, the West misbehaving. And the idea of
0:06:23 > 0:06:26these efficient Russian spy killer is going round the world bumping
0:06:26 > 0:06:36people off. He also likes Britain's isolation at a time when it has
0:06:36 > 0:06:41difficult relations with Europe and with America and Trump because of
0:06:41 > 0:06:51Brexit. But of course what you ought to be implying as a result of this
0:06:51 > 0:06:55is to cut off the City of London, the property market and financial
0:06:55 > 0:06:59system generally to dirty Russian money and that is something they
0:06:59 > 0:07:08don't want to do, because...So this political model that Britain is
0:07:08 > 0:07:18following, are they enjoying it by the sound of it?I think
0:07:18 > 0:07:26particularly Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary and Gavin
0:07:26 > 0:07:30Williamson 's coming out with ease from a sententious things, of the
0:07:30 > 0:07:34worst we can do if we we have had a chemical weapons attack on our soil
0:07:34 > 0:07:38was to push out press releases and make statements either on our own
0:07:38 > 0:07:44with our allies...
0:07:47 > 0:07:49with our allies...This is kind of about testing in Britain and those
0:07:49 > 0:07:54kinds of things.Absolutely, that is exactly right. What the Russians are
0:07:54 > 0:08:01trying to do is use our western free societies as a means of undercutting
0:08:01 > 0:08:08our societies and they have mostly succeeded.Is this to strengthen his
0:08:08 > 0:08:16power domestically? To divide and rule?I think it is both of those
0:08:16 > 0:08:25things. It is to distract domestic Russian attention from the failures
0:08:25 > 0:08:28of the Russian economy and the failures of domestic governance in
0:08:28 > 0:08:33Russia and also everywhere that they can to try and divide Western
0:08:33 > 0:08:37allies, to try and undercut the confidence that we have in our own
0:08:37 > 0:08:44governance and systems of government.Is Britain and the West
0:08:44 > 0:08:53was Mike response, is it almost plain to the, are replaying fully to
0:08:53 > 0:09:05what Putin is designing?I think clearly this is kind of a whodunnit,
0:09:05 > 0:09:11a Howard Dunnett and a wide on it and what I begin to do about it? And
0:09:11 > 0:09:16I think the government is not really going to take the sort of steps we
0:09:16 > 0:09:19need, and we don't have the lies. If we weren't really series it would
0:09:19 > 0:09:25not just be Britain throwing out 23 Russian intelligence officers. It
0:09:25 > 0:09:32would be 30, 40 allies, all of Nato and the EU collectively throwing out
0:09:32 > 0:09:35700 Russian intelligence officers. That would make an impact, that is
0:09:35 > 0:09:46what we ought to be doing.I think that free societies are slow to
0:09:46 > 0:09:55mobilise and it requires consensus. I give the British government, I
0:09:55 > 0:10:01think it was careful in how it described what was happening. It
0:10:01 > 0:10:05went to allies and institutions in the international order, it could
0:10:05 > 0:10:10not get ahead of itself. It left the Russians exit ramps if they wanted
0:10:10 > 0:10:17it and the fact that they did not take them, help Stodel.So what was
0:10:17 > 0:10:23the exit ramp that the Russians had, what was the way out?First, it was
0:10:23 > 0:10:27not described as an armed attack so it did not trigger Nato's article
0:10:27 > 0:10:33five. It gave time for the Russians to explain themselves. There were
0:10:33 > 0:10:42explanation is that the Russians could have given.And it left open
0:10:42 > 0:10:52the possibility that somehow they had lost it.President Trump was
0:10:52 > 0:10:55quicker signing responsibility to the Russians than Prime Minister me
0:10:55 > 0:11:00was.
0:11:08 > 0:11:16Maybe they are enjoying keeping is guessing. But I don't think they
0:11:16 > 0:11:22thought, let's try and back off. I think the Russian reaction may come
0:11:22 > 0:11:29at an unexpected time and be of an unexpected nature as well.There
0:11:29 > 0:11:35were
0:11:35 > 0:11:37were some name-calling. They were calling Gavin Williamson a vulgar
0:11:37 > 0:11:47old harpy.You are talking to someone who spoke to the leader of
0:11:47 > 0:11:50North Korea as rocket man. So it could be that standards are falling.
0:11:50 > 0:11:55It could be that the Russians are trying to trivialise this. And that
0:11:55 > 0:12:03Western politicians, maybe they need to understand that Russia as an
0:12:03 > 0:12:05adversary because Russia is behaving like an adverse array.We will leave
0:12:05 > 0:12:08it there.
0:12:08 > 0:12:11One question that arises out of Salisbury is whether Britain has
0:12:11 > 0:12:14been too willing to offer itself up as a comfortable home
0:12:14 > 0:12:16the very wealthy Russians, often close to President Putin.
0:12:16 > 0:12:19"Don't ask, don't tell" seems to have been the policy in regard
0:12:19 > 0:12:22to the origins of Russian wealth coming into London.
0:12:22 > 0:12:24And there has been a discernible reluctance to use that wealth
0:12:24 > 0:12:26as a diplomatic weapon.
0:12:26 > 0:12:29It's not just Russians that we have been nice to, by the way.
0:12:29 > 0:12:34Remember the London School of Economics had taken money
0:12:34 > 0:12:36from Colonel Gaddafi's son, Saif, and given him a PhD.
0:12:36 > 0:12:39If we are a soft touch, is it because some parts
0:12:39 > 0:12:41of our establishment are too easily impressed by
0:12:41 > 0:12:42the riches of foreigners?
0:12:42 > 0:12:46John Sweeney now looks at one example, the social connections
0:12:46 > 0:12:48of Russian aluminium magnate Oleg Deripaska.
0:12:48 > 0:12:50And a warning - this report starts with flashing images.
0:12:53 > 0:12:56Every summer, the haves and the have-yachts converge
0:12:56 > 0:13:01for very private holidays.
0:13:01 > 0:13:04In 2008, Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska sailed to Corfu for one.
0:13:04 > 0:13:07Lord Mandelson was there.
0:13:07 > 0:13:11So, too, was George Osborne.
0:13:11 > 0:13:13It caused a bit of a do.
0:13:13 > 0:13:17I didn't break any rules, but I think I did make a mistake,
0:13:17 > 0:13:21and I think in politics it's not just what you say or what you do,
0:13:21 > 0:13:23it's how things look, and I have to be honest,
0:13:23 > 0:13:25this didn't look very good.
0:13:25 > 0:13:26There were all guests of financier Nat Rothschild,
0:13:26 > 0:13:30who owns this villa on the island.
0:13:30 > 0:13:32What happens in Corfu stays in Corfu.
0:13:32 > 0:13:34That's the deal.
0:13:34 > 0:13:38But there was a leak.
0:13:38 > 0:13:41A newspaper was tipped off that Lord Mandelson had, allegedly,
0:13:41 > 0:13:43been "dripping pure poison about Gordon Brown
0:13:43 > 0:13:46in Osborne's ear".
0:13:46 > 0:13:50Furious at this indiscretion, Nat Rothschild revealed that Osborne
0:13:50 > 0:13:52went aboard Oleg Deripaska's yacht
0:13:52 > 0:13:57with the then Tory fundraiser, Andrew Feldman.
0:13:57 > 0:14:02Rothschild said they were soliciting a donation, something they denied.
0:14:02 > 0:14:06Bun fights like those held at Nat Rothschild's villa
0:14:06 > 0:14:08are moments when British establishment types can get cosy
0:14:08 > 0:14:14with Russian money - and, whether they know it or not,
0:14:14 > 0:14:16that means they could be just two degrees of separation
0:14:16 > 0:14:21from the master of the Kremlin himself, Vladimir Putin.
0:14:21 > 0:14:23Putin demands the loyalty of Russia's billionaires.
0:14:23 > 0:14:26There are nearly 100 of them.
0:14:26 > 0:14:29Deripaska is near the top of the list.
0:14:29 > 0:14:31He's one of the most important links between Putin
0:14:31 > 0:14:34and the British establishment.
0:14:34 > 0:14:37Through George Osborne and Tory fundraiser Andrew Feldman,
0:14:37 > 0:14:41you could say that Putin was just three degrees of separation
0:14:41 > 0:14:46from David Cameron.
0:14:46 > 0:14:48I don't think that there is necessarily espionage and blackmail.
0:14:48 > 0:14:53I think the question of what kind of friends you have is influenced
0:14:53 > 0:14:57by what you need to understand about the political
0:14:57 > 0:15:01situation in Russia - and, if you understand that
0:15:01 > 0:15:06oligarchs in Russia today are not independent people,
0:15:06 > 0:15:11and cannot hold onto their wealth without maintaining good
0:15:11 > 0:15:14relationships with Putin, then that's something that British
0:15:14 > 0:15:18politicians need to understand.
0:15:18 > 0:15:21In the case of Oleg Deripaska, the American authorities have been
0:15:21 > 0:15:23more wary than the Brits.
0:15:23 > 0:15:28The US has denied Oleg Deripaska a visa.
0:15:28 > 0:15:31Mr Deripaska made his mega-fortune in the 1990s,
0:15:31 > 0:15:35after Russia's aluminium wars, so-called because some
0:15:35 > 0:15:39proprietors were literally killing off competition.
0:15:39 > 0:15:41There is no suggestion that Mr Deripaska was involved
0:15:41 > 0:15:46in violence, but surviving in that environment was tough.
0:15:46 > 0:15:53It was very difficult.
0:15:53 > 0:15:55But I believe whatever it is.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58I can't say that I'm proud, but I believe in all that
0:15:58 > 0:16:00I did the right thing.
0:16:00 > 0:16:04Mr Deripaska told the High Court in London in 2012 that he'd been
0:16:04 > 0:16:07forced to pay protection money to a man with links
0:16:07 > 0:16:09to organised crime.
0:16:09 > 0:16:13One of Mr Deripaska's new business associates is former
0:16:13 > 0:16:17energy minister Greg - now Lord - Barker, another
0:16:17 > 0:16:19David Cameron chum.
0:16:19 > 0:16:23He's the chair of Deripaska's energy company, En+,
0:16:23 > 0:16:29which was recently allowed to list on the London Stock Exchange.
0:16:29 > 0:16:32And this week it was revealed by the Financial Times that En+
0:16:32 > 0:16:36is one of the clients of Lord Mandelson's strategic advice
0:16:36 > 0:16:40consultancy, Global Counsel.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42Global Counsel says neither Lord Mandelson nor Mr Deripaska
0:16:42 > 0:16:47are involved in this work.
0:16:47 > 0:16:50Deripaska is big news in Russia at the moment.
0:16:50 > 0:16:53Opposition politician Alexei Navalny recently released this
0:16:53 > 0:16:56documentary about him.
0:16:56 > 0:16:58It includes footage of Deripaska on his yacht, entertaining
0:16:58 > 0:17:04one of Russia's most senior government officials.
0:17:04 > 0:17:09It was filmed by an escort, 19 years old at the time.
0:17:09 > 0:17:11In London, a company run by the Home Secretary's brother,
0:17:11 > 0:17:14Roland Rudd, handled the PR for the recent stock market
0:17:14 > 0:17:19flotation of Deripaska business En+.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22I mean, I'm not in the PR business, but I think that, when one
0:17:22 > 0:17:26is the immediate family of someone in a top leadership position,
0:17:26 > 0:17:32one should be careful about what foreign professionals,
0:17:32 > 0:17:35foreign clients one has.
0:17:36 > 0:17:37Donald Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort,
0:17:37 > 0:17:41has worked for Mr Deripaska, too, something Mr Deripaska
0:17:41 > 0:17:48is not keen to talk about without an appointment.
0:17:48 > 0:17:49Get lost, please.
0:17:49 > 0:17:52Thank you.
0:17:52 > 0:17:56At Tory fundraiser the Black and White Ball, the British wives
0:17:56 > 0:18:00of oligarchs bid big money for experiences, like having dinner
0:18:00 > 0:18:04with Gavin Williamson, the Defence Secretary.
0:18:04 > 0:18:07It's clear from our research that several wealthy oligarchs close
0:18:07 > 0:18:11to Vladimir Putin have managed to cultivate members,
0:18:11 > 0:18:17whether witting or unwitting, of the British ruling elite.
0:18:17 > 0:18:20Getting involved in the art world, donating to charity,
0:18:20 > 0:18:24sponsoring academic prizes, buying shares in football clubs,
0:18:24 > 0:18:28these are the ways that Putin's cronies can become friends
0:18:28 > 0:18:31of the posh folk of London.
0:18:31 > 0:18:34But, if the businesses are legal and the stock exchange
0:18:34 > 0:18:37is happy, should we care?
0:18:37 > 0:18:39There is a danger here in smearing all Russians.
0:18:39 > 0:18:44Look, there are lots of very gifted entrepreneurs, artists,
0:18:44 > 0:18:47rebels in London today, and it would be awful
0:18:47 > 0:18:51to have a total attack on all Russians in London.
0:18:51 > 0:18:56It's wonderful that we have this expatriate Russian community.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59But political parties should be very careful,
0:18:59 > 0:19:01and government should be very careful about who it does business
0:19:01 > 0:19:03with and takes money from.
0:19:03 > 0:19:06People are saying there's a problem with Jeremy Corbyn
0:19:06 > 0:19:08and Seamus Milne's judgment about Russia.
0:19:08 > 0:19:11That's the only problem of Russian influence
0:19:11 > 0:19:13in British politics - true or false?
0:19:13 > 0:19:15False.
0:19:15 > 0:19:18It's got to be said that the Conservative Party has been
0:19:18 > 0:19:24very rash in who it's taken money from and who it's done business
0:19:24 > 0:19:28with, and of course New Labour, which is currently on the war path
0:19:28 > 0:19:34against Jeremy Corbyn, has all kinds of questions to answer.
0:19:34 > 0:19:37But Russian money has washed around the corridors of power in London
0:19:37 > 0:19:40for perhaps too long.
0:19:40 > 0:19:44The question is, will the nerve agent poisonings in Salisbury change
0:19:44 > 0:19:51anything, or will it continue to be roubles as usual?
0:19:59 > 0:20:02John Sweeney. We might pick up one or two of those themes shortly.
0:20:02 > 0:20:04The country hasn't just been talking about the Russians this week.
0:20:04 > 0:20:06We've also been talking about Jeremy Corbyn.
0:20:06 > 0:20:08The conversation has focused inwards as well as outwards.
0:20:08 > 0:20:10In a way, this isn't surprising.
0:20:10 > 0:20:11The Salisbury attack has been another chance,
0:20:11 > 0:20:14on top of the ample opportunities provided by Brexit, to debate
0:20:14 > 0:20:16Britain's relationship to the rest of the world -
0:20:16 > 0:20:19not just to Russia itself, but to Trump, the US
0:20:19 > 0:20:21and other allies - and the chance to ask how powerful,
0:20:21 > 0:20:24how trustworthy and how grown-up we are in dealing with these things.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27It is easy for the right to benefit at times of external threat.
0:20:27 > 0:20:29And the polling backs that up on this occasion.
0:20:29 > 0:20:32If we look at the YouGov polling on whether Theresa May has responded
0:20:32 > 0:20:36well or badly to the poisoning, most people think she
0:20:36 > 0:20:39has handled it well - two to one in favour,
0:20:39 > 0:20:41with quite a few don't knows.
0:20:41 > 0:20:44Now, the same question on Jeremy Corbyn's response -
0:20:44 > 0:20:47it's two to one the other way.
0:20:47 > 0:20:5139% say he has handled it badly and 18% say he has done well.
0:20:51 > 0:20:59But interestingly, a vast number of "don't knows" in his case.
0:20:59 > 0:21:02Let's see if we can dissect the politics of the week with a
0:21:02 > 0:21:05panel drawn from the brightest and best of our nation's commentariat -
0:21:05 > 0:21:08former editor and Mail On Sunday commentator Rachel Johnson,
0:21:08 > 0:21:10bestselling author and Guardian columnist Owen Jones,
0:21:10 > 0:21:18and the Times's Jenni Russell.
0:21:19 > 0:21:24Owen, do you think Jeremy Corbyn has paid a political price this week for
0:21:24 > 0:21:27his position?The media framing has been a disgrace, including your own
0:21:27 > 0:21:32programme. Yesterday, the background of your programme, you had Jeremy
0:21:32 > 0:21:36Corbyn dressed up against the Kremlin skyline... No, no. Dressed
0:21:36 > 0:21:43up as a Soviet leader. You even Photoshop is that it look more
0:21:43 > 0:21:50Russian.It was real, him in front of the Kremlin.Provocation, and
0:21:50 > 0:21:56people complained to the BBC about that, and it isn't your graphics
0:21:56 > 0:21:59department responsible, it is whoever signed it.It was a real
0:21:59 > 0:22:08picture of him.Who was it, which party over and over again demanded
0:22:08 > 0:22:16an amendment to crackdown? Which party resisted, the Conservatives.
0:22:16 > 0:22:24Which politician kibosh and enquiry, delayed undermined from a year after
0:22:24 > 0:22:27year, against the poisoning of Litvinenko, and in doing so
0:22:27 > 0:22:36potentially embolden those who used Theresa May. Which party is awash
0:22:36 > 0:22:39with Russian links? The Conservatives.While the polls
0:22:39 > 0:22:452-to-1 in her favour on this and 2-to-1 against him? Has he bungled
0:22:45 > 0:22:50it this week? You are saying, look how good he is on this, and the
0:22:50 > 0:22:53country are not buying it.I am saying he isn't having a good
0:22:53 > 0:22:56hearing, and I'm glad there are so many people who say they don't know.
0:22:56 > 0:23:02What sort of country do we live in where the media constantly tries to
0:23:02 > 0:23:04portray the Leader of the Opposition, who was the only one who
0:23:04 > 0:23:14stood up in solidarity in Parliament with Russia's democratic opposition,
0:23:14 > 0:23:19and being smeared for things? This is a series point, because it is how
0:23:19 > 0:23:24the mediocrity in this country for the feedback the expulsion of the
0:23:24 > 0:23:27diplomats, that's what the Labour Party did. The argument of the
0:23:27 > 0:23:30Labour Party is to go further and clamp down on Russian money, which
0:23:30 > 0:23:39the Conservatives party, which is bankrolled by Russian oligarchs.Is
0:23:39 > 0:23:43the framing being unfair?I think Owen made some very good points
0:23:43 > 0:23:46about the injustice of the British media towards Putin for them I last
0:23:46 > 0:23:54night.
0:23:54 > 0:23:57night. I didn't watch your programme last night, but if you take a
0:23:57 > 0:24:00photograph taken years ago in a different context and put it up
0:24:00 > 0:24:07there... Images matter. And he's right that many of the issues that
0:24:07 > 0:24:13he raises. It is true that the Conservative Party have not done the
0:24:13 > 0:24:17Magnitsky act. But Corbyn had an opportunity to say exactly anything
0:24:17 > 0:24:22that he pleased when he stood up in the Commons this week, and he
0:24:22 > 0:24:27completely blew it. He made it sound as though he wasn't primarily
0:24:27 > 0:24:30interested in defending the British people, as if he was more interested
0:24:30 > 0:24:33in exploring every possible reason why somebody else might have been
0:24:33 > 0:24:38responsible for this attack. The point is, if you intend to lead the
0:24:38 > 0:24:42country, as Jeremy Corbyn does, your first duty is to make people feel
0:24:42 > 0:24:46that you will defend them against attack, and although he was
0:24:46 > 0:24:49perfectly right to lay out some questions about what we know, Corbyn
0:24:49 > 0:24:52didn't do it the right way. He should have come out at the
0:24:52 > 0:24:55beginning it made it clear that he would defend Britain and he would
0:24:55 > 0:25:01ask other questions later.
0:25:01 > 0:25:04ask other questions later.Rachel, where are you on these?They have
0:25:04 > 0:25:06both made sensible points, but I thought that Jeremy Corbyn was right
0:25:06 > 0:25:11to point out that we needed some proof before we risked escalating
0:25:11 > 0:25:16what could be a very dangerous international situation, and I think
0:25:16 > 0:25:21a lot of the country really agreed with him on that. We've had eight
0:25:21 > 0:25:27years of the war in Syria, we got 1500 civilian casualties in Yemen,
0:25:27 > 0:25:32and then we have the death, probable assassination by a Russian agency of
0:25:32 > 0:25:40one British citizen, a Russian spy swap, and suddenly the entire
0:25:40 > 0:25:47international security establishment decides
0:25:49 > 0:25:50decides it's time to really launched an international diplomatic
0:25:50 > 0:25:55offensive against Putin. I understand the reasons about the
0:25:55 > 0:25:59chemical attack on British soil, but I think we were right to be
0:25:59 > 0:26:04cautious.Last word on Corbyn, because I want to get onto other
0:26:04 > 0:26:10things.What will get the Russian regime where it hurts? Labour has
0:26:10 > 0:26:12accepted that either Russia is directly responsible or criminally
0:26:12 > 0:26:16culpable by allowing its weapons to pull into the arms of the gangsters
0:26:16 > 0:26:21and oligarchs who ravaged Russia ever since the fall of the Soviet
0:26:21 > 0:26:24Union and what will help them? Going after Russian dirty money, and I'd
0:26:24 > 0:26:28ask, which party would you trust, a party bankrolled by the City of
0:26:28 > 0:26:31London, the centre of this money-laundering, or one which
0:26:31 > 0:26:39isn't? The Conservatives are Roche -- are awash with Russian money but
0:26:39 > 0:26:43Theresa May has refused an enquiry into the Litvinenko poisoningI want
0:26:43 > 0:26:47to move on to Theresa May because a lot of people have said she has had
0:26:47 > 0:26:52a good week, and the polls seem to that, head of Labour by three points
0:26:52 > 0:26:59in one poll today. Is it game changing? Is this the new strong
0:26:59 > 0:27:02Theresa May? That strength in her position in the and the Labor Day
0:27:02 > 0:27:07when the people come and tell her to go? Best position in the party and
0:27:07 > 0:27:14does it do Labor Day.I thought she performed OK this week. With God,
0:27:14 > 0:27:22thank goodness there is a grown-up in charge. However, the whole reason
0:27:22 > 0:27:25this is so threatening, and probably the reason this happened is that
0:27:25 > 0:27:30Britain is extraordinarily weak. We are walking away from our allies in
0:27:30 > 0:27:33Europe, wilfully alienating them, and we can't depend on our allies
0:27:33 > 0:27:37across the pond, and that is a situation which Theresa May has made
0:27:37 > 0:27:41much worse than it need be, and the backdrop for all of this is that,
0:27:41 > 0:27:45when this episode is over, we should be dwelling on the fact that very
0:27:45 > 0:27:47few countries in the world have chosen to walk away from their
0:27:47 > 0:27:54allies into something is called unthreatening as this world...
0:27:54 > 0:27:58Secondly, when you are saying, as she done well, the context is that
0:27:58 > 0:28:01Theresa May is completely confused about what she wants about Brexit,
0:28:01 > 0:28:09so is her party, we are going nowhere in the negotiations.It
0:28:09 > 0:28:18could be testing our isolation.I may remain, but I have to say, I
0:28:18 > 0:28:23think it's a joke to say that this is a distraction from Brexit. The
0:28:23 > 0:28:30Russian Embassy said, the Russian embassy new... They knew everybody
0:28:30 > 0:28:33would start talking about our security position post-Brexit, and
0:28:33 > 0:28:40that's why they said a probable assassination, and MI5 plot to
0:28:40 > 0:28:49distract us from Brexit. ALL TALKING AT ONCE.
0:28:49 > 0:28:53The first statement by the quad, Germany, France, the US and the UK
0:28:53 > 0:28:55for decades. There hasn't been any disintegration of the transatlantic
0:28:55 > 0:29:00alliance.
0:29:01 > 0:29:04alliance.Again, it's about their track record. Let's not forget the
0:29:04 > 0:29:08Conservatives lobbied to die lewd sanctions against Russia in the
0:29:08 > 0:29:15past, on the basis it would damage the City, but if you look back to
0:29:15 > 0:29:192003 in Iraq, Libya in 2011, everybody said, look how strong and
0:29:19 > 0:29:23commanded David Cameron and Tony Blair are, and anybody dissenting
0:29:23 > 0:29:25from the government line was betrayed as traitors, cowards,
0:29:25 > 0:29:32stooges of the enemy.400,000 people marched.In saying that the media
0:29:32 > 0:29:38and the new Labour elite and the Conservatives did that, especially
0:29:38 > 0:29:43with Libya, where only about 40 MPs voted against. We do have a foreign
0:29:43 > 0:29:48policy which is reckless and endangers the national security of
0:29:48 > 0:29:50everybody watching, because of Theresa May's support for the Saudi
0:29:50 > 0:29:56dictatorship or the Turkish regime, so this idea that, because we are
0:29:56 > 0:30:02doing some theatrical standing up in terms of expelling a few diplomats
0:30:02 > 0:30:05instead of taking an Russian dirty money...You are making this
0:30:05 > 0:30:13argument a lot of -- lot better than the people running the Labour Party.
0:30:13 > 0:30:18The Labour Party is making any argument like this extremely well,
0:30:18 > 0:30:27because Corbyn was writing about 19% before this. There are many reasons
0:30:27 > 0:30:30to be very worried about British foreign policy and about British
0:30:30 > 0:30:36foreign policy in the past. I was among many people who marched
0:30:36 > 0:30:42against the war in Iraq, but Jeremy Corbyn is now saying he will
0:30:42 > 0:30:49reassess the membership of Nato... That is Corbyn's policy. He might
0:30:49 > 0:30:53not ever want to use a nuclear deterrent. You can't have somebody
0:30:53 > 0:30:58coming in to say per minute recess, I may not want to use the ultimate
0:30:58 > 0:31:02sanction.I want to give Rachel the last word. When you look at moments
0:31:02 > 0:31:05like this, do you think they show our country at its best or do they
0:31:05 > 0:31:12show it at its worst?Theresa May performed well and Prime Minister
0:31:12 > 0:31:17really, and I thought she struck the right note, and I think that,
0:31:17 > 0:31:23unlike, there has been terrible banter from the Defence Secretary.
0:31:23 > 0:31:30And the Foreign Secretary!The Russian embassy's command of the
0:31:30 > 0:31:33English language is superior to that of our Defence Secretary, and in
0:31:33 > 0:31:39that sense we are on the back foot. Thank you, all.
0:31:39 > 0:31:42The cable car across the Thames, which opened in 2012, is facing
0:31:42 > 0:31:43an uncertain future tonight.
0:31:43 > 0:31:45It could be sold off or scrapped completely,
0:31:45 > 0:31:47according to the Evening Standard.
0:31:47 > 0:31:49The Emirates Air Line, the project of former
0:31:49 > 0:31:55mayor Boris Johnson, was the UK's first urban cable car.
0:31:55 > 0:31:58It was meant to be a new form of mass transit.
0:31:58 > 0:31:59But it didn't attract the masses.
0:31:59 > 0:32:02Having cost £60 million to build, according to one report,
0:32:02 > 0:32:06only four regular commuters were using it.
0:32:06 > 0:32:08Is it farewell to one of London's least loved modes
0:32:08 > 0:32:10of public transport?
0:32:10 > 0:32:12We'll miss it, even if the customers don't.
0:32:12 > 0:32:14Goodnight.
0:32:14 > 0:32:18# Are you lonesome tonight?
0:32:18 > 0:32:22# Do you miss me tonight?
0:32:22 > 0:32:30# Are you sorry we drifted apart?
0:32:32 > 0:32:40# Does your memory stray to a brighter sunny day
0:32:41 > 0:32:49# When I kissed you and called you sweetheart? #