:00:00. > :00:18.What a special night. We are talking about immigration. Louis Walsh is on
:00:19. > :00:22.the show. But here's what is taking this show off the roof tonight,
:00:23. > :00:41.Ladies and gentlemen, let's get ready to rock this studio!
:00:42. > :00:44.It's with great pride and pleasure I welcome to this fabulous venue.
:00:45. > :00:48.The IBF Super Bantamweight Champion of the World, and on a hugely
:00:49. > :00:55.successful and historical occasion last Saturday,
:00:56. > :00:57.in Manchester, England, he also became the NEW WBA
:00:58. > :00:59.Super Bantamweight Champion of the World!
:01:00. > :01:01.Hailing from Tiger's Bay, Belfast, I give you Carl "The Jackal"
:01:02. > :01:52.I think we should do it again, ladies and gentlemen, Carl Frampton
:01:53. > :01:56.in the studio! World champion. What does it feel
:01:57. > :02:06.like? It feels great. It was a huge fight,
:02:07. > :02:12.we have had a long rivalry, me and Quigg. I just wanted to beat him, I
:02:13. > :02:22.wanted to prove it. Very, very happy.
:02:23. > :02:24.It's not that often a crowd in this studio gets on their feet for
:02:25. > :02:25.somebody, how studio gets on their feet for
:02:26. > :02:34.local support? studio gets on their feet for
:02:35. > :02:38.Honestly, it's unbelievable. Even here tonight it was incredible, but
:02:39. > :02:41.in Manchester it sounded like here tonight it was incredible, but
:02:42. > :02:50.Belfast, it didn't feel like Manchester. And Quigg is from
:02:51. > :02:53.Belfast, it didn't feel like miles outside Manchester. I
:02:54. > :02:55.genuinely believe I am one of the best supported fighters in world
:02:56. > :03:02.boxing. I am very grateful. best supported fighters in world
:03:03. > :03:07.of them sound like 20,000. Is it starting to hit you?
:03:08. > :03:12.I don't know. He hardly hit you!
:03:13. > :03:13.I don't know. It was a bit of a boring fight
:03:14. > :03:23.especially the first half. But It was a bit of a boring fight
:03:24. > :03:24.I hit him with a solid jab and his eyes lit up. He didn't want to fight
:03:25. > :03:34.for six eyes lit up. He didn't want to fight
:03:35. > :03:42.The support that there eyes lit up. He didn't want to fight
:03:43. > :03:53.was some famous support as well, some sober. Who could we possibly be
:03:54. > :03:58.talking about? They said you can't wear a football
:03:59. > :04:00.shirt, but I thought I might be on the telly.
:04:01. > :04:04.shirt, but I thought I might be on He is doing a lot for Northern
:04:05. > :04:17.Ireland, Carl from town. -- car Frampton. -- Carl Frampton.
:04:18. > :04:22.We love Jimmy. But he had had a couple, more than a couple. But when
:04:23. > :04:28.he sobered up, said -- he sent you a message.
:04:29. > :04:34.Greetings from a very hot but very beautiful botanic gardens in
:04:35. > :04:38.Singapore. It was the farthest place I could get away to after Saturday
:04:39. > :04:43.night. What a performance, and you weren't bad either. I was hoping to
:04:44. > :04:51.congratulate you, what I was sort of unable to speak. -- but I was. We
:04:52. > :04:54.are incredibly proud of you. On Sunday morning it felt like I had
:04:55. > :05:00.been through 12 gruelling rounds also. Northern Ireland's very own
:05:01. > :05:15.Carl Frampton, everyone is so proud. I believe Wayne Rooney was in your
:05:16. > :05:23.dressing room? He was in Quigg's dressing room.
:05:24. > :05:27.He was supporting Quigg and he was a bit absurd.
:05:28. > :05:37.He had a bet with Michael Wright, so he lost.
:05:38. > :05:43.-- he had a bet with Rory McIlroy. I think we should welcome your
:05:44. > :05:44.partner in crime, another local hero, ladies and gentlemen, Barry
:05:45. > :06:04.McGuigan! I remember you telling me on the
:06:05. > :06:09.radio show quite a long time ago, you knew this guy.
:06:10. > :06:15.Yes, I have been telling everybody for years, people told me to shut
:06:16. > :06:21.up. But he is an exceptional talent and he proved on Saturday night. It
:06:22. > :06:27.was a cagey affair for the first 68 rounds, but we wanted people to buy
:06:28. > :06:37.all the pay-per-view, but we knew it was going to be cagey. The idea was,
:06:38. > :06:42.the strategic land was Carl would get out in front, get a good, decent
:06:43. > :06:50.lead, and make him panic and make him come to you. I was watching the
:06:51. > :06:56.show back on Sunday night quite late, and I listened to it and the
:06:57. > :07:05.Mike went into their corner and at the end of the seventh round he said
:07:06. > :07:13.sky have got us 61 down! -- Sky Sports 4. I thought, these guys are
:07:14. > :07:16.idiots. We were way in front. That was the plan, and Carl knew it would
:07:17. > :07:20.be a matter of coming to him and tried to pick him off. But he had
:07:21. > :07:27.already broken his jaw and that stage. But it was a fantastic
:07:28. > :07:31.performance, and we knew it would be a tactical battle, we knew it would
:07:32. > :07:37.not be an all out war until the latter stages. And I think because
:07:38. > :07:42.of the damage to his chin, he wasn't willing to commit. So Carl could not
:07:43. > :07:46.nail him with the right punches, but he dominated him.
:07:47. > :07:52.Did you know he had -- you had broken his jaw?
:07:53. > :07:57.No, it was the end of possibly the eighth round or the sixth, but not
:07:58. > :08:11.as early as the fourth as they were saying.
:08:12. > :08:32.These two are a couple of really good fighters.
:08:33. > :08:39.Everywhere we go, everywhere we go! Making all that noise, everywhere we
:08:40. > :08:54.go. Tell you what, I am glad you can box
:08:55. > :09:02.better than you can sing! He's actually got a good voice.
:09:03. > :09:11.There's hardly a mark on you. If we put the camera up, the top of
:09:12. > :09:17.the left ear. His left eye. There's just a little mark there, if we can
:09:18. > :09:28.see that. It's that small, it's really hard to see. And that's it.
:09:29. > :09:34.That wasn't even from the fight! I got a cut eye, it was a kid from
:09:35. > :09:39.Belfast. Very last spark of the camp, he clipped me and my eyes
:09:40. > :09:49.split. I thought initially, fights off. But it healed, but that wasn't
:09:50. > :09:56.Quigg. That was actually...
:09:57. > :09:59.He was dealt somebody blows though. As Carl said, it wasn't the fourth
:10:00. > :10:04.round, it was more like the sixth round when he broke his jaw, but he
:10:05. > :10:10.fought six rounds with a damaged jaw. But that was partly the reason
:10:11. > :10:14.why he kept his hands up. We knew he was not going to take his hands in
:10:15. > :10:20.an exchange with them. He goes blocked and then responds, but he
:10:21. > :10:24.was blocking when he was responding. It was carried out to perfection.
:10:25. > :10:29.Before the fight I heard you say it would be life changing. Life
:10:30. > :10:34.changing for you and your family. How?
:10:35. > :10:38.I don't know yet, because the money is not yet in my bank account! It
:10:39. > :10:43.just takes about a week or so to come in.
:10:44. > :10:49.It takes about a month or so. Look, it is obviously...
:10:50. > :10:55.What type of money's involved? We don't know yet, we don't know...
:10:56. > :11:06.Is it millions? . Ask questions like that. -- don't
:11:07. > :11:12.ask questions like that. But we won't know until the
:11:13. > :11:18.pay-per-view comes in in about a month.
:11:19. > :11:27.One of them is mine. One of them is mine as well.
:11:28. > :11:32.What's next for him, can you bring him, obviously he is on the world
:11:33. > :11:36.stage. How about Windsor Park, how about here in Northern Ireland so
:11:37. > :11:42.that these people who love you can do it on the home -- on your home
:11:43. > :11:46.turf? Would you like that, ladies and gentlemen?
:11:47. > :11:52.We would love to do that. We are obligated to make, it is a difficult
:11:53. > :11:57.situation because in order for Kyle to fight for the WBA title they had
:11:58. > :11:59.to make a mandatory 90 days after that that he would defend against
:12:00. > :12:05.the super champion. The that that he would defend against
:12:06. > :12:18.also given us 90 days to defend against another fighter, so we are
:12:19. > :12:20.in a different -- difficult spot... Anywhere, the fact is we are
:12:21. > :12:24.obligated. Anywhere, the fact is we are
:12:25. > :12:28.champion we are more inclined to go down that route. But several guys
:12:29. > :12:37.are interested in fighting down that route. But several guys
:12:38. > :12:42.but we have to sit down, he is not making any decisions until
:12:43. > :12:42.but we have to sit down, he is not chance to look at all the possible
:12:43. > :12:50.opportunities and There is a certain amount of scandal
:12:51. > :12:53.associated with you, because of course the last time you were in the
:12:54. > :12:55.associated with you, because of studio we had rehearsed our fight in
:12:56. > :13:00.the boxing ring, you witnessed studio we had rehearsed our fight in
:13:01. > :13:03.Barry, and it was important you didn't touch a BBC presenter. What
:13:04. > :13:09.happened is that didn't touch a BBC presenter. What
:13:10. > :13:13.flying around the Internet now, let's remind us where the contact
:13:14. > :13:21.happened here if we look at this freaky... -- VAT. -- if we look at
:13:22. > :13:36.this clip. LAUGHTER Sorry, it was only a small
:13:37. > :13:44.touch. I think you hit me harder than Quigg. What about your family?
:13:45. > :13:50.It must be special? Great to see them, and... I saw your luck and by
:13:51. > :13:57.getting his first haircut on Twitter. He is a bit of a rascal.
:13:58. > :14:03.But he sat on ice and it was good to be home, great to be home with the
:14:04. > :14:11.family. -- but he sat down nicely. What is your dream? To keep winning,
:14:12. > :14:17.in Madison Square Garden is, in the MGM in Las Vegas. It is incredible,
:14:18. > :14:22.I go there once a year, I would love to see you there. I would love to
:14:23. > :14:26.get out there, but Windsor Park, above all, I would love to defend my
:14:27. > :14:35.world title in front of home fans and repay them for what they have
:14:36. > :14:38.done for me and show them I want to be at home, a Belfast boy, let's do
:14:39. > :14:44.some fights from here. be at home, a Belfast boy, let's do
:14:45. > :14:46.from a little boy aged seven, fighting in North Belfast, there you
:14:47. > :14:50.are, where was that? fighting in North Belfast, there you
:14:51. > :14:58.ABC in Tigers Bay. There is Joe fighting in North Belfast, there you
:14:59. > :15:09.in the corner, who has sadly passed away, but well-known around that
:15:10. > :15:14.area. -- Joe Farrell. Well, from that little boy, to someone we are
:15:15. > :15:24.so proud of. Thank you. Carl Frampton! CHEERING Right, good
:15:25. > :15:26.stuff. Give them a round of applause!
:15:27. > :15:32.CHEERING The migrant crisis,
:15:33. > :15:36.one of the biggest The UN warned this week about
:15:37. > :15:40.a looming humanitarian disaster. Or imposing stricter
:15:41. > :15:58.limits on who can come in? What is the answer to this? George
:15:59. > :16:06.Galloway is joining us this evening. He should be on the line. Set this
:16:07. > :16:11.out for us? That is a tidal wave of refugees arriving in Europe, more
:16:12. > :16:14.than 1 million arrived last summer, and far more than 1 million will
:16:15. > :16:24.arrive this summer, just in the first six weeks of this year 150,000
:16:25. > :16:29.people arrived from the Middle East, and those travelled through the
:16:30. > :16:35.worst of weather conditions. So, as the weather improves, more people
:16:36. > :16:43.will take to the seas, and walking across Europe, cascading from one
:16:44. > :16:48.end to the other end. And this, on top of austerity throughout most of
:16:49. > :16:55.Europe, with more of that to come, because Greece seems to be about to
:16:56. > :16:59.default on its payments, on its loans it got after the long-running
:17:00. > :17:05.crisis. So do you think we should have an open door policy on
:17:06. > :17:12.immigrants? No. So what should we do? I hope you did not bring me on
:17:13. > :17:18.thinking I did. Every country should have control of its own borders and
:17:19. > :17:22.there is no such thing as unlimited immigration, or ought to be, there
:17:23. > :17:26.is nothing left wing about mass immigration, mass immigration
:17:27. > :17:35.decapitates the countries from which they come and, when they arrive, it
:17:36. > :17:40.drives down wages and conditions as unscrupulous lawyers take advantage
:17:41. > :17:47.of new Labour. What should we do? Stop fuelling the wars that said
:17:48. > :17:52.these people off in the first place. And I'm sorry if I sound like a
:17:53. > :17:58.broken record... And we are where we are now. What should we do with the
:17:59. > :18:03.present problem? Not to go back in time but agree with me that we need
:18:04. > :18:09.to stop what we are doing right now, such as in Syria, our government and
:18:10. > :18:13.others, the usual suspects I'm afraid, are continuing to fuel the
:18:14. > :18:18.so-called rebellion in Syria, which has set the place on fire, saying
:18:19. > :18:24.the destruction, not least amongst Christian communities, and holy
:18:25. > :18:28.places. That might of course stop the father in flux, but there are
:18:29. > :18:35.people right now, we can see them on television. -- further influx. We
:18:36. > :18:42.have to show them out fairly, you cannot have Greece, such as nearby
:18:43. > :18:46.Macedonian government trapping hundreds of thousands of people in
:18:47. > :18:52.Greece, which will cause chaos. We will come back to you in a second.
:18:53. > :18:58.David McNarry, we have to share the load, help people as much as they
:18:59. > :19:01.can, against that? I am not, the United Kingdom government is doing
:19:02. > :19:06.the right thing, if only people would listen, I welcome the 100 or
:19:07. > :19:12.families that came from the Syrian camps to Northern Ireland and they
:19:13. > :19:18.are being looked after, and I am aware of that, and I know more are
:19:19. > :19:23.coming in, but the answer is why are people going on these horrendous
:19:24. > :19:27.journeys, putting their lives and their children's lies at this, when
:19:28. > :19:32.they are not going anywhere better? Some people may say it is better
:19:33. > :19:38.than bombs, of course it is, but there are camps set up to facilitate
:19:39. > :19:42.them close to their own homes from whence they should be returning
:19:43. > :19:47.properly. Widening this out beyond Syria, what is wrong with an
:19:48. > :19:55.economic migrant? Let me just tell you. This is my British passport.
:19:56. > :20:02.What it says at the top... It so happens you brought it with you!
:20:03. > :20:07.LAUGHTER Purposely, it says European Union at the top. Angela Merkel as
:20:08. > :20:15.offered and brought in 1 million people, right? In not too long time,
:20:16. > :20:22.they will get the same passport, the same rights, benefits. But people
:20:23. > :20:28.have travelled to find work for centuries. We will find the
:20:29. > :20:32.countries that put up the barbed wire, the people going with Angela
:20:33. > :20:44.Merkel... Didn't your ancestors emigrated here from Scotland? No.
:20:45. > :20:49.You are Irish? Yes. And resist the right for others to come here for a
:20:50. > :20:53.better life? I understand it is highly emotional. You would not have
:20:54. > :21:00.a hard if you did not feel for some of those scenes we see on television
:21:01. > :21:03.but we don't have room, and not have an economy that can uphold this, 1
:21:04. > :21:10.million people leaving other countries, turned into European
:21:11. > :21:18.citizens, meaning the same rate this passport, and I do not believe they
:21:19. > :21:22.should using that. This lady? What about what America, Australia,
:21:23. > :21:25.Canada has done, if you do not come in with enough money, they will not
:21:26. > :21:32.give you social security. Our problem is people come to this
:21:33. > :21:36.country are coming for a better life, to get money out of our
:21:37. > :21:42.government, that we have to pay in. They
:21:43. > :21:46.government, that we have to pay in. all of them! Some people came to me
:21:47. > :21:56.when I worked in the boot, and asking about
:21:57. > :22:02.when I worked in the boot, and given it. Quite a sweeping
:22:03. > :22:06.statement! It isn't. A lot are claiming for children not here in
:22:07. > :22:13.this country. They are claiming for everything. I don't agree, to be
:22:14. > :22:17.honest, some of what you have said is very sad. We have a lot of people
:22:18. > :22:20.who will think some of the migrants with the same brush. You made a good
:22:21. > :22:26.point we with the same brush. You made a good
:22:27. > :22:36.around immigration, and separate and economic migrant and refugee. These
:22:37. > :22:37.people are fleeing death, if there were bombs that were dropping and
:22:38. > :22:43.leaving us destitute, in every were bombs that were dropping and
:22:44. > :22:50.of their country... There are facilities close to their land, that
:22:51. > :22:52.they want to go back to. I am father and grandfather and I would not take
:22:53. > :22:57.my wife and children on and grandfather and I would not take
:22:58. > :23:02.miles of track... It you had no other choice. But they have the
:23:03. > :23:04.choice of camps. But you have never had your life on
:23:05. > :23:05.the line to that But you have never had your life on
:23:06. > :23:11.know what it is like? The IRA put But you have never had your life on
:23:12. > :23:17.life on the line of occasions. But you have never had your life on
:23:18. > :23:23.many people left Northern Ireland for the United States and Australia
:23:24. > :23:26.and were accepted. On the condition they will make a contribution.
:23:27. > :23:34.The man in the glasses? they will make a contribution.
:23:35. > :23:43.consider these people are coming to they will make a contribution.
:23:44. > :23:43.the UK because of UK foreign policy has driven their country into the
:23:44. > :23:46.situation where they have no has driven their country into the
:23:47. > :23:49.but to move from their home. has driven their country into the
:23:50. > :24:04.problem with this has driven their country into the
:24:05. > :24:05.but did not bring it on. I brought it on to make
:24:06. > :24:15.but did not bring it on. I brought here at you at length! Thank
:24:16. > :24:17.but did not bring it on. I brought you doing his job now? Most people
:24:18. > :24:23.preface remarks with, I am not a racist, or I am the daughter or
:24:24. > :24:25.granddaughter of immigrants, either occupying the moral high ground. I
:24:26. > :24:30.am the occupying the moral high ground. I
:24:31. > :24:37.were fleeing persecution in Russia, I am also not a racist, but, always
:24:38. > :24:39.this but, we have to unpack the arguments and move away from the
:24:40. > :24:46.this but, we have to unpack the emotional, where is your heart, here
:24:47. > :24:54.is my passport, and save... But it is about sovereignty. And he talks
:24:55. > :24:56.about his Britishness threatened. And I respect his opinion. I also
:24:57. > :25:02.agree that while we are genes to And I respect his opinion. I also
:25:03. > :25:06.Human Rights Act, part of the EU, and I support leaving the EU, we
:25:07. > :25:12.will have uncontrolled Labour moving in and around Europe, and there is a
:25:13. > :25:18.massive difference between an asylum seeker who needs surgery from war
:25:19. > :25:23.and someone who just thinks Britain is a soft option. -- sanctuary from
:25:24. > :25:30.what stop George Galloway, I would you respond to David McNarry? I am
:25:31. > :25:38.glad I could not see that, probably not a pretty sight. America would be
:25:39. > :25:42.the Buddhas country in the world and Bangladesh the richest because
:25:43. > :25:53.everyone emigrates to union the United States, and nobody emigrates
:25:54. > :25:59.to Bangladesh. Immigrants generate economic activity and more wealth
:26:00. > :26:07.for all of us. Do you agree with that, David McNarry? George, let
:26:08. > :26:12.David respond. Your point is? I will go on to make it, ?5 billion surplus
:26:13. > :26:20.was contributed to the British economy I immigrants last year,
:26:21. > :26:25.compounded each year there is a surplus of a great deal of money.
:26:26. > :26:30.There may be the odd person turning up at the blue asking for ?3000 for
:26:31. > :26:36.a car, though I am sure they were given short shrift from the
:26:37. > :26:48.warm-hearted person that spoke, a former civil servant. -- brew. She
:26:49. > :26:54.wants to despond. They got handed it, they were not given short
:26:55. > :27:04.shrift, ?2000 for a car to get to work. Well, I demand an enquiry,
:27:05. > :27:11.because for nearly 30 years as an MP, I never had of anyone getting
:27:12. > :27:17.?3000 for a car, let alone someone who arrived as a refugee or economic
:27:18. > :27:22.migrant. Go ahead. I coach load of refugees were brought into my area
:27:23. > :27:27.and put up in a Hotel, all women and kids, we have nothing against them,
:27:28. > :27:32.but we were not told about it, they were sneaked in, I live in a nice
:27:33. > :27:37.area and if we were told refugees were coming with women and kids we
:27:38. > :27:43.would have welcomed them, but the children to the community centres.
:27:44. > :27:50.Why should you be told? Why do they need your permission? Because people
:27:51. > :27:53.have the wrong issues about them, going against them because
:27:54. > :27:56.politicians from other areas were treating these people, coming into
:27:57. > :28:02.our area, we would like to know ourselves. But this is what is
:28:03. > :28:10.wrong, people saying things like our area! But we have to live the, and
:28:11. > :28:16.they could break into our houses. -- we have to live there. I do not
:28:17. > :28:20.believe anyone is bad, I did tell people, it is women and kids, look
:28:21. > :28:26.what they have went through, welcome them with open arms. Maybe they
:28:27. > :28:28.could have made our kids. But that would have been the nice thing but
:28:29. > :28:55.no one was talking were coming in. This lady is entitled to feel some
:28:56. > :29:09.ownership of her area. The fact is, why don't we...
:29:10. > :29:19.I would love to do things like that. How much money, let's be practical,
:29:20. > :29:22.how much money has it cost to get all these people over to these
:29:23. > :29:29.different areas? What are we spending our foreign aid on, to fund
:29:30. > :29:35.I's space programme? Why aren't we spending it on enabling people to
:29:36. > :29:47.stay in their indigenous -- indigenous areas and have a better
:29:48. > :29:58.life? People want to be where they are more culturally at home, why not
:29:59. > :30:10.help them? The UK is the second biggest donor
:30:11. > :30:17.to foreign aid. They want to help people in their own country first.
:30:18. > :30:21.Like you said, it hasn't worked. So we will try to help settle them
:30:22. > :30:27.around their country. But it is not always working. We have a moral
:30:28. > :30:34.obligation to help bring them here, because we do have room. We have a
:30:35. > :30:35.moral and an international legal operation to help people who are
:30:36. > :30:54.fleeing from their lands. Young lady up here.
:30:55. > :30:59.What if these people just demand even more of our services such as
:31:00. > :31:05.NHS and our education systems? We are already struggling. The majority
:31:06. > :31:12.of them are coming to work. Including in the NHS, by the way.
:31:13. > :31:15.Many experts say the NHS could not function if we did not have people
:31:16. > :31:22.from other places in the world coming to work here. We have to look
:31:23. > :31:38.after our own before we take in even more people. Go ahead. Do you not
:31:39. > :31:44.think you should put refugees on the back burner with all the
:31:45. > :31:52.homelessness in the United Kingdom? Look after people on our own
:31:53. > :31:56.streets? The North of Ireland is famously a Christian part of the
:31:57. > :32:06.world, but I'm not hearing much Christian charity from your studio
:32:07. > :32:09.discussion tonight. Of course we are a Christian country. Well,
:32:10. > :32:14.discussion tonight. Of course we are hear some... Do you
:32:15. > :32:19.discussion tonight. Of course we are everybody or is it just me? At the
:32:20. > :32:29.moment is that -- it is just you, George. Well, kindly let me speak.
:32:30. > :32:34.These people, and it is really important to unbundle the economic
:32:35. > :32:37.migrant from the refugee. The economic migrant,
:32:38. > :32:38.migrant from the refugee. The right to control their numbers. One
:32:39. > :32:43.of the reasons why I right to control their numbers. One
:32:44. > :32:47.the EU. But the refugee, the wretched, the
:32:48. > :32:49.the EU. But the refugee, the to be free from hell on earth,
:32:50. > :32:55.the EU. But the refugee, the really have to find some Christian
:32:56. > :32:56.the EU. But the refugee, the are fleeing not just bombs, they are
:32:57. > :33:04.fleeing Isis and Al-Qaeda, who are fleeing not just bombs, they are
:33:05. > :33:09.cut your head off. Now frankly, so, you would take your wife
:33:10. > :33:10.cut your head off. Now frankly, so, would take them away if Isis with
:33:11. > :33:18.their sharp would take them away if Isis with
:33:19. > :33:22.people's hearts... There is not much difference between them and the IRA
:33:23. > :33:27.and I never took by family anywhere, I stood my ground and I stood with
:33:28. > :33:35.my own people. We are a Christian nation and that comes through all
:33:36. > :33:40.the time, George. That is not coming across from what you are saying.
:33:41. > :33:47.However bad the Troubles were in the North of Ireland... But
:33:48. > :33:53.However bad the Troubles were in the completely untrue. It is completely
:33:54. > :33:58.untrue. But however bad the situation was, in the north of
:33:59. > :34:08.Ireland, people were not getting their heads cut off, the heights
:34:09. > :34:14.eaten, crucified... -- hearts. They were getting bombed to pieces.
:34:15. > :34:16.eaten, crucified... -- hearts. They going to pay you a compliment of
:34:17. > :34:22.imagining you don't know what you are talking about. If you did know,
:34:23. > :34:28.what kind of hell it is in Iraq and Syria, thanks to us and George Bush,
:34:29. > :34:34.you would not have the hard faced hard hearted attitude all the while.
:34:35. > :34:40.You are a hypocrite. Clutching your Bible, whilst slamming the door on
:34:41. > :34:49.people who are fleeing from the most horrific hell on earth.
:34:50. > :34:54.people who are fleeing from the most David respond. Do not accept, David,
:34:55. > :34:59.but the extent of the devastation in Syria -- do not accept, but the
:35:00. > :35:03.extent of the devastation and bloodshed is far beyond what
:35:04. > :35:08.happened here? No, what I have got to say is in response to questions I
:35:09. > :35:13.have -- I was asking of the police quite recently, Isis threat in the
:35:14. > :35:18.city of Belfast has gone from moderate to serious in a matter of
:35:19. > :35:24.weeks. This is our capital city, and the police themselves have upgraded
:35:25. > :35:34.the threat from Isis. That is concerning. Go ahead, sir, with your
:35:35. > :35:37.hand up. Do not think this is something Stormont should have been
:35:38. > :35:46.dealing with long before it got out of hand? Rather than the usual
:35:47. > :35:49.political point scoring. The UN's International Labour Organisation
:35:50. > :35:55.has stated that the migrants have a positive economic contribution in
:35:56. > :36:05.terms of paying more taxes and social contribution than they
:36:06. > :36:12.actually take out of the economy. What do you think about this, you
:36:13. > :36:21.had to seek asylum in 1979. 1975. We were sent to the UK, Manchester, to
:36:22. > :36:30.study, and then in 1980 when the revolution happened in Iran, there
:36:31. > :36:36.was persecution obviously and then in 1981 my parents came to visit us,
:36:37. > :36:44.and my father could never go back. And because of that, he sought
:36:45. > :36:51.asylum, and all the children, my siblings, we got asylum and we
:36:52. > :36:56.remain in the UK. So how do you feel about what you have heard tonight?
:36:57. > :37:00.It is just a matter of looking at the situation, it is a matter of
:37:01. > :37:06.chance where you are born, whether you are born in Northern Ireland or
:37:07. > :37:14.Kuwait or Iran. It is privileged that you are born in a country that
:37:15. > :37:20.you can leave and be free. I was not free in Iran. David, if you believe
:37:21. > :37:24.the EU is far too lax on immigration, that we need to leave
:37:25. > :37:30.it to control our on-board is, therefore it follows that you must
:37:31. > :37:36.want border controls and checkpoints back on the Irish border. -- control
:37:37. > :37:42.at own borders. The Republic of Ireland is not in Schengen, and
:37:43. > :37:45.neither is the United Kingdom, thank goodness. The relationship we have
:37:46. > :37:50.in terms of trading with the Republic of Ireland is one that will
:37:51. > :37:56.continue. I cannot see any great difference with the United Kingdom
:37:57. > :38:00.out of Europe. But if we want to control our borders against
:38:01. > :38:04.immigration from Europe, you have to control but border between here and
:38:05. > :38:09.the South. I want to control our borders right this moment, between
:38:10. > :38:14.this little part of the United Kingdom and the Irish Republic,
:38:15. > :38:20.because it is a porous border, and because... So you would put border
:38:21. > :38:26.controls back on the border here? Yes, because right this moment...
:38:27. > :38:35.Illegal immigrant sigh crossing the border. Would you put checkpoints
:38:36. > :38:49.back? Are you trying to scare us? Isis terrorists are coming from
:38:50. > :38:55.Dublin to Belfast? Yes? How do we know? Go and ask the Chief
:38:56. > :39:01.Constable. Isis terrorists are coming from Dublin to Belfast. There
:39:02. > :39:07.was a statement three weeks ago which said the police are more
:39:08. > :39:15.concerned about young jihadist militant Islamic people than they
:39:16. > :39:20.are about dissident IRA. So Ukip once border controls and checkpoints
:39:21. > :39:28.on the border. No, we won't border controls, we want -- we need border
:39:29. > :39:34.controls... And checkpoints as well? The checkpoints on going to be able
:39:35. > :39:42.to be done, how on earth do you do that, the IRA crossed every day and
:39:43. > :39:44.every night. The British Government's foreign policy is
:39:45. > :39:48.making it worse. We can afford to bomb countries that aren't our
:39:49. > :39:53.business, but we can't afford to fund the welfare system or invest in
:39:54. > :39:57.people who need our help. Part of the problem I think also with this
:39:58. > :40:02.debate is that first of all we haven't really looked at the issue
:40:03. > :40:06.of radicalised Islam, which is sprouting on our campuses and in
:40:07. > :40:11.different areas of our communities, and that has propagated this idea
:40:12. > :40:17.that immigration is a bad thing. Everything's and thrown into one
:40:18. > :40:21.pot. But this issue that George gave us, a very vivid description of the
:40:22. > :40:27.kind of things that people are suffering terrible hell in Syria.
:40:28. > :40:32.When you run, I would have thought you run to the first safe place you
:40:33. > :40:36.get to. Just spill back to the rise of the Nazis in the Second World
:40:37. > :40:42.War. People left Germany and fled for example to Holland, as Anne
:40:43. > :40:47.Frank's family famously did. Her father thought the family would be
:40:48. > :40:52.safe there, he couldn't see how far the Nazi tentacles would stretch. He
:40:53. > :40:56.didn't think, we will press on to Britain. As a family, when you run,
:40:57. > :41:00.and thank God I have never been in that position but my family have,
:41:01. > :41:05.generations before, you stop when you come to the place you feel safe.
:41:06. > :41:09.And this is part of the issue now. Either you run to get to safety, or
:41:10. > :41:16.you run because you want to get to Britain. The two are not mutually
:41:17. > :41:21.exclusive. The debt she added to the Newsletter. -- deputy editor. I used
:41:22. > :41:29.to be quite tough on immigration. England is one of the most densely
:41:30. > :41:33.populated countries in the world. Look at the catastrophic rise in
:41:34. > :41:44.house prices in London that kind of things. But I travelled down via
:41:45. > :41:53.Belgrade, and saw the beginning of this human chain, and Lesbos, they
:41:54. > :41:57.spoke English, almost all of them, and aside from the human tragedy of
:41:58. > :42:00.these and aside from the human tragedy of
:42:01. > :42:04.wondering around, I thought we could benefit from the resourcefulness. So
:42:05. > :42:11.that maybe we should actually a Northern Ireland, take some more.
:42:12. > :42:15.However, there comes a point, very clearly, when you have to say, no.
:42:16. > :42:23.Look what happened when Angela Merkel sent out the signal and many
:42:24. > :42:29.more people came. When is the point to say no? I don't know, but I think
:42:30. > :42:35.this is just the beginning. Because of the exploding world population, I
:42:36. > :42:38.don't think it is just about Syria. I am from Dungannon, and we have
:42:39. > :42:41.loads of industries dependent on migrant workers, similar because we
:42:42. > :42:49.are not willing to do the job ourselves. And the man in the
:42:50. > :42:53.glasses. Do think that our jobs and our school places for example would
:42:54. > :42:57.be put under even more stress, especially with part-time jobs, as a
:42:58. > :43:03.student myself surely that is relevant. We have so many empty
:43:04. > :43:06.school desks in Northern Ireland so I don't think we will run out of
:43:07. > :43:10.schools. I think whenever we use this issue of taking our jobs, we
:43:11. > :43:13.have to look at why there is no investment in the neighbourhoods.
:43:14. > :43:14.have to look at why there is no That is part down to Stormont and
:43:15. > :43:19.have to look at why there is no part down to the UK Government. It
:43:20. > :43:27.is not about putting local against migrant. Final word George Galloway.
:43:28. > :43:33.The vast majority of refugees that arrived in Europe last summer came
:43:34. > :43:39.from Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. You don't have to be Einstein to
:43:40. > :43:42.work out what these three countries have in common. So a bit of
:43:43. > :43:43.Christian charity. We have in common. So a bit of
:43:44. > :43:52.create this disastrous problem, have in common. So a bit of
:43:53. > :43:59.people in both Syria and Iraq, in fact more than 1 million people, and
:44:00. > :44:02.so to hear people, you know, as we come up to Easter time, to
:44:03. > :44:07.so to hear people, you know, as we people slamming stable doors and
:44:08. > :44:16.saying, six refugees per constituency is more than enough, it
:44:17. > :44:23.is frankly and unedifying spectacle. George, thank you. Give our guests a
:44:24. > :44:29.I very important debate which will be happening right up until the
:44:30. > :44:32.referendum on June 23. Right, let's lighten the mood now,
:44:33. > :44:35.and our next guest is a man who is never short of something
:44:36. > :44:39.to say and knows all The former X Factor judge
:44:40. > :44:51.is the best-known pop boss MUSIC: Sound Of The Underground
:44:52. > :45:21.by Girls Aloud Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
:45:22. > :45:31.Louis Walsh! CHEERING How are you? Good to see you! It is always good
:45:32. > :45:35.for you to pop in to see us. It is. And the showbiz gossip, cut to the
:45:36. > :45:41.chase, will you go back into X Factor? Honestly, I don't know.
:45:42. > :45:51.Nothing is signed. Do you want to go back in? I would like to. Have you
:45:52. > :45:54.been approached? Simon would like the back.
:45:55. > :46:01.So if the man in charge once you back, and you want to go back, what
:46:02. > :46:04.is stopping it? Lots of politics at ITV and Fremantle, and I would want
:46:05. > :46:10.to go back if it is the same as the old days, fun. Do you dig ITV would
:46:11. > :46:21.like you back? The ratings were down. Why? There was no fun to it. I
:46:22. > :46:27.would love Sharon Osbourne back, I would love Nicol, like it was all
:46:28. > :46:32.those years ago. Do you think the show has lost some of its audience
:46:33. > :46:37.because you were not there? Not because of me, but it has definitely
:46:38. > :46:45.lost some audience. RB at the stage of talking money? No, but I don't do
:46:46. > :46:51.it for the money, I love working with Simon, we are best friends. We
:46:52. > :46:58.are really good friends. But wasn't it Simon who don't you? Indirectly,
:46:59. > :47:02.yes, trying to improve the shore. But you say you are best friends the
:47:03. > :47:08.Simon Cowell, but by which he dumped you? I was there for 11 years, a
:47:09. > :47:21.long time. I thought I was going to miss it, but I would watch TV on
:47:22. > :47:28.Saturday. But I did not miss it. Was it Simon that told you? He said,
:47:29. > :47:36.darling, we are making changes. And that did not change things? No, we
:47:37. > :47:44.managed Westlife together. I was offered a lot more to go back. But I
:47:45. > :47:50.did not want to do it. Tell him I will do it for 50 grand! Do you know
:47:51. > :47:55.who talk the height of not doing it, Simon, he called me and said, do not
:47:56. > :48:02.do it, darling, he calls everyone darling. What will you offer to go
:48:03. > :48:10.into the jungle? Big rowing figures. You said you would tell me. Probably
:48:11. > :48:17.around 1 million. You turn down a million quid? You would eat a
:48:18. > :48:22.cockroach for ?1 million? I tell it like it is. I am a bit of a loose
:48:23. > :48:26.cannon. I say things I shouldn't. That is what would have happened on
:48:27. > :48:32.the shore. But Simon said not to do it. Maybe he will have me back. So
:48:33. > :48:39.people will need to be dumped if you are going back. Were they right to
:48:40. > :48:50.get rid of neck grip shop -- Nick Grimshaw? Yes, she wasn't right.
:48:51. > :48:57.What about Dermot O'Leary? I have a feeling he will come back. As Simon
:48:58. > :49:01.spoken to you about him coming back? I have heard good rumours and I have
:49:02. > :49:08.a good source. What about this lady here?
:49:09. > :49:14.It is Cheryl. You give her this silly song! It was a throwaway
:49:15. > :49:24.performance. She is so much better than this. This could be your last
:49:25. > :49:32.week and it is her fault it! What is it like in real life between
:49:33. > :49:40.you two? Do you like her? Yes, I like her, I don't love her, but I
:49:41. > :49:45.prefer Sharon Osbourne and Nicole. And I think Liam is really talented.
:49:46. > :49:52.He is the one person in the band that will make a great career. There
:49:53. > :49:59.have been rumours, but do you know for a fight? I have only heard
:50:00. > :50:05.rumours. I think Liam will be good for her, he is really musical comedy
:50:06. > :50:13.Gary Barlow of that band. I know you say you are good friends but Simon
:50:14. > :50:18.Cowell. I am. Do you think you will wobble over the ratings? I think
:50:19. > :50:23.that is why he will make changes. He needs to bring it back to what it
:50:24. > :50:28.used to be. But is he warbling, losing confidence if he is not
:50:29. > :50:34.always successful? The always wants to be top dog. She is in America at
:50:35. > :50:44.the moment, doing talent shows on both sides of the Atlantic. May be X
:50:45. > :50:51.Factor should be rested? No. And who cares about The Voice? It has not
:50:52. > :51:00.been successful in the UK. Do you think ITV can have The Voice and X
:51:01. > :51:06.Factor on the same schedule? I think The Voice will follow on from X
:51:07. > :51:14.Factor. The Voice has never had a star, tell me one who has had a head
:51:15. > :51:20.from that anywhere? Tell me! For goodness sake! X Factor as that hat
:51:21. > :51:28.every year. Then eight months later, Simon drops them. -- X Factor has
:51:29. > :51:34.had hits every year. You have had lots of people who have had careers
:51:35. > :51:37.because of the X Factor. Let's talk about you personally. I read you
:51:38. > :51:44.have been losing your hearing, right? I thought I was, because on
:51:45. > :51:48.the auditions two years ago, I could not hear everything. It was because
:51:49. > :51:54.of the live audience. Which I think they should bring back. You need the
:51:55. > :52:01.live audience, you want to get more out of the contestants. My hearing
:52:02. > :52:11.is lucky, and I did and it -- I did an advertisement about hearing aids.
:52:12. > :52:21.Does anyone have a question? Come on! No questions for Louis Walsh?
:52:22. > :52:39.Isn't that really... You ask me a question. What about Boyzlife? There
:52:40. > :52:49.was a rumour about that, but it will never, ever happen! Why? The boys
:52:50. > :52:54.don't want it, and I don't want it. Westlife don't need anybody.
:52:55. > :52:59.don't want it, and I don't want it. and Ronan Keating get on?
:53:00. > :53:04.don't want it, and I don't want it. really. Why? We have moved on to
:53:05. > :53:13.different things. But no, I don't really like him. LAUGHTER
:53:14. > :53:15.different things. But no, I don't at one stage. Yes, I got him off the
:53:16. > :53:22.hits. What happened? We don't agree at one stage. Yes, I got him off the
:53:23. > :53:28.with each other. And my earpiece has gone! Did he not appreciate the work
:53:29. > :53:29.you did for him? A lot of people are ungrateful
:53:30. > :53:41.you saw him in a restaurant which you speak to him? Of course, I would
:53:42. > :53:46.give them the bill! LAUGHTER But life is good. I love the band you
:53:47. > :53:56.have on tonight. They have a good future. They are absolutely class.
:53:57. > :54:02.And now plans to retire? I did a show for ITV called Drive recently.
:54:03. > :54:08.And I am useless. This is the new Top Gear for ITV. And Top Gear and
:54:09. > :54:14.Chris Evans will blow you out of the water!
:54:15. > :54:18.Chris Evans will blow you out of the driving show and you can't drive and
:54:19. > :54:31.you are in it? But the other people are much better. I make do I shall
:54:32. > :54:35.for RTE, an Irish talent show. Why are you laughing? Because you are
:54:36. > :54:41.everywhere. I cannot believe the man who turned down ?1 million for the
:54:42. > :54:44.jungle. It is always good to have you here. Thank you. Dave Louis
:54:45. > :54:51.Walsh around of applause. Well, that's it for another
:54:52. > :54:53.action-packed Nolan Live. Remember, you can continue
:54:54. > :54:55.the conversation with me after the show on Facebook
:54:56. > :55:05.live and on Twitter. We will end the shore with some
:55:06. > :55:12.fantastic live music. Have a look at this. -- the show.
:55:13. > :55:15.# So if I stand in front of a speeding car.
:55:16. > :55:18.# Would you tell me who you are, what you like?
:55:19. > :55:24.# And the secrets are all that we've got so far.
:55:25. > :55:35.# Even the half smile would help slow down the time.
:55:36. > :55:41.# Maybe this is the safest way to go.
:55:42. > :55:43.# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya.
:55:44. > :55:55.# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya.
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:56:17. > :56:28.# Even the half smile would help slow down the time.
:56:29. > :56:34.# Maybe this is the safest way to go.
:56:35. > :56:37.# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya.
:56:38. > :56:48.# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya.
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:56:56. > :56:58.# So if I stand in front of a speeding car.
:56:59. > :57:01.# Would you tell me who you are, what you like?
:57:02. > :57:09.# These secrets are all that we've got so far.
:57:10. > :57:58.# So advertise my, advertise my secret.
:57:59. > :58:02.# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya.
:58:03. > :58:12.# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya.
:58:13. > :58:37.# You go back to him and then I'll go back to her.
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