:00:00. > :00:09.If that is all happening on the big show tonight. Huge changes at
:00:10. > :00:15.Stormont. What difference would think you? I'll be talking to
:00:16. > :00:27.Northern Ireland manager Michael O'Neill. And we all hear one man 's
:00:28. > :00:29.story of living with Tourette's. And it is all happening in front of a
:00:30. > :00:55.live studio audience. We liked this audience tonight.
:00:56. > :01:02.Thank you for joining us on BBC One. Before we start, there are some
:01:03. > :01:08.breaking news. The daily Mirror is reporting a data breach within
:01:09. > :01:12.prison officer details. The chairman of the Prison Officers' Association
:01:13. > :01:17.has told Nolan Live this involves every single member of prison of the
:01:18. > :01:21.staff and in addition, civil servants and contractors. This is
:01:22. > :01:28.what he told us, I can confirm that...
:01:29. > :01:37.We have been working on this for the past hour. A senior government
:01:38. > :01:40.source said they believe the information was only sent to one
:01:41. > :01:46.person. The Department of Justice has confirmed an investigation is
:01:47. > :01:59.underway. In a statement, they said...
:02:00. > :02:05.This is front-page news in the Mirror tomorrow. It is their
:02:06. > :02:10.exclusive. There it is on the front page. I am sure that they will have
:02:11. > :02:18.a lot to say about that tomorrow. First they for the Justice Minister
:02:19. > :02:23.and she has got that happening. It is very worrying for those prison
:02:24. > :02:27.officers and their families, they are big servants and they do a very
:02:28. > :02:32.hard job. Hopefully the investigation will find out that the
:02:33. > :02:37.league has not gone too far. We have to deal with the poison ideology
:02:38. > :02:44.that means prison 's are still being targeted. That is the bigger
:02:45. > :02:47.challenge. I emphasise again that it has undergone to one person but the
:02:48. > :02:53.breach could have gone to many others. I have worked closely with
:02:54. > :02:57.prison officers. They are doing a sterling job for everyone across our
:02:58. > :03:02.community. They will want to hear from the Minister for Justice as
:03:03. > :03:03.soon as the, the full extent of the breach and assurances that
:03:04. > :03:11.everything is being done to isolated. It is power-sharing but
:03:12. > :03:17.not as we know it. With just the DUP and Sinn Fein in power, along with
:03:18. > :03:22.the independent Unionist Claire Sugden as Justice Minster, the other
:03:23. > :03:27.parties all turned down ministries and the new dawn of government and
:03:28. > :03:31.opposition politics. What does it actually mean, Mark Devonport? We
:03:32. > :03:36.will see over the next few weeks and months. It is a different shape to
:03:37. > :03:41.the government. It is dominated now by the big two harpies. Some would
:03:42. > :03:49.say that it always was, but they still had to try and corral these
:03:50. > :03:53.parties in the same direction when they were splitting off in different
:03:54. > :03:58.directions. We might have a lively and noisy assembly floor because we
:03:59. > :04:06.have these parties obviously in opposition, the Ulster union is, the
:04:07. > :04:09.SDLP, the Alliance, and the Greens, the government should be a little
:04:10. > :04:15.bit more coordinated and on message, maybe with fewer leaks, but there
:04:16. > :04:20.will still be that pension between the DUP 's policies and Sinn Fein
:04:21. > :04:26.'s, which many important points they are far apart. If we think about
:04:27. > :04:32.what has happened here, in the justice ministry job, it has had a
:04:33. > :04:38.lot of news coverage. Sinn Fein have gone into government with a party
:04:39. > :04:42.that has said you're not getting the justice ministry job, you're not
:04:43. > :04:48.good enough for it, Sinn Fein don't consider that to be a red line. Some
:04:49. > :04:54.people said that they were pragmatic and went into government anyway. But
:04:55. > :04:59.to say to the nationalist community, your party because of the side
:05:00. > :05:03.you're on will not get that justice ministry job, my goodness, it is a
:05:04. > :05:10.big thing to do. I think it is a problem. 20 years on, that no
:05:11. > :05:14.nationalist need apply and with the best will in the world, I wish
:05:15. > :05:18.Claire Sugden well, and she capable woman with integrity, but why
:05:19. > :05:26.somebody with the mandate of 3000 votes was Ford the boat and a party
:05:27. > :05:29.with 85,000 votes wasn't... But do you think that is really what is
:05:30. > :05:44.being said, no nationalist need apply? It was the right of the SDLP
:05:45. > :05:48.to get that by D'Hondt, but if they are able to tolerate each other in
:05:49. > :05:50.the roles of health and Education Minister they should be able to
:05:51. > :05:57.tolerate each other in other roles. You have to wonder what agenda do
:05:58. > :06:03.they think is going to be followed, the DUP. Why do they not feel that a
:06:04. > :06:08.nationalist is fit for that role? Halo, DUP, sorry you could not come
:06:09. > :06:12.in tonight, hello, everyone in Sinn Fein, sorry you couldn't come into
:06:13. > :06:18.answer any of these questions, but we have many people who watch this
:06:19. > :06:24.show and I promise them that I will continue to ask the question is
:06:25. > :06:29.whether you turn up or not. People are looking at their elected
:06:30. > :06:32.representatives and if you think that I am not asking this question
:06:33. > :06:36.is because you're not here, Sinn Fein, think again. That is a
:06:37. > :06:43.straight message from me. Some of the things that have not advanced in
:06:44. > :06:48.the last nine years, the programme for government has no ambition.
:06:49. > :06:53.There are lots of things like north- south working, like the double lock,
:06:54. > :06:59.that is why the DUP and Sinn Fein don't want SDLP and parties like
:07:00. > :07:04.that to be in the justice ministry. There is no way that Sinn Fein would
:07:05. > :07:09.all right the DUP saying to them, no nationalist need apply, is there?
:07:10. > :07:15.That is what has happened. It is worse than that. We had the stark
:07:16. > :07:18.reality today of a DUP- Sinn Fein dominated executive that has said no
:07:19. > :07:23.at this early stage to reform of the petition of concern that has been
:07:24. > :07:27.used to block progress on key social issues such as marriage equality,
:07:28. > :07:32.for example, no progress on integrated education, noted a map of
:07:33. > :07:36.investment on skills that we need for job creation and no to a core
:07:37. > :07:41.principle framework on dealing with the past. Those are the issues that
:07:42. > :07:47.we will be going to opposition about. As a format Sinn Fein
:07:48. > :07:51.candidate, what do you make of what they have accepted in terms of the
:07:52. > :07:57.DUP 's message to them about justice? If you take it to face
:07:58. > :08:02.value, you could say that the DUP outmanoeuvre Sinn Fein today on the
:08:03. > :08:09.justice ministry. A former Sinn Fein candidate saying that, outmanoeuvre?
:08:10. > :08:14.Taking it at face value, one of the things about Sinn Fein and the DUP,
:08:15. > :08:17.they come to secret agreement sometimes over things. That is why
:08:18. > :08:19.it is going to be important to see the detail of the programme for
:08:20. > :08:24.government. The context is important. We are coming out of a
:08:25. > :08:29.cycle of elections were the nationalist community has declined
:08:30. > :08:35.to vote in increasing numbers. We are at the lowest point in terms of
:08:36. > :08:39.nationalist turnout before the IRA ceasefire. There seems to be a
:08:40. > :08:45.delivery deficit within nationalism. So what did you be seeing that I am
:08:46. > :08:50.not going to allow Sinn Fein the justice ministry, we know the last
:08:51. > :08:55.mandate that should have been set... Arlene Foster is the First Minister,
:08:56. > :08:59.is she not supposed to take everything at face value no matter
:09:00. > :09:04.what their religion is, no matter what their background is, no matter
:09:05. > :09:08.what the politics is, and if a nationalist is the best person for
:09:09. > :09:15.the justice ministry, should Arlene Foster not, in this fresh start, be
:09:16. > :09:19.able to cope with that? Let me look under the table and see if the DUP
:09:20. > :09:29.will answer that! That is being idealistic. We have this because we
:09:30. > :09:32.are divided society. The role of the Deputy First Minister, Mark
:09:33. > :09:35.McGuinness. It is going to be important, the content of the
:09:36. > :09:39.programme for government. Sinn Fein have their own areas. We can see
:09:40. > :09:45.that they have to be seen to deliver on this mandate. That's from the
:09:46. > :09:51.choice of the apartments they took. The DUP can answer from under the
:09:52. > :09:55.table or wherever they are tonight. Just to explain how this came about.
:09:56. > :10:00.You'll remember there was a nightmare story as far as the union
:10:01. > :10:05.were concerned, Jerry Kelly was going to be the next Justice
:10:06. > :10:13.Minister, and when they negotiated the devolution of policing out the
:10:14. > :10:17.notion of having a cross - community election and have David Forde in the
:10:18. > :10:24.job was to avoid having somebody who was a former IRA player sitting in
:10:25. > :10:28.that justice roll. One thing I would say, as Claire Hanna has pointed
:10:29. > :10:34.out, they ended up having to go to extremes, picking out an independent
:10:35. > :10:38.Unionist MLA to carry out the job, but we have seen a generational
:10:39. > :10:41.change in our politicians. We are seeing an echelon of Sinn Fein
:10:42. > :10:45.politicians that don't have the baggage that some of them had in the
:10:46. > :10:50.past. We could look at the next December elections having some
:10:51. > :10:56.normalisation of how you give out justice. The DUP might be calmed by
:10:57. > :11:05.the thought of putting somebody into that job who has a lot of power
:11:06. > :11:10.military baggage. -- paramilitary. The ministers were just seem to come
:11:11. > :11:15.from a qualified legal background. It is a highly qualified technical
:11:16. > :11:19.area. It seems that the only qualification you need here is that
:11:20. > :11:25.you are neither orange nor green and that you fit into a grey area. If
:11:26. > :11:29.you're that she will be lost between her advisers and she will be nothing
:11:30. > :11:34.more than a puppet, Claire Sugden. That is a worry. It is the DUP
:11:35. > :11:41.wanting government on their terms only. We saw the language in the
:11:42. > :11:44.last negotiations, they don't get generosity of spirit, partnership,
:11:45. > :11:48.collaborative working. And that is my worry, because other parties put
:11:49. > :11:53.forward redlines and list of demands, and there was not one. My
:11:54. > :12:00.worry is that they would try to push were around. Who's the minister in
:12:01. > :12:06.charge of Irish language now? That has become part of these big
:12:07. > :12:09.department, the communities. Paul Givan comes from the evangelical
:12:10. > :12:13.wing of the DUP. It'll be interesting to see how he handles of
:12:14. > :12:19.the cultural matters. Pretty sensitive. He is also in charge of
:12:20. > :12:26.policies for gender and sexual orientation. Yes, and he was the DUP
:12:27. > :12:32.politician who dropped the conscience clause bill. That was
:12:33. > :12:40.their attempt to address cases like the Ashes case. Let's see Sinn Fein,
:12:41. > :12:44.Irish language, pretty important you, Europe on the hill, and who is
:12:45. > :12:56.the minister in charge of Irish language? It is a DUP-per. And who's
:12:57. > :13:04.the minister in charge of sexual orientation? It is the DUP. The man
:13:05. > :13:11.with the glasses. I wonder if this could put an end to the orange and
:13:12. > :13:14.green aspect to government in Stormont and we could have a proper
:13:15. > :13:22.government like the one that David Cameron and Nick Clegg put together.
:13:23. > :13:28.There is a point. If Sinn Fein and the DUP could sit together, I don't
:13:29. > :13:37.know. I don't think they are. Westminster is quite unique. Most
:13:38. > :13:40.governments go for this hemicycle. I don't think it should go in shades
:13:41. > :13:45.of green and orange but there is a piece of legislation that is now in
:13:46. > :13:48.law, the bill from John McAllister, putting the opposition structures
:13:49. > :13:52.down, but the first job of the Assembly are supposed to be to move
:13:53. > :13:55.the standing orders. There is nothing about the seating
:13:56. > :14:00.arrangements, but we are in an evolution here.
:14:01. > :14:08.Not for the first time, it was full stop. Back earlier today. They said
:14:09. > :14:15.categorically, they will not sit in a bloc together, like Westminster.
:14:16. > :14:23.They will be sitting on either side. Why not?! They might be sitting in a
:14:24. > :14:27.bloc together right now. We don't know where they are, of course. Part
:14:28. > :14:32.of the reason we have left is because we are frustrated with the
:14:33. > :14:35.squabbles. They see fit to travel the world together, and then when it
:14:36. > :14:40.comes to elections, you're coming after me now. I got carried away
:14:41. > :14:45.Jill coming after you, in what way? What possible type of impact are you
:14:46. > :14:50.going to health sitting on the sidelines? We're going to be able to
:14:51. > :14:55.show that there is an alternative. We are going to be able to
:14:56. > :14:59.scrutinise. It is a mishmash of anything and everything. We are in
:15:00. > :15:05.week one and we are going to set out our ideas. With the Ulster Unionist
:15:06. > :15:10.Party? With the Alliance, with the unionists... Do you agree on gay
:15:11. > :15:17.marriage, on abortion...? Of course we have differences. We are Social
:15:18. > :15:20.Democrats, and yes, the Ulster Unionists were very recently in an
:15:21. > :15:25.alliance with the Conservatives. Of course we're going to differ on a
:15:26. > :15:29.number of things. But that doesn't mean we can't work the acres of
:15:30. > :15:33.common ground which are between us. We will have separate ideas, in the
:15:34. > :15:37.same way as the DUP and Sinn Fein do. But we will show that the
:15:38. > :15:43.government does not have to poke each other in the eye every couple
:15:44. > :15:47.of days. You can find common ground. You were not able to do it when you
:15:48. > :15:51.were in the executive, and you're now trying to convince people you
:15:52. > :15:56.can find common ground in the opposition? Yes, we will work with
:15:57. > :15:59.the Alliance and Greens and others. When you have an executive in place
:16:00. > :16:07.which has rejected progress on so many issues, an opposition is needed
:16:08. > :16:12.by this community to hold the executive to account. One of the
:16:13. > :16:17.biggest rows in this country! Yes, but we did not tear each other's
:16:18. > :16:23.hair out. We put forward a very constructive arguments and
:16:24. > :16:29.amendments. By the way, the amendments we took have now been
:16:30. > :16:35.included in the report. Just a passing comment! We've fully
:16:36. > :16:40.supported the work to make sure that there were robust mitigations in
:16:41. > :16:46.place for welfare reform. There are areas of common ground on that and
:16:47. > :16:54.other issues. We have been talking about Sinn Fein and DUP division all
:16:55. > :16:56.night. But I think the new setup has an opportunity for real
:16:57. > :17:00.accountability for Northern Ireland, and finally, some real scrutiny.
:17:01. > :17:08.Let's say you were in the opposition - what would you like to see change?
:17:09. > :17:12.Talking about democracy. To restore real democracy, we need a removal of
:17:13. > :17:18.the petition of concern. It's not going to happen, though, is it? It
:17:19. > :17:22.has to. The opposition will bring the scrutiny needed. If the DUP are
:17:23. > :17:27.put under pressure, they will have no choice. But the DUP and Sinn Fein
:17:28. > :17:32.got the big mandate, and they've said, no, they are the kings of the
:17:33. > :17:35.castle. They put themselves up in front of the public and the public
:17:36. > :17:41.vote for them in massive numbers. We have to gain more votes by our
:17:42. > :17:45.alternative vision. You should have done that before the election. We
:17:46. > :17:50.are where we are now, we have got five years ahead of us. What about
:17:51. > :17:59.the petition of concern, what impact does it have on you? Well, it takes
:18:00. > :18:02.away the validity of my vote Cherry Hills of I voted for, if they are
:18:03. > :18:07.trying to implement the policies and they have a majority in Stormont,
:18:08. > :18:19.then the policies I voted for cannot go through. That's not democracy.
:18:20. > :18:25.Claire Sugden spoke to you about this, didn't she? She did. Probably
:18:26. > :18:28.the key demand wasn't reforming the petition, like the gentleman was
:18:29. > :18:33.talking about. They say, if you really limit those two specific
:18:34. > :18:36.issues related to community identity, then we will buy into
:18:37. > :18:42.this. Claire Sugden did not set down a wish list. That was is that she
:18:43. > :18:45.felt that would not work. She supports for instance same-sex
:18:46. > :18:50.marriage. She wants to see some changes in relation to abortion. You
:18:51. > :18:55.have been talking to her, so let's see what she was saying to you. I
:18:56. > :19:00.think there's a reality there with the abortion issue in that people
:19:01. > :19:04.are travelling to mainland UK to have terminations. I think we need
:19:05. > :19:07.to have a discussion about that. I will be trying to have those
:19:08. > :19:10.conversations with my executive colleagues to get some kind of
:19:11. > :19:13.constructive change I think in Northern Ireland. So that's
:19:14. > :19:19.abortion. What did she say about same-sex marriage? I would imagine
:19:20. > :19:22.those types of issues would be kept out of the executive, so votes like
:19:23. > :19:27.that will come down to individual MLAs' interest rather than a message
:19:28. > :19:31.coming from the executive. Yes, I would be disappointed. On equal
:19:32. > :19:38.marriage, I have voted consistently in favour of that. But behind closed
:19:39. > :19:41.doors, I will be speaking with the executive and trying to get them to
:19:42. > :19:45.change their mind on those things. It is about building relationships
:19:46. > :19:50.and moving in a way which is amenable to everyone. A subtle
:19:51. > :19:54.approach, she might take? Yes, she said she would be disappointed and I
:19:55. > :19:58.said, what happens if this gets vetoed again? Won't you be accused
:19:59. > :20:04.of being part and parcel of keeping the vetoes in place? Said, instead
:20:05. > :20:10.of just slapping down a wish list, let's work slowly and surely, build
:20:11. > :20:13.relationships, we can make progress. Some may say, that's naive, let's
:20:14. > :20:19.see how the big parties treat her when she is in there, without a big
:20:20. > :20:23.party behind her. But if we get a same-sex marriage vote, where a
:20:24. > :20:27.majority to has voted in favour but it gets vetoed, then things will be
:20:28. > :20:30.returning to tenderness. She has been getting flak because she did
:20:31. > :20:36.slag off the executive not to long ago. She is relatively inexperienced
:20:37. > :20:42.as well. Does it not need someone with a lot more air miles beneath
:20:43. > :20:45.them to take it on? I think part of the problem in Northern Ireland is
:20:46. > :20:50.that we have too many people with too many air miles, actually. Having
:20:51. > :20:53.the youngest executive ever is a good thing. I have been on the other
:20:54. > :20:57.end of Claire Sugden at the committees, and she is intelligent
:20:58. > :21:01.and she stands her ground. I think she has played a blinder to get her
:21:02. > :21:07.hands on the justice ministry. Stands her ground on criticising the
:21:08. > :21:12.executive not long ago, and now she's part of it? And that is
:21:13. > :21:15.healthy, in the sense that she will say what she thinks. The other
:21:16. > :21:18.parties have been part of the executive for all of this time, with
:21:19. > :21:26.all the difference is that they have had. I think she will have a good
:21:27. > :21:33.team around her. She has got a big apartment. There's a lot of people,
:21:34. > :21:38.she will have a lot of support. Don't underestimate her, I wouldn't.
:21:39. > :21:46.She has played a blinder to this extent - she is in power and you two
:21:47. > :21:54.are looking through the window. I also wish Claire Sugden well, but
:21:55. > :21:58.from listening to her interview though, I am no clearer on what her
:21:59. > :22:02.position on these issues will be. She is in favour of same-sex
:22:03. > :22:07.marriage, and pro-abortion. As far as I remember, she did not vote in
:22:08. > :22:12.favour of limited abortion reform at the last motion in the Assembly. I
:22:13. > :22:18.wish well but I am no clearer on what her agenda will be. To be fair
:22:19. > :22:23.to her, to clarify, she is pro-some change, some reform. I think she is
:22:24. > :22:27.well within her rights to try and critique. We did exactly that when
:22:28. > :22:36.we were not on the same page as the executive, we said it. Listening to
:22:37. > :22:44.the debate so far, it is very, very pessimistic. I am just wondering, if
:22:45. > :22:51.there is no joined up, overall plan between Sinn Fein and the DUP as to
:22:52. > :22:58.how to go forward with Stormont mark II and the Assembly, is there a case
:22:59. > :23:04.for direct full? Direct rule?! Savour all the money which is spent
:23:05. > :23:08.on MLAs' expenses... I am just offering that as an alternative to
:23:09. > :23:13.another four or five years of a failed Stormont. It does not have to
:23:14. > :23:26.fail, it can be better. But it is failing. Give our guests around of
:23:27. > :23:30.applause. Now, the history boys of the Northern Ireland football team
:23:31. > :23:33.are preparing for their first ever European Championships. It is the
:23:34. > :23:38.first major tournament we have been at since the 1986 World Cup in
:23:39. > :23:42.Mexico. Before I get all of this flak for saying we, I have never
:23:43. > :23:46.been to Windsor park, I have never watched a Northern Ireland game. I
:23:47. > :23:52.am admitting it. One man who has played a huge part in guiding the
:23:53. > :23:53.team to the Euros is manager Michael O'Neill. I have been to the training
:23:54. > :24:25.camp to meet him. I've never been to a Northern
:24:26. > :24:31.Ireland match in my life. How disgraceful is that? I can't believe
:24:32. > :24:39.that! How have I even agreed to this interview?! I am trapped now,
:24:40. > :24:46.because if I start going now, it will be, his glory hunting. You
:24:47. > :24:52.might be drawing in, though, seriously, a new legion of fans,
:24:53. > :24:56.season ticket holders at Premier League clubs and everything,
:24:57. > :25:00.thinking to themselves, why am I not supporting guys on our own doorstep,
:25:01. > :25:04.clowns like me, never even thought about going to Windsor park? I think
:25:05. > :25:09.there's very few stadiums in the UK where you go in and there is a
:25:10. > :25:13.fantastic atmosphere. Anfield, there is still a great atmosphere. Old
:25:14. > :25:18.Trafford, there isn't, I have to admit. There was, before van Gaal!
:25:19. > :25:25.Before David Moyes! When you go to Windsor park, there is a great
:25:26. > :25:29.atmosphere, and that's something we should be proud of. The national
:25:30. > :25:33.team is supported by both sides of the community. I love it that a boy
:25:34. > :25:37.like me who, I guessed, a lot of what I do for living is talking
:25:38. > :25:41.about what is wrong Northern Ireland, and there is a sense of
:25:42. > :25:45.achievement here already. We looking forward to it. Then you have the
:25:46. > :25:50.likes of Rory McIlory coming down here yesterday's. How important was
:25:51. > :25:54.that to you? It was brilliant, he spoke so powerfully to the players.
:25:55. > :25:57.What did he say to them? You must recognise what you have achieved,
:25:58. > :26:02.how much it means to the people of Northern Ireland. He was there the
:26:03. > :26:06.night we played Greece and he was doubly excited about it. He plans to
:26:07. > :26:11.come to the Germany game as well. When you have someone of his stature
:26:12. > :26:14.in sport, you can see the sense of excitement on the faces of the
:26:15. > :26:18.players as well. It was a fantastic couple of hours. What is it about
:26:19. > :26:25.this wee country of ours that in terms of sport and sports men, we
:26:26. > :26:31.seem to be creating ambition and winners at the very top? Rory spoke
:26:32. > :26:34.about it yesterday's. He said people in general from Northern Ireland are
:26:35. > :26:39.fairly well grounded people. No prima donnas? There is no prima
:26:40. > :26:44.donnas in this squad, trust me. I guessed it is just the background of
:26:45. > :26:52.these lads. Have a look at yourself as a young man and tell me what's in
:26:53. > :26:57.your head. Just press the. COMMENTATOR: Michael O'Neill! They
:26:58. > :27:01.have really deserve that. What is in your head? That was a great night.
:27:02. > :27:05.It was probably the best game that I played, one of the best, for
:27:06. > :27:11.Northern Ireland. I scored a second one towards the end. This is it
:27:12. > :27:19.here, I think. Michael O'Neill! Tremendous goal! Obviously, some of
:27:20. > :27:26.these players are where you were then. What would you say to them,
:27:27. > :27:35.with benefit of hindsight, now? This is something to be cherished, this
:27:36. > :27:41.is an opportunity, maybe somebody we don't expect, can write their own
:27:42. > :27:44.legacy, their own history as a Northern Ireland player. So that is
:27:45. > :27:49.the message amateurish this opportunity and let's make the most
:27:50. > :27:54.of it. What is better, player or manager? Player is always better
:27:55. > :28:01.because you are only concerned about yourself. You can be selfish. As a
:28:02. > :28:06.manager, you can't. But I think success as a manager is more
:28:07. > :28:09.enjoyable than success as a player. Whatever happens in my career, I
:28:10. > :28:14.think it will be very difficult for me to have these types of feelings
:28:15. > :28:19.again, because it's such a personal job. I am getting the chance to take
:28:20. > :28:21.my country to a major finals, which is something which will be difficult
:28:22. > :28:27.to replicate. There is an interesting psychological aspect I
:28:28. > :28:35.think to you. I read an an where you feel that you underperformed as a
:28:36. > :28:42.player and I guess this is your second chance now?
:28:43. > :28:51.It never leaves you as a player. I am not alone. Particularly in my
:28:52. > :28:56.international career, because I got success early on in my career, has
:28:57. > :29:01.an 18-year-old, my aspirations were to continue at that level throughout
:29:02. > :29:05.my career and it was difficult to maintain that level at times. It is
:29:06. > :29:12.not something that makes me unhappy in life. Does it drive you as a
:29:13. > :29:18.manager? It does to an extent. The biggest thing for me as a manager is
:29:19. > :29:22.to do the job the best you can and that is the way that you have to
:29:23. > :29:33.manage now given away the is. Is it stressful? It is, very. Do you feel
:29:34. > :29:37.that stress? Of course you do, yes. I comfort eat, you might have
:29:38. > :29:44.noticed. I am not doing as much at this minute in time. When you're a
:29:45. > :29:49.manager every decision comes back to the manager. Even little things,
:29:50. > :29:53.what times you would leave, what times you would do this, it is
:29:54. > :29:57.important that you get things laid down and you have good reparation.
:29:58. > :30:04.My stress is always around preparation. I like the team to be
:30:05. > :30:10.as well prepared as possible. You come across as a really nice guy.
:30:11. > :30:20.And I think, are you capable of the hairdryer treatment? Do you shout
:30:21. > :30:24.and scream at them? If you say no, I will find a player that says you do.
:30:25. > :30:30.There have been times when things have had to be said. What is your
:30:31. > :30:36.style? Challenging. Of course I shall at them. You have to be frank
:30:37. > :30:43.and honest with them. Even if I don't see things in training that I
:30:44. > :30:49.like, we fought long and hard to get Arsenal 's training ground and I did
:30:50. > :30:52.not like what I was seeing in terms of the standard of training and I
:30:53. > :30:59.said, a lot of work came in to get this, we might as well trained on a
:31:00. > :31:06.bad pitch with holes in the net that is the response. You have to
:31:07. > :31:10.challenge them. The 2015 coach of the year is, we are not Brazil, we
:31:11. > :31:18.are Northern Ireland, Michael O'Neill! How much did it mean to you
:31:19. > :31:24.winning coach of the year? It was fantastic. The atmosphere in the
:31:25. > :31:32.Odyssey that year, how Belfast put on that event, I could not ask for
:31:33. > :31:41.anything more. People think, because I got up and spoke for 25 minutes...
:31:42. > :31:47.They thought I was prepared. I would like to thank my players, AP McCoy
:31:48. > :31:52.and is would like to thank his horses. You're no coach all without
:31:53. > :31:58.your players. I think they were proud of me when I came out of
:31:59. > :32:01.football, my parents, that I had prepared for that, as well, and when
:32:02. > :32:08.I decided to go back into management, I made that decision. I
:32:09. > :32:14.made it with a lot of thought. Talking about family. Interesting
:32:15. > :32:23.tactics. The wives are allowed in. There's a of access permitted. -- a
:32:24. > :32:26.level of. It is not like you ban them, like they are going to be
:32:27. > :32:32.stopped at passport control going into France. What I feel for our
:32:33. > :32:39.players is they are used to having families around them. They are going
:32:40. > :32:46.to be away for 33 days. Some managers ban wives completely. There
:32:47. > :32:50.is an element of that. The Italians are strict about it. Fabio Capello
:32:51. > :32:57.was strict when he was manager of England what it did not work. You
:32:58. > :33:05.cannot put a different culture onto our culture that is culturally
:33:06. > :33:10.different. So will the WAGs be standing outside? We will have
:33:11. > :33:17.access for the lads to see their families. Which Premier League club
:33:18. > :33:22.is after you, then? None of them. I need a more exotic name. I will have
:33:23. > :33:29.to change my name. It is a difficult market to break into. Do you wanted?
:33:30. > :33:34.I enjoy this job. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for
:33:35. > :33:39.me. I don't want to look back in 10-15 years, whenever it is, and
:33:40. > :33:45.say, I did not do that as well as I should have done it, I was thinking
:33:46. > :33:50.about something else. My focuses purely on managing my country at
:33:51. > :33:58.this particular time. McCrory did not get there, McGuinness went down.
:33:59. > :34:04.Ecstasy! What is your dream, Michael? To go as far as we can now,
:34:05. > :34:12.you know? You could not have written the script for this. I imagine
:34:13. > :34:17.getting this team to the lock-out stage, and once you get to that then
:34:18. > :34:28.you do start to dream. My focus has been on, let's try and do a 1982.
:34:29. > :34:37.Still Billy Halton. Arconada, Armstrong! I remember seeing those
:34:38. > :34:43.players. And let's dream if we can create that type of legacy. Can we
:34:44. > :34:49.win this? It is funny. I am personally not looking that far
:34:50. > :34:56.ahead. You must have had something at the back of your head, how far
:34:57. > :34:59.can we go? This team will have to play better and grow through the
:35:00. > :35:04.tournament. But I believe it is capable of doing that. Northern
:35:05. > :35:09.Ireland is good at fighting with itself and finding problems and
:35:10. > :35:14.sometimes I help to do that, but I hope that I can hope to unite behind
:35:15. > :35:19.you all because we wish you the very best. I hope you have an incredible
:35:20. > :35:28.experience. Thank you very much. Fantastic. Thank you. Obviously,
:35:29. > :35:35.given that you have never been to Windsor Park, we have brought you
:35:36. > :35:39.this. The kit man, I am not sure who did the sizing, we hope to see you
:35:40. > :35:45.at Windsor Park, and you must wear this. That is a challenge we have
:35:46. > :35:53.set you. I tell you what we'll do. We will try it on, and just see the
:35:54. > :35:58.lack of fit. I will not take my shirt off. I won't do this to you.
:35:59. > :36:07.Let's see what I will actually look like at Windsor Park. Did you buy
:36:08. > :36:16.the smallest one you could?! I tell you what I am like, like something
:36:17. > :36:22.out of Little Britain. You would look all right in the Kop, dressed
:36:23. > :36:30.like that! APPLAUSE
:36:31. > :36:36.He seemed like a really good guy. I will get my own back with that
:36:37. > :36:40.tight-fitting top. The home game friendly against Belarus is live on
:36:41. > :36:45.BBC Northern Ireland. Good luck to the boys over in France. Just make
:36:46. > :36:50.you aware, there could be some strong language coming up. Talking
:36:51. > :36:56.about what it is like living with Tourette's. My next guest has the
:36:57. > :37:02.condition, he is Lewis from East Belfast. He has been making online
:37:03. > :37:03.videos to raise awareness of his condition and removing the stigma
:37:04. > :37:31.that can be attached to it. Do you like your job? No, I have
:37:32. > :37:50.never liked that! Getting told to F off everyday! F off, banker!
:37:51. > :37:59.It does actually mean a lot to me. What advice would give you if you
:38:00. > :38:07.had Tourette's? My advice to you would be don't let it get you down.
:38:08. > :38:18.Be yourself 100%. Don't let it change you, don't let it make you
:38:19. > :38:25.feel worse off than anybody else. Being different is not a bad thing.
:38:26. > :38:42.Being different is a great thing. Here is Lewis, ladies and gentlemen!
:38:43. > :39:02.Not bad. For goodness sake. You should get a real job! UC... Here is
:39:03. > :39:10.the score. You're a lovely fellow. And actually, actually, right, you
:39:11. > :39:20.are lovely fellow, and beyond these tics I want to find out what it is
:39:21. > :39:30.like living with this. Family! What is it like living with that
:39:31. > :39:38.everyday. It changes the way you think about stuff. For the start for
:39:39. > :39:44.me it was terrifying. Some amazing people around me, though. What
:39:45. > :39:51.happened is you went into hospital with a sore shoulder? I was at
:39:52. > :39:57.school and I started to get a little twitch, just like that. And it
:39:58. > :40:03.turned into Mike, a little spasm sort of thing. Mike and he took me
:40:04. > :40:08.right up to the hospital. Went to the hospital and got the best drugs
:40:09. > :40:12.I have ever had in my life, I swear to God. I was seeing things, and
:40:13. > :40:17.that was great. I woke up the next day and still had that twitch, and
:40:18. > :40:29.it went from arm to arm, and from late to leg. When did the verbal
:40:30. > :40:34.tics start? The next day. It is absolutely terrifying. I am glad
:40:35. > :40:42.that I have got the people around me that I have. Did you ever have any
:40:43. > :40:50.stages were you thought to yourself, I can't handle this? It is never
:40:51. > :40:54.going to completely sink in that my life has changed. I still think I
:40:55. > :41:09.can do things that I probably should not be doing. What is it like for
:41:10. > :41:15.example walking through an airport? Isis! Is that what happens when you
:41:16. > :41:27.walk through an airport? That could be... I am smuggling drugs! Do you
:41:28. > :41:32.want some? No, I don't. See you after the show. What happens, then?
:41:33. > :41:40.When you're walking through an airport. What reaction do you get?
:41:41. > :41:45.Do people understand? At the start I was terrified to leave their house.
:41:46. > :41:51.For the first four months, I made every excuse possible not to leave.
:41:52. > :41:55.Then I just came to the point where I thought, I cannot do it like this
:41:56. > :42:00.any more, no point sitting around their house gazing about. My life
:42:01. > :42:07.changed as soon as I left possible. I thought, a couple of people from
:42:08. > :42:15.East Belfast... Let me tell you what this young man has for the videos he
:42:16. > :42:19.has put on you Tube. He has over 100 million views. Isn't that
:42:20. > :42:28.incredible? Isn't that incredible? APPLAUSE
:42:29. > :42:36.What that must be doing in its own right for an understanding of your
:42:37. > :42:41.disability. I get people talking to me every day saying that it is
:42:42. > :42:47.helping them find out what Tourette's is, and to know more
:42:48. > :42:55.about the disorder. People with Tourette's, I have only had it for
:42:56. > :42:59.one year, but this is me, yes? I have had this one here for three
:43:00. > :43:05.months. People have had it their whole lives. Do you have a job or
:43:06. > :43:16.are you at school still? I am doing work experience. It is absolutely
:43:17. > :43:25.amazing shop. That is credit to the shop, to bring you in. I have a job
:43:26. > :43:35.before. I used to teach kids kick boxing. Then when the tics
:43:36. > :43:43.starter... Is that what you're into? I used to compete at kick Oxon. And
:43:44. > :43:45.you had to stop? I cannot fight any more because I would never pass a
:43:46. > :44:01.medical. David took me on, and he has given
:44:02. > :44:06.me a really big opportunity. You can't drive? No! That would be fun,
:44:07. > :44:12.can you imagine that?! Can you imagine the road rage?! . What is
:44:13. > :44:17.your advice to people at home that might have a disability like this?
:44:18. > :44:25.Do not let it change you. Whenever it changes you, you... Stand up to
:44:26. > :44:28.it, be yourself. Always keep the people around you that were there
:44:29. > :44:34.before. Keep the people around you from day one. And I guarantee, I
:44:35. > :44:40.promise you now, put my life on the line, it won't faze you at all. What
:44:41. > :44:53.I want to say to all at home is that obviously, part and parcel of this
:44:54. > :44:56.disability... Obviously, part and parcel of this disability is that
:44:57. > :45:01.Lewis cannot control what he can say. So I would apologise if some of
:45:02. > :45:07.the bad language has offended anyone at home. But I will say this joker I
:45:08. > :45:13.would defend every second of this charismatic young man being in this
:45:14. > :45:17.studio. And there's another thought in my head. There are some
:45:18. > :45:25.politicians that don't walk in here because... Gerry Adams! And he's not
:45:26. > :45:29.one of them! Because they do not want a question asked of them that
:45:30. > :45:34.they don't like. And this man has had the bravery to coming here
:45:35. > :45:48.tonight. And for that I'm really grateful, sir, thank you. Well done,
:45:49. > :45:52.brilliant. Right, the 4-part drama import the secret on ITV ended last
:45:53. > :45:59.week. It was a huge ratings winner but it also came in for criticism.
:46:00. > :46:04.Starring James Nesbitt, it was based on the story of convicted killers
:46:05. > :46:11.who murdered their spouses and kept the death secret for 18 years and
:46:12. > :46:35.let's see a clip from it. I've murdered my wife. What Hazel
:46:36. > :46:41.and I were doing has caused so much pain to Lesley and Trevor, I thought
:46:42. > :46:48.a divorce would cause the children too much suffering. In my mind, it
:46:49. > :46:58.was much worse for Lesley and Trevor to live than to die. So I made a
:46:59. > :47:07.plan to kill them, and to make it look like suicide. Joining me now,
:47:08. > :47:12.two commentators, including one of them who starred as an extra in it
:47:13. > :47:18.and now regrets it? I think I do. I am a hard man, I can do a lot of
:47:19. > :47:21.things but I do believe there was gratuitous sex, gratuitous violence
:47:22. > :47:25.in that, and we have imposed a legacy on three separate lots of
:47:26. > :47:29.children. When they grow up, that will still be with them. I think
:47:30. > :47:33.that was wrong, I think it was a mistake, and it did not need to be
:47:34. > :47:38.done. It could have been done with more subtlety, could have been made
:47:39. > :47:44.even more exciting perhaps than that explicit stuff. It was unnecessary.
:47:45. > :47:48.Many on ITV would say, as with other broadcasters, there are so many
:47:49. > :47:53.dramas which are based on real life. Yes, but that is raw, constant, and
:47:54. > :47:56.over the hill. It was a number of years ago, but everybody knew about
:47:57. > :48:00.it. It is in Northern Ireland culture, it is still there, we know
:48:01. > :48:07.about it. One of the arguments is that it is too soon? 25 years is not
:48:08. > :48:13.too soon. The court case was only a couple of years ago. And the court
:48:14. > :48:18.case still drags on because Hazel is still wanting to get a retrial. You
:48:19. > :48:23.were an extra so you knew what the story was going to be. You have a
:48:24. > :48:28.problem with the sex scenes and scenes of a graphic, violent nature,
:48:29. > :48:32.because that is the real story? Are you going to edit it? That was the
:48:33. > :48:37.story and I thought it was done really superbly. Your husband was an
:48:38. > :48:43.extra in it as well. And so was I, but I hit the cutting room floor.
:48:44. > :48:48.The bottom line is, it was a great portrayal of an engrossing story.
:48:49. > :48:53.What about the offence caused to some of the victims' families. That
:48:54. > :48:58.was caused whenever these atrocities were carried out, not that ITV chose
:48:59. > :49:02.to make it into a dramatisation of a book by Derek Henderson, who spent
:49:03. > :49:06.six years meticulously researching the story and lived through the
:49:07. > :49:12.trials. This was all in the public domain. Callum what one of the
:49:13. > :49:29.victims' families have said. When it comes up on the screen...
:49:30. > :49:38.I mean, it is very sad. No, it is worse than sad. How many real-life
:49:39. > :49:42.crimes have been portrayed on the small screen and the big screen
:49:43. > :49:47.throughout the world, over time? You could talk about many of them. These
:49:48. > :49:52.things happen. It is unfortunate, there is an appetite for this type
:49:53. > :49:57.of drama. And I'm sure that... If you ask some of the victims, I bet
:49:58. > :50:02.they have watched similar programmes and traumatise Asians of heinous
:50:03. > :50:07.crimes. I was an extra in it. All I did was three days work and I got
:50:08. > :50:12.three seconds. I had no idea what the total picture was. It was just
:50:13. > :50:16.one little world in a galaxy of shots, that is all it was. I had no
:50:17. > :50:21.idea what the plot was or anything. I just did my job. You did know. I
:50:22. > :50:28.knew what the baseline was, but when I saw it in the four episodes, I was
:50:29. > :50:32.appalled and shocked and heartbroken for the things that we did to the
:50:33. > :50:40.children. I want to go to the audience. The lady here, you were a
:50:41. > :50:44.patient of Colin Howell, is that right? Yes, for about four or five
:50:45. > :50:51.years. What did you make of him? I thought he was quite nice man. He
:50:52. > :50:54.was quite withdrawn. He was not an approachable man as such. He would
:50:55. > :51:00.not have cracked a joke or anything, you look quite withdrawn into
:51:01. > :51:04.himself. You thought he was a nice guy at the time. Obviously, you do
:51:05. > :51:08.not think that now but there was something you could not put your
:51:09. > :51:14.finger on, so what was that about him? I don't know, just his persona.
:51:15. > :51:21.Some saw him as being arrogant, but I found him more sad. Withdrawn?
:51:22. > :51:25.Yes, very withdrawn. And then when you heard the news that the man that
:51:26. > :51:30.you had sat in his dentist's chair, what impact did that have new?
:51:31. > :51:36.Shock, I suppose the whole community was shocked. He was a well liked man
:51:37. > :51:42.within the town of Ballymoney. The guy in the glasses, go ahead. I am a
:51:43. > :51:48.big fan of James Nesbitt, I enjoyed watching The Secret on television. I
:51:49. > :51:51.don't think the drama was insensitive, because it actually
:51:52. > :51:56.portrayed the events. It has been raised in the Commons. It was
:51:57. > :52:01.actually the guy in the glasses just behind you, go ahead. I enjoyed the
:52:02. > :52:07.show, it was very well done. I understand everything that was
:52:08. > :52:13.portrayed. But don't understand why now, Colin Howell has put himself on
:52:14. > :52:21.hunger strike. That is a completely different issue. The guy here... I
:52:22. > :52:25.have not seen the show, but I know that TV shows are made for
:52:26. > :52:29.entertainment. I don't think that people who want to watch the show
:52:30. > :52:34.can watch it for entertainment but I do not see why the family... That is
:52:35. > :52:38.a very hard message for the victim of a family here, that people will
:52:39. > :52:44.be watching it for entertainment? There are a lot of true stories
:52:45. > :52:49.based on facts. But it is a show at the end of the day, just like this
:52:50. > :52:54.show. What I'm saying is that... It was a Labour MP who raised this in
:52:55. > :52:58.the House of Commons. It is actually a Labour MP who recently got a
:52:59. > :53:03.response from the Prime Minister, David Cameron. They are now having
:53:04. > :53:07.to relay this pain because ITV are dramatising their whole ordeal,
:53:08. > :53:13.completely against her wishes, using not only the real names of her
:53:14. > :53:16.family but also her own. I will discuss this case with the Culture
:53:17. > :53:19.Secretary and bring it to his attention and see if there's
:53:20. > :53:25.anything else, other than the conversation she has had with ITV
:53:26. > :53:28.and Ofcom, that can be done. Should the Prime Minister be getting
:53:29. > :53:34.involved in this? It was already screened and available to watch, and
:53:35. > :53:44.it will probably get nominated and awarded, probably a BAFTA. James
:53:45. > :53:49.Nesbitt, it was a huge performance, no doubt. Even as he walked past the
:53:50. > :53:56.jury, you could sense that he was in the character. It took it out of him
:53:57. > :54:01.as well. I think it did, but but does not justify what we did, that
:54:02. > :54:05.display to the children. I think the platform and profile it is giving to
:54:06. > :54:08.something which has caused a lot of outrage and hurt a lot of families,
:54:09. > :54:13.I think it makes it questionable viewing for people at home. It could
:54:14. > :54:17.encourage people... So you believe in censorship, any real-life story
:54:18. > :54:23.which involves murder all crime, can't be shown? It could encourage
:54:24. > :54:26.people of suspect minds to engage in that because they think there is
:54:27. > :54:31.some attraction to that because of its high profile coverage on
:54:32. > :54:38.television. You could say that about soap operas. But this one is true.
:54:39. > :54:43.But he is saying, if you watch something on the small screen, you
:54:44. > :54:48.might copy it. That's not true. If you're watching a soap, you know it
:54:49. > :54:56.is something which is made up. This guy was obviously mentally unstable
:54:57. > :55:00.for he committed the crimes. Surely when you went to be an extra, you
:55:01. > :55:03.did not think you were going to be in a Disney film, you must have read
:55:04. > :55:07.the script or at least part of it and knowing the background. Saying
:55:08. > :55:12.that now is Abate after the horse has bolted. No, it is not. The
:55:13. > :55:16.script is only on a need-to-know basis. Somebody being an extra would
:55:17. > :55:25.not have a clue about the whole story. But you knew the story? I
:55:26. > :55:28.knew the general story but I did not know about the struggle when they
:55:29. > :55:58.gassed each other. We have got a statement here.
:55:59. > :56:03.OK, that is all we have got time for in this debate, I'm afraid. We will
:56:04. > :56:09.continue talking about it on Twitter. Before we go, we have a
:56:10. > :56:14.musical treat. They have hotfooted it off stage from the grand Opera
:56:15. > :56:32.house. Ladies and gentlemen, here they are, it's Footloose!
:56:33. > :56:39.Darling, your boyfriend has two left feet, and you had no idea? Nun!
:56:40. > :56:50.Didn't he sweep you off your feet? Not yet! It is not like that with me
:56:51. > :56:52.and will art. No, really. Willard has a lot of hidden talents. I mean,
:56:53. > :56:56.just look at him! # My baby, he don't talk
:56:57. > :57:01.sweet # He ain't got much
:57:02. > :57:03.to say # But he loves me,
:57:04. > :57:07.loves me, loves me # I know
:57:08. > :57:09.that he loves me anyway # But I don't really mind
:57:10. > :57:15.he don't dress fine # Cos every time
:57:16. > :57:18.he pulls me near I just wanna cheer # Oh,
:57:19. > :57:25.let's give the boy a hand # Let's hear
:57:26. > :57:37.it for my baby # Oh, maybe he's no Romeo
:57:38. > :57:42.you gotta understand # But he's my
:57:43. > :57:44.lovin' one-man show # Oh, whoa,
:57:45. > :58:10.let's hear it for the boy # He's watchin' every dime
:58:11. > :58:17.may not be rich # But he loves me, loves me,
:58:18. > :58:21.loves me # We always have a real good
:58:22. > :58:25.time # But that's all right by me,
:58:26. > :58:32.yeah # Let's hear it for my baby
:58:33. > :58:48.he does so well, makes me wanna yell # But he's my lovin' one-man
:58:49. > :58:57.show # Oh, whoa, let's hear it
:58:58. > :59:10.for the boy # Cos every time
:59:11. > :59:20.he pulls me near I just wanna cheer # You know you gotta
:59:21. > :59:31.understand # Oh, maybe he's no Romeo But he's
:59:32. > :59:33.my lovin' one-man show # Oh, whoa
:59:34. > :59:37.let's hear it for the boy # Let's
:59:38. > :59:54.hear it for the boy