:00:00. > :00:00.Paramilitaries here still ruling the roost.
:00:00. > :00:07.But should police work with community leaders
:00:08. > :00:09.with paramilitary links or is time to take a harder line?
:00:10. > :00:13.We have the amazing story of a woman on the road to recovery
:00:14. > :00:19.We'll also be debating how old is too old for skimpy swimwear
:00:20. > :00:24.and talking to the brainboxes from hit quiz show The Chase.
:00:25. > :00:58.And it's all in front of a live Nolan audience.
:00:59. > :01:02.The blueprint for getting rid of paramilitaries once
:01:03. > :01:08.Among the proposals in the independent panel report
:01:09. > :01:10.is that the Executive helps former terrorists in relation to jobs,
:01:11. > :01:19.financial services and travel, including visas to the USA.
:01:20. > :01:22.And it says the Executive and PSNI should review how they engage
:01:23. > :01:29.One of the authors of the report told me earlier today that the UVF,
:01:30. > :01:37.Why is that the case 18 years on from the Good Friday Agreement
:01:38. > :01:41.and why are some communities still in the grip of fear because
:01:42. > :01:55.Is that the reality for us, they still rule the roost? They still
:01:56. > :02:07.inflict fear? They are not frightened of anyone? It would
:02:08. > :02:16.appear so. The INLA used to stand for I Never Leave Ireland Alive.
:02:17. > :02:24.They clearly feel they have an influence over people. You see some
:02:25. > :02:28.progress apparently being made by the police and people getting
:02:29. > :02:31.arrested. You nearly always expect the news the next day that the
:02:32. > :02:41.person has been released and nothing is advanced. You expect trouble all
:02:42. > :02:44.cars to be burnt out and, David, how have we got to the stage where the
:02:45. > :02:52.paramilitaries seem to have the upper hand? Or is that fair? That is
:02:53. > :03:00.the real question 18 years after the Good Friday agreement why we haven't
:03:01. > :03:09.moved, from a culture of lawfulness to a culture of lawlessness. You
:03:10. > :03:13.were Justice Minister for years, let me remind you. We didn't need a
:03:14. > :03:20.report to point that out so what is going on that we can't as a
:03:21. > :03:25.society... That politicians can't put them where they need to be, or
:03:26. > :03:32.the police? The courts can put people where they need to be. I
:03:33. > :03:39.suspect it's because evidence isn't available. We are seeking to move
:03:40. > :03:42.forward. We did a lot of work around organised crime which, if we can get
:03:43. > :03:48.the funding for the appropriate level of campaign, we will explain
:03:49. > :03:54.to people that the dodgy DVD that they think is a bargain is actually
:03:55. > :03:57.funding paramilitary activity and sometimes human trafficking because
:03:58. > :04:01.organised crime and the paramilitary groups run together. One of the big
:04:02. > :04:07.questions I am asking you at home tonight and in the studio, I'll be
:04:08. > :04:11.turning to much of a blind eye? Do we think to ourselves, there are
:04:12. > :04:15.people of influence there so we will turn a blind eye to who they really
:04:16. > :04:20.are because they can stop some of the troubled they strut with power
:04:21. > :04:27.in their communities? They are serial killers. If this was
:04:28. > :04:31.happening anywhere else they would be arrested but here it not
:04:32. > :04:37.happening. I feel the police and the criminal people are afraid of them
:04:38. > :04:41.and that's it. Some people might not know who you are and there is a
:04:42. > :04:48.tragic story behind who you are. Maybe you want to tell them about
:04:49. > :04:55.your father? My father was shot dead by dissident republicans a few weeks
:04:56. > :05:02.ago. The people who are a of it having been caught and probably will
:05:03. > :05:10.be. Why do you say that? It is fear, complete fear. I am Joanne. People
:05:11. > :05:14.probably know us from the TV and things. It's not just one or two
:05:15. > :05:25.people. It's groups working together. If the groups are going to
:05:26. > :05:34.start on everyone else... Your husband was 33. Yes, we had four
:05:35. > :05:42.kids. Their grief and my own grief. What happened? Well, the night
:05:43. > :05:53.before it was Sean's 17th birthday and there was a call to the door and
:05:54. > :05:57.they wanted in. Michael turned and asked what it was about. I got
:05:58. > :06:03.behind the door and stop them from getting in because the three kids
:06:04. > :06:06.were upstairs sleeping. It was a birthday so we weren't letting them
:06:07. > :06:17.in and the police loved the next day. The next day, we went searching
:06:18. > :06:20.for answers. He wasn't told anything. He wasn't told why they
:06:21. > :06:27.were after him and what he was supposed to have done. There was no
:06:28. > :06:30.reason given. We went searching for answers and people Michael thought
:06:31. > :06:37.he could trust but he couldn't. They came back that afternoon and they
:06:38. > :06:42.told Michael to meet them at this alleyway at ten o'clock. And in the
:06:43. > :06:48.alleyway, what did they do to your father? They shot him dead. He bled
:06:49. > :06:59.to death in my arms. I remember trying so hard to save him. I knew
:07:00. > :07:04.what they were shouting. In northern Irish society, it is just another
:07:05. > :07:10.paramilitary attack. It's in the news for a day or two and it
:07:11. > :07:16.disappears but it's your dad. Do you think the police know the name of
:07:17. > :07:23.the people or the person who fired the shot? No. I think they know
:07:24. > :07:35.who's connected but they need that more from people. More evidence. Do
:07:36. > :07:42.you think people in York community if they could help they would do
:07:43. > :07:51.that. To some extent. Michael wanted to protect us also. How angry are
:07:52. > :07:54.you about the attitude towards paramilitary, including the
:07:55. > :07:58.dissidents? It's disgusting because I don't know how they look at
:07:59. > :08:02.themselves in the mirror. If I shot somebody I would have blood on my
:08:03. > :08:08.hands and I wouldn't be able to face the people I loved. That's what they
:08:09. > :08:15.face every day so I'm happy I don't have to do that. Are you frightened
:08:16. > :08:20.speaking at against them? Not in so many words. I'm frightened with the
:08:21. > :08:26.names and stuff and you're not allowed to release any of that,
:08:27. > :08:31.but... She's doing it for her daddy and we're doing it for Michael. Not
:08:32. > :08:36.just Michael but everyone else as well. I come back to the first
:08:37. > :08:41.question, are we in different to this now? The vast majority of us
:08:42. > :08:46.will feel sorry for you and will empathise, but would we react
:08:47. > :08:52.differently to a non-paramilitary style murder? Do we take it it is
:08:53. > :08:56.part and parcel of our society that paramilitaries get away with this?
:08:57. > :09:04.They do get away with it. They get away with taking protection money to
:09:05. > :09:11.this very day. Is it all about money and that is why there are doing it?
:09:12. > :09:17.By the way, the police have given us a statement tonight about this case.
:09:18. > :09:29.Detective cheese -- Chief Inspector Alan
:09:30. > :09:36.how the public will be scared to speak out because they have the
:09:37. > :09:43.upper hand! That is why we need to tackle it at every level. Flags have
:09:44. > :09:46.been going up this week and people assume it is paramilitaries. It's
:09:47. > :09:53.done without community consent -- consent. That's part of the rule of
:09:54. > :09:57.law. That is why we need to ensure we use the report and build on it
:09:58. > :10:03.and build a culture of lawfulness and we don't tolerate that will stop
:10:04. > :10:06.you look at the recommendations and you have seen a copy... The
:10:07. > :10:11.recommendations are that we help some of these paramilitaries get
:10:12. > :10:19.jobs and go to America! There is an issue about getting individuals away
:10:20. > :10:23.and some of it may be unpalatable but is better than working with
:10:24. > :10:26.organisations. Organised crime gang needs to be treated as such and the
:10:27. > :10:32.full force of the law needs to be applied. But we need to ensure the
:10:33. > :10:35.Housing executive district manager doesn't tolerate things for a quiet
:10:36. > :10:38.life and neither does the road service engineer. We have to ensure
:10:39. > :10:45.we take this report seriously from now and build a complete consensus.
:10:46. > :10:50.People must have had briefings, so you tell me, what is the extent of
:10:51. > :10:53.the extortion and racketeering and collection of protection money in
:10:54. > :10:58.Northern Ireland by these paramilitaries? I haven't had
:10:59. > :11:03.detailed briefings on that so I can't give you figures. There is
:11:04. > :11:07.definitely extortion and petty crime becoming major crime, drug dealing
:11:08. > :11:15.and turf wars over drugs and that is linked to organised crime. I want to
:11:16. > :11:21.ask, why is it that 18 years after the Good Friday agreement has it
:11:22. > :11:26.taken so long? It doesn't make sense. Are they trying to get rid of
:11:27. > :11:37.them? I don't know. Why has it taken so long? They shouldn't be in the
:11:38. > :11:42.communities. Personally I think there isn't enough being done and
:11:43. > :11:46.there never will be. We asked the police to come here, by the way, and
:11:47. > :11:50.the fact they don't even want to discuss this issue on the programme
:11:51. > :11:55.of how they are policing paramilitaries. They've given a
:11:56. > :11:59.statement, but it is a big conversation for them that we would
:12:00. > :12:03.want to have with them. Why on earth would they not come here and what
:12:04. > :12:08.would they say if they were here is that it's beyond them. That it needs
:12:09. > :12:16.to be the community working with them. Put the blame on the people. I
:12:17. > :12:19.don't think they do enough with any information given to the police. I
:12:20. > :12:37.was born in 1988 -- 1998. OK. I would be proud of the panel's idea
:12:38. > :12:41.about giving these people jobs because it is only if we can
:12:42. > :12:45.encourage them to leave terrorism and show them life outside terrorism
:12:46. > :12:48.that we would get more people to leave and provide a better future
:12:49. > :12:54.for them and Northern Ireland ultimately. What about our lives? My
:12:55. > :13:01.money can't go to work because she is left looking after four children.
:13:02. > :13:06.I don't know why these people who have allsorts of mental disabilities
:13:07. > :13:10.which I am sure they do, should be able to let go on the streets and
:13:11. > :13:19.work with people who are saying. I don't understand.
:13:20. > :13:34.I kind of agree with you. This is mentioned in the report. The police
:13:35. > :13:38.contact with community leaders, some community leaders will have
:13:39. > :13:42.influence with paramilitary groups, some of them will have knowledge of
:13:43. > :13:47.paramilitary groups, some of them might have a deep and intimate
:13:48. > :13:51.knowledge. Rather than the police sticking them in jail, the police go
:13:52. > :13:56.up and ask them would they mind keeping some of their boys choir
:13:57. > :14:03.some nights. It is not just the -- quiet some nights. It is not just
:14:04. > :14:07.the police. It was clear that certain people were calling to exert
:14:08. > :14:11.their influence as to what would not happen in terms of opening up
:14:12. > :14:17.arrangements across an interface structure, which was in disagreement
:14:18. > :14:21.with local people. The DOJ went to individual houses to talk to people
:14:22. > :14:26.to get past those gatekeepers and that's what we need to do to stop
:14:27. > :14:30.people having influence they have no right to do, to ensure the voice of
:14:31. > :14:32.ordinary people comes through and not the self appointed gangsters who
:14:33. > :14:39.call themselves community representatives. Some of them are
:14:40. > :14:43.working tirelessly for peace and absolutely doing it for no money
:14:44. > :14:49.whatsoever, trying to stop violence, and if they have influences that not
:14:50. > :14:56.the way to go? Except when you talk to members of the loyalist
:14:57. > :15:09.paramilitary organisations they come at the same lines about a boring
:15:10. > :15:16.crime -- how they are poorer crime -- are against crime. The peace
:15:17. > :15:22.process started with the assumption that you wouldn't wean people off
:15:23. > :15:30.violence. We are more than 18 years on. It is not working. It started
:15:31. > :15:33.off with policing predicated on gathering intelligence rather than
:15:34. > :15:40.evidence so that you could manage things. Therefore there was not a
:15:41. > :15:43.proper custom of gathering evidence and convicting people. Then you went
:15:44. > :15:50.into the politics of cutting some slack and there was never a line
:15:51. > :15:58.drawn that said that sit, game over. The peace process is over. In terms
:15:59. > :16:05.of paramilitaries, the DUP don't want to talk about how they are
:16:06. > :16:08.tackling it, Sinn Fein are the same. It is interesting when you look at a
:16:09. > :16:15.subject like this and you say to those parties in government now, how
:16:16. > :16:18.are you tackling paramilitaries and they don't have anyone who wants to
:16:19. > :16:25.talk about that. About people getting killed? About businesses
:16:26. > :16:32.getting extorted? And you don't think he wants to talk about that?
:16:33. > :16:37.This report has about 43 recommendations. How are they going
:16:38. > :16:42.to be implemented in everyday life was like and how are they going to
:16:43. > :16:47.succeed? What do you think should happen? Let's focus on the issue of
:16:48. > :16:53.the police liaising with community leaders. If some of those leaders
:16:54. > :16:59.have links to paramilitaries, is that the right thing to do? I
:17:00. > :17:08.wouldn't be too sure. What do you think? I was going to say, I was
:17:09. > :17:31.going to widen it a bit. I was going to say how the PSNI has been wound
:17:32. > :17:40.down and all the stations have been cut back. Major cutbacks with the
:17:41. > :17:49.stations. We'll hold that point. Die here, go ahead. -- the guy here.
:17:50. > :17:52.Their lives have been devastated by criminals and personally I believe
:17:53. > :18:02.that though police have been pursuing the people who are laying
:18:03. > :18:06.waste to these societies rather than -- should be pursuing the people
:18:07. > :18:14.rather than rewarding them for being criminals. Is it strange there are
:18:15. > :18:15.all these people giving statements but there is no time to send anyone
:18:16. > :18:51.in? Here is another statement. The question to the police tonight
:18:52. > :18:54.is shouldn't you be talking to community leaders who have
:18:55. > :19:01.connection with paramilitaries? Do you think so? I actually think they
:19:02. > :19:08.should be pursuing them and bringing them before courts. They should be
:19:09. > :19:11.made to pay for the crimes they are committing in communities. I don't
:19:12. > :19:16.believe they should be liaising with them. I will certainly give young
:19:17. > :19:23.people and other option, a way out of that cycle of criminality but
:19:24. > :19:26.those people committing crimes in their communities absolutely should
:19:27. > :19:33.not be liaised with, they should be pursued. Do you support the police
:19:34. > :19:37.liaising with them? I made it clear that we avoided as far as we could,
:19:38. > :19:42.and clearly there are issues that kept coming up, but we avoided
:19:43. > :19:48.liaising. Do the police have resources to go after people? No
:19:49. > :19:52.doubt part of the problem in the last couple of years has been the
:19:53. > :19:57.reduction of front line community policing because of budget cuts
:19:58. > :20:02.imposed by the executive. We were supposed to have a funding deal. It
:20:03. > :20:05.was torn up by the finance department and further cuts were
:20:06. > :20:11.imposed which meant the police had bigger cuts and they had to withdraw
:20:12. > :20:14.from the kind of leasing which ensures police officers are on the
:20:15. > :20:19.ground in places where they are seen to be the people in charge and not
:20:20. > :20:22.these self appointed gangsters. There is a challenge to get police
:20:23. > :20:28.officers back in liaison with the real community. I think it might
:20:29. > :20:38.have gone over the heads of some people, some of the lines in the
:20:39. > :20:43.report that the UDF, UDA, INLA, they are still recruiting. We have this
:20:44. > :20:53.fresh start, but they are actively recruiting new people. To do what?
:20:54. > :20:56.Goodness knows. We had a system where we would allow people some
:20:57. > :21:03.degree of slack up to a point and it was called the peace process. You
:21:04. > :21:05.can't criticise the police for meeting with paramilitary leaders
:21:06. > :21:12.when secretaries of state did so. Tony Blair did. It was in the
:21:13. > :21:21.grammar of the peace process that was how it would work for a time. It
:21:22. > :21:26.shouldn't be happening in 2016. You have lost your dad and husband to
:21:27. > :21:31.paramilitaries. What do you think about the attitude towards
:21:32. > :21:35.paramilitaries? I would like to say to the police and everybody else,
:21:36. > :21:39.just everybody, what are we teaching our kids for the future? What did we
:21:40. > :21:46.say when they are bullied in school? To be not stand up to the Belize and
:21:47. > :21:49.try overcome our fears? I am terrified of them. They could come
:21:50. > :21:54.up and shoot us any time. At the same time we have to teach our kids
:21:55. > :21:58.they can't be ruled by bullies. What are the police doing? Do they not
:21:59. > :22:05.have the equipment to sort the people out? Are you saying that
:22:06. > :22:12.police can't help? They are incapable of helping anybody? I'm
:22:13. > :22:21.not saying they are incapable. The problem is that the cutback in front
:22:22. > :22:26.line ordinary community policing. I think it is more about fear. It
:22:27. > :22:36.took them 30 minutes to get to Michael. I was 15 minutes into CPR
:22:37. > :22:53.before they came. You think he could have been saved? And now we, no. --
:22:54. > :22:59.in our way. The back row. You said twice on the show about
:23:00. > :23:08.paramilitaries recruiting. What proof is the journalist given new?
:23:09. > :23:14.It was the co-author of a report. A report into paramilitaries. A
:23:15. > :23:19.prominent solicitor was tasked to look at the situation. Do you not
:23:20. > :23:27.think they are recruiting? What proof has he got? He has spoken to
:23:28. > :23:33.the leaders. The crime hasn't stopped. If they're still
:23:34. > :23:40.recruiting, why are people conforming to it? Why don't they
:23:41. > :23:49.rebel? They are terrified. It is not just a question for politicians and
:23:50. > :23:56.police but for all of us. In 2016, we should maybe look at the blanket
:23:57. > :24:04.ban on flying flags and painting curbs. I think it is worth putting
:24:05. > :24:10.it into context because a lot of these working-class areas haven't
:24:11. > :24:21.seen any benefits from the Good Friday Agreement. 50-50 recruitment
:24:22. > :24:26.was abandoned years ago. A lot of people are going for an organisation
:24:27. > :24:35.claiming legitimacy. Whenever the police, for and a half thousand stop
:24:36. > :24:42.and searches in Ardoyne. It was supposed to be a fresh start. In
:24:43. > :24:44.terms of the overview, poverty, suicide and hopelessness in these
:24:45. > :24:49.areas, it has to be taken into consideration. We have to look at
:24:50. > :24:51.hardline areas and work after them because they have the potential to
:24:52. > :25:04.be the tale that wigs the dog. It is a very brave thing to do to
:25:05. > :25:13.come into night and I am sure you are still grieving. I am sorry that
:25:14. > :25:19.you ask your dad, your husband. Thank you for coming in tonight.
:25:20. > :25:22.Next week Nolan Live is replaced by a special debate programme
:25:23. > :25:30.The referendum is the big political issue everyone's talking about.
:25:31. > :25:34.And decision day is just over a fortnight away.
:25:35. > :25:53.We will probably vote to stay in because we work for a software
:25:54. > :26:04.company and most of our colleagues are from the EU countries. Alt. --
:26:05. > :26:09.out. Democracy in the EU is ridiculous. The should be changes.
:26:10. > :26:13.Northern Ireland doesn't cope well with change and it might be better
:26:14. > :26:19.to leave it how it is. I don't believe things will collapse. I'm
:26:20. > :26:26.more inclined to go in. What we will you vote? I don't know yet. I think
:26:27. > :26:31.there are pros and cons for both. I am voting to leave because I think
:26:32. > :26:35.we will be better off. We are putting too much money into it so we
:26:36. > :26:46.may as well get that back. I'm not sure yet. Is he not trying to sway
:26:47. > :26:52.you? Yes, he is. It's not working. On the spot, I'd probably leave. Why
:26:53. > :26:59.do you not know which way you are going to go? I haven't read the
:27:00. > :27:00.supplement. The cameraman is getting a really bad shot of the back of
:27:01. > :27:01.your head! Now, my next guests
:27:02. > :27:04.are stars in one of my Basically, this is a game
:27:05. > :27:08.where ordinary contestants are going up against the biggest
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:27:38. > :27:50.What is one quarter of a dozen. Three. Catch-22. Saint Peter.
:27:51. > :28:40.Gemini. It Ain't Half Hot, Mum. Cocky, arrogant. Those are our good
:28:41. > :28:44.points. You sound like they are bad points. I'm trying to work out if
:28:45. > :28:51.this is what you are like in real life or are you two big softies?
:28:52. > :28:56.He's really like that in real life. I can't argue. It's our job. Our job
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:29:22. > :29:26.kid! Listen, skinny. It's not my fault.
:29:27. > :29:32.ITV have me on a minimum weight clause because they don't wink --
:29:33. > :29:37.think I will be scary enough. For real? Yet. Every time they see me on
:29:38. > :29:42.a diet they grab some pudding and put it on my plate. So it's in your
:29:43. > :29:48.contract that you're not allowed to drop low 25 stones or what? Or they
:29:49. > :29:57.will get upset. I do not have a clause in my contract, I'm just a
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:30:18. > :30:21.mark a bonus scheme to beat the contestants? How happy do I look
:30:22. > :30:29.when I win? Very happy. There you go. Answer, are you on a bonus? A
:30:30. > :30:38.few years ago I was on a no-win, no fee basis. So you are not on a
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:30:45. > :30:50.lose. We play for pride and have massive egos and do not want them
:30:51. > :30:57.dented. But you are ruthless. Yes. If you're not on a bonus, why be so
:30:58. > :31:01.ruthless? It is a matter of pride because I want to win. Any time I
:31:02. > :31:09.take part in any quiz I want to win. Last night at was at the
:31:10. > :31:14.presentation night of the Tame side quiz leading greater Manchester and
:31:15. > :31:21.I wanted to get all the answers. There was nothing but one rather
:31:22. > :31:25.plasticky cup which I didn't get to take home because the captain won
:31:26. > :31:31.it. I want to win! You have to realise that and is the number two
:31:32. > :31:36.Lady quiz player in the world. APPLAUSE
:31:37. > :31:44.I believe she was six points behind the winner and right now she is
:31:45. > :31:50.planning how to get seven points more next year.
:31:51. > :31:57.Yes. I am always trying -- trying to beat the winner who is very nice. Do
:31:58. > :32:01.you sit all day and all night just reading up on trivia? Wait you get
:32:02. > :32:11.all that knowledge from? I am lucky. I just have a semi-eidetic memory. I
:32:12. > :32:17.go around life learning things. If I go on the tube in London I clock on
:32:18. > :32:21.the adverts were new pics -- books and films and it sticks. I got
:32:22. > :32:27.married recently and all those hours hanging around the shops whilst my
:32:28. > :32:32.beloved wife goes shopping, means I know an unholy out about ladies
:32:33. > :32:41.fashion. Have you an earpiece on the show? Absolutely not. We're not
:32:42. > :32:45.Pointless. Oh, sorry! Richard Osman has challenged me to it quiz and
:32:46. > :32:51.said as long as we wear our same uniforms. He said, of course, that
:32:52. > :32:56.means I'll have an earpiece. My point was if it is on the buzzer I'd
:32:57. > :33:04.still whip him. Is it the most successful show on television? They
:33:05. > :33:09.have a better PR department. I get a sense of how competitive you are. We
:33:10. > :33:17.take it from our governor, Bradley Walsh. We have the best entertainer
:33:18. > :33:22.in Britain right now. There are some hilarious moments in the show.
:33:23. > :33:58.What 1993 film is concerned with activities around the following?
:33:59. > :34:12.I thought I was quite intelligent. What is a Gobbler's Knob?
:34:13. > :34:25.You Were There? Really! I would imagine it is some kind of
:34:26. > :34:30.promontory, like a grassy knoll or that sort of thing. If I put some
:34:31. > :34:35.questions to you about Northern Ireland, have you read anything up
:34:36. > :34:40.before coming? No. Who is the manager of the Northern Ireland
:34:41. > :34:46.football team? I'm trying to remember. I don't do sport. You
:34:47. > :34:53.stupid woman! You stupid, stupid woman. How could you not know? I'm
:34:54. > :34:55.not very good at sport, have you not noticed! Football is not my best
:34:56. > :35:06.sport. After three, one, two, three. LAUGHTER here is one of my finest
:35:07. > :35:24.moments on Chris show, not. -- quiz show.
:35:25. > :35:26.Stephen, you will have 15 seconds to match the car to the country of
:35:27. > :35:54.manufacture. It starts now. Sorry, your time is up. OK, what
:35:55. > :35:55.have we got? We have got one right out of three.
:35:56. > :36:07.Well done What happened to the slim athlete?
:36:08. > :36:11.It's a real pleasure having you in Northern Ireland. You are fantastic
:36:12. > :36:18.and the show is travelling the world, I right? Yes. There are
:36:19. > :36:25.various non-English language shows in Germany, Russia, Croatia, Norway
:36:26. > :36:29.and France is looking at it. Are you guys in some of the foreign
:36:30. > :36:38.programmes? Mark is in the USA show and we are both on The Chase,
:36:39. > :36:48.Australia. Fantastic excavation might give them
:36:49. > :36:54.a round of applause. Fantastic! If you want to contact the radio
:36:55. > :37:19.show during the day, here is that e-mail address:.
:37:20. > :37:41.Clodagh Dunlop was left with locked-in syndrome after suffering
:37:42. > :37:49.Little over a year ago, she was left unable to walk and talk,
:37:50. > :37:51.and doctors told her family to fear the worst.
:37:52. > :38:00.She is here tonight to share her story with her partner, Adrian.
:38:01. > :38:08.Give them a round of applause, ladies and gentlemen.
:38:09. > :38:16.My goodness! Hello. Hello, how are you? My eyes were fixed on that
:38:17. > :38:21.photograph of you in the hospital bed. What happened and how did you
:38:22. > :38:28.go from being a healthy police officer to locked in syndrome? On
:38:29. > :38:37.Easter Monday the 6th of April 2015 I had a massive brain stem/ caused
:38:38. > :38:45.by a weakness in an neck artery which caused the stroke. It resulted
:38:46. > :38:56.in me lying in ICU for ten days and the subsequent journey that I have
:38:57. > :39:03.been on. When did you first wake up? The first day I became conscious was
:39:04. > :39:13.the Wednesday, two days later. I knew where I was at. I could realise
:39:14. > :39:22.I was in ICU. It looks like a spaceship and I thought, Nish elite,
:39:23. > :39:27.which has proved not to be too good, I thought, yes, I was right! So you
:39:28. > :39:36.are conscious but you couldn't move. No. It must have been terrifying? I
:39:37. > :39:42.have described it as one of the most terrifying experiences of my life.
:39:43. > :39:47.At times, in hospital, I had really irrational fears. I worried that
:39:48. > :39:53.because I was so honourable, I couldn't move or speak, that I would
:39:54. > :40:00.be assaulted or the victim of rape, which is quite irrational but
:40:01. > :40:05.because I couldn't speak or fend someone off it was terrifying. Tell
:40:06. > :40:12.me of the sensation when something has happened to you and you are
:40:13. > :40:16.disorientated and then you go to move, just a normal instinct of
:40:17. > :40:31.moving a hand or head. And you couldn't. But this is you. Good
:40:32. > :40:40.girl! You were just starting to move there. Give us a wave. Another wee
:40:41. > :40:46.one. Was there a point where you thought, am I ever going to move
:40:47. > :40:54.again? Know, bizarrely, on my very first day in ICU, Adrian said, are
:40:55. > :41:02.you there? Blink once for yes and it was the first time in my life I had
:41:03. > :41:10.to really concentrate and blink and I did a long, slow blink. He said,
:41:11. > :41:15.you'll be OK. From that moment I always thought, right, I had to
:41:16. > :41:19.fight this. I remember a notice saying I had locked in syndrome and
:41:20. > :41:24.I remember reading really shocked and thinking and remembering Tony
:41:25. > :41:31.Nicholson in England had locked in syndrome and heat campaigned for
:41:32. > :41:37.assisted suicide. I thought, that couldn't be me. A general disbelief
:41:38. > :41:46.and a want to break out of this body and get it moving again. And you
:41:47. > :41:51.played your role of very much this journey of caring for the person you
:41:52. > :42:01.love. It was a journey for you, too? Certainly. When you looked into her
:42:02. > :42:05.eyes that very first day and the determination she had to blink once
:42:06. > :42:12.and make sure that message was not confused, I really did know that she
:42:13. > :42:16.would get out of this. It will take time, but the strength and
:42:17. > :42:22.determination that we could see in her everyday would give her the
:42:23. > :42:30.strength to carry on. At one stage you were told to say goodbye to her?
:42:31. > :42:33.Yes, the prognosis was terrible, a brainstem stroke. Two areas of the
:42:34. > :42:39.brain suffered from lack of blood flow and oxygen starvation and it
:42:40. > :42:44.was undetermined as to what function she would have. When she came out
:42:45. > :42:49.the next day, we really didn't know what to expect. What happened on
:42:50. > :43:10.your birthday? I had one birthday in hospital six
:43:11. > :43:14.weeks after my/ but my anniversary was this year and for that
:43:15. > :43:20.anniversary of the stroke, Adrian and I went skydiving. Exactly. From
:43:21. > :43:24.that lady that might have been trapped in her body all her life,
:43:25. > :43:31.let's watch this. Let's look at this together.
:43:32. > :43:39.You dreamt of skydiving when you were locked in, didn't you? I did,
:43:40. > :43:44.every night. It was my escape from my daily reality of not being able
:43:45. > :43:50.to breathe or move. I would dream about to skydiving, breathing in the
:43:51. > :43:54.air, my limbs flapping. That day it was wonderful. I think that deserves
:43:55. > :44:06.a round of applause. APPLAUSE
:44:07. > :44:14.What does it do to you when you experience something like that in
:44:15. > :44:19.life, as you look to the future? How does it change how you think about
:44:20. > :44:25.life? It has changed me a lot. I don't like too much to the future.
:44:26. > :44:30.And the immediate future I like to return -- I would like to return to
:44:31. > :44:33.driving and work but in the long-term future I lived for each
:44:34. > :44:38.day and I am quite aware that life can change in the blink of an eye so
:44:39. > :44:43.I make sure I enjoy every day, every moment, everything life has to
:44:44. > :44:51.offer. Do you think you'll ever go back into the police? Absolutely.
:44:52. > :44:59.Absolutely. I realise that initially I can't return to a uniformed role,
:45:00. > :45:02.I may have to resign myself to a desk job but I don't see a future
:45:03. > :45:12.where I don't return to work and to policing. I absolutely love it. Have
:45:13. > :45:16.you spoken to them about going back? I have been engaging with them over
:45:17. > :45:25.the past year and I'm hoping that I can return at the end of September.
:45:26. > :45:32.Not that far away. It is not. The only thing wrong with me as I have a
:45:33. > :45:37.few mobility issues. Cognitively, I'm fine. I'm sure I can get a job
:45:38. > :45:42.where I can still help people, it's what I always liked doing. Look at
:45:43. > :45:48.that beautiful smile. It is a pleasure to have you both in the
:45:49. > :45:52.studio, and what a journey from what might have been to you getting back
:45:53. > :45:57.into that job in the police and serving the community and helping
:45:58. > :46:03.all of us. Thank you so much for all that you do.
:46:04. > :46:10.Now, how old is too old to be wearing skimpy swimwear?
:46:11. > :46:13.Should it only be young things flashing the flesh on the beach
:46:14. > :46:20.Angie Best is well known to you as George Best's ex,
:46:21. > :46:38.She joins me now, as does etiquette expert William Hanson.
:46:39. > :46:50.Hello. Hello, you gorgeous, svelte looking thing that you are. Last
:46:51. > :46:57.time you were here, you gave me a hard time. When you get to your age,
:46:58. > :47:02.do you not want to start covering it all up because things start to group
:47:03. > :47:11.unless you have had work done? Well, you would know!
:47:12. > :47:20.APPLAUSE What do you were on the beach? Well,
:47:21. > :47:26.I go to California quite a lot and believe it or not I walk around with
:47:27. > :47:37.my belly out, in my shorts. Why shouldn't girls? Because... All, be
:47:38. > :47:45.quiet. Does there are not come a certain age where you stop? No?
:47:46. > :47:55.There should be a certain age where you stop, to be fair. There should
:47:56. > :48:02.be an age. I think we have to be a little bit... William is how a lot
:48:03. > :48:17.of the BBC presenters used to speak! Welcome to the BBC! Let him speak.
:48:18. > :48:24.You don't happen to work for the BBC senior management board? If I had my
:48:25. > :48:35.way, BBC presenters would still speak like me. You are very svelte.
:48:36. > :48:38.Thank you very much. Over the age of 50, even 45, ladies and gentlemen,
:48:39. > :48:46.if they are wearing budgie smugglers, should stop. If I was in
:48:47. > :48:53.charge, we would have a ban on bikinis. Why do ladies need to tan
:48:54. > :48:58.that part of their body? We don't show it off at any other time than
:48:59. > :49:07.on the beach. What is wrong with a swim suit? Peter Stringfellow. That
:49:08. > :49:12.is horrific. Amazing what you see when you don't have your gun. As my
:49:13. > :49:22.mother used to say. Do you wear that? No, I don't. I guess the
:49:23. > :49:30.counterargument is who cares what age you are? Be proud of your body.
:49:31. > :49:36.We all care, really. I've lost about three stone about a year ago. Up
:49:37. > :49:50.until then I wasn't and I still do not, where a swim shorts. Magaluf,
:49:51. > :50:01.out with the boys on holiday? A bit of disco dancing! I am going to the
:50:02. > :50:08.TNT region in Italy. -- Chianti. You don't know where that is, do you? I
:50:09. > :50:14.shall be wearing a tailored pair of decent length swimming shorts. You
:50:15. > :50:16.say 45 is the rule. We have a surprise tonight for you, William.
:50:17. > :50:36.We want your commentary on this. MUSIC: Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny
:50:37. > :50:51.Bikini. This was not rehearsed. For a
:50:52. > :51:00.dreadful moment, I thought that guy in the beard was David Ford. What's
:51:01. > :51:06.wrong with these people? Don't let them come any closer. Would you like
:51:07. > :51:25.to come down and sit on his knee? You are welcome to. Security! You
:51:26. > :51:32.look amazing. What age are you? 59. Good to see you. This is fine
:51:33. > :51:38.because it is covered. You are fine. You pass. What do we think? Now we
:51:39. > :51:49.have seen these people on live television. Come on up here, David
:51:50. > :52:04.Ford. Former Justice Minister! Would you go to the beach like that? Yes.
:52:05. > :52:09.I am 70. You are 70. I guess this is what you're trying to say is a
:52:10. > :52:14.statement, Angie, who cares what age you are, be proud of your body. Each
:52:15. > :52:19.and every one of these look after themselves. They are in pretty good
:52:20. > :52:24.shape. That is the key. Would you tell these people to cover up,
:52:25. > :52:33.William? What is your name, Madame? Fiona. Fiona is lovely but I'm not
:52:34. > :52:40.sure we need something so skimpy. I like to tan my skin. But when do you
:52:41. > :52:52.sure that part of your body off? In the bedroom, darling. Well... Where
:52:53. > :53:00.has then he disappeared to? The guy in the white shirt, what do you
:53:01. > :53:10.think? If you've got it, sure it. -- flaunt it. In the front. Can I just
:53:11. > :53:15.say that no matter whether you are big, small, whatever, like's too
:53:16. > :53:21.short. If you want to wear a bikini, where it. We do see some people may
:53:22. > :53:34.be my size and this is a different discussion, walking topless down
:53:35. > :53:44.Royal Avenue, tops off. Is that, do we not care? Why not? That is a step
:53:45. > :53:51.too far because that in a pair of shorts would be offensive. I think
:53:52. > :53:55.that's rude. You go to the supermarket and you see men in the
:53:56. > :54:02.hot weather discarding clothing left, right and centre. I don't want
:54:03. > :54:12.body hair falling in the mangoes. Cover-up. Some people should be
:54:13. > :54:22.shot. It's the wrong type of thing to say here. This is Northern
:54:23. > :54:27.Ireland. The guys here, go ahead. Sorry, the lady here, I thought it
:54:28. > :54:31.was the guy in front of you. It is unfair it is towards women because I
:54:32. > :54:35.see a lot of older men in what I think is very skimpy swimwear and
:54:36. > :54:39.I'm sure everybody does and Stephen if you wanted to go down to Helen 's
:54:40. > :54:52.Bay tomorrow and get out your speedo, I would be telling you to
:54:53. > :54:56.work it. Work what? Well, whatever you have, you work it, Stephen. It
:54:57. > :55:03.is not fair that it is all towards women. If I looked like those women
:55:04. > :55:15.I would be sitting here in a bikini right now. We will take some
:55:16. > :55:20.comments but first some applause. I don't know why clothes should have
:55:21. > :55:25.an age limit. I think it shows you still have a bit of youth and enjoy
:55:26. > :55:30.what you do. I don't go on holiday to look at other people but to enjoy
:55:31. > :55:36.myself. I don't know why it would bother others. You take pride in
:55:37. > :55:44.your body and work hard. Would you judge people? I'm afraid I do. I
:55:45. > :55:50.can't help it because when you work hard, at 603I have to, to keep in
:55:51. > :55:56.shape, and when I see people who let themselves go... I may have let
:55:57. > :56:03.myself go but you've got a face-lift, don't you? I know,
:56:04. > :56:09.darling, I won't pick on you any more. God only gave you one body and
:56:10. > :56:14.you have to respect it and look after it so it can do the best it
:56:15. > :56:22.can for you. Give our guests a round of applause. Good craic.
:56:23. > :56:26.Don't forget the big EU referendum debate next week.
:56:27. > :56:28.Singing us out tonight is an Irish singer-songwriter who has had
:56:29. > :56:31.over two million streams on Spotify and half a million
:56:32. > :56:35.With his song Don't Go Alone, it's Bry!
:56:36. > :59:50.# Same old laughter, nothing's changed.
:59:51. > :59:55.CHEERING Thank you.