:00:08. > :00:11.Tonight on Nolan Live, paramilitary still rule the roost in many
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:00:59. > :01:03.Good evening, packed studio tonight. A very, very important show as well.
:01:04. > :01:06.There has been controversy this week over ?1.7 million of public money
:01:07. > :01:09.being given to the community group in East Belfast called Charter NI.
:01:10. > :01:13.Well, because its Chief Executive, Dee Stitt,
:01:14. > :01:16.is a convicted armed robber, who has been closely
:01:17. > :01:22.involved with the UDA going back many years.
:01:23. > :01:26.And this is our First Minister, Arlene Foster, standing beside him.
:01:27. > :01:30.Two weeks ago as she announced the award of that public money
:01:31. > :01:39.And here's the discussion - is paying public money to groups
:01:40. > :01:41.that are linked to people with paramilitary backgrounds just
:01:42. > :01:49.Or are we using too much carrot and not enough stick to end
:01:50. > :01:54.the scourge of terror groups in our communities?
:01:55. > :01:57.On Spotlight, the First Minister denied that she was turning a blind
:01:58. > :02:04.eye to the backgroud of people like Dee Stitt.
:02:05. > :02:11.I'm not turning a blind eye. What I'm doing is trying to encourage
:02:12. > :02:15.people to move away from their past. For goodness sake, we're any
:02:16. > :02:21.mandatory coalition with Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein, part of the republican
:02:22. > :02:25.movement, who were killing people, killing people of my committee for
:02:26. > :02:30.many, many years. You seriously suggesting that I walk away from the
:02:31. > :02:34.Loyalist community? And not trying to bring them along, and trying to
:02:35. > :02:40.get them away from whatever past they've been involved in. Tried to
:02:41. > :02:46.bring them along from whatever past they've been involved in. Try to get
:02:47. > :02:50.them to move on. That would suggest, First Minister, you don't think they
:02:51. > :02:55.already have? Which is the fundamental question for us tonight.
:02:56. > :03:00.Should you, Arlene Foster, be insisting that before any group and
:03:01. > :03:04.I'm not talking about Charter NI now, and talking about big picture
:03:05. > :03:08.stuff. Should you be encouraging people to move on with public money
:03:09. > :03:13.before they have decided for themselves that they are going to
:03:14. > :03:17.stop and then give them the money? Or actually, should you be
:03:18. > :03:21.associating yourselves with groups that maybe haven't totally stopped
:03:22. > :03:26.violence, whoever the art. Whoever they are, and not having about
:03:27. > :03:33.Charter NI. And, therefore, the know what's coming? What do you think?
:03:34. > :03:39.Quite frankly, the only thing I can say about that would be, do you
:03:40. > :03:47.think Isis should be paid money? Awarded money for anything that they
:03:48. > :03:53.are doing? Straightforward question. Paramilitaries haven't went away. I
:03:54. > :03:59.was burnt out of my home for taking a senior Loyalist to court for
:04:00. > :04:04.assaulting me on a publicly funded office, this office is still being
:04:05. > :04:09.funded and the amount of money that is being funded is nothing short of
:04:10. > :04:16.atrocious and it could be put into better places and better help
:04:17. > :04:19.further kids. It would be a longer programme, getting into the
:04:20. > :04:25.specifics of individual cases because they would be another side,
:04:26. > :04:30.I'm sure, to that story. The counter argument to the thrust of what you
:04:31. > :04:34.are saying is that for those people who haven't stopped violence, let's
:04:35. > :04:38.encourage them by showing them some of the sugar, by showing them some
:04:39. > :04:44.of the opportunity, showing them the money. The are being rewarded, the
:04:45. > :04:48.paramilitaries. They are basically untouchable. Bps and I know what
:04:49. > :04:52.they are involved in, they know who these people live. They know the
:04:53. > :04:57.paramilitaries and it's a proven fact they haven't stopped violence,
:04:58. > :05:04.they haven't stopped crying, they are thugs. All of this is all proof.
:05:05. > :05:09.It's facts. -- crime. You don't reward bad behaviour by giving
:05:10. > :05:12.money. That's going to make them never go away, they're never going
:05:13. > :05:17.to stop. How much money have they had already? There is no
:05:18. > :05:21.sugar-coating this at all, it's as simple as that. They don't deserve
:05:22. > :05:29.any more money. It had enough. They had millions. She has her points and
:05:30. > :05:35.sure she believes what she's saying. Sinn Fein were rewarded massively in
:05:36. > :05:42.this country for the last 20 to 25 years. That the political party are
:05:43. > :05:45.talking about. Of course it is. They were previously connected to a
:05:46. > :05:48.republican movement which cause mayhem in this country. You forgot
:05:49. > :05:52.to say in your opening statement that she also been stood by --
:05:53. > :05:55.beside Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and other people like
:05:56. > :05:59.that who have backgrounds connected to the republican movement and the
:06:00. > :06:03.IRA. If we are going to talk about being rewarded, get some
:06:04. > :06:07.investigative journalist to find out how much money has been put into
:06:08. > :06:11.Nationalist areas and quite rightly so to help them, I have no problems
:06:12. > :06:14.with that, but all we ever seem to get its programmes about when
:06:15. > :06:20.Loyalists try to move on and Loyalist try to do things. Let me
:06:21. > :06:28.finish. You can nudge ahead as much as you like. The point is, Jonathan
:06:29. > :06:32.Paul was Tony Blairs's aid, he has openly said that loyalism was left
:06:33. > :06:37.behind by the governments and by other people. We were left in the
:06:38. > :06:40.hands instead of trying to be politicised and helped. We've had a
:06:41. > :06:47.struggle for the last 15 to 20 years. Everything in loyalism isn't
:06:48. > :06:51.right, Tracy is right when she says there's bad things happening but
:06:52. > :06:56.there is massively good things. What do you mean I don't want to see it?
:06:57. > :07:00.Don't start that. Part of the reason you on this programme tonight, one
:07:01. > :07:02.of the most watched shows in Northern Ireland is because I do
:07:03. > :07:07.want to see it and I want everyone else to hear your voice. That's the
:07:08. > :07:13.bottom line. Don't start that nonsense. Here's the bottom line.
:07:14. > :07:22.2015, at the Loyalist community Council launch, the UDA, red hand
:07:23. > :07:26.commando, logos were up. Does that suggest that the bull disbanded?
:07:27. > :07:30.That people stopped, stood down, that the committee has been wanting
:07:31. > :07:37.to do for however many years? Nearly two decades? What community are you
:07:38. > :07:42.talking to? You think the lawyers community want UBS and UDA? You're
:07:43. > :07:49.not elected to speak for the communities. Who are you speaking
:07:50. > :07:53.for? And speaking of Jim Wilson. And speaking for myself. You're not
:07:54. > :08:02.selected to speak for the people, you're not elected to speak for the
:08:03. > :08:12.committee. Hold on now. How that they have a mandate for it... Hold
:08:13. > :08:19.on one second. Was your father paramilitaries? We're here in the
:08:20. > :08:22.present. This is the present. The thing that goads me is you two
:08:23. > :08:27.people have been hurt and they understand that and I've tried to
:08:28. > :08:33.help you. Your wife has never tried to help me, never. I make two
:08:34. > :08:42.points. I've been told your father was a member of the UDA. What you've
:08:43. > :08:51.been told and what you know. Here's the point. I am not with all due
:08:52. > :08:55.respect interested in the specific stories. I am interested in the
:08:56. > :09:01.broader big picture as to what we are going to do. It is therefore
:09:02. > :09:07.needed same that are we really still waiting for the UDA and UVF to stop
:09:08. > :09:12.their drug dealing, their racketeering, their intimidation and
:09:13. > :09:16.are we really going to have two essentially bribe them to stop
:09:17. > :09:20.rather than them stopping and then they are rewarded? And then you are
:09:21. > :09:28.saying to people, you stopped, naked the opportunity. Which way round
:09:29. > :09:32.should be? I would say ask the PSN I, who we've been sitting with the
:09:33. > :09:36.decades and ask them to rid the streets of drug dealers and
:09:37. > :09:40.gangsters. Whether that's part of loyalism are not, I'm constantly
:09:41. > :09:47.telling you that a real Loyalists cannot be a drug dealer Ari
:09:48. > :09:51.criminal. Really? My views and a lot of people views out there, that
:09:52. > :09:57.takes away from it. You're in that game for your own pocket and self
:09:58. > :10:00.gain. You're not in it for a loyalism, you're in it for yourself.
:10:01. > :10:07.Our own affairs minister when she was asked about Dee Stitt, she said
:10:08. > :10:13.that she is trying to move people away from their past. With the
:10:14. > :10:16.absolute inference in the tenth of that statement from a First Minister
:10:17. > :10:20.that she is trying to move them away, there are still some part in
:10:21. > :10:26.their past. Meanwhile, it Dee Stitt said to me this morning he has left
:10:27. > :10:29.his paramilitary past well behind. I have a statement from Dee Stitt
:10:30. > :10:36.which I do want to read on his behalf. Gerry Adams would tell you
:10:37. > :10:49.to. Even before my leave from prison...
:10:50. > :10:58.He's very much suggesting in that statement... Are we allowed to move
:10:59. > :11:01.on? Is the IRA allied to metamorphose eyes into Sinn Fein and
:11:02. > :11:07.loyal lies is not allowed to do that? The IRA has disbanded. Dee
:11:08. > :11:12.Stitt is seeing that his letters past behind him and Arlene Foster,
:11:13. > :11:16.when asked about him, is seen she wants to motivate people like him to
:11:17. > :11:20.move on as if he hasn't moved on already. So wet as it? Issue
:11:21. > :11:24.standing beside someone who still have connections to his past or
:11:25. > :11:29.issue standing beside someone who has said it over and that they get
:11:30. > :11:34.to stand beside our First Minister? Which is it? How do you move those
:11:35. > :11:39.people from the past of the future? Do you walk away from it or do you
:11:40. > :11:43.continue to try to get them to do the right things? That's why this
:11:44. > :11:47.discussion is so interesting tonight. Who blinks first? Do you
:11:48. > :11:52.say to them, you will not get anywhere close to our First Minister
:11:53. > :12:01.until you are absolutely distance yourself from the past? Or do you
:12:02. > :12:10.encourage them... The PSN I and paramilitaries are joined together,
:12:11. > :12:15.proven fact. Proven fact. What is the steering group? We get lost in
:12:16. > :12:19.this language. I need to save from the outset that 20 years on after
:12:20. > :12:25.ceasefires, we should be having a conversation about paramilitaries.
:12:26. > :12:29.All former paramilitaries is wrong, whatever initial acronym hides
:12:30. > :12:33.under, it intimidates people, it wrecks lives. It fuels disadvantaged
:12:34. > :12:38.in Loyalist communities that people are working hard to address. No
:12:39. > :12:43.government or PSN I should be doing business with anyone who is involved
:12:44. > :12:48.in paramilitary activity. There should be open transparent processes
:12:49. > :12:53.for people to apply to. We are not suggesting that Charter NI is
:12:54. > :13:00.involved in paramilitary activity. However, we are stating as fact that
:13:01. > :13:06.the chief executive, Dee Stitt, of Charter NI is a convicted armed
:13:07. > :13:12.robber and has until recently, he says he was, a member of the UDA.
:13:13. > :13:19.There is our First Minister any photocall with him handing over a
:13:20. > :13:25.?1.7 million. As I say... And yet the UDA has not disbanded. The
:13:26. > :13:28.paramilitary report makes it quite clear there are still members of
:13:29. > :13:36.paramilitary organisations involved in violence. You raise the issue of
:13:37. > :13:41.the social investment fund and this is the concern. We want open and
:13:42. > :13:45.transparent processes. How does one person of any member panel, seven
:13:46. > :13:52.out of eight of which were appointed by the DUP Sinn Fein, and OFM DFM
:13:53. > :13:56.told the steering group that we could only appoint members of the
:13:57. > :13:59.steering group to be the managing agents of this fund. That is not an
:14:00. > :14:04.adequately open and transparent process and that is the argument we
:14:05. > :14:13.are making. You didn't support the 1.7 million being given to Charter
:14:14. > :14:18.NI? I didn't... Only members of that steering group could be appointed to
:14:19. > :14:21.manage this fund. We suggested it should be an open process, anyone
:14:22. > :14:28.from the committee should be able to apply for that.
:14:29. > :14:35.That you object? Those are the issues that concern people in our
:14:36. > :14:41.community. Have you raised concerns about the effectiveness of Charter
:14:42. > :14:44.NI? Clearly there are people involved in Charter NI that are
:14:45. > :14:50.involved in positive work, but the process has not been opened, it has
:14:51. > :14:53.not been effective and concerns have therefore been raised. Have you
:14:54. > :14:58.raised concerns about a convicted armed robber being the chief
:14:59. > :15:04.executive of that organisation? BBC Spotlight has made serious
:15:05. > :15:08.allegations. It is a shame there has been a statement given here tonight
:15:09. > :15:10.but as far as I am aware that Charter NI have not put themselves
:15:11. > :15:19.forward to give an interview on these issues. And dealing with OFM
:15:20. > :15:23.DFM at the police as well. The DUP said there was no one available. Do
:15:24. > :15:30.you know what? Fair enough. If you want to commend and talk to this
:15:31. > :15:35.audience, fair enough, your call. To be fair to Charter NI, and you are
:15:36. > :15:42.saying that you have concerns, you're the same man who supported
:15:43. > :15:46.Charter NI at the end of 2013? I was glad to support pieces of wall art
:15:47. > :15:52.that had replaced paramilitary murals, involving community
:15:53. > :15:58.development organisation Charter NI. I have already said tonight there is
:15:59. > :16:02.positive work involved with Charter NI, with the reimaging of murals,
:16:03. > :16:07.bonfire management, but on this process we have seen a lack of
:16:08. > :16:12.openness and transparency. We have seen on BBC Spotlight previously,
:16:13. > :16:17.the Minister for employment Stephen Parry asked by the DUP to create a
:16:18. > :16:22.pilot project worth ?7 million for Charter NI. It is perfectly entitled
:16:23. > :16:27.to apply in an open and transparent way but there are posters in
:16:28. > :16:33.place... I'm sorry, Chris, you said that BBC Spotlight had made a series
:16:34. > :16:38.of allegations in my case on my life and regarding the same subject of
:16:39. > :16:41.money being funded to paramilitaries, actor
:16:42. > :16:46.paramilitaries. That is not allegations. That is what happened.
:16:47. > :16:58.That is what is still happening now. I think your contribution was
:16:59. > :17:05.extremely courageous. Go ahead. To be honest, no matter what Apollo
:17:06. > :17:08.Crews get the money, they just take the money and then jump on the
:17:09. > :17:12.bandwagon off down the road. It would be better to put the money
:17:13. > :17:16.into communities and bring in the young people in our future together
:17:17. > :17:23.instead of bringing them up in a country with hatred. Charter NI is a
:17:24. > :17:27.legitimate organisation with many decent people working in them, but
:17:28. > :17:34.you often look at the top of an organisation. You often look at who
:17:35. > :17:39.is the boss. What about the top of Sinn Fein? This is not about Sinn
:17:40. > :17:44.Fein. You're making this about the Protestants, I am seeing, who is at
:17:45. > :17:47.the top of Sinn Fein? They have moved on. Of course they have, they
:17:48. > :17:55.have been given all the help and support to move on. A lot of people
:17:56. > :18:04.in the UDA have moved on. Has the IRA responded? You're wrong,
:18:05. > :18:08.Stephen. Stephen, I'm totally in favour of millions of pounds of
:18:09. > :18:12.public money being spent on loyalist and national communities because we
:18:13. > :18:16.needed for social housing, health, welfare and education. I oppose the
:18:17. > :18:20.paramilitaries, no matter what side of the community they come from, as
:18:21. > :18:25.financial gatekeepers. We are 20 years into the peace process. I have
:18:26. > :18:29.always been told that wireless power more trees was a reactionary force
:18:30. > :18:33.against republican violence. The Republicans have gone. It is time
:18:34. > :18:36.for the loyalist to leave the stage and time for people to stop coming
:18:37. > :18:40.forward with the begging bowl, with the implication that there will be
:18:41. > :18:44.violence if we don't get money for our community. It is for jobs for
:18:45. > :18:47.the boys in the community and it could be argued that that keeps
:18:48. > :19:00.those structures intact, by giving them public money. Raymond? I agree
:19:01. > :19:05.with that man, 100%. Sinn Fein is not selling drugs in the unionist
:19:06. > :19:10.community. They are not extorting money from businessmen. They are not
:19:11. > :19:13.driving people out of their homes. They are not putting people under
:19:14. > :19:17.threat, like yourself, because you speak the truth about the UVF. If
:19:18. > :19:26.you live in the unionist community and you disagree, they see
:19:27. > :19:29.themselves as loyalist. I have a problem with this idea that the
:19:30. > :19:35.loyalist have been left behind. It is very simple. If you believe that,
:19:36. > :19:38.you and the people who see themselves as spokespeople for the
:19:39. > :19:44.community, unelected people, stand election and get a mandate. We don't
:19:45. > :19:51.interfere with Chris Liddle's politics. The people calling the
:19:52. > :19:55.show, the people involved in responding, there are people trying
:19:56. > :20:02.to tell the audience in the rest of the country, that Dee Stitt is the
:20:03. > :20:16.best placed person in east Belfast to be a chief executive. The other
:20:17. > :20:19.point is,... Again, in fairness to Mr Stitt, he was a member of the
:20:20. > :20:25.UDA, he has left, he said that himself. What if he has, what if he
:20:26. > :20:29.is trying to use the past connections he has to try to say to
:20:30. > :20:32.people, it is the way of the past, get out of it, let's look at
:20:33. > :20:37.law-abiding behaviour, we will try to get you into education and jobs,
:20:38. > :20:44.we will help sort the social deprivation that there is a new
:20:45. > :20:48.community? What if that is what someone like Dee Stitt is all about,
:20:49. > :20:52.is it not brave of the First Minister to stand beside him? Arlene
:20:53. > :20:57.Foster said that we have come to fork in the road for these people.
:20:58. > :21:04.20 years, 22 years the so-called ceasefire. 31 Protestants murdered
:21:05. > :21:12.by the UDA. And one of them was my son. The Good Friday agreement was
:21:13. > :21:15.18 years ago. They signed up for it, they let the prisoners out, for both
:21:16. > :21:21.sides. And we thought that was the end of it. It was anything but the
:21:22. > :21:26.end of it. The loyalist paramilitaries, and use the loyalist
:21:27. > :21:36.loosely, they use their power to make money. Let's bring it in. I
:21:37. > :21:42.welcome anyone who has walked away from the paramilitaries, but I make
:21:43. > :21:45.lots of young people who are under threat from the paramilitaries, and
:21:46. > :21:49.some of them Mark Allen villages, and they are not allowed to leave.
:21:50. > :21:54.They say that they have disbanded, they have to show proof that they
:21:55. > :22:00.have disbanded. You never hear about, on his programme, on this
:22:01. > :22:05.programme... Let me finish! You never hear on the Sunday papers, and
:22:06. > :22:11.you know why? Did know why? I'll give you an example. I went to a TV
:22:12. > :22:15.programme, not stating it was, and one of the producer said Timmy on
:22:16. > :22:18.the way out, I said, why do we always get negativity about
:22:19. > :22:21.loyalism, and he said we don't do good news stories about loyalism. It
:22:22. > :22:26.is the same everywhere you go. There is plenty of good stuff out there. I
:22:27. > :22:30.am involved in it. I was asked the come in here tonight, not about
:22:31. > :22:38.Charter NI, but to defend the right of loyalism to get its fair share of
:22:39. > :22:42.help and support and move on. How do you define loyalism? There was a man
:22:43. > :22:47.shot dead less than two months ago. Absolute disgrace. Your song, I try
:22:48. > :22:54.to help you with your son, right or wrong. At the start, and then you
:22:55. > :22:59.didn't want to know. -- your son. It is not helpful on a light programme
:23:00. > :23:04.to get involved in the specifics of this. We are painting loyalism the
:23:05. > :23:20.same. We have two people knew how lost loved ones, which is wrong...
:23:21. > :23:28.And the other ones that were killed... You should shout at Arlene
:23:29. > :23:33.Foster on that. You need to let me share this, or it will not work. I
:23:34. > :23:40.know that you're hurting tonight, I get that, and I understand that.
:23:41. > :23:44.Jim, I'm not trying to position this as a programme against loyalism. I'm
:23:45. > :23:48.trying to ask a very genuine question, which is, do we encourage
:23:49. > :23:57.people who are still involved in violence with money, with jobs, or,
:23:58. > :24:02.do they have to stop and then they get the rewards? Of course, Stephen.
:24:03. > :24:05.They have to have mechanisms in place before they get any sort of
:24:06. > :24:09.money anywhere. They need to be shown in that community that they
:24:10. > :24:12.are working for the community. Not for themselves but for the
:24:13. > :24:16.community. And I support anything like that. I would not ask that
:24:17. > :24:21.money be given to any group anywhere, unless it was bona fides,
:24:22. > :24:25.it was doing things that were going to make changes in our community. As
:24:26. > :24:35.soon as money is being handed out in loyalist communities, there was a
:24:36. > :24:42.big uproar. The point about this is that, Republicans have passed the
:24:43. > :24:44.same as are people. I have never seen a programme where we are
:24:45. > :24:48.sitting and talking about Republicans who have got funding.
:24:49. > :24:53.And they have got mountains more than we have got over the years.
:24:54. > :24:56.Arlene Foster, the First Minister, has said that we are at a fork in
:24:57. > :25:01.the road. Let's just have a listen to watches it. I don't want anyone
:25:02. > :25:04.under any illusion as to what might determine -- the termination is to
:25:05. > :25:09.deal with these people. There is a fork in the road coming, coming up
:25:10. > :25:12.very soon. I want to see the police moving in and taking these people
:25:13. > :25:17.out of society. And those deciding that they want to move away from
:25:18. > :25:20.violence, intimidation and paramilitaries, then we will work
:25:21. > :25:26.with them. The thing I find confusing about the First Minister's
:25:27. > :25:30.contribution there, "There is a fork in the road coming up". Did did not
:25:31. > :25:36.come up at the Good Friday agreement many years ago, First Minister? Is
:25:37. > :25:41.there another fork in the road? What kind of statement is that to the
:25:42. > :25:46.people who did choose after the Good Friday agreement to leave a violence
:25:47. > :25:49.behind? And you want to see the police moving in, very, very soon?
:25:50. > :25:55.Should the police not have been living in decades ago? Are the
:25:56. > :25:58.police not living in right now? What do you mean, Arlene Foster, buy, you
:25:59. > :26:03.want to see the police moving in, very, very soon? Why didn't they
:26:04. > :26:09.move in yesterday? Is there some kind of deal, some deadline,
:26:10. > :26:12.extended time limit when many of us thought it was the Good Friday
:26:13. > :26:17.agreement? What do you mean, there was a fork in the road coming up?
:26:18. > :26:23.Have you told the public this? What is the deadline for that fork in the
:26:24. > :26:27.road? The man in the shirt. The problem is we are focusing on groups
:26:28. > :26:29.instead of issues. It was international mental health Day
:26:30. > :26:33.recently. We should be focusing for example on the back that Northern
:26:34. > :26:37.Ireland has the highest mental health problems and the highest rate
:26:38. > :26:44.of prescription antidepressants. We should invest in those issues which
:26:45. > :26:47.rip publicans and loyalist all suffer from, and that would be for
:26:48. > :26:50.the benefit of Northern Ireland. I was eight when the agreement was
:26:51. > :26:54.signed, and we need to seriously move on from it. We need to get the
:26:55. > :26:59.economy going and give people a reason to wake up in the morning and
:27:00. > :27:02.try to bring some enthusiasm back. But the executive office don't want
:27:03. > :27:07.to speak to us tonight. APPLAUSE
:27:08. > :27:12.Let me put it a different way. They have not put somewhere here to speak
:27:13. > :27:17.for you tonight. I am happy to speak to them tomorrow morning before I go
:27:18. > :27:23.to work. This is what they said in a statement, the executive office has
:27:24. > :27:27.committed ?80 million to 69 projects. That is what they have
:27:28. > :27:30.said. The DUP statement has just come up. The Northern Ireland
:27:31. > :27:59.executive has... Look at that power and within that.
:28:00. > :28:02.Can be just bring that up again? Who want to "Transition". Transition is
:28:03. > :28:05.a keyword in that. Were they not required to do that many years ago?
:28:06. > :28:12.That is at the heart of debate, tonight. I think the debate has
:28:13. > :28:15.moved away from where it should be. The money given to transition into
:28:16. > :28:20.peaceful community, that should be invested in the infrastructure of
:28:21. > :28:24.integrated education otherwise we will have a generational problem, we
:28:25. > :28:27.are going to come back to this and every generation will be the same
:28:28. > :28:31.thing. People need to be better educated to move away from the
:28:32. > :28:37.violence. That way, we will not have to offer a money as a reward because
:28:38. > :28:43.they weren't actually needed. A recent report into paramilitaries
:28:44. > :28:46.basically said, if I read the fresh start independent panel report, it
:28:47. > :28:53.said none of the groups were prepared to use the word "Disband".
:28:54. > :29:05.That is from June 20 16. None of the paramilitary groups were prepared to
:29:06. > :29:09.use the word, this band. -- disband. The great failure of the peace
:29:10. > :29:13.process, and I think we all have an interest in Stormont working and
:29:14. > :29:18.government working, but the breakthrough has been that we have
:29:19. > :29:23.not -- the great failure has been that we have not dealt with the
:29:24. > :29:26.residual paramilitaries, drug dealing and criminality. The report
:29:27. > :29:30.called on the police to take a different approach. Yes, and we are
:29:31. > :29:33.told that there will be an organised crime strategy and we were supposed
:29:34. > :29:37.to see that in June, and we have not seen it yet, and there was any
:29:38. > :29:40.organised crime task force, which is funny, because there has been an
:29:41. > :29:41.organised crime task force for the past 15 years, which seems to have
:29:42. > :29:53.disappeared. When Arlene Foster talks about the
:29:54. > :29:59.police moving in very soon? How do you read that? I think the question
:30:00. > :30:04.is if the police do move and soon, what support either going to have?
:30:05. > :30:09.This has to be an integrated strategy. There is some force and
:30:10. > :30:11.what Jim says. You can go across all of Northern Ireland and look at
:30:12. > :30:18.group the Nationalist unity and there are many community
:30:19. > :30:21.organisations led by or involved with the paramilitaries who have
:30:22. > :30:25.changed and moved on and are working for the communities. We do need to
:30:26. > :30:30.see that in loyalism as well. The problem is, you also have people
:30:31. > :30:33.currently in loyalism who are actively involved in serious
:30:34. > :30:39.organised crime, drug dealing and extortion. No matter what you do, in
:30:40. > :30:43.terms of offering job opportunities are a community groups, you are not
:30:44. > :30:51.going to replace the amount of money they can make from drug dealing in
:30:52. > :30:56.any other way. The police are aware of them things. The police have had
:30:57. > :31:08.evidence, proof and yet still wouldn't name the organisation.
:31:09. > :31:13.Go-ahead. That's you, go ahead. About the next generations, a
:31:14. > :31:16.genuine question, do you think there is a responsibility in the media and
:31:17. > :31:22.the likes of your show, which is very popular, not to disrespect any
:31:23. > :31:27.of the previous comments, but we are talking about the same thing over
:31:28. > :31:33.and over again. I queued up for the show tonight. You are certain there
:31:34. > :31:36.will be chat about paramilitaries. Not to take anything away from the
:31:37. > :31:42.stuff that has gone in the past, but can we move on and focus on the
:31:43. > :31:48.positive things, mental illness and things like that? What you think the
:31:49. > :31:51.responsibility of the media is? I think the media have a huge
:31:52. > :31:56.responsibility but at the end of the day, this is millions of pounds of
:31:57. > :31:59.taxpayer's money being handed out and what we are trying to do is
:32:00. > :32:03.scrutinise where it's going, how effective is that money being spent,
:32:04. > :32:05.who is spending it. What is the infrastructure around the
:32:06. > :32:13.appointment of the people who do spend it? Is very interesting point,
:32:14. > :32:17.Dee Stitt may be the perfect person to head up an organisation handling
:32:18. > :32:26.millions of pounds. Is he? And just asking those questions. You said
:32:27. > :32:31.there were 80 million in the social investment fund. You are talking
:32:32. > :32:36.about 1.7 million. The other 79 million, if you the CEOs of all of
:32:37. > :32:41.them? Who is in charge? The Good Friday Agreement, that was the
:32:42. > :32:47.biggest farce we've ever had because at the end of the day, didn't know
:32:48. > :32:50.about the letters. The Loyalist communities have been left behind.
:32:51. > :32:54.There are people in Loyalist communities working really hard,
:32:55. > :32:59.really really hard and if any money goes into it, you're just
:33:00. > :33:02.continually getting this. You have to remember what is going into the
:33:03. > :33:12.national communities and the pain getting it for years. They're
:33:13. > :33:16.getting there, they're getting that. Catch yourself an! See if the
:33:17. > :33:25.Republicans can get, Martina Anderson, there is another one.
:33:26. > :33:33.She's an MEP. Recently, she actually said how proud you was to be who she
:33:34. > :33:45.was and what she did. THEY TALK OVER EACH OTHER
:33:46. > :34:02.Bye no, no, no! Have you been on the receiving end from the
:34:03. > :34:12.Loyalist community they deserved to stop torturing people's lives. They
:34:13. > :34:24.should not be paid and rewarded. Called an! Hold an! Called on one
:34:25. > :34:32.second. With all of that angle and you have, -- anger, you don't want
:34:33. > :34:37.drug dealing, racketeering. In your community. There is nothing going
:34:38. > :34:43.into Loyalist communities. No way do I want drug Finn community. Stop
:34:44. > :34:52.shouting and let me speak to you, one second. Once the UDA -- when is
:34:53. > :35:05.the UDA and the UVF owing to disband? I am asking you. The IRA
:35:06. > :35:14.hasn't disbanded! Rae I've been stoned by so-called Loyalist
:35:15. > :35:17.paramilitaries. In the last three chief constables, loyalism has asked
:35:18. > :35:21.them and pleaded with them to take the drug dealers and the scum of the
:35:22. > :35:25.streets. You check with any of the last chief constables and that's
:35:26. > :35:29.what's been said constantly by leaders of loyalism. 1000 off the
:35:30. > :35:38.streets. We don't want them soiling our name. It's a small section of
:35:39. > :35:45.loyalism, unfortunately with them at... Let me finish, I'm speaking.
:35:46. > :35:51.You look at the media every Sunday and Stephen's programme, when it
:35:52. > :35:59.comes to flags, bonfires, it is all, negative stories about loyalism.
:36:00. > :36:02.There is a massive amount of work being done by Loyalist Outram Street
:36:03. > :36:10.that has not been talked about are on the media or anything. We are fed
:36:11. > :36:14.up to the teeth of being criminalised and demonised. It is
:36:15. > :36:18.the handful of people that are doing it. Why is there a need for the UDA
:36:19. > :36:31.and the UVF? Why don't they go away, Jim? Look at me and explain to me...
:36:32. > :36:35.Has republican violence completely stopped? Is there a dissident
:36:36. > :36:43.element out there? Do you know why it Loyalist groups... Do you know
:36:44. > :36:49.why Loyalist groups want to defend this country against violent
:36:50. > :37:00.republicanism? This is an important point. 1000 people, between 2013 and
:37:01. > :37:02.2014, 1000 people were driven out of their own homes due to paramilitary
:37:03. > :37:17.intimidation within their own community. 1000 people. Why is it
:37:18. > :37:29.not happening in Republican areas? 1000 people, Jim. In all areas? So
:37:30. > :37:45.it's not just Loyalist? I will do whatever I want. Omagh, all my.
:37:46. > :37:50.You're not such a brave man. You take anybody off the street, the go
:37:51. > :37:58.to court. If they take anybody off the street, the go to court. What
:37:59. > :38:06.happens then? Can we get this judiciary that right? There is a lot
:38:07. > :38:12.of heat investors and I get that. It is a big discussion we need to have
:38:13. > :38:13.and I hope that we've covered some of it tonight. Get our guests a
:38:14. > :38:23.round of applause. -- give. My next guest is a road
:38:24. > :38:26.racer who is a real Ladies and gentlemen,
:38:27. > :39:23.it's Ryan Farquhar! Come off the back of that, for
:39:24. > :39:26.goodness sake. You had a major crash this year and you're looking for
:39:27. > :39:33.healthy after that but it was only a couple of months ago. The 12th of
:39:34. > :39:40.May, a Thursday night, five months to the day. It was a few months, I
:39:41. > :39:45.wasn't in a great way whenever I got out of hospital and started eating
:39:46. > :39:52.my normal food, I've just come on leaps and bounds ever since that.
:39:53. > :39:59.Were looking at this together now. When you see that now, what's in
:40:00. > :40:05.your head? It was so worth. -- it was sore. I remember it happening
:40:06. > :40:10.and I was struggling to breathe and the first thing I want to do was get
:40:11. > :40:15.the helmet. The marshals wanted to stop me moving Inc is broken neck.
:40:16. > :40:23.My feet were very sore and my ribs were very sore. I was struggling to
:40:24. > :40:28.breathe, there was quite a bit of sweat as well. You are literally
:40:29. > :40:39.struggling to breathe? I was really badly winded at that stage. I
:40:40. > :40:44.thought, these than I have had here, I'm not too bad. I eventually got
:40:45. > :40:50.the helmet off and started looking around. At that stage, I wasn't even
:40:51. > :40:57.aware that I was hit by a bike. I remember losing the front end. The
:40:58. > :41:02.tyre just lost grip. I remember it sliding along the road and thinking,
:41:03. > :41:09.this is going to hurt. When I stopped tumbling,... You had a
:41:10. > :41:16.punctured lung, two broken bones in your food, six broken ribs, internal
:41:17. > :41:24.bleeding, a cut in your letter. At that stage, I didn't realise... I
:41:25. > :41:35.almost said paramilitaries. I meant paramedics.
:41:36. > :41:49.You've been sitting here listening to that for 1520 minutes. Whenever
:41:50. > :41:56.the paramedics got Toomua... Stick with the paramilitaries, it is the
:41:57. > :42:04.better story. Whenever they got to me, I was complaining of two release
:42:05. > :42:08.feet. I was wearing the best possible safety gear that is on the
:42:09. > :42:13.market but my feet were really sorry and I thought I had smashed my
:42:14. > :42:22.ankles up. I wasn't aware that I had a serious injury to my liver and
:42:23. > :42:28.broken ribs. The doctor, as soon as he got to me he knew that there was
:42:29. > :42:31.a problem. Was there a point during that you had enough awareness of
:42:32. > :42:37.rain due to think and I going to die or is that not happen to you? At
:42:38. > :42:44.that stage, I'm on the ground, I've got away with it, I'm so, I bullied
:42:45. > :42:48.some hospital attention. You were flown on a police helicopter. At
:42:49. > :42:56.that stage, I didn't realise I had the injuries that I had. Why do this
:42:57. > :43:08.then? It's the adrenaline. It's an addiction. To me and every other
:43:09. > :43:15.writer, these things happen. -- writer. I've no regrets. I hope to
:43:16. > :43:22.do it again. You hope to ride again? The only way I can describe it...
:43:23. > :43:30.The paramilitaries might not always be available! If you take somebody
:43:31. > :43:38.that is a smoker, a drinker, that's overweight, they just can't handle
:43:39. > :43:42.themselves. I'm exactly the same. You've played a blinder at night
:43:43. > :43:52.with your one-liners, haven't you? This man is the comedienne!
:43:53. > :44:04.To me, riding a motorbike... A few people in that audience just as fat
:44:05. > :44:07.as me. I'm looking at them now. Timmy, riding a motorbike is
:44:08. > :44:16.probably like a bag of prawn cocktail to you! -- to me. You have
:44:17. > :44:19.an addiction, I have an addiction. Mine is probably a bit more
:44:20. > :44:26.dangerous than yours. That is the only way I can describe it. I
:44:27. > :44:31.started riding motorbikes for fun. One of the fortunate ones that has
:44:32. > :44:37.turned it into an occupation. Motor racing has been good to me. My
:44:38. > :44:43.family, we have done OK. I haven't made a fortune but I have done OK. I
:44:44. > :44:47.have tried to learn from this. When we talk about the dangers of the
:44:48. > :44:52.sport on these programmes, some of the racing fraternity get angry with
:44:53. > :44:59.me because I don't understand that it is a life obsession with some
:45:00. > :45:06.people. It is. It's not just me. My whole family. It's a way of life,
:45:07. > :45:09.it's not a sport. Every other rider out there, like, I know loads of
:45:10. > :45:15.families that every last penny goes into the bikes. I know one guy that
:45:16. > :45:18.has built a new house, that couldn't afford to put those in the house
:45:19. > :45:24.because he would go racing at the weekends. Until you have done it,
:45:25. > :45:31.you just can't describe what this addiction is like. Somebody that
:45:32. > :45:36.smokes, I think that they are mad. It is costing them a fortune. What
:45:37. > :45:42.is your wife seeing? It is fair to say that she would be happy to see
:45:43. > :45:46.me quitting. But up until tonight she has been 100% behind me in
:45:47. > :45:51.everything I have done. But at the minute, I am far from being fit to
:45:52. > :45:56.get on a bike. Would you be happy to see him going back, Karen?
:45:57. > :46:03.Realistically, with this injury, I didn't think he would be fit to, but
:46:04. > :46:08.a few years back, he had to quit, then he decided to go back and I
:46:09. > :46:13.supported him. And I would say if it did come through, I probably would
:46:14. > :46:19.support him. But I somehow think that with this injury, Ryan was very
:46:20. > :46:24.ill, and was very, very lucky to be here. Just with the injuries he has,
:46:25. > :46:29.I don't think he would be able to. Are you going to rule it out or not?
:46:30. > :46:33.The way I am looking at it at the minute, if I can get my body into
:46:34. > :46:38.the condition it needs to be, it is one thing getting on a bike and
:46:39. > :46:44.riding it, the other thing you have to look at, I have to be able to
:46:45. > :46:48.withstand the crash. There is no way if I had a small crash, it could
:46:49. > :46:56.kill me, you know? It is hard to say. I don't want to finish my
:46:57. > :47:01.career off the way it is now. But if my body is in fit enough I will just
:47:02. > :47:06.have to accept that. I have had a fantastic career. I have no regrets.
:47:07. > :47:13.I have enjoyed every minute, even through the bad times. We very much
:47:14. > :47:16.wish you well for the future. It is a serious subject tonight, but
:47:17. > :47:27.you'll also given as a laugh. So thank you very much indeed.
:47:28. > :47:31.US presidential hopeful Donald Trump caused an outcry earlier this week
:47:32. > :47:33.after being caught making remarks about groping women.
:47:34. > :47:35.The offensive comments were on a 2005 video
:47:36. > :48:02.Please bear in mind that some viewers may find this offensive.
:48:03. > :48:09.It was Walker room talk. I am not proud of it. I apologise to my
:48:10. > :48:12.family and to the American people. -- it was locker room talk.
:48:13. > :48:15.So are Donald Trump's words a relic of a bygone era,
:48:16. > :48:18.or do they lift the lid on how many men, and perhaps women,
:48:19. > :48:23.actually talk about the opposite sex behind closed doors?
:48:24. > :48:30.It is quite extraordinary, isn't it? It is important that I jumped
:48:31. > :48:35.straight in and challenge this idea of locker room banter. There are
:48:36. > :48:38.things that men say about women and vice versa that we don't intend
:48:39. > :48:45.anybody else to hear. There is absolutely issue, when I am using TV
:48:46. > :48:49.friendly language, when a guy says that she has got a great body and I
:48:50. > :48:53.would love to do by, Y and Z two hour, that would not be appropriate
:48:54. > :48:56.in the workplace, or in front of people who are uncomfortable with
:48:57. > :49:00.that language. But we're not talking about somebody saying what they
:49:01. > :49:03.would like to do. We are talking about somebody who said that they
:49:04. > :49:10.would actively, physically assault somebody without consent. He talked
:49:11. > :49:15.about consent and said that she said no, therefore he failed. He didn't
:49:16. > :49:20.force himself upon anyone. He said he just goes and grabs them. And
:49:21. > :49:24.that is a criminal offence, and a sort, that is not banter. That is a
:49:25. > :49:31.crime being talked about and we should be very clear about that. You
:49:32. > :49:36.are a big supporter of Donald Trump, we have brought you in from the
:49:37. > :49:39.States this evening. When he says locker room talk, does he really
:49:40. > :49:45.think that decent men talk about that in the locker room? In the
:49:46. > :49:49.locker room, I don't know, I have never been in one. What I thought
:49:50. > :50:01.was interesting, if you watch that debate, there were three woman
:50:02. > :50:04.there, and the other person, the very important person that you need
:50:05. > :50:09.to know her name was Cathy Shelton. We don't need to know any of their
:50:10. > :50:13.names, we don't know who they are. Let's cut to the point. Would you
:50:14. > :50:19.let me make my point? I did not interrupt you. The point is, what he
:50:20. > :50:22.said was bad but what Helu Clinton did was bad that Cathy Shelton,
:50:23. > :50:28.because when she was 12 years old, she was a young girl who was raped.
:50:29. > :50:34.The prosecutor that went after her was a woman by the name of... This
:50:35. > :50:39.is not where we are going with this. You know the score. Let me anchor of
:50:40. > :50:43.this tonight. What I want you to talk to me about is whether many
:50:44. > :50:50.American men and men anywhere in the world actually think that it is the
:50:51. > :50:55.way we speak? That we say, I am powerful, I can do whatever I want?
:50:56. > :50:59.Is that acceptable? Again, I look at those women who were the victims.
:51:00. > :51:03.They were the victims of a powerful man, they could not say anything
:51:04. > :51:08.because he was so powerful. It happens all the time that you see
:51:09. > :51:11.that, and it's not right, but the difference between saying words and
:51:12. > :51:16.doing, the women who were there had been accosted, had been assaulted,
:51:17. > :51:23.one of them had been raped. It is critical. What Donald Trump said,
:51:24. > :51:27.actively said that he would go around grabbing women by body parts,
:51:28. > :51:35.I have a daughter, sister and mother and a wife, and if you said anything
:51:36. > :51:41.like that about them I would react like Robert De Niro did. We don't
:51:42. > :51:44.only defend women because they might be your relatives. We should not
:51:45. > :51:49.assault women because women are human beings, for crying out loud! I
:51:50. > :51:53.have just agreed with that. That you can ill identify them as woman
:51:54. > :51:58.because they only belong to you, that is the kind of sexist nonsense
:51:59. > :52:04.that Donald Trump comes out with and you should be ashamed of yourself!
:52:05. > :52:07.If that was what he said, of course it is abhorrent. Nobody advocates
:52:08. > :52:12.violence against women and the body is going to defend what Donald Trump
:52:13. > :52:20.said, nobody. But let's move this forward to the way that men talk
:52:21. > :52:30.when they are in... Hold on, this is, Dawan, Marton. I got a taxi here
:52:31. > :52:33.tonight and I said, what is it like? And they said that the women are
:52:34. > :52:38.just as bad in Belfast, when they've had a few drinks, what they talk
:52:39. > :52:42.about in single sex groups. Men talk differently in single sex groups.
:52:43. > :52:50.Locker room banter is a thing. There is a code of loyalty amongst men.
:52:51. > :52:55.But what he said was grotesque. You think that women have banter about
:52:56. > :53:01.what they can do to men if they are so powerful, that they can exploit
:53:02. > :53:08.them? If you ever overhear a hen party at a bar, like I did at City
:53:09. > :53:12.Airport on the way out... This is quite frankly sexist and deluded
:53:13. > :53:16.nonsense that men are predatory sexist rapists and waiting and that
:53:17. > :53:20.woman are all innocent and pretty. All of us say things in single sex
:53:21. > :53:26.groups that we might not want to go public like this. It's probably
:53:27. > :53:30.happen to every single person in this audience, let's be honest. I
:53:31. > :53:36.have never made any jokes about raping men. Obviously rape is
:53:37. > :53:43.extreme, and there is nobody that would even remotely tried to defend
:53:44. > :53:53.it. What we are talking about is... You know what? Shush! What we're
:53:54. > :53:58.talking about is if women with up to a man in a nightclub and felt his
:53:59. > :54:03.bum. Is that any less of a lack of respect? She absolutely should not
:54:04. > :54:06.be doing it. Is that assault? Of course. Anyone you grab without
:54:07. > :54:11.their permission, that is a form of assault. If a woman says, I would
:54:12. > :54:15.like to see under your kilt, is that friendly banter or all right because
:54:16. > :54:18.it is a man? It is rude and it is not acceptable in the wrong
:54:19. > :54:21.circumstances it is not people that you are sure are comfortable with
:54:22. > :54:25.that sort of language, but there's quite a big difference between
:54:26. > :54:30.somebody making a joke and somebody doing that, maybe flirting and being
:54:31. > :54:32.a bit too forward. It is disappointing to imagine that men in
:54:33. > :54:38.our society or a woman or anybody doesn't know the difference between
:54:39. > :54:42.a bit of flirting and sexual assault, and justifying sexual
:54:43. > :54:46.assault. The overwhelming majority of people do. I have understood that
:54:47. > :54:50.from your comments already. You are saying something ludicrous and
:54:51. > :54:55.grotesque. You cannot say that male or female banter is OK, if you
:54:56. > :55:00.advocate sexual violence. That is preposterous. What Donald Trump is
:55:01. > :55:04.saying is not banter. It is something completely different. He
:55:05. > :55:10.is advocating, to a large extent admitting that he openly commits, a
:55:11. > :55:16.crime. It has nothing to do with banter. He's not saying that he has
:55:17. > :55:23.admitted to a crime. What he said was, he failed. Grabbing someone
:55:24. > :55:28.without their permission is definitely a crime in most places.
:55:29. > :55:31.You need to make this quick. I would like to say what is so sad is that
:55:32. > :55:37.we have come to a time when people cannot just like each other. Men and
:55:38. > :55:40.women, remember the old days when men with open doors for women and
:55:41. > :55:45.women would say thank you, and now we try to be so strong and equal, we
:55:46. > :55:50.have forgotten how to be nice to each other. What he said was wrong,
:55:51. > :55:56.he apologised and that was right. But what you are talking about, in a
:55:57. > :56:00.bar, why cant you flirt with a guide, and why can a girl flirt with
:56:01. > :56:11.the man? We have to get along with each other. We have forgotten how to
:56:12. > :56:17.be nice with each other. Stephen... Those remarks were made 11 years
:56:18. > :56:25.ago, I am sure. He was a young, immature 59-year-old 11 years ago!
:56:26. > :56:30.APPLAUSE He was not an elected politician
:56:31. > :56:34.then, but a high-flying businessman. He made flippant remarks in private,
:56:35. > :56:40.he thought, and your lady friend beside you has exaggerated and the
:56:41. > :56:45.whole of America and the world is over this story like a rash. What
:56:46. > :56:51.they have not got over is, more recently, publicly, exaggerated and
:56:52. > :56:55.threatened that if he got into power, he would ban an entire
:56:56. > :57:03.religion from entering his country. That story seemed to just fizzle
:57:04. > :57:07.away like the snows of last winter. Do you not think that some people
:57:08. > :57:12.are too sensitive? I agree with you. Wendy two sexes get-together, that
:57:13. > :57:16.is all right, when a group of girls or a group of men get together, they
:57:17. > :57:23.would say things that they would not say in mixed company. If there are
:57:24. > :57:26.people, men or women who refuse to admit the culture or harm of
:57:27. > :57:32.comments like the ones that Donald Trump has made, do you need to say
:57:33. > :57:44.more rate, someone you know, someone specific, is that how far you would
:57:45. > :57:51.need to go? This idea that it was ages ago, he still says things like
:57:52. > :57:52.that. That is all for this week. We will continue this discussion on the
:57:53. > :57:55.radio. Before we go, we have a treat
:57:56. > :57:57.for you - local singer, Janet Devlin, with her new single,
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:58:20. > :58:21.with ups # See these magazines
:58:22. > :58:28.with pretty girls # Rocking size 4, skinny
:58:29. > :58:32.jeans, I don't mind # Television screens
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:58:36. > :58:41.with ups # You could dress me
:58:42. > :58:54.like a paper doll # But it doesn't mean
:58:55. > :58:57.I'll do what I'm told # I think it's time
:58:58. > :59:11.different with ups # Too much time in the internet
:59:12. > :59:25.venture to the outernet # Saying " Why'd you
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:59:32. > :59:34.like a 10 year old # Your that ginger kid
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:59:37. > :59:38.hear then turn it off # It's not like I'm
:59:39. > :59:41.being played on the radio # And online your different
:59:42. > :59:43.likes are sophisticated # Some day we should
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:59:59. > :00:04.as the girls in the magazines # Gonna see myself as
:00:05. > :00:06.a piece of art # You teach them kids
:00:07. > :00:08.to love themselves # Never compare to what the media
:00:09. > :00:10.says # Cos in this world you can
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:00:13. > :00:13.yourself is so unacceptable # And online your different
:00:14. > :00:15.likes are sophisticated # Somed ay we should
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