Episode 4

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:00:00. > :00:00.Welcome along to the big show and what a show we have tonight!

:00:07. > :00:08.Bob Geldof is here with his Boomtown Rats.

:00:09. > :00:12.And of course we'll be discussing the big issues that you want to talk

:00:13. > :00:51.There've been massive political developments across these islands

:00:52. > :00:55.Scotland is calling for another independence referendum,

:00:56. > :00:58.Sinn Fein want a border poll, and in Dublin, Michael Martin

:00:59. > :01:01.is looking at a paper on Irish Unification,

:01:02. > :01:04.and the Taoiseach wants a referendum about Irish people north

:01:05. > :01:07.of the border being allowed to vote in their presidential elections.

:01:08. > :01:09.So big, big shifts happening post-Brexit, and then

:01:10. > :01:26.Ireland is told, get over it, don't worry about it, it is going to be a

:01:27. > :01:33.frictionless border, whatever the hell that means. Nobody knows. Let

:01:34. > :01:38.me put the record straight. No border, hard or soft, will be

:01:39. > :01:43.accepted by the people of Ireland. But British armoured cars and tanks

:01:44. > :01:49.and guns couldn't do in Ireland, 27 member states will not be able to

:01:50. > :01:53.do. Theresa May, your notion of the border, hard and soft, stick it

:01:54. > :01:59.where the sun doesn't shine, you are not getting it in Ireland.

:02:00. > :02:06.Some of the audience laughing. Is that funny or offensive? I

:02:07. > :02:11.understand why the laughing. It got quite a lot of feed on social media.

:02:12. > :02:16.A lot of Unionist people were sharing it and they were having

:02:17. > :02:20.quite a lot of humorous comments about that performance. I think if

:02:21. > :02:24.you just roll back three or four weeks, you had an election where

:02:25. > :02:30.Sinn Fein was constantly talking about respect and I think there was

:02:31. > :02:36.a severe absence of respect yesterday. Whenever Martina Anderson

:02:37. > :02:40.was making a speech. Wasn't a joke? It is a clear absence of respect.

:02:41. > :02:46.The comments from Michelle O'Neill over the last number of weeks as

:02:47. > :02:49.well, the waffle, waffle, waffle comments and so forth, there has

:02:50. > :02:53.been a severe lack of respect shown towards our Secretary of State who

:02:54. > :02:58.is here to do a job and should be shown courtesy. Matt Carthy from

:02:59. > :03:07.Sinn Fein, what is she at? Is your party trying to wind people up no?

:03:08. > :03:11.Was that coordinated, premeditated? Anybody who has been listening to

:03:12. > :03:15.what Martina Anderson are any one of the forged Sinn Fein MPs have been

:03:16. > :03:21.seen here in Strasbourg and Brussels will be not one bit surprised by the

:03:22. > :03:25.comments of Martina Anderson. Nobody has done more to protect the

:03:26. > :03:27.interests of the people of the Northern Ireland since the

:03:28. > :03:32.referendum last year and Martina Anderson. I have joined her on a

:03:33. > :03:34.number of occasions with the European Commissioners and

:03:35. > :03:38.representatives of the council with almost every delegation represented

:03:39. > :03:42.in the European Parliament making the case as strongly as it needs to

:03:43. > :03:48.be. The people in the north of Ireland will not suffer. Here is

:03:49. > :03:53.what I am asking you. How has your party got any moral authority left

:03:54. > :03:58.to ask the likes of the DUP to treat it with respect? You criticise them

:03:59. > :04:02.for not taking the population with respect, when your Representative

:04:03. > :04:08.Martina Anderson tells the British Prime Minister to stick deck for the

:04:09. > :04:17.sun doesn't shine. Is she really at that base level? The question you

:04:18. > :04:22.asked was what she at? Does she really have... Making the case as

:04:23. > :04:24.forcefully as it needs to be made so people right across Europe

:04:25. > :04:28.understand that the potential implications for the island of

:04:29. > :04:35.Ireland, north and south, of Brexit are so great we cannot allow it to

:04:36. > :04:40.become part of some... It is vulgar. That is where your party is that no.

:04:41. > :04:45.Did throw that type of offence at the British minister is vulgar, is

:04:46. > :04:50.it not? The point has been made as forcefully as needs to be made and

:04:51. > :04:54.we continue to make this point. Under no circumstances can we see

:04:55. > :04:58.any hardening of the Irish border. The reality is that lots of people

:04:59. > :05:03.in Ireland, north and south, going to suffer as a result of Brexit. The

:05:04. > :05:07.implications were always great as a result of Brexit. All of the

:05:08. > :05:10.challenges and problems presented are exacerbated because we are no

:05:11. > :05:17.fees with the prospect that one part of our country will be taken out of

:05:18. > :05:19.the EU is remaining. That is not the current discussion in Northern

:05:20. > :05:23.Ireland. The current discussion is the language that your party has

:05:24. > :05:26.used while asking other parties to show respect. It is one of your

:05:27. > :05:33.campaign slogans, for goodness sake. And then you should -- through that

:05:34. > :05:37.type of abuse at a British payments. White are you smiling? What is funny

:05:38. > :05:43.about it? If you want to be sensitive, that's your own business.

:05:44. > :05:49.Sinn Fein have been consistent in saying that we will argue and demand

:05:50. > :05:51.at every single opportunity in every single for privately and publicly we

:05:52. > :05:55.need to ensure there are special arrangements put in place so we

:05:56. > :05:59.don't see any hardening of the Irish border because the complications and

:06:00. > :06:02.implications of any such move would be so great that the error just

:06:03. > :06:06.simply an copperhead will to us and we are not going to tolerate any

:06:07. > :06:10.situation where a British Government behave as we have been doing for the

:06:11. > :06:13.past number of months, setting out their own strategies Brexit that

:06:14. > :06:21.doesn't give a single iota of concern for the invitations that

:06:22. > :06:24.will have for any county in Ireland, whether the six counties in the

:06:25. > :06:27.north or any of the rest. We see the implications for agriculture,

:06:28. > :06:32.business, students, the economy and the ever so great we need to make

:06:33. > :06:35.those points forcefully. When it comes to agriculture, the vast

:06:36. > :06:39.majority of the farming community voted to leave the European Union.

:06:40. > :06:42.The reason they voted to leave the European Union is they were sick,

:06:43. > :06:46.sore and tired of the regulations imposed upon them and the

:06:47. > :06:52.regulations posed upon business in general. How do you know the

:06:53. > :06:55.majority of them voted to leave? Doing the doors for the election,

:06:56. > :07:00.the Assembly election which took place before the European

:07:01. > :07:05.referendum, farmer after farmer after farmer was telling us that

:07:06. > :07:08.message, over and over again. A vast majority of Nationalist farmers, I

:07:09. > :07:16.believe, voted against, voted to leave the European Union as well. I

:07:17. > :07:19.speak to a lot of people and that committee. I know that community

:07:20. > :07:23.well and the voted to get out of Europe because they are sick so and

:07:24. > :07:26.tired of the regulations of people in Brussels telling them how to do

:07:27. > :07:30.their job and not telling them very well how to do it. They have been

:07:31. > :07:34.huge constraint on the welfare of agriculture, huge problems for

:07:35. > :07:38.agriculture and the benefits have come from Brussels are far

:07:39. > :07:46.outweighed by all of the rest... Go ahead. Picture hand up. With the SNP

:07:47. > :07:50.asking for a second independence referendum and Sinn Fein gesturing

:07:51. > :07:53.towards the border poll, it is time the British Government started

:07:54. > :07:58.taking the devolved institutions more seriously in the negotiations

:07:59. > :08:02.about Brexit? I think that is right. We need to take the devolved

:08:03. > :08:05.institutions and the whole of the United Kingdom and the Irish all

:08:06. > :08:12.talking together to work out how do we make the union work better. Not

:08:13. > :08:17.how do because to fall apart. Is direct rule free period going to be

:08:18. > :08:22.better? We want our Government any here and showing respect to each

:08:23. > :08:28.other. You think that can be done in three weeks? Three weeks of is what

:08:29. > :08:32.it starts with. We need to sort it was happening with our hospitals,

:08:33. > :08:36.schools, there is so much that needs to be done here. There is ten days

:08:37. > :08:44.left. You any closer to getting the deal? Work is taking place, I think

:08:45. > :08:51.next week will be a very, very busy week for all of us. Considerable

:08:52. > :08:55.background work is being done. Any compromise between new? You go into

:08:56. > :08:59.negotiations with a willingness to look at what other people are asking

:09:00. > :09:05.for, explore that and Testament as to why they're asking for it. To

:09:06. > :09:09.resolve issues. You don't go in with the hard-nosed attitude. At the same

:09:10. > :09:13.time, we intend to be tough in the negotiations but pragmatic in terms

:09:14. > :09:22.of getting the Assembly back in the room again. At any cost? Not at any

:09:23. > :09:26.cost. We are your red lines? We are not setting red lines. We are in

:09:27. > :09:33.there to negotiate. You have set red lines. There will never be an Irish

:09:34. > :09:38.Language Act under Arlene Foster. That is the red line. Is Sinn Fein

:09:39. > :09:44.would prefer James Brokenshire to be running Northern Ireland, van

:09:45. > :09:47.working with the DUP we want to actually run Northern Ireland, we

:09:48. > :09:51.want people in Northern Ireland to be making the decisions on behalf of

:09:52. > :09:54.the people of Northern Ireland. If Sinn Fein want to bring a British

:09:55. > :10:03.director Ronald ministered to build Northern Ireland, that'll be up to

:10:04. > :10:07.them. Go ahead. Does Theresa May's stands towards Nicola Sturgeon's

:10:08. > :10:13.Brexit concerns come straight out of Arlene Foster's hand-picked and is

:10:14. > :10:18.it helpful? What do you mean? The way she is just denouncing Nicola

:10:19. > :10:22.Sturgeon's concerns about Brexit. Theresa May doesn't seem to be

:10:23. > :10:27.taking anybody's concerns about this Brexit thing seriously apart from

:10:28. > :10:32.those concerns in her own party. There is a lot of truth in what you

:10:33. > :10:36.say. Certainly, the response of Theresa May to the mandate that

:10:37. > :10:42.Nicola Sturgeon has in Scotland was quite derisory and I think she has

:10:43. > :10:46.made it more difficult for herself to sell any future day with the

:10:47. > :10:52.devolved administrations. It has been our experience and experience

:10:53. > :10:57.of Scotland in particular. That is borne out in part by the comments of

:10:58. > :11:00.Martina Anderson, the lack of knowledge, around Brexit, what a

:11:01. > :11:05.double meaning, it is not just in terms of the border but the economy

:11:06. > :11:09.and our relationships. Even within England, it looks as though those

:11:10. > :11:14.who campaign for Brexit, once they've won, the actually jump ship

:11:15. > :11:20.and left it there. And now the hour trying to interpret what Brexit will

:11:21. > :11:24.mean. I actually think Theresa May's comments to Nicola Sturgeon were

:11:25. > :11:30.most unhelpful. Help me understand how that is not going to be some

:11:31. > :11:35.type of hard border. Help me understand how someone can walk

:11:36. > :11:38.effortlessly in and out of Europe. Northern Ireland will be outside of

:11:39. > :11:43.Europe, Ireland will be within inside Europe I can just walk over

:11:44. > :11:49.the border and there will be no checks. Is that right? Two choices.

:11:50. > :11:53.We could have a hard border, there could be checks. What Sinn Fein are

:11:54. > :11:56.seeing and we are seeing in the north last year, is that that wasn't

:11:57. > :12:03.something that was acceptable to them. How does your secure its

:12:04. > :12:08.border? What we have been putting forward is an argument for the north

:12:09. > :12:14.to receive special starters so it would remain part of the European

:12:15. > :12:18.Union. So there is no border at all? The border would be maintained on an

:12:19. > :12:26.island of Ireland basis, people coming in leaving the island of

:12:27. > :12:31.Ireland, would go through the same immigration controls. Would that

:12:32. > :12:33.work? Not necessarily. The border we have been told from the evidence

:12:34. > :12:38.given in the Northern Ireland affairs committee, the European side

:12:39. > :12:42.had to have checks for goods but as far as the Common travel area,

:12:43. > :12:46.people can move freely. It is only on the goods. There is a long way to

:12:47. > :12:52.go on negotiations and a lot to be played out. What happens with the

:12:53. > :12:56.dudes? What has been proposed by Sinn Fein is fantasy politics. That

:12:57. > :13:02.won't happen. There is no prospect of that happening. I don't want to

:13:03. > :13:07.remain in the European Union, I want out. I wouldn't be fighting for it.

:13:08. > :13:14.It is up to the Europeans what happens with the border. Theresa May

:13:15. > :13:18.doesn't want a hard border. The political representatives in

:13:19. > :13:21.Northern Ireland want a hard border. But if Europe insists they are going

:13:22. > :13:24.to have these tariffs and all of that there, it would be to the

:13:25. > :13:28.detriment of Europe because Britain imports twice as many goods to

:13:29. > :13:36.Europe as it exports from it. If the are going to be like this and going

:13:37. > :13:41.to insist on this, it will certainly be some kind of border. You have no

:13:42. > :13:45.problem with a hard border? We want the border to remain as it is, but

:13:46. > :13:49.if it's going to be imposed, is going to be imposed at the behest of

:13:50. > :13:53.the European Union. Martina Anderson was targeting the wrong person.

:13:54. > :13:59.Theresa May doesn't want a hard border. It's the Europeans who will

:14:00. > :14:04.impose it upon us, not Theresa May. It is Britain that will be doing it

:14:05. > :14:07.if they leave the customs union. You have different trading policies on

:14:08. > :14:12.either side of the border, you have to have physical checks. You cannot

:14:13. > :14:15.avoid it. We want is special deal for Northern Ireland, that could be

:14:16. > :14:25.wearing Northern Ireland stays in the European union, like Norway.

:14:26. > :14:29.What is the boat? In Northern Ireland the vote was for yes and

:14:30. > :14:34.quite clearly we have to appreciate a one size fits all Brexit across

:14:35. > :14:38.the UK is not going to work. It would work for Scotland, Northern

:14:39. > :14:42.Ireland. We have our peace process, I Good Friday Agreement, we are a

:14:43. > :14:51.divided society, we are now going down this road of... Why does this

:14:52. > :14:57.matter in terms of Europe? We need stability. The only way to have it

:14:58. > :15:00.is if we have some recognition of our special circumstances. If we are

:15:01. > :15:03.dragged out of the European Union against the well of local people

:15:04. > :15:10.without some form of special deal that recognises the fact... What

:15:11. > :15:13.special deal? We single market, European funding, how we protect the

:15:14. > :15:18.Good Friday Agreement. The whole essence of the agreement is that

:15:19. > :15:24.people buy into this shared space. People can operate on a north side

:15:25. > :15:31.bases, east west bases. What Brexit is about is beating downlines.

:15:32. > :15:40.Do you think we get a special deal? There is no prospect of it. I was

:15:41. > :15:44.speaking to our leader this week and she was talking about some form of

:15:45. > :15:53.special arrangement. She is not talking the Sinn Fein version of

:15:54. > :16:02.staying in the EU budget -- but she has recognising... What special deal

:16:03. > :16:06.does she want? I am aware of what the DUP has signed up to. It is for

:16:07. > :16:15.them to answer what they are talking about. You have hinted at it. Last

:16:16. > :16:17.summer they wrote a joint letter to the Prime Minister which touched on

:16:18. > :16:23.a number of issues facing Northern Ireland. There was a set of

:16:24. > :16:34.principles agreed... You said you spoke this week to Arlene Foster. I

:16:35. > :16:37.can see what they don't want is for Northern Ireland to remain part of

:16:38. > :16:42.the EU but they're saying it is different from the rest of the UK

:16:43. > :16:49.and we have to recognise that. She hasn't told you she wants a special

:16:50. > :16:55.deal. She says she recognises there are a special circumstances. If we

:16:56. > :17:04.had devilish -- devolution restored... It was a UK wide vote,

:17:05. > :17:10.special circumstances are not going to work. We knew it was either we

:17:11. > :17:21.are going as the UK are we are staying. I voted to leave. Northern

:17:22. > :17:29.Ireland voted to stay but it was a UK wide vote. Sinn Fein and anyone

:17:30. > :17:32.else should accept it. With respect, really what people thought about was

:17:33. > :17:43.just leaving the EU and getting extra millions into the health

:17:44. > :17:50.service. That disappeared quickly. That is the ?350 million a week on

:17:51. > :17:57.the side of the bus. It wasn't just that, Arlene made a comment during

:17:58. > :18:01.the week where she said there should be a special deal for Northern

:18:02. > :18:10.Ireland. America further and say that in terms of Brexit it is

:18:11. > :18:19.regrettable that the DUP fronted for a research group UK wide further

:18:20. > :18:25.Brexit campaign. It is very patronising to people. You know what

:18:26. > :18:31.it means but the public doesn't. Nobody knows what it means. Even

:18:32. > :18:37.those who campaigned for it. It means we are casting the shackles of

:18:38. > :18:43.Europe. It means the fifth largest economy in the world will run its

:18:44. > :18:53.own business. We have been relegated already. Tell that to the firms that

:18:54. > :18:58.might move back to France. Their economy has risen since the Brexit

:18:59. > :19:05.decision, employment and business have gone up and the economy is

:19:06. > :19:13.thriving. Are you saying the economy is thriving? The economy of the UK

:19:14. > :19:16.is thriving. There is more wealth amongst about 6% of the people and

:19:17. > :19:26.greater levels of poverty amongst a 90%. I know some other parties like

:19:27. > :19:30.to talk Northern Ireland down but our unemployment rate is half of

:19:31. > :19:36.what the average of Europe is. And look what our average salary is and

:19:37. > :19:43.the level of child poverty. We are talking Northern Ireland town again.

:19:44. > :19:52.It is about facing the facts. 48 workers this week, told the jobs

:19:53. > :20:01.were going, you covered that. In the absence of a devolved

:20:02. > :20:06.administration. That particular course of work was one I had

:20:07. > :20:09.actually saved. Civil servants in the absence of politicians have

:20:10. > :20:21.taken it away. All the more reason to sort ourselves out. We covered it

:20:22. > :20:28.on the show. It was an organisation that helped involvement will -- help

:20:29. > :20:34.vulnerable families. The civil servants have told them it is over.

:20:35. > :20:38.The civil service and health and social care board said it was a

:20:39. > :20:43.pilot project but civil servants have said that is it. 47 people are

:20:44. > :20:46.going to lose their jobs and there have been some vulnerable people

:20:47. > :20:58.contacting the shorter safe they are desperate now. Early intervention

:20:59. > :21:02.that took place with those families will save us hundreds of thousands

:21:03. > :21:16.of pounds each year because young people will get a chance in life. It

:21:17. > :21:21.is government. -- it is gone. We are prepared to get to the bottom of the

:21:22. > :21:30.problems that were around. Sinn Fein decided they would take advantage of

:21:31. > :21:35.the situation. Might you sacrifice your leader in order for governments

:21:36. > :21:38.to be restored in Northern Ireland because Sinn Fein are saying they

:21:39. > :21:45.will not go into government with you while Arlene Foster is being

:21:46. > :21:50.investigated? We fully support our leader. If anybody wants to dictate

:21:51. > :21:55.to the DUP as to who we nominate for any position, they will find it is

:21:56. > :22:03.our choice. We did not tell Sinn Fein that their people were

:22:04. > :22:07.unacceptable. If we listen carefully to what you have said, you're not

:22:08. > :22:12.saying that Arlene Foster will definitely be your leader nominated

:22:13. > :22:19.for the First Minister post. You might give her away. It is for hard

:22:20. > :22:35.to make that decision herself but we are not offering up Arlene Foster do

:22:36. > :22:39.-- to anybody. What you are not saying and what Arlene Foster is not

:22:40. > :22:48.saying is that she will definitely be the nominated candidate. You are

:22:49. > :22:58.leaving it open as an option. We are not setting red lines. Arlene Foster

:22:59. > :23:04.as a leader of a political party gained more seats than other

:23:05. > :23:09.political parties, why are you not saying that she will be the

:23:10. > :23:14.designated candidate? It is for her to make that decision and we are 100

:23:15. > :23:17.cent binder and if she nominates herself to be First Minister and

:23:18. > :23:29.then she will have our full endorsement. Has she talked about an

:23:30. > :23:35.option of her standing aside? No. So the uniform statement from the DUP

:23:36. > :23:39.is that it is her decision, you are all coincidentally saying the same

:23:40. > :23:46.thing. It just makes sense. That was was her decision as to who she would

:23:47. > :23:50.nominate last time as well. It is the job of the leader of the party.

:23:51. > :23:59.Do you think the union is under threat? No. Is Dublin circling

:24:00. > :24:10.around the union? People read into the election results that the unions

:24:11. > :24:13.are in a minute or two in the Assembly, even in the election were

:24:14. > :24:19.Sinn Fein worked so hard to get the vote out, still people came out to

:24:20. > :24:24.vote for Unionist parties. I voted to remain for a number of reasons

:24:25. > :24:29.but one was because I grew up on the border and I know what it is like

:24:30. > :24:33.living beside a visible hardboard and nobody from the panel can tell

:24:34. > :24:46.me what it is going to be like when we leave Europe, what my family will

:24:47. > :24:53.have to face. -- heart border. I had to cross the border to buy things,

:24:54. > :24:59.to practice my faith. Nobody understands what a heart border is

:25:00. > :25:16.to the people that live on it. There are so many people who live on

:25:17. > :25:19.the border and cross it all the time. We have big populations on

:25:20. > :25:26.either side so we have to restrict the UK not to leave the customs

:25:27. > :25:32.union. Europe is the biggest market so why are we throwing that we? If

:25:33. > :25:35.we can keep everyone in the customs union and think about the single

:25:36. > :25:43.market for Ireland then there are prospects of surviving and the

:25:44. > :25:52.region flourishing. The UK Government are being and talking in

:25:53. > :25:57.platitudes and meaningless phrases. What is most crucial is that we will

:25:58. > :26:00.get nowhere in terms of fighting for Northern Ireland unless we have an

:26:01. > :26:12.executive that is functional with a clear plan around Brexit. Therefore,

:26:13. > :26:16.to flip some of the questions, why doesn't Sinn Fein in the interests

:26:17. > :26:28.of the people of Northern Ireland, go into this negotiation now without

:26:29. > :26:32.any red lines? That is the spirit that Sinn Fein are entering the

:26:33. > :26:38.negotiation. You are dictating to them who their leader will be. We

:26:39. > :26:42.are stating clearly that we don't have the confidence in Arlene Foster

:26:43. > :26:49.that would allow us to support her nomination for First Minister while

:26:50. > :26:56.the cloud is still hanging over her. Does this DUP have confidence in

:26:57. > :27:00.Michelle O'Neill when she celebrates and engages and aligns himself with

:27:01. > :27:14.people who tried to put bullets into policemen many years ago? --

:27:15. > :27:21.herself. There are no clouds hanging over her in relation to cash

:27:22. > :27:24.scandals. She was found guilty by a judge as to how she administered her

:27:25. > :27:31.department in the Department of agriculture. I am sitting on an

:27:32. > :27:38.uncomfortable seat here and I have listened to the whole debate and I

:27:39. > :27:41.like to be able to complete one sentence without interruption. I

:27:42. > :27:46.think it is clear we need to say this. An earlier contribution quite

:27:47. > :27:52.rightly said that Theresa May, the Irish government, EU institutions,

:27:53. > :27:59.they are happy to say there should be no return to a hard border. But

:28:00. > :28:04.what do they all mean by marker on? Some cases it is the simple free

:28:05. > :28:09.movement of people. To us what a hard border is is anything that

:28:10. > :28:17.makes it more difficult for farmers for example to operate or trade in

:28:18. > :28:24.an all Ireland basis, for other businesses to operate, for students

:28:25. > :28:26.to travel across the border, anything that makes it more

:28:27. > :28:32.difficult for communities on either side of the border. The truth of the

:28:33. > :28:37.matter is that all of those things are up in there and up for

:28:38. > :28:45.negotiation as a result of the failure of the British government. I

:28:46. > :28:50.was going to ask who will man the border and who will pay for the

:28:51. > :28:55.people on the border? Who is going to man the border? There is a

:28:56. > :29:01.reality that given what happens during the troubles with the many

:29:02. > :29:04.soldiers and police officers, it is not realistic to have a customs

:29:05. > :29:10.borrowers would have been the case many years ago. A lot of it has to

:29:11. > :29:16.be around technology in terms of people movement. Even on goods it

:29:17. > :29:21.will have to be around technology. It is in the best interest of

:29:22. > :29:25.everyone that the EU do not insist that Britain leaves the single

:29:26. > :29:31.market. And that we all stay in the single market. Consequently we don't

:29:32. > :29:35.have a heart border. We have to move on.

:29:36. > :29:38.Well, you all know this show is all about the politics

:29:39. > :29:43.He's a household name who doesn't mince his words and likes to get

:29:44. > :30:00.You are on the European Parliament fishing committee and you are

:30:01. > :30:11.attempted one out of 43 meetings. -- attended. You are a fraud, Nigel.

:30:12. > :30:17.The gentle, he doesn't shout very much, please welcome Sir Bob Geldof.

:30:18. > :30:31.Good to see you. Hello. Help me get my head around where you are

:30:32. > :30:35.rattling your head with Brexit. It is, without question, the greatest

:30:36. > :30:42.act of national self harm that has ever been perpetrated in history.

:30:43. > :30:47.APPLAUSE And yet you are a Democrat and you

:30:48. > :30:51.respect the referendum. Where people stupid? I accepted, I don't respect

:30:52. > :30:58.it. I rejected argument but accept its result. Over the next two years,

:30:59. > :31:03.I will do everything in my power to undermine what Theresa May is doing,

:31:04. > :31:08.everything in my power within the Democratic confines. Why do you

:31:09. > :31:14.think you lost the referendum? Why do you think people voted for

:31:15. > :31:22.Brexit? I have got the passport and the kids of all got is, thank God.

:31:23. > :31:28.But it was an emotional moment and we know that it was the dawn of

:31:29. > :31:32.alternative facts and features news, we know that now. We knew it then.

:31:33. > :31:36.If you look at recent studies over the last few weeks, queer people

:31:37. > :31:41.have a certain sentiment about something and the told something

:31:42. > :31:50.menial to be false. -- certain people. There is a sense that this

:31:51. > :31:55.is better for us, it is not working at all. Where I would agree is that

:31:56. > :32:00.the EU is not functioning. I have been dealing with it with 30 years

:32:01. > :32:04.with regard to Africa and there is a bureaucratic mess. That's not to say

:32:05. > :32:13.the UK does not go in to the heart of this thing. The French are afraid

:32:14. > :32:19.of Germany. My main argument throughout all of this was that one

:32:20. > :32:24.singular reason I would vote to remain, and it goes to this country

:32:25. > :32:31.here, one singular reason is I will never, I will never vote for my

:32:32. > :32:36.children or my grandchildren to go to war. Never. I will never do that.

:32:37. > :32:40.If we are reduced, if Britain is the loose thread on the EU cardigan and

:32:41. > :32:46.we have pulled it with Brexit and the whole thing begins to unravel,

:32:47. > :32:50.stay with me, then we are reduced to economic competing states. When

:32:51. > :32:53.states compete economically and the small guy says that's my field over

:32:54. > :32:58.there and if you don't give it to me, I will get my mate rush out to

:32:59. > :33:02.give it to me. We are back to World War I and we are the most ardent,

:33:03. > :33:08.the most dangerous, the most tribal and wealthy continent ever for 2000

:33:09. > :33:13.years, we fought each other, the one great triumph of the EU is we have

:33:14. > :33:19.had 70 years of peace and look what the belt. You seriously think Brexit

:33:20. > :33:25.could lead to another war? It could lead to an unravelling of this

:33:26. > :33:31.desperately complex compact. If it does lead to an unravelling, we are

:33:32. > :33:37.already in a brutal world war anyway with proxy. Things like Al-Qaeda and

:33:38. > :33:45.Isis fighting each other. Not so much under the wire any more. You

:33:46. > :33:50.know me, I know you, I bought the artist of people. Stay where I am

:33:51. > :33:53.coming from. 1814 was the Battle of Waterloo, one century had to die and

:33:54. > :34:01.another had to be born because there was new technology. It resulted in

:34:02. > :34:07.an afternoon, a day of Matt Kuchar. The greater the first day of the

:34:08. > :34:12.Somme, get rid of old politics because a new economy is coming.

:34:13. > :34:18.Must we repeat that the 21st-century? No. You are not

:34:19. > :34:23.seriously suggesting... I am. Within our lifetime, a few years our

:34:24. > :34:28.European partners fighting with this country in a war? You are not

:34:29. > :34:35.suggesting that. If you look at Russia and a thug like Vladimir

:34:36. > :34:39.Putin, already illegally invading Crimea and he is starring in the

:34:40. > :34:48.Balkans, big-time, where he currently tried to... That is very

:34:49. > :34:52.First World War. The Balkans are frightened to death. Britain has

:34:53. > :34:58.sent 800 troops out there, Germany has sent 500, they are scared of

:34:59. > :35:01.sending their own troops. We are in one here and the people here talking

:35:02. > :35:08.about the border, please guys, please, please, please let's not go

:35:09. > :35:12.back to that, please. Let's not go back to that nonsense that we have

:35:13. > :35:19.had to put up with here, please. What do you mean? The border. There

:35:20. > :35:25.may be. This is the worst Government. I am serious. You have

:35:26. > :35:29.an odious unprincipled creep, and unfunny clown as Foreign Secretary,

:35:30. > :35:35.he really is awful. A very popular man. He lied his way to try and get

:35:36. > :35:41.into position. He has no principle other than herself. He was a lousy

:35:42. > :35:46.mayor. He is a clown. This is anti-democratic. You are pumping

:35:47. > :35:52.your anger into all of these people and denigrating them as characters.

:35:53. > :35:56.Boris Johnson was one of the most popular politicians. That is what

:35:57. > :36:05.you do on a nightly basis. You get paid for it, I don't.

:36:06. > :36:11.APPLAUSE Johnson is useless. He is not up to

:36:12. > :36:15.the job. He goes off and denigrate leaders to diseases. Hello. You talk

:36:16. > :36:19.about that moment in Brussels. David Davis who I know and spoke far in

:36:20. > :36:28.his constituency when he stood down on the 42 days, he asked me if I

:36:29. > :36:32.would go and he came. I spoke with him, he has never done a negotiation

:36:33. > :36:36.in his life. What is your sense of what's happening here in Northern

:36:37. > :36:40.Ireland? Some people are worried. Our Government has fallen. The two

:36:41. > :36:49.big parties, people would argue, they entrenching now into their core

:36:50. > :36:55.base and he did have the DUP on easily talking before the election

:36:56. > :37:00.about a radical Republican agenda, that Sinn Fein have. And you have

:37:01. > :37:04.Sinn Fein talking about Irish unity and very much appealing to their

:37:05. > :37:10.base. Are you worried about what's happening in Northern Ireland? We

:37:11. > :37:14.have no Government. We have no Government and that is really a

:37:15. > :37:22.shame that it's come down to two views of what this places. -- what

:37:23. > :37:25.this place is. You see it's a radical Republican agenda, I don't

:37:26. > :37:28.want to speak about the politics in this place because an city before

:37:29. > :37:34.the show, it is not pertinent because I don't know enough about

:37:35. > :37:40.it. I am for staying in Europe. It's a mess but you can change it. I saw

:37:41. > :37:44.the representative of the DUP about farmers. The farmers will be killed

:37:45. > :37:49.by this. The young people who voted against it, the future has been

:37:50. > :37:54.taken from them. This is true, Stephen. You don't know. It's an

:37:55. > :38:02.unknown. Of course you know, look at the facts. A deal hasn't been done

:38:03. > :38:07.yet. What you are you talking about? The Theresa May is going to be

:38:08. > :38:12.negotiated. This is nonsense. It is the Crystal Method Government. The

:38:13. > :38:18.are saying it's going to be great. Let me tell you, hope is not a plan.

:38:19. > :38:23.What do people do now? You say you're going to spend every minute

:38:24. > :38:30.you can under many Theresa May. I will be playing with the The

:38:31. > :38:34.Boomtown Rats and he is up there and doesn't care what he says. You did

:38:35. > :38:39.say you're going to try and undermine what Theresa May is doing.

:38:40. > :38:42.What can you do? I have got no power at all but I can only persuade with

:38:43. > :38:47.absolute evidence as opposed to the lies that people vote on. I respect

:38:48. > :38:51.the people who voted for all the reasons they voted but I reject your

:38:52. > :38:55.argument and it is my democratic right, just like you don't like what

:38:56. > :39:00.happened in this election, so you must keep the argument going. Where

:39:01. > :39:04.is the opposition in parliament and Westminster? Where is it? Nicola

:39:05. > :39:08.Sturgeon is the opposition. What happened to the Labour Party? BIP to

:39:09. > :39:15.be Her Majesty Buzz 's official opposition, it isn't clear. May keep

:39:16. > :39:19.seeing the people of Britain, no they didn't. Some couldn't be

:39:20. > :39:24.bothered. 48 million said no and some are too young to vote. The vast

:39:25. > :39:28.majority of people said no or didn't vote at all. This must be fought

:39:29. > :39:34.tooth and nail because it's existential to the future of

:39:35. > :39:38.Britain. You go out and you argue. You go out and you campaign, you

:39:39. > :39:45.walk in the streets, I know it's a drag. And who cares what I see? But

:39:46. > :39:50.it's so important that my kids can have a life. I watched these guys

:39:51. > :39:55.here in the front row nodding and objecting. I don't know how you

:39:56. > :39:59.voted, lads, but my life was we would be queueing overnight on

:40:00. > :40:01.borders with the checked every guitar, every amplifier, sleeping in

:40:02. > :40:06.seats where we try to cross the border. Then the EU happens and we

:40:07. > :40:11.breezed through. When I was trying to go around Europe getting any job

:40:12. > :40:16.I could, I had to go under the wire and get rubbish jobs. Now, you get a

:40:17. > :40:20.Ryanair over to Berlin for a weekend, you go to the club, you

:40:21. > :40:26.like it, you find someone, you go to the flat, you hang out. Maybe stay a

:40:27. > :40:33.week. I'd apply for a job. That's over! The future is closed. Get

:40:34. > :40:43.stuck in at open it up. Where do you get this energy from? From you.

:40:44. > :40:47.APPLAUSE Seriously though. It's not for me to

:40:48. > :40:54.see what you're saying is right or wrong but I love your passion. Do

:40:55. > :41:00.you never actually... I bore people. I really wish I didn't. I told you

:41:01. > :41:06.my whizbang plan, you said that will never work. Here is the plan. If

:41:07. > :41:11.only to a Theresa May, here is the plan. It is the Hibernian

:41:12. > :41:18.federation. You are not going onto the next ten minutes. You have got

:41:19. > :41:25.20 seconds. Everything is up for grabs. You on a rock star and

:41:26. > :41:29.talking about this. We get Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic,

:41:30. > :41:33.the three capsules, three separate entities but they join up in a

:41:34. > :41:40.federation, it back to Earth Scotland into the EU, the except the

:41:41. > :41:44.euro, for the Republic, the keep all the benefits of an additional larger

:41:45. > :41:50.economy, for Northern Ireland to keep the benefits of the EU while

:41:51. > :41:59.expanding their pop -- economy and Theresa May starts worrying. Don't

:42:00. > :42:03.you blame me that we haven't had time to talk about the fact that you

:42:04. > :42:08.are coming to Belfast. You are playing next Friday. For the first

:42:09. > :42:19.time in years. Why and coming back? I love it. I love it here. We all

:42:20. > :42:23.do. We have been here, coming for 40 years. It has always been fantastic

:42:24. > :42:30.playing here, one of the greatest venues. Belfast was always the best

:42:31. > :42:32.venue. Belfast, Glasgow, to play. We are a mega- band, probably the

:42:33. > :42:38.greatest band in the world, as you know. Shut up! And we are coming

:42:39. > :42:44.back to prove the point. I wish I could get away with wearing a suit

:42:45. > :42:48.like that. You won't! Bob, thanks very much. You're going to sing for

:42:49. > :42:52.us later on. Thanks. We will hear from Sir Bob Geldof

:42:53. > :42:58.later on, he's going to sing for us. Right, it's that time of year again,

:42:59. > :43:01.St Patrick's Day, and if you're wondering about the Universities'

:43:02. > :43:03.policy of giving a reading day to students today and tomorrow,

:43:04. > :43:06.it's because they are trying to encourage students to leave

:43:07. > :43:09.the area and avoid a repeat of this. Imagine living in

:43:10. > :43:35.the middle of this. A lot of the students are gathering

:43:36. > :43:38.already tonight to start the party. We sent a camera up

:43:39. > :43:53.to the University area to hear We don't do anything except drinking

:43:54. > :44:02.our own gardens because the union would get involved. -- University.

:44:03. > :44:07.We are getting a hard time and we are not doing any harm. It is not

:44:08. > :44:11.fair to brand all the students with that image. It is unrealistic to

:44:12. > :44:23.what St Patrick's Day is about for all of us. It is about celebrating

:44:24. > :44:28.your heritage. It is not as if everyone who lives here is actively

:44:29. > :44:33.bad. It is that once you are there it is easy to be drawn into the

:44:34. > :44:40.wrong lifestyle. It is a religious day but students think otherwise.

:44:41. > :44:45.But I am in equilibria, I don't mind getting drunk or sitting chilled, it

:44:46. > :44:52.will be a good night. Students work hard all year round and then one day

:44:53. > :45:02.of the year they want to get have a good day. There is letter but it

:45:03. > :45:05.doesn't cost that much to clean up. We get the impression that

:45:06. > :45:10.universities are going to be penalties on us and we are going to

:45:11. > :45:15.get kicked out but it is not as, it is the people who are coming up. I

:45:16. > :45:23.think we have to have respect for everyone in the area. What residents

:45:24. > :45:34.live there now, realistically? There are more students than residents so

:45:35. > :45:39.surely our voice should be louder. What residents realistically live

:45:40. > :45:45.their? What residents want is a quiet night. St Patrick's Day is

:45:46. > :45:51.focused on Saint Patrick at the minute but we have practical every

:45:52. > :45:57.term night of the week there is something going on. People clear off

:45:58. > :46:03.about half past ten, they front-load beforehand. It gets quiet for about

:46:04. > :46:09.three hours until about three o'clock and they come back shouting

:46:10. > :46:19.and running over cars and it isn't fun. We have been talking about

:46:20. > :46:23.this, since about 20 years ago when I was skinny, you have lost the

:46:24. > :46:31.argument. This goes on every year. It doesn't mean it is right. It

:46:32. > :46:37.means you're not going to stop it. The police have offered three times

:46:38. > :46:41.the number of officers over the period coming up to St Patrick's

:46:42. > :46:47.Day. The argument is with the wrong people. This problem was created by

:46:48. > :46:52.property developers funded by the Housing executive. We have created a

:46:53. > :46:56.ghetto for students. If I was 18 years old on Friday morning I'll be

:46:57. > :47:01.down there at ten o'clock with my own bottle of cider cos that is what

:47:02. > :47:05.young people do. But we created a ghetto in which you bring thousands

:47:06. > :47:12.of young people together. It has been ruined. You think what it was

:47:13. > :47:18.30 or 20 years ago, it was the best mixed area in Belfast. It was a

:47:19. > :47:23.beautiful area, I lived there and had friends there, Protestant and

:47:24. > :47:29.Catholic, people at the University, working-class people, it was

:47:30. > :47:35.wonderful. It was destroyed by developers and the whole plan to

:47:36. > :47:44.create an area first and is. It is now a zoo. I don't think it is fair

:47:45. > :47:53.to call it a zoo but also not fair for us to concentrate on saying it

:47:54. > :48:04.is the fault of students. Did you live there? Certainly no. He

:48:05. > :48:09.wouldn't live their? I mean, I moved home from London a few weeks ago.

:48:10. > :48:15.I'm staying on the Mullen wrote. That doesn't help my case at all,

:48:16. > :48:24.does it? Why do we focus on students? Because they're getting

:48:25. > :48:27.drunk. The majority of people who go there on St Patrick's Day are

:48:28. > :48:31.actually just young people who are not students but they know that is

:48:32. > :48:37.where you have to go. In fact, students face a lot of consequences

:48:38. > :48:44.and penalties from universities which is more of a disincentive. You

:48:45. > :48:50.remember freshers week. If you go on the first week outside Queens,

:48:51. > :48:55.people are giving out drinks vouchers, the entire bar culture of

:48:56. > :49:01.self Belfast is constructive and students in the first thing you get

:49:02. > :49:07.when you arrive in Belfast as a student is not your books or grant,

:49:08. > :49:11.it is a drinks voucher. And the students bring their friends, their

:49:12. > :49:18.younger siblings, people come into the area. It is because the students

:49:19. > :49:24.that they are attracted all. They're coming for a big party. It is not

:49:25. > :49:28.the way to behave nowadays. There is no respect shown to people who have

:49:29. > :49:36.lived there. You're not the enemy here but you represent the students.

:49:37. > :49:39.Do you think they care? I am neither a student nor a representative of

:49:40. > :49:44.them so I would encourage any students in the audience to speak up

:49:45. > :49:49.for themselves. I think a great deal of them do care. Think about the

:49:50. > :49:53.people who do cause upset, and I am not defending them at all, people

:49:54. > :50:04.who break the law are subject to the law. No, they're not. They ought to

:50:05. > :50:10.be. The you're not allowed to walk openly with open cans of beer or

:50:11. > :50:19.whatever, and they do it and get away with it. I would never condone

:50:20. > :50:26.anti-social behaviour but the problem is more holistic. All year

:50:27. > :50:32.round you have absentee landlords, rundown areas, housing that needs

:50:33. > :50:37.investment in regeneration. Rundown housing doesn't prompt them to get

:50:38. > :50:41.drunk on St Patrick's Day. If they took an interest around the whole

:50:42. > :50:44.year where there is a lot of reinvestment to be done then maybe

:50:45. > :50:48.the problem would be solved. Your demonising students yet we are one

:50:49. > :50:56.of the main economic contributors around that area. What, with buying

:50:57. > :51:03.drink? We rent out the houses and we're shopping and creating an

:51:04. > :51:06.economic injection into the economy. I think the mistake was destroying a

:51:07. > :51:11.beautiful area by putting students there. Property developers made big

:51:12. > :51:14.money out of it and the Housing executive put money to fund them to

:51:15. > :51:21.redevelop and you have created... I would break it up. Try to get some

:51:22. > :51:28.accommodation for students outside of the area. Distribute it so they

:51:29. > :51:33.are not bundled together in mass numbers. Separate them and restore

:51:34. > :51:41.it to what it was, a lovely housing area. Is one day of partying that

:51:42. > :51:47.bad? It is constant. You're talking about people not being prosecuted,

:51:48. > :51:53.in one year less than ten people were prosecuted for drinking and if

:51:54. > :51:57.you walk down on St Patrick's Day you'll see about 1000 and the worst

:51:58. > :52:05.that has happened is able get their bottle taken off them. Should the

:52:06. > :52:10.PSNI not just do their job and sorted out? Make sure they are there

:52:11. > :52:16.whenever the students go home, stop the riotous behaviour? It would be

:52:17. > :52:23.difficult for the police to remove alcohol from hundreds. They could.

:52:24. > :52:34.We pay hundreds of pounds assistance to live there but the way that Irish

:52:35. > :52:42.firms act during the Euros, they get rewarded for acting the same way we

:52:43. > :52:51.act on St Patrick's Day. -- fans. Is it fair enough? The students take up

:52:52. > :53:00.90% of the place and have fun on one day of the year and yet the Northern

:53:01. > :53:05.Ireland and Republic of Ireland fans can be celebrated for doing the same

:53:06. > :53:10.sort of thing but then all the media outlets slate us. You talk about

:53:11. > :53:20.getting the students out but it is one of the closest places to Queens.

:53:21. > :53:24.There is housing all over all fast. South Belfast is much bigger, so

:53:25. > :53:28.spread them about. The concentration and then you bring drinking and big

:53:29. > :53:33.festivals and you have mayhem. It is not just one day of the year. People

:53:34. > :53:37.living there are putting up with ghastly noise from neighbours all

:53:38. > :53:41.the time. That was a good area, lovely area, it could be a lovely

:53:42. > :53:48.area again. I wish we had more time to talk about this but tonight I'm

:53:49. > :53:54.afraid we don't. You are a starstruck! I like the man.

:53:55. > :53:55.Right, I promised you the Boomtown Rats.

:53:56. > :54:27.Here they are with one of their biggest hits - Rat Trap.

:54:28. > :54:31.# There was a lot of rocking going on that night.

:54:32. > :54:34.# Cruising time for the young bright lights.

:54:35. > :54:37.# Just down past the gasworks, by the meat factory door.

:54:38. > :54:40.# The five lamp boys were coming on strong.

:54:41. > :54:44.# The Saturday night city beat had already started.

:54:45. > :54:47.# The pulse of the corner boys sprang into action.

:54:48. > :54:50.# And young Billy watched it all under the yellow street light.

:54:51. > :55:01.# And said, "Tonight of all nights there's gonna be a fight".

:55:02. > :55:04.# Billy don't like it living here in this town.

:55:05. > :55:07.# He says the traps have been sprung long before he was born.

:55:08. > :55:10.# He says hope bites the dust behind all the closed doors.

:55:11. > :55:12.# And pus and grime ooze from its scab crusted sores.

:55:13. > :55:15.# There's screaming and crying in the high rise blocks.

:55:16. > :55:17.# It's a rat trap, Billy, but you're already caught.

:55:18. > :55:21.# But you can make it if you want to or you need it bad enough.

:55:22. > :55:24.# You're young and good looking and you're acting kind of tough.

:55:25. > :55:27.# Anyway it's Saturday night, time to see what's going down.

:55:28. > :55:30.# Put on the bright suit, Billy, head for the right side of town.

:55:31. > :55:33.# It's only eight o'clock but you're already bored.

:55:34. > :55:37.# You don't know what it is but there's got to be more.

:55:38. > :55:40.# You'd better find a way out, hey, kick down that door.

:55:41. > :55:51.# It's a rat trap and you've been caught.

:55:52. > :55:54.# In this town Billy says everybody tries to tell you what to do.

:55:55. > :56:04.# In this town Billy says everybody says you gotta follow rules.

:56:05. > :56:06.# You walk up to those traffic lights.

:56:07. > :56:10.# You push in that button, and when that button comes alight.

:56:11. > :57:04.# Take a walk with me. take a walk, take a walk.

:57:05. > :57:07.# Little Judy's trying to watch Top Of The Pops.

:57:08. > :57:10.# But Mum and Dad are fighting, don't they ever stop?

:57:11. > :57:13.# She take down her coat and walks down to the street.

:57:14. > :57:17.# It's cold on that road, but it's got that home beat.

:57:18. > :57:20.# Deep down in her pocket, she finds 50p.

:57:21. > :57:23.# Now is that any way for a young girl to be?

:57:24. > :57:27.# "I'm gonna get out of school, work in some factory.

:57:28. > :57:31.# "Work all the hours God gave me, get myself a little easy money".

:57:32. > :57:40.# Her mind's made up, she walks down the road.

:57:41. > :57:44.# Her hands in her pockets, coat buttoned 'gainst the cold.

:57:45. > :57:47.# She finally finds Billy down at the Italian cafe.

:57:48. > :57:50.# When he's drunk it's hard to understand what Billy says.

:57:51. > :57:54.# But then he mumbles in his coffee and suddenly roars.

:57:55. > :58:00.# "It's a rat trap, Judy, and we've been caught!"