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:00:14. > :00:21.Mrs Outside Source, we will bring you the latest on the Paris attacks.

:00:22. > :00:26.Arrests have been made in France and Belgium, but one of the main

:00:27. > :00:35.suspects are still on the run. Earlier the French president,

:00:36. > :00:43.Francois Hollande, spoke. We are at war, a new type of war against a new

:00:44. > :00:49.sort of enemy. We will also focus on the man that supposedly masterminded

:00:50. > :00:59.the attack and we will get into sport as well. That is the man that

:01:00. > :01:03.is accused of being behind the attacks. We will also get into sport

:01:04. > :01:08.because there is a friendly match between England and France at

:01:09. > :01:11.Wembley and it has taken on huge symbolic importance. Security has

:01:12. > :01:15.been stepped up before the game and some of the players have been

:01:16. > :01:20.speaking. We will also hear from BBC Russia

:01:21. > :01:42.about how they are covering the story. Welcome to those watching on

:01:43. > :01:45.the BBC News Channel. I know you have been watching David Cameron

:01:46. > :01:52.give a speech. He was at a banquet in London. Let us see a little of

:01:53. > :01:58.what he had to say. The root cause of this threat is the poisonous

:01:59. > :02:01.ideology of extremism itself. This ideology, this TV 's view of the

:02:02. > :02:09.world, has become an epidemic, affecting minds from mosques to

:02:10. > :02:13.bedrooms. -- this twisted view of the world. We have to stop it from

:02:14. > :02:18.the start, stop the seat of hatred being planted in peoples minds let

:02:19. > :02:22.alone allowing it to grow. This means confronting the ideology with

:02:23. > :02:27.our own liberal values, exposing this extremism for what it is, a

:02:28. > :02:33.belief system that glorifies violence and subjugated people, not

:02:34. > :02:36.least some people. Better still to the International correspondent for

:02:37. > :02:46.the BBC. Thank you for joining us on Outside Source. First we have a

:02:47. > :02:51.question from Hardy. He says can we ask why Obama has been bombing for

:02:52. > :02:59.30 months but now they are stronger than ever. The figure that has been

:03:00. > :03:05.used is that 20,000 people have been killed during the bombings. It is

:03:06. > :03:10.clear and any military expert would a soldier from the start that you do

:03:11. > :03:15.not win this of water from the air, so who will be putting boots on the

:03:16. > :03:20.ground. The events of late has emphasised that the strategy is not

:03:21. > :03:24.working and from the beginning the strategy was described as breaking

:03:25. > :03:27.the momentum of the so-called Islamic State, but it is no longer

:03:28. > :03:34.measured by how much territory they have in Iraq and Syria, it is now

:03:35. > :03:39.being measured by Paris and be rich and other places that are under

:03:40. > :03:43.threat. They have proven their ability to carry out these attacks.

:03:44. > :03:46.And we are to stage will be conceived for sure that Islamic

:03:47. > :03:51.State or behind the Russian plane that was coming down? President

:03:52. > :03:56.Putin was asked about it and he says it is still not clear. The Egyptian

:03:57. > :04:02.state is still not clear. American intelligence experts are saying that

:04:03. > :04:05.there are intelligence is patchy. They do not have the kind of

:04:06. > :04:10.intelligence they can put together. They are still sceptical and they

:04:11. > :04:14.had not come out with any certainty. Some people are saying they are 90%

:04:15. > :04:20.sure but I think people are saying that until his death on it, although

:04:21. > :04:33.so-called Islamic State are already celebrating to increase propaganda

:04:34. > :04:39.value. Here's a question from India: The big question you have discussed

:04:40. > :04:42.in this programme is to do with the movement of people in Europe, the

:04:43. > :04:47.borderless Europe, and it is now under threat. I was following the

:04:48. > :04:53.migrants and refugees over the summer and saw how some countries

:04:54. > :04:56.put wire fences and of police along the border and some are now bolting

:04:57. > :05:01.down the hatches even more with reports that it could've been a

:05:02. > :05:09.Syrian who came through that migrant trail who was responsible for the

:05:10. > :05:13.attacks in Paris. You carried the Arab uprisings from the beginning.

:05:14. > :05:16.Did you ever imagined that its importance would reach so far that

:05:17. > :05:20.we would be implying this kind of pressure on the central tenets of

:05:21. > :05:23.the European Union? It is extraordinary. I was listening to a

:05:24. > :05:30.speech by one of the great thinkers of our time he talked about how we

:05:31. > :05:34.live in a unique moment and it is unique because it is a leaderless

:05:35. > :05:40.world and because it is so unpredictable. It is fine for it to

:05:41. > :05:44.be unpredictable for us but it has become unpredictable for some of the

:05:45. > :05:48.world's best intelligence agencies, it is difficult to measure how the

:05:49. > :05:53.world will turn and it has been turning for the worst. There has

:05:54. > :06:02.been a lot of social media about how proportionate coverage of the

:06:03. > :06:06.attacks has been. Now one is disputing that it is terrible but we

:06:07. > :06:11.know there have been other atrocities. How do we judge these

:06:12. > :06:16.things? It is so difficult. We feel the pain of people in Lebanon

:06:17. > :06:20.Beirut, people who lived in places that had not seen devastation for a

:06:21. > :06:25.long time, and then before the Paris pawning is killed by an attack. They

:06:26. > :06:30.said that why did they not get the said that why did they not get the

:06:31. > :06:35.safety check that was out for Paris, I did everyone put the French flag

:06:36. > :06:39.on the avatars, I was thinking about this and watching the coverage of

:06:40. > :06:43.Paris, we're getting the names and faces and stories and on a human

:06:44. > :06:48.level you feel for these people who have lost their lives. We do not get

:06:49. > :06:54.that level of detail, we do not know who died in Beirut, we do not know

:06:55. > :07:02.who dies every day in Syria and Iraq, and until we can provide the

:07:03. > :07:05.same kind of human context to the stories, and often the stories in

:07:06. > :07:09.Syria are too dangerous for the media to reach. But it is an

:07:10. > :07:16.important question to ask. Thank you for making time for us. Do follow us

:07:17. > :07:21.on Twitter if you have any questions you would like to raise. She was

:07:22. > :07:24.mentioning the stories of some of those who were lost and we will be

:07:25. > :07:28.hearing tributes to those who lost their lives on Friday in hearing

:07:29. > :07:32.from some of those who survived the attacks in a few minutes on Outside

:07:33. > :07:35.Source. But now we're going to turn to sport, although it has been

:07:36. > :07:39.completely overshadowed by what happened in Paris. There is a

:07:40. > :07:43.friendly match taking place on Tuesday night between England and

:07:44. > :07:47.France. It was always scheduled to take place at Wembley and now it has

:07:48. > :07:49.taken on a greater significance. Both teams have given press

:07:50. > :08:00.conferences in the last few hours, letters you what they said. We have

:08:01. > :08:07.to play football and try to escape people during the game and there

:08:08. > :08:16.will be a lot of emotion from us, from players, but as I say, we are

:08:17. > :08:24.in London in England and we know that the English people are very

:08:25. > :08:31.respectful and obviously it will be a great moment of solidarity. I have

:08:32. > :08:38.team-mates from a club in both teams there as well and I spoke to them

:08:39. > :08:43.after it happens and it is hard for everyone, including ourselves, and

:08:44. > :08:51.we have to try and be as respectful as they can and then there is a

:08:52. > :09:00.football match and it will be tough for the French players, but I am

:09:01. > :09:06.sure it will be a chance for them to try and do their country proud and

:09:07. > :09:10.I'm sure all the players have felt in the last few days that they will

:09:11. > :09:16.give everything they can to make France proud and likewise we will

:09:17. > :09:24.represent England and shall I respect to France at this time. Our

:09:25. > :09:29.correspondent is life on the BBC Sports Centre. Three of those

:09:30. > :09:40.attackers were targeting the Stade de France. I'm thinking that

:09:41. > :09:44.security will be high Wembley? It is always a major operation

:09:45. > :09:48.policing Wembley Stadium. Many people are expected there for the

:09:49. > :09:53.match and some of those will be travelling French fans who were at

:09:54. > :09:57.the Stade de France when the explosions were heard outside during

:09:58. > :10:02.the friendly match against Germany on Friday night was targeted in

:10:03. > :10:08.those Paris attacks. The police said that they to reassure the fans and

:10:09. > :10:11.the French team, what a strange situation for them to the end,

:10:12. > :10:15.because they were given the option to withdraw from the match tomorrow

:10:16. > :10:20.evening against England but they have travelled in school, the whole

:10:21. > :10:24.squad of 23. They trained at Wembley this evening and they said that they

:10:25. > :10:28.are doing it out of solidarity. The police say that there will be in

:10:29. > :10:34.crease and highly visible armed police, but they say they have that

:10:35. > :10:37.no specific information regarding any security threat. The British

:10:38. > :10:42.Transport Police and the armed peace officers will be highly visible on

:10:43. > :10:46.all approaches towards Wembley Stadium, which is going to be a

:10:47. > :10:52.strange atmosphere and sure tomorrow evening.

:10:53. > :10:56.Thank you. The words of the French national anthem will be on big

:10:57. > :11:01.screens in Wembley and England fans are being encouraged to sing with

:11:02. > :11:04.the French players. There were questions about whether the parish

:11:05. > :11:07.attacks will affect the next Euro Championships which will take place

:11:08. > :11:12.on 560. The authorities say absolutely not. The Republic of

:11:13. > :11:18.Ireland have qualified for the tournament. In a few moments on

:11:19. > :11:23.Outside Source, I will be hearing from BBC Arabic and BBC Persian to

:11:24. > :11:28.hear how they are covering the Paris attacks, particularly looking at the

:11:29. > :11:32.diplomatic consequences. One of the questions being asked repeatedly by

:11:33. > :11:36.some of you getting in touch is whether those two men, Vladimir

:11:37. > :11:41.Putin and Barack Obama, could work closer together to take on IS and to

:11:42. > :11:51.deliver a diplomatic solution to what is happening in Syria. In the

:11:52. > :11:55.UK, the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, said he would oppose Britain

:11:56. > :11:58.taken part in air strikes in Syria following the attacks in Paris. Mr

:11:59. > :12:02.Corbyn also stressed that if the UK face such an attack, he would not be

:12:03. > :12:07.happy with soldiers and police officers conducting a so-called

:12:08. > :12:14.shoot to kill policy. Bringing people onto the street to prevent

:12:15. > :12:19.problems and safety is assured is much better it is done by the police

:12:20. > :12:21.and security services, it is better we have good community and

:12:22. > :12:26.neighbourhood policing and a cohesive society that brings people

:12:27. > :12:28.together. Obviously that is essential and that is one of the

:12:29. > :12:33.messages I will be putting to the Prime Minister. If you were Prime

:12:34. > :12:37.Minister would you be happy to order people to shoot to kill on

:12:38. > :12:43.Britain's streets? I am not happy with the shoot to kill policy in

:12:44. > :12:47.general. I think that is quite dangerous and I think it can often

:12:48. > :12:51.be counter-productive. I think you have to have security that prevents

:12:52. > :12:56.people firing weapons when you can. There are various degrees of doing

:12:57. > :13:00.things as you know, but the idea of the war on the streets is not a good

:13:01. > :13:04.thing. Surely have to work to prevent these things happening, that

:13:05. > :13:11.has to be the priority. Here is our political correspondent's analysis.

:13:12. > :13:14.If you look at Jeremy Corbyn's comments on a shoot to kill policy

:13:15. > :13:20.there will be those who share his views and those who see it as

:13:21. > :13:24.principled insistence. Jeremy Corbyn's principle on violence is

:13:25. > :13:26.very well-established, but I have been talking to senior Labour

:13:27. > :13:36.figures, some of whom say that Jeremy Corbyn's Cabinet table, who

:13:37. > :13:39.have been putting their heads in the hands and saying that he lives in a

:13:40. > :13:46.different planet from the rest of us, including those who look to the

:13:47. > :13:50.Prime Minister for acceptance of the idea that they are meant to keep the

:13:51. > :13:55.population said. The idea of whether Jeremy Corbyn is qualified on should

:13:56. > :13:59.to kill in terror situations, doesn't show he is not qualified

:14:00. > :14:03.suited for the office of Labour leader possible Prime Minister? Some

:14:04. > :14:06.commentators around the place and Jeremy Corbyn's critics will be

:14:07. > :14:13.picking up that we frayed. It is also part of the wider process of so

:14:14. > :14:17.many people coming to terms with the new reality of concern about

:14:18. > :14:30.security in the era of extremist violence.

:14:31. > :14:34.We are live here in the BBC newsroom. A major manhunt is

:14:35. > :14:38.continuing for a suspect still thought to be at large after the

:14:39. > :14:42.Paris attacks on Friday. Police are carried out 160 raids across France

:14:43. > :14:46.alone. There is further coverage of the

:14:47. > :14:51.Paris attacks coming up here on the BBC. If you're outside the UK, world

:14:52. > :14:56.news America will be speaking to a former director the CAA about the

:14:57. > :15:05.Paris attacks and those in the UK will see us live from Paris with the

:15:06. > :15:09.news at 10pm. -- the CIA. One of the reasons that the Paris attacks on

:15:10. > :15:14.such a big story is the root causes of that are not just in France or

:15:15. > :15:17.Belgium but really in the conflict in Syria and the broader rise of

:15:18. > :15:27.Islamic State. World leaders are currently meeting in Turkey. Syria

:15:28. > :15:31.and the migrants and refugee crisis was always going to be high on the

:15:32. > :15:39.agenda but more so now because of the attacks on the plane and in

:15:40. > :15:45.Beirut and in Paris. We saw Russia and the US in the conversation

:15:46. > :15:51.yesterday. -- the president saw. Now because live to Washington, DC. We

:15:52. > :15:55.have sought Francois Hollande talking about destroying Islamic

:15:56. > :16:02.State. President Obama is not going to shift his approach?

:16:03. > :16:06.He made that very clear at a press conference if you are is a goal

:16:07. > :16:08.where he was very much on the defensive and coming under fire from

:16:09. > :16:14.the American press as well, demanding to know how he can justify

:16:15. > :16:19.his claims that his strategy is working because what this seems to

:16:20. > :16:23.be in America is this great disconnect to what President Obama

:16:24. > :16:27.says is an effective strategy, that is one that is reclaiming territory

:16:28. > :16:34.from Islamic State and the killing of jihadi John just last week just

:16:35. > :16:37.before the Paris attacks started, but the bottom line is that

:16:38. > :16:42.Americans don't see any tangible results that affect them. They do

:16:43. > :16:46.not feel safe, especially when you have the terrible scenes coming from

:16:47. > :16:51.Paris and threats against Washington and the Russian plane being brought

:16:52. > :16:54.down over Egypt. It adds up to the feeling that when President Obama

:16:55. > :16:59.says that he is containing Islamic State through his strategy, he

:17:00. > :17:04.isn't. It seems to most people but the containment isn't there.

:17:05. > :17:08.What about his approach to refugees coming from Syria into America? He

:17:09. > :17:12.has previously said that Americans should be willing for that to

:17:13. > :17:14.happen. The fact of one of these attackers came into Greece is

:17:15. > :17:19.presumably putting pressure on that policy?

:17:20. > :17:23.It is making that job harder. The state department again reiterated

:17:24. > :17:28.that America would receive 10,000 Syrian refugees by the end of next

:17:29. > :17:31.year, but he is getting real pushback from state governors who

:17:32. > :17:39.say that it should not be happening in their backyard. Alabama,

:17:40. > :17:42.Michigan, Texas are among the states that are saying they will not

:17:43. > :17:46.welcome Syrian refugees into their states. What they can do to stop

:17:47. > :17:51.them coming is another question because once refugees are in the

:17:52. > :17:56.country I don't know what law is the country I don't know what laws that

:17:57. > :18:00.are where they want. That is an interesting situation that is

:18:01. > :18:05.developing, but it really shows the political discord that we now have,

:18:06. > :18:07.not only over Mr Obama's strategy in Syria but what to do with the

:18:08. > :18:15.consequences. Thank you. I guess the fact that

:18:16. > :18:19.President Obama is even talking about ground troops is a clear sign

:18:20. > :18:24.that the discussion is changing around Syria what to do about it. He

:18:25. > :18:28.wants to understand what else has changed because of the Paris

:18:29. > :18:34.attacks. We have invited a correspondence from BBC Arabic and

:18:35. > :18:42.BBC Russia to help us. It is a huge change in comparison to previous G20

:18:43. > :18:48.summits. It previous summits President Putin was in isolation but

:18:49. > :18:51.now everyone to discuss the future of the coalition against Isis with

:18:52. > :18:59.him. They issued threats to Russia and this means that Russia may

:19:00. > :19:04.changes approach slightly towards it strikes, maybe they will pay more

:19:05. > :19:10.attention to Isis held territory. If we assume that Islamic State brought

:19:11. > :19:14.down the plane in rush hour we have a situation where Russia and France

:19:15. > :19:19.are united in grieving for people lost because of Islamic State. We're

:19:20. > :19:22.focusing on military operation but might there be diplomatic

:19:23. > :19:30.co-operation that could deliver video and Syria? Diplomacy is the

:19:31. > :19:37.result of facts on the ground, so when you have a situation it needs

:19:38. > :19:44.time and it need some changes, game changers, to help people to go to

:19:45. > :19:52.the negotiation table. This is not happening so far so there is still a

:19:53. > :19:56.divergence and positions. People do not know whether President Assad

:19:57. > :20:01.should remain or not, or what kind of opposition we should bring to the

:20:02. > :20:06.table. All these details should be coordinated with what is happening

:20:07. > :20:09.on the ground and when the Russians intervene they change the situation

:20:10. > :20:14.is underground and they helped to establish an equation where

:20:15. > :20:18.President Assad is much more powerful than he was before. At the

:20:19. > :20:27.same time he is not the winner of the game and this was convincing

:20:28. > :20:31.enough for him to go to the table. While President Putin is supporting

:20:32. > :20:35.President is a sad, I always get the impression that this is really about

:20:36. > :20:38.Russia and President Putin and perhaps even black President Assad

:20:39. > :20:43.go if he felt he was still in control of the situation. For Russia

:20:44. > :20:47.it is the best time to start a diplomatic game because this

:20:48. > :20:53.position is strong because they are carrying out air strikes but it is

:20:54. > :20:58.obvious that neither the Western coalition or Russian or listen alone

:20:59. > :21:02.can change the game on the ground, so there must be some compromise

:21:03. > :21:06.found, but at the same time the Russian position is strong enough

:21:07. > :21:11.for Russia to bring its own agenda and tried to pursue its own goals in

:21:12. > :21:21.Syria and in the international arena. What has happened in Europe

:21:22. > :21:25.says one thing, it is a war between technology and ideology. This is

:21:26. > :21:31.what makes it very difficult to fight against ideology because

:21:32. > :21:34.ideology is here, it is not in war machines. If we're talking about

:21:35. > :21:38.what the Russians and Europeans are intending to do what the French have

:21:39. > :21:43.done yesterday through the air strikes, it doesn't change a lot. It

:21:44. > :21:49.doesn't stop the ideology from performing or being a threat in the

:21:50. > :21:54.future and I think this is the most important issue and the message that

:21:55. > :21:57.was sent in what happened in France. Thank you for that analysis. Two

:21:58. > :22:03.things to bring you before we wrap up this edition. I have pulled up

:22:04. > :22:10.the BBC live page which you will find on our website. I was telling

:22:11. > :22:16.you about a presupposition in Strasbourg and we're now seeing

:22:17. > :22:20.information that operation is over. No information about why it started

:22:21. > :22:23.or finished, but at the moment it does not seem to be hugely

:22:24. > :22:31.significant to what happened in Paris. This is just coming in from

:22:32. > :22:32.Reuters, the president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude

:22:33. > :22:38.Juncker, and the chairman of the European Union, Donald passed, were

:22:39. > :22:43.grounded on Monday because this security concern regarding their

:22:44. > :22:46.plane. That is an EU official being quoted by Reuters. No more

:22:47. > :22:51.information on the security concerns that have grounded those people but

:22:52. > :22:55.as soon as they hear then we will pass them on to you. That is it for

:22:56. > :22:56.this edition of Outside Source, we will be back tomorrow at the same

:22:57. > :23:16.time. Now look at some of the stories

:23:17. > :23:17.coming up on sports they later this evening on BBC