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:00:13. > :00:21.Hallowed, I am Ros Atkins and welcome to Outside Source. --

:00:22. > :00:28.hello. The French and Russian presidents bowing to work together.

:00:29. > :00:35.TRANSLATION: Are happy to walk great with the coalition headed by the US.

:00:36. > :00:39.-- we are happy. Here in London David Cameron has made the case for

:00:40. > :00:44.air strikes to be carried out in Syria. It has been causing some

:00:45. > :00:48.problems for the opposition leader, we will explain how. We will also

:00:49. > :00:53.answer to the questions you have sent us about the Russian plane that

:00:54. > :00:59.was shot down by Turkey. Sebastian Coates is also in the news, he is

:01:00. > :01:11.stepping down from his advisory role at Nike. Coe. -- Coe. We will pick

:01:12. > :01:14.up all of your comments and questions, we will definitely reply

:01:15. > :01:30.to you online and in some cases answer you on the television.

:01:31. > :01:38.So today we have learnt a lot more about how the world plans to respond

:01:39. > :01:44.to the Islamic state. Including a renewed push the UK to begin air

:01:45. > :01:49.strikes in Syria. More on that in a moment, first to Moscow. In the last

:01:50. > :01:57.hour and a half president Hollande and President Putin have been giving

:01:58. > :02:00.a press conference. TRANSLATION: This is the first reality of the

:02:01. > :02:06.coalition that France would like to put to the whole world against

:02:07. > :02:13.terror. This consensus is vital, but it is not enough, we will also have

:02:14. > :02:22.to shoulder our responsibilities. What France is doing is striking the

:02:23. > :02:29.international centres and the camps of Dhaish. We think it will be

:02:30. > :02:36.better to create one single coalition. This is exactly what I

:02:37. > :02:42.meant when I spoke at the UN. If our partners are not prepared for this,

:02:43. > :02:48.then OK, we are happy to work in a different format. The BBC's Steve

:02:49. > :02:53.Rosenberg was at that conference, we have made a connection to him in the

:02:54. > :02:58.last few moments which is good news, we cannot see him, but I think we

:02:59. > :03:03.can hear him. Steve, what did you think was the most significant thing

:03:04. > :03:09.about what the two president said? I think it was interesting. Russia and

:03:10. > :03:18.France have agreed to work together to fight terrorism, to exchange

:03:19. > :03:21.information, to coordinate attacks against Islamic State in Syria, but

:03:22. > :03:28.there is no sign yet of the kind of grand coalition against terror of

:03:29. > :03:32.which the French president had been talking about after the Paris

:03:33. > :03:37.attacks. At one point President Putin was scathing about the United

:03:38. > :03:43.States, he suggested that Turkey had received information from America

:03:44. > :03:51.about the location of the jet that the Turkish air force shot down, he

:03:52. > :03:55.mention that twice in the press conference. A lot of anger on the

:03:56. > :04:00.half of President Putin towards the US. Much is made of how France is

:04:01. > :04:08.close to Russia the novel Western nations. -- is closer to Russia than

:04:09. > :04:13.other Western nations. How do you think these two men came across? I

:04:14. > :04:23.was looking for the body language, to be honest I did not be much of

:04:24. > :04:26.it. I thought what was interesting, at the first meeting when they shook

:04:27. > :04:32.hands and exchanged a few words before the main negotiations, when

:04:33. > :04:37.President Putin talks to the French president he used the formal term

:04:38. > :04:42.for you in Russian, but when Francois Hollande talked to Vladimir

:04:43. > :04:51.Putin, he used the familiar form of you. It is interesting what you read

:04:52. > :04:57.into that, the politics of grammar. A difference there with one word. As

:04:58. > :05:05.for the body language, I did not detect much. What was also

:05:06. > :05:08.interesting, what they said about President Assad. At one point the

:05:09. > :05:15.French president said that President Assad could play no role in Syria's

:05:16. > :05:20.future, President Putin said it was up to the Syrian people to decide

:05:21. > :05:25.about their future. There is a major difference on the question of

:05:26. > :05:29.President Assad. Russia has paid a price that its involvement in Syria,

:05:30. > :05:33.Islamic State appears to have brought down the Russian airliner in

:05:34. > :05:38.Sinai, one of the crew was lost when Turkey shot down that plane earlier

:05:39. > :05:41.in the week. Is there any sign that Russian public opinion is wavering

:05:42. > :05:49.because of the price that is being paid? No. I have to say not yet. In

:05:50. > :05:56.part because that is because of President Putin's popularity. His

:05:57. > :06:04.sky-high approval rating. Also because I think the Kremlin is in

:06:05. > :06:09.control of the television here. It is vital in this country, it is so

:06:10. > :06:14.influential in altering public opinion. Since the Kremlin controls

:06:15. > :06:18.television, it controls the message it is putting out the public and the

:06:19. > :06:23.message they are putting out right now is it is important to get back

:06:24. > :06:26.at Islamic State, operation retribution they are calling it at

:06:27. > :06:33.the moment and that is the message which is being put out. I think you

:06:34. > :06:37.might consider that when Russia began its military operation, seven

:06:38. > :06:41.or eight weeks ago, President Putin made clear to the Russian people

:06:42. > :06:51.that Russia was starting air strikes in Syria to protect the Russian

:06:52. > :06:56.people from IS launching attacks here. You may think that because a

:06:57. > :07:00.passenger jet was blown up over Sinai in an attack linked to IS and

:07:01. > :07:04.because a Russian bomber was downed this week over Syria, you may think

:07:05. > :07:08.the Russians may start to question this whole operation and think we

:07:09. > :07:12.are not safer, that is not happening. Still there is a lot of

:07:13. > :07:17.support for President Putin in the operation there. We got through to

:07:18. > :07:22.Steve which is good news because he had just come from the conference

:07:23. > :07:26.held by President Putin and president Hollande. Let's pick up on

:07:27. > :07:30.another important point in the story. David Cameron has brought

:07:31. > :07:34.renewed urgency to get Parliamentary approval for UK air strikes in

:07:35. > :07:39.Syria. You may remember two years ago Mr Cameron lost a vote on

:07:40. > :07:43.military action in Syria, but one of the things we should emphasise is

:07:44. > :07:48.that is about attacking the Assad regime, this is about Islamic State.

:07:49. > :07:58.Let's hear some of what he had to say. Statement, the Prime Minister.

:07:59. > :08:03.Thank you Mr Speaker. We should not be content with outsourcing our

:08:04. > :08:07.security to our allies. If we believe that action can help protect

:08:08. > :08:13.us, then with our allies we should be part of that action, not standing

:08:14. > :08:20.aside from it. When our friend and ally France has been struck in this

:08:21. > :08:26.Wade, then our friends and allies could be left thinking if not now,

:08:27. > :08:30.when? -- this way. We have to hit the terrorists in their heartlands

:08:31. > :08:37.right now, we must not shirk our responsibility. We think the

:08:38. > :08:41.presence of western boots on the ground in that way would be

:08:42. > :08:45.counter-productive. That is one of the things we have all collectively

:08:46. > :08:50.across the house learnt in previous conflicts and we don't want to make

:08:51. > :08:53.that the stake again. It looks like the French government thinks this is

:08:54. > :09:12.a good idea, here is one quote from the defence Minister.

:09:13. > :09:19.Let's quickly look at who is involved in the anti-IS coalition.

:09:20. > :09:27.Clearly the Americans, France as well, to the list you can add Saudi

:09:28. > :09:30.Arabia, UAE, Qatar, we have put the Canadian flag there, it has been

:09:31. > :09:35.involved, but the new government says it will be withdrawing from a

:09:36. > :09:39.combat role and we should not forget as well, Turkey has been carrying

:09:40. > :09:42.out some strikes against IS and Russia has as well although Russia

:09:43. > :09:52.has also been targeting some Syrian rebel groups. Let's talk about the

:09:53. > :10:06.politics of this weird Rosol kins. Is a deal? Is this going to go

:10:07. > :10:10.through? -- with Ross Hawkins. Cameron lost a vote on those two

:10:11. > :10:15.years ago and it was a humiliating defeat. He does not want to do it

:10:16. > :10:19.again. He has made it absolutely clear that he would only seek the

:10:20. > :10:25.permission of British MPs to bomb Syria if he was certain that he

:10:26. > :10:28.would win. Throw into that political calculation the chaos that is within

:10:29. > :10:34.the opposition Labour Party at the moment and you will know why this is

:10:35. > :10:36.very far from a done deal. The Leader of the Opposition Jeremy

:10:37. > :10:41.Corbyn, long a campaigner against military conflict, has said publicly

:10:42. > :10:49.that he would vote against any attempt to bomb Syria. Many of his

:10:50. > :10:54.colleagues take the opposing view. There is no hope at the moment of a

:10:55. > :10:58.collective opinion from the Labour Party, there are some furious rows

:10:59. > :11:02.going on behind-the-scenes. It is very difficult David Cameron to have

:11:03. > :11:05.a good or accurate guess as to how many Labour MPs he would have onside

:11:06. > :11:11.if you went back to the House of Commons. I'm trying to remember when

:11:12. > :11:13.an opposition party has been like this in UK politics, the whipping

:11:14. > :11:17.system where in the end most of the system where in the end most of the

:11:18. > :11:24.party goes in one direction or the other has almost broken down. I

:11:25. > :11:27.spent the night in the House of Commons and I have never known a

:11:28. > :11:35.situation like this where so many Shadow Cabinet members on so many

:11:36. > :11:40.keys, so many others involved in the party are so damning and

:11:41. > :11:45.condemnatory of the man who leads them. Jeremy Corbyn was elected with

:11:46. > :11:49.a huge mandate by Labour Party members and by people who signed up

:11:50. > :11:53.to have a vote in that election and frankly they take a very different

:11:54. > :11:59.view of the world from Labour MPs as a whole and most definitely those in

:12:00. > :12:03.Jeremy Corbyn's top team. There is no way of reconciling those two

:12:04. > :12:09.views and it means next week will be very difficult for Labour and that

:12:10. > :12:18.could, I only say could, a fact whether Britain decides to bomb

:12:19. > :12:21.Syria or not. -- affect. I have mentioned that Vladimir Putin has

:12:22. > :12:25.been meeting with Francois Hollande and they have been focusing on

:12:26. > :12:28.Islamic State, but that is not the only thing he has been thinking

:12:29. > :12:33.about. This has also preoccupied him. He promised consequences within

:12:34. > :12:38.minutes of that Russian plane being shot down by Turkey and we are

:12:39. > :12:44.starting to see them now. We have wide-ranging economic sanctions

:12:45. > :12:46.coming in. Another important details started coming through on the news

:12:47. > :12:58.agencies a couple of hours ago. Bearing in mind that Turkey is the

:12:59. > :13:04.biggest foreign destination for Russian tourists and that is a

:13:05. > :13:09.significant move. That is going on, as well as that, the row over

:13:10. > :13:12.whether the Russian plane was ever in Turkish airspace very much

:13:13. > :13:17.continues. There is no dispute over the general area where it was, we

:13:18. > :13:27.know it was close to the tacky where the Russians have an airbase. --

:13:28. > :13:34.Latakia. This line is where the Turks say the plane felucca, the red

:13:35. > :13:39.line is the one the Russians say was taken. You can see it clearly going

:13:40. > :13:41.below Turkish territory. It is raising lots and lots of questions

:13:42. > :14:00.quite understandably. I think the answer to this is that

:14:01. > :14:05.we do know where that plane was, at least some people do. That data will

:14:06. > :14:10.exist, but at the moment it is not in the public domain, Russia can say

:14:11. > :14:13.one thing and Turkey another. You are quite right to suggest that

:14:14. > :14:16.these countries probably do know exactly where the plane was and

:14:17. > :14:21.other countries like America may well do too. At the moment without

:14:22. > :14:24.the information in the public domain you can have two narratives and it

:14:25. > :14:29.is impossible for one person to prove it one way or the other.

:14:30. > :14:35.Another question we got during last night 's edition of Outside Source,

:14:36. > :14:54.we got a number of people asking: I didn't know the answer to this and

:14:55. > :15:00.lots of you started tweeting media answer which I was very grateful

:15:01. > :15:04.for. This boils down to this problem is here. The bottom area is where

:15:05. > :15:13.the Russian plane went, but this is about the broader province. We want

:15:14. > :15:18.to explain why it is in Turkey and not in Syria. The province has been

:15:19. > :15:24.part of Turkey since 1939, but you look at the map and see Turkey, the

:15:25. > :15:28.question raises why? If you see Turkey, it is just a rectangle and

:15:29. > :15:41.it is a small part of the territory retreat extending towards Syria. It

:15:42. > :15:45.has a history. -- which is extending towards Syria. After the world War

:15:46. > :15:51.Britain and France were carving up their areas of influence and the

:15:52. > :16:03.province became part of Syria and Lebanon on mandated by the French.

:16:04. > :16:08.Turkish Republic started to push for taxation in that area, because there

:16:09. > :16:14.was a huge Turkish speaking population in the province. Other

:16:15. > :16:24.powers decided to grant that wish, because they wanted Turkey to stay

:16:25. > :16:30.neutral. It has become a part of the Turkish Republic since then. That

:16:31. > :16:33.did not go so well with Syria. The Syrian officials refused to

:16:34. > :16:41.recognise the new borders, but the issue took a back-seat in missionary

:16:42. > :16:48.and became dormant. It is raise rarely. I have just tweeted that

:16:49. > :16:52.video if you would like to see it or share it with anyone. A bit later on

:16:53. > :16:56.Outside Source we will be looking at this. Bush fires that have been

:16:57. > :17:01.engulfing large areas of South Australia. This is part of the video

:17:02. > :17:03.of one man as he drove through them, I will play you the whole thing a

:17:04. > :17:14.little bit later. Now on another day this would have

:17:15. > :17:17.been the lead story in the UK, net migration has hit an all-time high,

:17:18. > :17:23.the difference between the number of people coming to live in Britain and

:17:24. > :17:28.those emigrating with 336,000 in the 12 months to the end of June. Here

:17:29. > :17:30.is the Immigration Minister James Brock and those emigrating with

:17:31. > :17:45.336,000 in the 12 months to the end of June. Here is the Immigration

:17:46. > :17:51.Minister James Brokenshire, who says they still want to get immigration

:17:52. > :17:55.down. We want to see that firms are not reliant on overseas labour and

:17:56. > :18:00.also we want to look at students. There is a net difference of 93,000

:18:01. > :18:04.on student numbers. We welcome students coming to our country to

:18:05. > :18:08.study, but it is important they leave at the end of their studies

:18:09. > :18:10.and it is that area we will be looking at closely in terms of

:18:11. > :18:25.further changes. This I am Ros Atkins -- I am Ros

:18:26. > :18:32.Atkins on Outside Source. The Russian leaders are going to be

:18:33. > :18:39.sharing military information with France. First to Kenya where Pope

:18:40. > :18:44.Francis celebrated Mass in front of a huge crowd in Nairobi. He also met

:18:45. > :18:56.was in and Christian leaders where he emphasised the importance of

:18:57. > :19:13.dialogue. -- in Muslim and Christian areas. Good news for all of you who

:19:14. > :19:24.have bought Adele new album, she will be on torso. -- tour soon. Here

:19:25. > :19:32.is Astoria I was not expecting, the sport editor has been tweeting about

:19:33. > :19:38.the fact that Sebastien Coe is stepping down from his ambassadorial

:19:39. > :19:43.role at Nike. Questions have been coming and coming about this role

:19:44. > :19:50.with Nike. Here is what Lord Coe had to say earlier. I don't believe it

:19:51. > :19:55.was a conflict-of-interest, I have always declared my interest with

:19:56. > :20:03.Nike as I a range of activities. It was purely on the basis that I felt

:20:04. > :20:10.that I needed to be able to focus on flinching the on the challenges

:20:11. > :20:17.ahead. -- along with a range of activities. It had become a

:20:18. > :20:28.distraction. There is no doubt about that. Let's hear our

:20:29. > :20:32.correspondent's analysis. Ever since he became the most powerful man in

:20:33. > :20:37.athletics, he has faced tough questions. Whether or not it was

:20:38. > :20:44.right that he retained a paid role for Nike. Those questions only

:20:45. > :20:51.intensified earlier this week when the BBC obtained an e-mail which

:20:52. > :20:59.appeared to show that he had been in discussion with a senior Nike

:21:00. > :21:03.executive over a bid for the 2021 for the world athletics

:21:04. > :21:10.Championships in Eugene. He says it does not constitute a conflict of

:21:11. > :21:15.interest, the pressure seems to have told though. He said it is not

:21:16. > :21:19.because it is wrong, but because of the noise around the controversy.

:21:20. > :21:23.Others say the timing is interesting, coming just two days

:21:24. > :21:37.after that story, the calls for him to quit the role mirror Nike's

:21:38. > :21:44.slogan, just do it. Time for OS business and we have been discussing

:21:45. > :21:49.relations between Turkey and Russia being poor because of the shop down

:21:50. > :21:57.Russian plane. They have close economic ties, this will be felt by

:21:58. > :22:04.businesses in both. -- shot down. Last year 4.5 million Russian

:22:05. > :22:09.tourists visited Turkey. However, President Putin has now warned

:22:10. > :22:14.citizens against visiting the country because of security risks.

:22:15. > :22:18.And one of Russia's the largest travel agencies has said it will

:22:19. > :22:27.suspend selling package tours to the country. Turkey and Russia are also

:22:28. > :22:32.major energy and commodity partners. Turkey is the second biggest buyer

:22:33. > :22:40.of Russian natural gas after Germany and relies on Russia for oil, steel

:22:41. > :22:42.and wheat supplies. The tensions may jeopardise a raft of projects

:22:43. > :22:48.including a nuclear project in Turkey that is worth some $20

:22:49. > :22:54.billion and a gas pipeline that is a Keira should project. That report

:22:55. > :22:59.from Tanya. This is another report, it is about another product that is

:23:00. > :23:01.going to allow youthful opponents in your home. It has been shown at a

:23:02. > :23:28.tech show in New York. It is a home monitoring device, it

:23:29. > :23:42.has a sensor and a carbon monoxide sensor and a speaker and microphone.

:23:43. > :23:51.This is a ball that drives the camera. There is one sensor

:23:52. > :23:56.installed right here. This is a processing unit. There is the camera

:23:57. > :24:12.patch right here. Do you fancy that? Not so sure about

:24:13. > :24:23.that. Interesting report. Let's talk about this story, this is about an

:24:24. > :24:28.app that you can get on Facebook. My most used words. It accesses your

:24:29. > :24:34.data, it takes everything from Facebook, age, gender, education,

:24:35. > :24:38.history, anything you have ever liked on Facebook, that will raise

:24:39. > :24:47.some privacy issues. The company behind the app has said:

:24:48. > :24:52.I have some more information from our tech reporter. I wanted to

:24:53. > :24:57.understand if despite these reassurances we should be worried

:24:58. > :25:02.about this. Everyone has taken part in one of these quizzes, whether to

:25:03. > :25:07.test your IQ or to see which Caribbean island you are most suited

:25:08. > :25:11.to living on. Their run loads of quite silly quizzes and when people

:25:12. > :25:16.click on them, often a box says we will need access to your profile

:25:17. > :25:19.data and that is all the things you have mentioned before, anything you

:25:20. > :25:24.have ever liked or posted on your timeline. There is an awful lot of

:25:25. > :25:29.data they need the quizzes. Sometimes they need it for the

:25:30. > :25:32.generation of the quiz. You can only get the words you have used most on

:25:33. > :25:38.Facebook by accessing your Facebook data. Some of the stories we will be

:25:39. > :25:45.covering in the next half an hour, we will definitely be talking about

:25:46. > :25:52.Islamic State. The BBC's cheap correspondent -- chief correspondent

:25:53. > :25:58.will be talking about that. We will also be talking about a glazier that

:25:59. > :26:09.is shrinking. All of those coming up in the next in minutes. -- few

:26:10. > :26:10.minutes. The developing El Nino has