:00:10. > :00:15.Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.
:00:16. > :00:22.RANSMIT we will contrait on the disappearance of Egypt flight MS804.
:00:23. > :00:27.We don't know what caused it to crash. One thing we know, is that it
:00:28. > :00:32.didn't reach its destination. The flight was just 20 minutes from
:00:33. > :00:35.landing here at Cairo International Airport when according to the
:00:36. > :00:38.authorities it simply van Northern Irished. Without any warning or
:00:39. > :00:43.distress call. There has been a major sea and air
:00:44. > :00:44.search all day as Egyptian officials consider the likelihood of terrorist
:00:45. > :00:49.involvement. Families in both Cairo and Paris
:00:50. > :00:51.have had difficult days, waiting for news about relatives
:00:52. > :01:01.on board. So many of you have questions about
:01:02. > :01:07.this story, many of them can't be answered at the moment. If you use
:01:08. > :01:23.the hashtag BBCOS we will pass any information on.
:01:24. > :01:27.We are in a situation where we have two directly contradictory reports
:01:28. > :01:39.Three hours ago, EgyptAir released this statement.
:01:40. > :01:42.Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation had just received an official letter
:01:43. > :01:44.from the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs that confirms
:01:45. > :01:46.the finding of wreckage of the missing aircraft No.
:01:47. > :01:59.But now this breaking: Senior Greek air safety official says debris
:02:00. > :02:04.found so far in Mediterranean does not belong to an aircraft.
:02:05. > :02:07.It's impossible for us to tell you which one of these
:02:08. > :02:14.Answered at the moment. If you use the hashtag BBCOS we will pass any
:02:15. > :02:19.information on. It is agrees that the Egyptian and
:02:20. > :02:23.French Governments that the plane has come down, another significant
:02:24. > :02:28.element, here is our transport correspondentonline, telling us the
:02:29. > :02:31.Greek Defence Minister has talked of the plane swerving and dropping
:02:32. > :02:36.height quickly. Other reports say the plane made a 90 degree turn left
:02:37. > :02:40.and a 360 degree turn before it disappeared.
:02:41. > :02:43.Let's look at what we can be sure of.
:02:44. > :02:46.Flight MS804 left Paris at 11pm local time.
:02:47. > :02:56.At 2.27 a signal was picked up by Greek air traffic control.
:02:57. > :02:58.Three minutes later, Egyptian air traffic control lost
:02:59. > :03:06.It was due to arrive in Cairo at 03.15.
:03:07. > :03:13.The search is focusing on the area south of the Greek Island Karpathos.
:03:14. > :03:27.This is the flight path the plane took before it went missing.
:03:28. > :03:32.Disappears over the Mediterranean, immediately it was known it
:03:33. > :03:35.disappeared different scenarios started to be considered.
:03:36. > :03:39.This image is from a Nasa satellite over the area at the time -
:03:40. > :03:50.That suggests weather is unlikely to be a factor.
:03:51. > :03:52.It's worth noting that the plane visited Tunisia
:03:53. > :03:55.and Eritrea on Wednesday - though we have no idea if that's
:03:56. > :04:06.There is no suggestion that that visit is relevant to the reason that
:04:07. > :04:13.it came down. I want to show you this. This is a video from a website
:04:14. > :04:18.called Marine Traffic the place is marked where the plane disappeared.
:04:19. > :04:24.If I play it on you can see the blue rectangles coming in. Each of them
:04:25. > :04:29.represents a boat. As you see this animation continue, you get and idea
:04:30. > :04:32.of all the boats coming from Crete and the Egyptian coast, to the
:04:33. > :04:46.search area to help look for the plane.
:04:47. > :04:53.Tell us what is happening now, James.
:04:54. > :04:56.People are checking in, for flights, almost as knowledgele. If you
:04:57. > :05:00.ignored the journalists here you would think nothing has happened in
:05:01. > :05:05.the last 24 hours at all. Operations are continuing, and people are going
:05:06. > :05:08.about their business, but nevertheless, the French state and
:05:09. > :05:12.French investigators want to get to the bottom of why a plane which left
:05:13. > :05:16.this airport, never made it to its destination. To that end we
:05:17. > :05:20.understand tonight, that France is sending three experts from its
:05:21. > :05:25.bureau of investigation and analysis to Egypt. It hopes that those three
:05:26. > :05:29.experts will be able to advice, perhaps take part in the underwater
:05:30. > :05:33.search for the flight recorders, because it is simple. If you find
:05:34. > :05:37.the recorders you will probably find why the plane crashed. We wait the
:05:38. > :05:41.see when those investigators get to Egypt, whether they will be taken
:05:42. > :05:44.onboard the Egyptian team, whether they will be adviser, we know one
:05:45. > :05:49.other French expert is going as well. A technical adviser from
:05:50. > :05:53.Airbus itself. I am interested because of the Paris and Brussels
:05:54. > :05:58.attacks has the level of security at the airport you are at at the moment
:05:59. > :06:02.changed in recent months? It has, and you notice it if you are coming
:06:03. > :06:08.in from other European country, I came in from Italy which is part of
:06:09. > :06:12.the Schengen single border area, but our passports were checked and one
:06:13. > :06:16.person in the line said this is Schengen, they said no, this is a
:06:17. > :06:19.passport check and that is a new security measure that Paris had to
:06:20. > :06:23.put in place following the attack last year. I was interested to see
:06:24. > :06:27.reports that the Egyptians are saying they will lead this
:06:28. > :06:31.investigation, is that something the French are comfortable with? We will
:06:32. > :06:35.have to see. What is interesting is this, on a first day, there are a
:06:36. > :06:39.lot of pledge, there are pledges to lead investigation, there are
:06:40. > :06:43.pledges for people to take part, to advice, to join up. The harder
:06:44. > :06:47.questions may come in the next few days, when, if everybody is in the
:06:48. > :06:50.same planest place, what happens if they have to reach difficult
:06:51. > :06:53.conclusion, what happens if one lot of people wants to interview some
:06:54. > :06:56.people and another team says no, you cannot interview those people. I
:06:57. > :07:02.think the French know this. It was an Egyptian plane. It has Egyptian
:07:03. > :07:06.mostly Egyptian passenger, and the debris may in the end be sent to
:07:07. > :07:11.Egypt itself, so France will feel it can only assist the investigation,
:07:12. > :07:14.but I think we might expect some complicated questions between French
:07:15. > :07:19.investigators and Egyptian investigators over the next few
:07:20. > :07:22.hour, days possibly weeks. It is inevitable that everyone is
:07:23. > :07:27.discussing why it came down, we must not lose sight of the fact this is a
:07:28. > :07:31.tragedy for France, it lost a number of its citizens.
:07:32. > :07:35.15 people including a family of four, we believe there were Algerian
:07:36. > :07:39.French people, the father we understand was a shopkeep e he may
:07:40. > :07:44.even have been a grocer, and his family, which had his wife and two
:07:45. > :07:47.young children, were on a holiday. They got on that flight last night
:07:48. > :07:52.and they never made it. So France has been having to deal with some of
:07:53. > :07:58.the human stories as well as logistical problems of why that
:07:59. > :08:05.plane never made it. Thank you. That is James Reynolds live from Paris.
:08:06. > :08:09.The majority of passengers were Egyptian, and on news of the plane's
:08:10. > :08:12.disappearance their relatives started to gather at Cairo's
:08:13. > :08:14.International Airport. The BBC's Sally Nabil
:08:15. > :08:25.has been there all day. She has described how families
:08:26. > :08:30.onboard felt they weren't getting information from the authorities, we
:08:31. > :08:34.had stills coming in from photographers working at the
:08:35. > :08:37.airport. It is hard to imagine the anguish of the people on to the
:08:38. > :08:42.plane have been going through, desperate for news that try to tell
:08:43. > :08:45.them that the desperate tragedy they feel has come upon them wasn't to
:08:46. > :08:49.be, but most of the time they weren't getting any information at
:08:50. > :08:52.all. But it wasn't that the Egyptian aviation minister hasn't been
:08:53. > :08:56.talking it is just he has been limited in what he can say, you will
:08:57. > :08:57.see that, in this clip of him talking to the BBC's Quentin
:08:58. > :09:05.Somerville. If I could ask you, do you have any
:09:06. > :09:07.security concerns is about anyone on the plane, whether they were
:09:08. > :09:11.passenger, crew member, on the flight deck? Nothing has been
:09:12. > :09:15.reported about that. We haven't got any kind of security concerns about
:09:16. > :09:19.this specific person, but don't forget that the investigation is
:09:20. > :09:24.still going on. I am pretty sure that there are some what you call
:09:25. > :09:27.it, there is a profiling process for people onboard, and the security
:09:28. > :09:32.departments or the concerned security divisions, will be taking
:09:33. > :09:39.the necessary action in this. This is that concern it is another
:09:40. > :09:45.problem for Egyptian aviation and EgyptAir? It S I have my own
:09:46. > :09:51.assumption, I have my own doubts, but I would like to park them all,
:09:52. > :09:57.how do you call it, somewhere, until we reach some conclusions, What is
:09:58. > :10:01.your principle worry? My principle worry is that, I don't want to tell
:10:02. > :10:06.you, you dragging me to something I don't want to say. No. Quentin has
:10:07. > :10:10.been reporting from Cairo today. We talked earlier about how the
:10:11. > :10:16.families on of those onboard are being treated. It wasn't just a
:10:17. > :10:21.sense of frustration, it was a sense of, of desperation, really. And you
:10:22. > :10:25.felt it not just from the families but also from EgyptAir officials,
:10:26. > :10:29.they, the aviation minister spoke about the, he was wearing mask, that
:10:30. > :10:36.they were, people really were putting on a brave face, hoping
:10:37. > :10:40.against hope, that somehow, the plane and or perhaps survivals would
:10:41. > :10:44.have been discovered. That statement came out confirming the wreckage has
:10:45. > :10:48.been discovered. The plane has been lost, and likely all lives wit.
:10:49. > :10:53.EgyptAir expressing its deepest sorrow and there are still many
:10:54. > :10:57.families here at Cairo Airport, thraeenedly backbench an enormous
:10:58. > :11:01.blow. Blow. Even though they knew it was a slim hope they would see their
:11:02. > :11:06.relatives again, they expected to arrive at this airport, just after
:11:07. > :11:10.3am this morning to welcome back their family members, from from
:11:11. > :11:14.Paris and beyond, and instead they have had to spend the entire day at
:11:15. > :11:18.the airport and it has been bad news after bad news and the ultimate bad
:11:19. > :11:25.news they will never return. Have the officials you have been speaking
:11:26. > :11:29.to been willing to discuss what may have brought the plane down? No,
:11:30. > :11:32.that is to be expected because nobody likes to speculate so early
:11:33. > :11:36.on when they have very little information. The aviation minister
:11:37. > :11:40.did seem to indication terrorism as he put it was the likeliest outcome.
:11:41. > :11:47.Many people have been commenting that this plane was in good shape,
:11:48. > :11:51.it had been checked regularly, etc,eth, so that likelihood was, was
:11:52. > :11:56.put out there very early on, but remember, this is a country which
:11:57. > :12:01.relies desperately on tourism, tourism from across the globe,
:12:02. > :12:06.passengers and tourists who arrive here, principally by Aero plane and
:12:07. > :12:14.the last six months Egypt has seen three catastrophic incidents, in
:12:15. > :12:17.terms of its aviation, there was the bombing in Sinai which the Islamist
:12:18. > :12:23.state took the credit for, we saw the hijacking of a plane taking to
:12:24. > :12:27.Cyprus and now this not confirmed, this was a terrorist attack t
:12:28. > :12:30.message we have been getting from the aviation authorities behind me
:12:31. > :12:35.today, is that don't expect answers in a day or two, this will take
:12:36. > :12:39.week, if not month, perhaps a year to get to the bottom to what
:12:40. > :12:44.happened to this flight. Also remember, Egypt doesn't have a great
:12:45. > :12:46.track record. It hasn't always co-operated with international
:12:47. > :12:51.investigations in the past. It hasn't been straightforward because
:12:52. > :12:56.so much of this economy's -- country's economy relies on tourism.
:12:57. > :13:01.We have heard from James, from Quentin in Cairo, in a few minutes
:13:02. > :13:06.we will hear from Richard Westcott and we will hear from Frank Gardner,
:13:07. > :13:08.the BBC security correspondent as get their analysis on the appearance
:13:09. > :14:27.of this EgyptAir flight. We are live in the BBC News room and
:14:28. > :14:30.our lead story is the situation with this EgyptAir flight that has
:14:31. > :14:37.disappeared. There are conflicting accounts about wreckage that has
:14:38. > :14:42.been found near a Greek island. Egypt said it had belonged to the
:14:43. > :14:43.missing plane. Let us bring you the latest stories from BBC World
:14:44. > :14:46.Service. Yesterday we were reporting
:14:47. > :14:49.that one of the Chibok Today the girl in question
:14:50. > :14:52.met Nigeria's President She was part of a large
:14:53. > :14:55.group of over 200 girls More heavy rain in Sri Lanka -
:14:56. > :15:00.and it's getting in the way of the search for victims
:15:01. > :15:02.of huge mudslides. It's feared 130 missing
:15:03. > :15:03.people have died. To give you an idea of the scale
:15:04. > :15:07.of these floods, some houses in capital, Colombo,
:15:08. > :15:15.are flooded up to the rooftops. A new report is the latest to warn
:15:16. > :15:18.that antibiotic resistant bacteria could kill someone every three
:15:19. > :15:20.seconds by 2050. The report calls for billions
:15:21. > :15:22.of dollars of investment to prevent modern medicine being cast back
:15:23. > :15:45.into the dark ages. The plane that has gone missing is
:15:46. > :15:49.an Airbus A 3200. It is one of the most common passenger planes in the
:15:50. > :15:53.world. We understand there are over 6700 of them, in fact it is
:15:54. > :15:57.estimated that one of these will take off somewhere in the world
:15:58. > :16:00.every two-and-a-half seconds, now Airbus has published a statement on
:16:01. > :16:16.its Facebook page, it says: our transport correspondent Richards
:16:17. > :16:22.we cot has been talking to his contacts all day. He gave me his
:16:23. > :16:25.ament of what could have causes the crash. Still everyone is saying we
:16:26. > :16:29.don't know what caused it and people are loathe to speculate but I think
:16:30. > :16:32.it is significant that the Egyptians are suggesting it is more likely to
:16:33. > :16:36.be a terrorist attack than an accident and the Russians are
:16:37. > :16:41.suggesting that as well. When you talk to security experts and crash
:16:42. > :16:48.experts, what they say is, it is very rare, credibly rare for an
:16:49. > :16:52.ordinary aircraft cruising at normal altitude to disintegrate and to do
:16:53. > :16:56.it is so quickly no-one could get a Mayday message out. None of that
:16:57. > :16:59.says this is definitely a terrorist attack, it could be an accident, we
:17:00. > :17:02.don't know, but it does seem that things at the moment are pointing
:17:03. > :17:08.more towards something sinister, rather than an accident. We had this
:17:09. > :17:12.account of it turning left by 90 degrees and turning 360 degrees. Are
:17:13. > :17:16.there any examples of planes having done that before, just before
:17:17. > :17:20.disappearing? What I have been told that doesn't tell us much at all. If
:17:21. > :17:24.it is officially confirmed, so people have said to me, look it
:17:25. > :17:27.suggesting the aircraft was out of control, perhaps it was in a couple
:17:28. > :17:29.of bits and it was going one way and another, but no-one was able to
:17:30. > :17:34.control it. That doesn't necessarily tell you why it happened. If it did
:17:35. > :17:38.lose height quickly, if it was veering all over the place it
:17:39. > :17:41.suggesting something catastrophic has the happened, perhaps the tail
:17:42. > :17:45.has come off, but it doesn't tell you why that has happened. So when I
:17:46. > :17:48.have talked to experienced investigators they say it could be
:17:49. > :17:52.significant but it won't tell you why, it tells you what happened. We
:17:53. > :17:57.have talked a number of times about planes unfortunately coming down,
:17:58. > :18:02.and viewers often ask, is it now more dangerous to be on a plane,
:18:03. > :18:07.than in previous eras? And you have stood here and said the facts don't
:18:08. > :18:13.bear that out. It is just as safe as it has been. It feels like we are
:18:14. > :18:17.having these a lot. I feel like I cover a lot of these accidents. It's
:18:18. > :18:21.a global media world of and they get attention. Attention. Statistically
:18:22. > :18:27.it is safer to fly and that it has been. The 1259s come out but we are
:18:28. > :18:32.seeing high profile crash, and what tends to happen is sinister things
:18:33. > :18:36.we seem to be seeing less of mechanical failure, a bit more pilot
:18:37. > :18:40.error and sinister things like terrorist attacks and like pilots
:18:41. > :18:43.who decide, who have mental health problems who decide they are going
:18:44. > :18:47.to crash the aircraft on purpose, which is what happened with German
:18:48. > :18:52.wing, the aircraft themselves technically are safer than they have
:18:53. > :18:57.ever been T coms are brilliant at flying them, but what you can never
:18:58. > :19:00.legislate for is the human element. It will never be completely safe
:19:01. > :19:07.because it is easy to target an aircraft if you were determined to
:19:08. > :19:11.do it. The mechanics of flying, statistically safer than you have
:19:12. > :19:15.ever been. There is speculation this plane was drought down by terrorism.
:19:16. > :19:19.That is partly because of the Paris and the Brussels attack, carried
:19:20. > :19:24.bout I the Islamist State group. It is also because in the last seven
:19:25. > :19:27.months there have been two incredibly serious incidents
:19:28. > :19:30.involving Egyptian aviation, one was in the Sinai peninsula, the other
:19:31. > :19:35.ended up in Cyprus, let us talk about that first. Back in March,
:19:36. > :19:38.involved another EgyptAir flight that was hijacked and forced to fly
:19:39. > :19:45.to sigh prurks you can see it here, on the run away, after it landed. It
:19:46. > :19:48.turned out the hijacker's suicide belt was fake, many questions were
:19:49. > :19:53.raised about how he got onboard. You can see a picture of him with the
:19:54. > :19:58.red circle round him, coming through security. People wanted to know how
:19:59. > :20:05.that was possible. We get to October and that was when a Russian
:20:06. > :20:12.passenger jet brougtz do 224 people died, and the Islamist State group
:20:13. > :20:14.said it put a bomb onboard. So Egypt is definitely under
:20:15. > :20:19.scrutiny on issues of security. So is France. This is the website the
:20:20. > :20:22.French newspaper Le Figaro, in this article there are quotes from a
:20:23. > :20:27.French border police source, saying the a investigators will be
:20:28. > :20:32.focussing their attention on ground crew, at the airport. Now, this is
:20:33. > :20:37.significant because bear in mind, in December, a security review at
:20:38. > :20:41.French airports led to 70 workers having their air side security
:20:42. > :20:45.clearance revoked. Dale long the BBC's Frank Gardner our security
:20:46. > :20:50.correspondent has been working on this story. I want to talk to Frank
:20:51. > :20:54.about the accounts of the plane behaving erratically in the moments
:20:55. > :20:59.before it lost contact and what could have caused it to do that.
:21:00. > :21:05.Really this is down to three plausible possibilities. One is
:21:06. > :21:08.catastrophic mechanical failure that, the aeroplane systems failed
:21:09. > :21:12.and the pilot and co-pilot were wrestling to try and bring it under
:21:13. > :21:17.control, and obviously failed. If that was the case, two, that there
:21:18. > :21:21.were some kind of come motion onboard, a fight, possibly somebody
:21:22. > :21:23.trying to get into the cockpit, or over powered the pilot or take over
:21:24. > :21:28.control of the plane. It's a possibility. I am not saying there
:21:29. > :21:32.is any evidence but it is one of the possibilities being considered.
:21:33. > :21:37.Three, a bomb, an explosion onboard of some kind. Not necessarily in the
:21:38. > :21:41.cabin, could have been, who knows where, and that is something which
:21:42. > :21:45.people are looking at very much. If it was an explosive device put
:21:46. > :21:51.onboard, where? Where was it inserted? Was nit Paris, or was it
:21:52. > :21:58.at one of the other airports that this plane visited in the previous
:21:59. > :22:02.48-hours? Cairo, Tunis, Eritrea? So none of these are the fintive and
:22:03. > :22:07.viewers shouldn't read too much into the fact I am security correspondent
:22:08. > :22:12.and am sitting here, security or terrorism is one of the
:22:13. > :22:16.possibilities. But a lot of us with your surprised how many places this
:22:17. > :22:21.plane had been to in a short space of time. Time. Who would have access
:22:22. > :22:27.to the plane during those visits and do the French authorities keep track
:22:28. > :22:31.of those countries in advance of their plane leaving the airport.
:22:32. > :22:36.Cleaner, flight crew and ground staff is the answer. Planes need to
:22:37. > :22:40.be refuelled, cleaned, replenished with, you know, and services, has
:22:41. > :22:46.the I do turn rounds, I don't know how long they are on the tarmac in
:22:47. > :22:51.those place, so, some people have said, hang on, if you put a device
:22:52. > :22:55.onboard a plane, surely it would have gone off before then. Not
:22:56. > :22:59.necessarily, look at Lockerbie, the East Midlands Airport thing about
:23:00. > :23:05.six year ago when Al-Qaeda and Yemen were able to smuggle a viable
:23:06. > :23:10.defence in printer ink tone car fridges and put on a cargo plane
:23:11. > :23:15.that passed through Dubai and went from Dubai to East Midlands Airport,
:23:16. > :23:17.where it was discovered, only after a tip-off, from intelligence
:23:18. > :23:20.agencies. Now we have confirmation the
:23:21. > :23:23.wreckage has been found, presumably that will accelerate the
:23:24. > :23:27.investigation, it will provide invaluable information on what could
:23:28. > :23:32.have brought this plane down? It will give some clues, but they are
:23:33. > :23:35.not going to know definitively what happened until they recover the
:23:36. > :23:38.flight roareds so the cockpit voice recorder and the other black box
:23:39. > :23:46.will need to be recovered, and they could be in anything as much as two
:23:47. > :23:50.mile, three kilometres of deep water, the Eastern Mediterranean is
:23:51. > :23:55.surprisingly deep. It is not as deep as the Indian Ocean but it could,
:23:56. > :23:57.there will be will be a bleer, a transmittinger beacon that will
:23:58. > :24:03.bleep for about a month, so they have got a month to find it. I hope
:24:04. > :24:06.we don't have to wait that long. If it was terrorism we will almost see
:24:07. > :24:11.a claim of responsibility before then, it may be true, it may not be.
:24:12. > :24:15.It may be some group or other looking to cash in on what turns out
:24:16. > :24:19.to be a mechanical failure. Thanks to Frank for that. We have a picture
:24:20. > :24:24.of the plane itself, the one that has gone missing this is this
:24:25. > :24:30.Airbus, used by EgyptAir, and we know that 66 people were onboard,
:24:31. > :24:36.and of those people, 30 were Egyptians, 15 were French citizen,
:24:37. > :24:42.two were Iraqis, and there was one person from Britain, Canada,
:24:43. > :24:45.Belgium, Kuwait. Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Sudan Chad and Portugal. We
:24:46. > :24:50.talked about the airports in Paris and Cairo. This is a picture of one
:24:51. > :24:54.Egyptian minister who came to the airport to speak to relatives of
:24:55. > :24:57.those onboard. This is the French Foreign Affairs minister who did the
:24:58. > :25:03.same in Paris meeting those relatives at a hotel close to the
:25:04. > :25:07.airport. To remind you, this plane took off at 11pm in the evening in
:25:08. > :25:12.Paris it headed south-east in the direction of Cairo. It was very
:25:13. > :25:18.close to landing but it came down south of Greece, in the
:25:19. > :25:21.Mediterranean, lost touch with Egyptian Air Traffic Control at
:25:22. > :25:25.2.30. Just to remind you, this is probably the most significant
:25:26. > :25:28.element of the story at the moment. We have completely contradictory
:25:29. > :25:33.accounts of what has happened in the Mediterranean. Today the Egyptian
:25:34. > :25:37.Ministry of Civil Aviation saying it has confirmation that wreckage from
:25:38. > :25:40.the plane has been found, then this from the Associated Press quoting a
:25:41. > :25:44.security Greek official saying that debris that has been found is not
:25:45. > :25:47.from the plane that, at the moment it is impossible for us to tell
:25:48. > :25:51.which account we should go with. So that is some of the latest
:25:52. > :25:55.information on this story, we will keep on covering it for the next
:25:56. > :26:00.half an hour, I hope you can stay with me.