:00:07. > :00:09.Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.
:00:10. > :00:14.We're live from the European Council.
:00:15. > :00:20.Yesterday we were right next to the European Commission across the road
:00:21. > :00:24.but we are here because leaders from 28 European Union countries are
:00:25. > :00:28.meeting and we expect them to speak any minute and when they do we will
:00:29. > :00:34.bring that to you. In the meantime, we will turn to Turkey because there
:00:35. > :00:38.have been a series of attacks on the main airport in Istanbul. These are
:00:39. > :00:44.pictures coming in. We will get more information on that in the next
:00:45. > :00:46.couple of minutes. David Cameron had face-to-face meetings with Donald
:00:47. > :00:51.Tusk, Jean-Claude Juncker, and is currently meeting with all EU
:00:52. > :00:57.leaders to look at how the UK will exit the European Union. While
:00:58. > :01:02.pressure is mounting on the UK to start that process, we will speak to
:01:03. > :01:09.one of the many journalists in the press room about how the UK is
:01:10. > :01:15.perceived from outside. As always, if you have issues all questions we
:01:16. > :01:22.have a busy half-hour, but I will make time for the ones that come in.
:01:23. > :01:43.We will bring up the map to highlight where these attacks have
:01:44. > :01:48.taken place in Turkey. It is at the main International Airport in
:01:49. > :01:54.Istanbul. We know from the authorities there were several
:01:55. > :02:00.explosions. This is a tweet from my colleague in BBC Turkish who tells
:02:01. > :02:05.us Turkish officials says two suspects detonated explosives before
:02:06. > :02:11.passing x-ray security check. We have this quote via the AFP news
:02:12. > :02:21.agency. The Turkish justice minister telling Parliament...
:02:22. > :02:26.I can show you the latest pictures to have come in. Emergency
:02:27. > :02:30.services... I will show you them in a moment because we have got through
:02:31. > :02:37.to mark who is on a plane that has just landed at the airport. What is
:02:38. > :02:41.happening? I just landed half an hour ago on this Turkish airlines
:02:42. > :02:46.flight from Nice where I was covering the England match last
:02:47. > :02:50.night. We were not given warning about any concerns and we were
:02:51. > :02:55.allowed to land and now we are being held on the plane and are not
:02:56. > :02:59.allowed to disembark and the captain is talking about security concerns.
:03:00. > :03:06.We have heard there were potentially three attacks inside the airport and
:03:07. > :03:14.one potentially in the car park, one we understand at the departures
:03:15. > :03:19.entrance, entrance into the departures terminal, and one
:03:20. > :03:25.possibly next to the arrivals terminal. We're not sure if that
:03:26. > :03:28.means there were three attackers. Reports one attacker sprayed
:03:29. > :03:32.Kalashnikov gun fire and then blew himself up when police tried to
:03:33. > :03:37.intervene. We do not know about the other two. The justice minister
:03:38. > :03:40.saying there are at least ten dead and 40 wounded and that is the
:03:41. > :03:46.casualty toll we are told at the moment. What is happening on the
:03:47. > :03:48.plane, what can you see from the window, are you getting information
:03:49. > :03:59.from the pilot about what is happening? I do not know if you can
:04:00. > :04:03.see here, we are inside the hangar, one of the hangars of Turkish
:04:04. > :04:11.airlines because we have been taken away from the gate. I am seeing
:04:12. > :04:15.security staff standing by. It is a calm atmosphere on the plane. No
:04:16. > :04:20.sense of panic at the moment. The feeling that we could be here a
:04:21. > :04:25.couple of hours, which is what we have been told by the cabin crew,
:04:26. > :04:29.before we are allowed to disembark. At the moment we are getting dribs
:04:30. > :04:35.and drabs of information from inside the airport. Just to explain what
:04:36. > :04:39.the airport is like, this is the fourth biggest airport in Europe, it
:04:40. > :04:46.is the 11th busiest in the world. It is an important international hub
:04:47. > :04:53.will stop I have lived in Istanbul two years and when I have driven end
:04:54. > :04:57.I have been struck the security checks on cars going in our limited
:04:58. > :05:05.but once you try to get into the terminal they are stringent. Clearly
:05:06. > :05:11.what has happened is attackers were able to penetrate the area around
:05:12. > :05:15.the terminal building, whether they drove in we do not know, and then
:05:16. > :05:21.launched attacks outside the door into the terminal building.
:05:22. > :05:26.Unfortunately, this will not be a surprise to anyone who follows
:05:27. > :05:32.Turkey closely. No, that is the tragic thing. In the last year there
:05:33. > :05:36.have been a wave of attacks across the country. Some blamed on
:05:37. > :05:42.so-called Islamic State, others claimed by Kurdish militants. Added
:05:43. > :05:50.offshoot of the PKK which the government believes is essentially
:05:51. > :05:54.the same thing -- and and offshoot. They have targeted not just areas of
:05:55. > :05:58.the south-east where the PKK conference resumed but cities like
:05:59. > :06:06.Ankara. Some have targeted tourists, others being security areas. Ataturk
:06:07. > :06:11.airport, this major international hub, has been seen as a potential
:06:12. > :06:13.target for this upsurge in insurgency and we wait to hear which
:06:14. > :06:22.of these groups will claim responsibility. There was also an
:06:23. > :06:34.attack on Istanbul's second airport in December by a group calling
:06:35. > :06:38.itself Tak. Devices were thrown into the terminal and caused injuries but
:06:39. > :06:43.nothing of an attack of this guide. Best wishes to you and everyone else
:06:44. > :06:47.on the plane. I hope you get off safely and those of you watching, we
:06:48. > :06:54.will keep you abreast of what is happening in Istanbul. In Istanbul
:06:55. > :06:59.and also in the newsroom in London. We have been moving around Europe
:07:00. > :07:03.and UK in the last few weeks and inevitably, we have ended up in the
:07:04. > :07:10.European Council in Brussels because this is the body within the EU where
:07:11. > :07:14.leaders of all EU member states come together. I am surrounded by
:07:15. > :07:19.journalists from the 28 EU countries. That's getting European
:07:20. > :07:25.perspective on Brexit. This is something I spotted. I spotted a
:07:26. > :07:33.huge scrum of journalists and wondered who was in there and it was
:07:34. > :07:38.Nigel Farage on Danish television. It is dead, Finnish, it is all over.
:07:39. > :07:42.The European Union is finished, it doesn't work. We have just had the
:07:43. > :07:47.honour in Britain to be the first country who rejected membership will
:07:48. > :07:57.stop it could be Denmark backs. It could be the Netherlands. It could
:07:58. > :08:02.be Sweden next. Other countries will have referendums. They will reject
:08:03. > :08:06.this. It is a centralised model of government based on an outdated
:08:07. > :08:13.concept of a customs union, not suited to the 21st century. I was in
:08:14. > :08:17.the canteen a few minutes ago and Nigel Farage was sitting on a sofa
:08:18. > :08:24.having a beer and I said, will you miss the EU? He said, I will miss
:08:25. > :08:28.the high drama. That was Nigel Farage on Danish television. Let me
:08:29. > :08:32.show you what the French centre-right newspaper is saying. It
:08:33. > :08:38.says Franche and Germany want to plan but still have no idea how to
:08:39. > :08:41.respond to the challenge. -- France. In different ways every country is
:08:42. > :08:45.trying to work out what plan serves it best. A quote from the Danish
:08:46. > :09:03.Prime Minister, telling reporters... This is what the Finnish Foreign
:09:04. > :09:07.Minister said to BBC Radio... Echoing what a lot of people have
:09:08. > :09:12.been saying that in the end the EU will prioritise its interests over
:09:13. > :09:18.the UK that is just the way it works. Nigel Farage wanted to get
:09:19. > :09:22.out of the EU. Marie Le Pen, the leader of the National Front in
:09:23. > :09:24.France wants her country to have a referendum. She has spoken to the
:09:25. > :09:34.BBC. TRANSLATION: I think we have
:09:35. > :09:39.witnessed a defining moment in history. The most important event
:09:40. > :09:43.since the fall of the Berlin Wall. I think the British people showed
:09:44. > :09:48.courage. They did not allow themselves to be intimidated by
:09:49. > :09:58.threats, blackmail and lies or messages of doom from European
:09:59. > :10:04.elites. We should follow their lead. For four years I have called for a
:10:05. > :10:09.referendum in France to ask the French public what they think of the
:10:10. > :10:14.EU. The UK has beaters to the punch, if you like. Do you think it was a
:10:15. > :10:23.vote on immigration more than anything? Not only that, it was a
:10:24. > :10:28.serious question about sovereignty, about people being free to decide
:10:29. > :10:32.for themselves. It is also a battered immigration problem as well
:10:33. > :10:35.as access to jobs which the British like other European countries
:10:36. > :10:40.consider unfair. It all played a part and it cost so much. It costs
:10:41. > :10:48.Britain are not and the French even more. Do you think exit has paved
:10:49. > :10:53.the way for France to exit? Of course. Firstly because it is
:10:54. > :11:01.possible. European leaders told as it was impossible to leave EU and
:11:02. > :11:06.Brexit has shown it is possible. Secondly I think very quickly,
:11:07. > :11:10.despite the strategy of chaos pursued by European institutions,
:11:11. > :11:15.very quickly the UK will see the benefit of leaving. A new capacity
:11:16. > :11:18.to protect itself against unfair competition and against the social
:11:19. > :11:29.dumping organised by EU institutions.
:11:30. > :11:37.We will keep on rolling. We are here in Brussels this week and will be in
:11:38. > :11:43.France next week to look at the implications of the UK choice to
:11:44. > :11:48.leave the EU for France. I am joined by a member of the Dutch national
:11:49. > :11:54.news agency AFP. Nigel Farage said it is possible Netherlands or
:11:55. > :12:00.Denmark could leave. Really? Legally at this moment it is not possible.
:12:01. > :12:05.You have to have a law asking for a referendum. It has to be within two
:12:06. > :12:10.months the law is made but at the moment, like in Ukraine referendum,
:12:11. > :12:15.they had two months before, after this the law was installed. Somebody
:12:16. > :12:21.could ask for a referendum. That is not the case now because there is no
:12:22. > :12:25.law about an exit. Some people might think, typical EU, they make it
:12:26. > :12:33.difficult for opponents to do anything. It is difficult because
:12:34. > :12:39.our parliament will have to have a majority to have this law. And then
:12:40. > :12:45.there would have to be someone to take the initiative for the
:12:46. > :12:50.referendum. A right-wing politician was impressed by the UK choice to
:12:51. > :12:55.leave and would like to take the Dutch art, but it sounds like there
:12:56. > :13:01.are too many obstacles in the way. Does public opinion support it? I
:13:02. > :13:05.think there may be will be a lot of people who would like to leave but I
:13:06. > :13:15.do not think the real Dutch people want to leave. There was today a
:13:16. > :13:21.hand in for a referendum on the exit, 56,000 signatures from a
:13:22. > :13:26.population of 17 million might say a little bit how people feel. This is
:13:27. > :13:32.one of the biggest stories of our time for the UK, how big is the
:13:33. > :13:38.story in Holland? I think Brexit is a really big story because the
:13:39. > :13:49.British are our friends. We have a good relationship. We speak the same
:13:50. > :13:56.language. I think you speak our language! I think the Dutch people
:13:57. > :14:03.get on well usually with the British. There is the economic
:14:04. > :14:08.impact, which will be very big. They say it will cost 10 billion euros
:14:09. > :14:15.for the Dutch. The trade as it is going now would be stopped. Thanks.
:14:16. > :14:18.I will let you get back before the press conferences begin. We are
:14:19. > :14:22.waiting for them to be held by Donald Tusk, president of the
:14:23. > :14:30.European Council, and we hope to hear from some European leaders. We
:14:31. > :14:34.will also keep you up-to-date with what is happening at Istanbul
:14:35. > :14:39.airport, which has been attacked by suicide bombers and the authorities
:14:40. > :14:40.saying at least ten people have lost their lives. More information coming
:14:41. > :14:51.in all the time. The Queen has visited
:14:52. > :14:54.the Giant's Causeway as part The trip is her first since the UK
:14:55. > :15:02.voted to leave the European Union. The Giant's Causeway might well be
:15:03. > :15:07.some of the most spectacular land But her visit to Northern Ireland
:15:08. > :15:14.comes at a time when there are questions about how
:15:15. > :15:20.united her kingdom is. Just a matter of miles further down
:15:21. > :15:24.this coast, it's possible to see Scotland, where there are calls
:15:25. > :15:29.for another independence referendum. That has lead to uncertainty
:15:30. > :15:35.for the entire UK and worries some unionists here,
:15:36. > :15:37.even though many of them supported If Scotland want to be independent,
:15:38. > :15:42.it's democratic that It will not break up what's left
:15:43. > :15:47.of the UK. But even that phrase,
:15:48. > :15:49."What's left of the UK", I could still make
:15:50. > :15:53.it a lot stronger. You voted Leave, so you're
:15:54. > :15:55.responsible for that. I voted Leave, yes,
:15:56. > :16:00.I know I voted Leave. I think maybe now,
:16:01. > :16:05.it was the wrong decision. Today, the Queen retraced a train
:16:06. > :16:08.journey she took immediately In the decades since then,
:16:09. > :16:12.Northern Ireland has been through the violent
:16:13. > :16:13.years of the Troubles. The relationship between Britain
:16:14. > :16:17.and Ireland have emerged You only have to look at this
:16:18. > :16:28.good-natured meeting between Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness
:16:29. > :16:30.and the Queen to see how much But politically, these
:16:31. > :16:37.are turbulent times. Northern Ireland as a whole voted
:16:38. > :16:40.to remain inside the EU, like Scotland, and that vote
:16:41. > :16:45.was particularly strong Sinn Fein is now calling for Europe
:16:46. > :16:52.to find some way to keep this part Alternatively, they want
:16:53. > :16:56.a referendum on a united Ireland. The people spoke
:16:57. > :16:58.in Northern Ireland, The Republic is an EU country
:16:59. > :17:04.itself, or part of the EU. I hope we do get it,
:17:05. > :17:11.I would love to see itin my lifetime, and this
:17:12. > :17:13.is a chance to get it. Such a referendum could
:17:14. > :17:15.be generations away. But this monarch is at the head
:17:16. > :17:38.of a country undergoing huge change. Welcome back alive from the European
:17:39. > :17:41.Council. We expect statements European leaders and Donald Tusk,
:17:42. > :17:45.president of the European Council and when it happens we will bring it
:17:46. > :17:52.to you. The other main story is there have been a series of attacks.
:17:53. > :17:56.The authorities say they were suicide bombers that left ten people
:17:57. > :18:06.dead at the main airport in Istanbul. Keith Oberman is a
:18:07. > :18:12.well-known journalist in the US. He has asked, what kind of havoc would
:18:13. > :18:15.be wrought if the EU offered membership to Scotland and Northern
:18:16. > :18:21.Ireland? I do not think that offer will come. Nicola Sturgeon, First
:18:22. > :18:28.Minister of Scotland, asked for a meeting with the president of the EU
:18:29. > :18:32.Council, Donald Tusk and that request was declined. If Scotland
:18:33. > :18:36.were to join the EU you individually, it would have to
:18:37. > :18:40.happen after a referendum on Scottish independence. We have had
:18:41. > :18:45.the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon saying that is more likely after a
:18:46. > :18:50.majority of Scots voted to remain in the EU and UK voted out, but we are
:18:51. > :18:55.not at the stage where we have a referendum definitely, so we cannot
:18:56. > :19:00.talk about the possibility of Scotland going into the EU on its
:19:01. > :19:05.own and the EU will not offer the invitation any time soon. I showed
:19:06. > :19:08.you exchanges in the Parliament between Nigel Farage and MEPs. One
:19:09. > :19:12.of them was Guy Verhofstadt, a former Belgian Prime Minister and
:19:13. > :19:17.leader of the liberal bloc in the European Parliament who does not
:19:18. > :19:22.hold back opinions. He sent a series of tweet. One of them was that 27
:19:23. > :19:32.members of the EU should not wait for the disorientated Tory party to
:19:33. > :19:36.get its act together... He is saying do not wait for a new leader, we
:19:37. > :19:42.need to get on with this. I went to find him earlier. We have to
:19:43. > :19:49.recognise there is a problem with the EU. If 52% of British citizens
:19:50. > :19:54.spoke to leave there is a problem and we have to recognise that. You
:19:55. > :19:59.do not solve it by leaving the union you do it by reforming the EU and
:20:00. > :20:06.that is what I said. We need to reform the EU as fast as possible to
:20:07. > :20:10.make from it may be a more effective and democratic body. When the UK
:20:11. > :20:13.comes to the EU and asked for a trade deal, would you accept a deal
:20:14. > :20:20.that does not include freedom of movement? You have what Canada have
:20:21. > :20:29.with other countries, it is a possibility. If they asked to have
:20:30. > :20:35.the European economic area as the basis for a new agreement, there is
:20:36. > :20:45.free movement of labour as one of the fundamental values. I think it
:20:46. > :20:50.is to the British political class to decide. They want to be part of the
:20:51. > :20:57.European economic area, in that case they have to accept freedom of
:20:58. > :21:03.labour and the Labour movement, or they want a more restricted trade
:21:04. > :21:08.agreement. We have watched you locking horns with Nigel Farage and
:21:09. > :21:12.today you accused him of using Nazi propaganda and you were rude about
:21:13. > :21:17.each other. When the UK has exited the EU, will you missing? Absolutely
:21:18. > :21:25.not, certainly not! The main thing I want to do is not to attack
:21:26. > :21:30.somebody. This morning you were attacking him with vigour, please
:21:31. > :21:36.don't tell me... After he attacked everybody. He said to the 700
:21:37. > :21:40.people, members of the European Parliament, you do nothing, you have
:21:41. > :21:44.never worked in your life. At the same time he says, I am defending
:21:45. > :21:49.the poor man. When he has an offshore financial system put in
:21:50. > :21:57.place. It is not very serious. He looked for it. He wanted it, I
:21:58. > :22:04.think, otherwise he doesn't... It was so rude with the whole
:22:05. > :22:09.Parliament. He was looking for it. When I watch you and Nigel Farage, I
:22:10. > :22:13.am thinking it will be difficult for the UK and EU to stay at a couple
:22:14. > :22:22.while it goes through this process. I do not think Nigel Farage is
:22:23. > :22:30.really representing Great Britain. Maybe little England but not Great
:22:31. > :22:34.Britain. In the European Council the talk among journalists has gone up a
:22:35. > :22:38.gear because we think we are getting close to the beginning of the press
:22:39. > :22:43.conferences and after that did between the 28 leaders of the EU
:22:44. > :22:49.about how the EU will go from 28 countries down to 27. We must turn
:22:50. > :22:56.back to Turkey. We are highlighting Istanbul on the map because it is
:22:57. > :22:59.Turkey's main International Airport that has been attacked and we
:23:00. > :23:04.understand the attackers detonated explosives at the entrance of the
:23:05. > :23:14.terminal. Reuters say police opened fire to stop the suspects. What else
:23:15. > :23:19.have you got now? There have not been many changes. There are
:23:20. > :23:26.ambulances at the scene and flights diverting. Turkish airlines has been
:23:27. > :23:32.passing... Taking passengers to hotels. Flights are cancelled. How
:23:33. > :23:36.does Turkish airport security compare with other countries? It is
:23:37. > :23:42.interesting, Turkish airport security is very high. Turkey is a
:23:43. > :23:44.rare country where you go through airport security twice, go through
:23:45. > :23:51.checks at the outside the airport, the main gates, and do a full
:23:52. > :23:55.security check and pick up everything, check in and after
:23:56. > :24:01.passport control you go through the same process a second time, which
:24:02. > :24:05.explains the speculation about whether there was a gunfight outside
:24:06. > :24:12.the airport or inside. A lot of people believe perhaps security
:24:13. > :24:17.guards guessed something was up at the outside airport at the initial
:24:18. > :24:22.security check will stop thanks. The British Foreign Office says they are
:24:23. > :24:27.seeking further information. So are we. On the subject of the European
:24:28. > :24:31.Union, it is fashionable in journalism to it what you don't know
:24:32. > :24:37.as well as what you do and we can say we don't know who the next Prime
:24:38. > :24:41.Minister of the UK will be, nor the long-term leader of the Labour Party
:24:42. > :24:44.will be, we do not know what the long-term future of the Labour Party
:24:45. > :24:49.hells because it seems on the verge of disintegrating. We do not know
:24:50. > :24:55.how the UK will exit the EU all when it will start. There are questions,
:24:56. > :24:58.we may get answers when the press conferences start. Look out for them
:24:59. > :25:04.on the BBC. Goodbye.