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:00:09. > :00:10.Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

:00:11. > :00:17.Our top story today: After seven years, the Chilcot report

:00:18. > :00:19.into the UK's involvement in the Iraq war has finally been

:00:20. > :00:29.We have concluded that the UK chose to in -- chose to join the invasion

:00:30. > :00:34.of Iraq before the peaceful options for disarmament had been exhausted.

:00:35. > :00:36.Military action at that time was not a last resort.

:00:37. > :00:38.Tony Blair was the prime minister at the time.

:00:39. > :00:42.He defended some of his decisions, but admitted he had made mistakes.

:00:43. > :00:58.For all of this, I express more pot-mac sorrow -- I express more...

:00:59. > :01:00.Sorrow, regret than you may know or can believe.

:01:01. > :01:02.We'll hear from Louisiana later in the programme,

:01:03. > :01:04.where two white police officers

:01:05. > :01:14.We will explain the circumstances of that.

:01:15. > :01:16.We will have the latest from the Euros in France -

:01:17. > :01:42.2-0 to the Portuguese, and the Welsh are running out of time.

:01:43. > :01:45.Let's return to our coverage of the Chilcot report that was released

:01:46. > :01:48.this morning in London. Most of them were

:01:49. > :01:53.military personnel. Sir John Chilcot acknowledged

:01:54. > :01:56.the "deep anguish" Well, several of those

:01:57. > :02:02.families have been speaking The bereaved have endured seven

:02:03. > :02:09.years of painful waiting Debbie Allbutt and her son Connor

:02:10. > :02:17.were on their way to hear Steven Allbutt, husband and father,

:02:18. > :02:23.was killed in Iraq in 2003. In the last few days,

:02:24. > :02:25.the trauma has returned. It has brought a lot

:02:26. > :02:29.of memories back. I have had nightmares,

:02:30. > :02:31.that I saw Steve. I saw him in a shop,

:02:32. > :02:35.it was a nightmare. I am just hoping we find out why

:02:36. > :02:43.we went in and why we went In the quiet of nearby

:02:44. > :02:48.Westminster Abbey, former SAS man John Brown was remembering his son,

:02:49. > :02:52.Nick, also an SAS trooper. He wanted answers about

:02:53. > :02:57.the justification for going to war. We want to know what the inquiry

:02:58. > :03:00.says about the entry, I know they did not

:03:01. > :03:14.have an exit strategy. The families came here looking

:03:15. > :03:18.for the truth that named names Well, they've now had

:03:19. > :03:24.a chance to consider The families gathered

:03:25. > :03:28.here trust that we speak The families say they will study

:03:29. > :03:32.the conclusions and decide whether to launch legal action

:03:33. > :03:34.against Tony Blair. I'm going back to that time

:03:35. > :03:43.when I learned that my brother had been killed, and there is one

:03:44. > :03:46.terrorist in this world that the world needs to be aware of,

:03:47. > :03:50.and his name is Tony Blair. But there was a welcome

:03:51. > :03:55.for the report's findings What is your reaction

:03:56. > :04:04.to what you heard? Amazed, I didn't expect it to be

:04:05. > :04:07.as good an outcome, really. I thought we would have a bit

:04:08. > :04:11.of cover up or something. Sir John Chilcot has

:04:12. > :04:14.done us a good job. I'm really, really

:04:15. > :04:18.pleased with the outcome. It's good news, but at the same time

:04:19. > :04:22.it's bad news as well, because I think if Tony Blair wasn't

:04:23. > :04:25.the Prime Minister at the time, I think my dad could still

:04:26. > :04:29.have been here today. The former SAS man John Brown

:04:30. > :04:31.watched Tony Blair's For all of this, I express more

:04:32. > :04:44.sorrow, regret and apology... The Chilcot Report has not given

:04:45. > :05:03.the families all the answers they sought, but it has restored

:05:04. > :05:17.some measure of their faith As we've heard, one of the key

:05:18. > :05:24.criticisms within the Chilcot report is the lack of planning for Ford

:05:25. > :05:32.would happen after Saddam Hussain had been deposed. Jack Straw was the

:05:33. > :05:38.UK 's Foreign Secretary. He has aimed criticism that the Americans,

:05:39. > :05:42.in particular this man, Paul Bremer, who was the US official who decided

:05:43. > :05:59.that the Iraqi army should be disbanded. Mr Straw has said that:

:06:00. > :06:15.We have also heard from a spokesperson for President Bush. A

:06:16. > :06:19.statement says: Lets bringing Gary O'Donoghue, live from Washington,

:06:20. > :06:24.DC. You have a presidential election to keep the US media busy, I wonder

:06:25. > :06:28.if this report has cut through. It honestly hasn't cut through very

:06:29. > :06:33.much here. The White House and State Department have been asked about it,

:06:34. > :06:38.and they have effectively brushed it aside as a sort of UK matter. They

:06:39. > :06:43.say it is something that has been widely litigated, in their words, in

:06:44. > :06:49.the United States, and they feel they have done their postmortem on

:06:50. > :06:54.the Iraq war a long time ago. There are in mind that President Obama has

:06:55. > :06:58.been in for two terms, and he was against the Iraq war, and that also

:06:59. > :07:04.allows the US to distance themselves from these decisions. As you said,

:07:05. > :07:07.former President Bush, saying that the world was better off without

:07:08. > :07:13.Saddam Hussein, pointing to Tony Blair and saying that the world had

:07:14. > :07:21.no stronger ally. There are some incredibly revelatory moments in the

:07:22. > :07:25.report, not least that note in 2002, when Tony Blair said to President

:07:26. > :07:30.Bush, I will be with you, whatever. That is one of the things that has

:07:31. > :07:35.focused people's minds today. Was that a blank cheque to the

:07:36. > :07:38.Americans? Tony Blair says the report vindicates him in terms of

:07:39. > :07:43.that, the American administration not really willing to engage on what

:07:44. > :07:49.that means for the relationship going forward. Tony Blair thought it

:07:50. > :07:53.was essential to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Americans. Did the

:07:54. > :07:59.UK reap the benefit of that in the years that followed? If you look at

:08:00. > :08:06.UK foreign policy since the Second World War, it has been an absolutely

:08:07. > :08:10.enduring theme of Prime Minister 's of all parties that the

:08:11. > :08:15.relationship, the so-called special relationship, is central to

:08:16. > :08:20.Britain's national interest. Sir John Chilcot said that Tony Blair

:08:21. > :08:24.estimate -- overestimated the influence he had in Washington.

:08:25. > :08:29.Talking to a former ambassador to Iraq here this morning, he said that

:08:30. > :08:33.the relationship was important and there was influence on George Bush

:08:34. > :08:38.at the time, from what Tony Blair said, in terms of getting him to go

:08:39. > :08:44.to the UN, for example, for a resolution. I think the UK continues

:08:45. > :08:49.to see itself as a kind of conduit between the US and the rest of the

:08:50. > :08:52.world, so the relationship remains important, but there is no doubt

:08:53. > :08:59.that it paid a price in international terms for being that

:09:00. > :09:05.conduit, because it alienate a pass -- it alienate it partners in

:09:06. > :09:12.Europe, notably France and Germany. I would highly recommend following

:09:13. > :09:28.our correspondence on Twitter for more of this.

:09:29. > :09:39.Alistair Campbell, Tony Blair's press adviser at the time says,

:09:40. > :09:47.mistakes, yes, but no lies, deceit, secret deals, sexing up.

:09:48. > :09:51.One of the most controversial aspects of the run-up to the

:09:52. > :09:55.invasion of Iraq in 2003 was the role being played by the

:09:56. > :09:56.intelligence services. The Chilcot report deals with this explicitly,

:09:57. > :10:13.saying : Here is the BBC's security

:10:14. > :10:15.correspondent, Frank Gardner, on that.

:10:16. > :10:16.Iraq under the late President Saddam Hussein

:10:17. > :10:18.was a notoriously difficult place to spy on.

:10:19. > :10:23.But Washington and Whitehall were desperate to acquire any

:10:24. > :10:24.intelligence on Iraq's suspected chemical, biological

:10:25. > :10:33.UN weapons inspectors had been searching Iraq for evidence of these

:10:34. > :10:38.Saddam's regime behaved as if it were hiding something.

:10:39. > :10:40.In fact, those programmes were destroyed in 1991,

:10:41. > :10:47.But in Whitehall in the run-up to the invasion,

:10:48. > :10:50.the Joint Intelligence Committee seized on what turned out to be

:10:51. > :10:55.flimsy and poorly assessed intelligence supplied by MI6.

:10:56. > :10:58.The Chilcot report says: Judgments about the severity of the threat

:10:59. > :11:00.posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were presented with

:11:01. > :11:08.It adds that the assessed intelligence had not established

:11:09. > :11:12.beyond doubt that Saddam Hussein continued to produce chemical

:11:13. > :11:17.MI6, Britain's Secret Intelligence Service,

:11:18. > :11:22.comes out badly from the Chilcot report.

:11:23. > :11:25.Because it confirms in stark words that the intelligence on Iraq

:11:26. > :11:28.was wrong and it needed to have been rigorously and independently

:11:29. > :11:33.challenged by people other than those who gathered it.

:11:34. > :11:36.Since then, that service has undergone a root and

:11:37. > :11:42.Today raw material supplied by intelligence case officers

:11:43. > :11:45.is independently assessed and challenged by others.

:11:46. > :11:49.For MI6 the Chilcot report still makes uncomfortable reading.

:11:50. > :11:54.But by now its lessons should be well and truly learned.

:11:55. > :12:07.More on the Chilcot report through the BBC News website.

:12:08. > :12:12.Our viewing figures in Wales today might be down on the average, and we

:12:13. > :12:15.could understand, because as I am talking, Wales is involved in

:12:16. > :12:20.arguably the most important football match it has ever played - Wales

:12:21. > :12:21.against Portugal. The Welsh are losing at the moment, with about

:12:22. > :12:39.five minutes to put that right. More on our top story: The former

:12:40. > :12:43.Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, has been giving his reaction to the

:12:44. > :12:48.report. He sat down for an interview with our Deputy political editor.

:12:49. > :12:51.The decision that I made to recommend to the hazard Commons that

:12:52. > :12:56.we should take military action was the most difficult -- to the House

:12:57. > :12:59.of Commons that we should take military action was the most

:13:00. > :13:04.difficult one I have made. It will live with me for the rest of my

:13:05. > :13:10.life, and I fully understand the terrible grief of those who lost

:13:11. > :13:16.loved ones serving in Iraq, UK personnel, and everybody else who

:13:17. > :13:21.has died as a consequence of our decisions. Could you have done more

:13:22. > :13:26.to make post-war planning better? You are named in the report as

:13:27. > :13:30.having failed in that regard. Of course we could, in retrospect. At

:13:31. > :13:34.the time, I thought I was doing everything I conceivably could in

:13:35. > :13:39.terms of post-war planning. Part of the difficulty was that we were, as

:13:40. > :13:43.the report accurately describe, the junior partners of the United

:13:44. > :13:50.States, and that became very evident, not so much jeering the

:13:51. > :13:55.intense military action in March - April 2003, but in the aftermath.

:13:56. > :14:00.For certain, I could have done more things differently with the benefit

:14:01. > :14:04.of hindsight. You are one of very few ministers who knew what was

:14:05. > :14:11.going on. It was not properly discussed or decided, according to

:14:12. > :14:14.Chilcot. There were extensive discussions in Cabinet. There were

:14:15. > :14:19.not discussions on papers in Cabinet. That was something I work

:14:20. > :14:24.for very hard myself, and it is a matter of regret that that didn't

:14:25. > :14:30.happen. Mr Blair now accept that. If there is one thing you could do

:14:31. > :14:36.again differently, what would it be? If there was a magic wand, it would

:14:37. > :14:43.have been to know the truth about Iraq's WMD, or the fact that Saddam

:14:44. > :14:47.had secretly disposed of the unquestioned programmes and holdings

:14:48. > :14:52.that he had had. But I'm afraid, life isn't like that. I ideally wish

:14:53. > :14:59.that the American Government, or part of it, had not made the

:15:00. > :15:01.decision to just abolish the whole of Iraq's security forces, which was

:15:02. > :15:07.a huge error. This is Outside Source live

:15:08. > :15:10.from the BBC newsroom. A long-awaited British inquiry

:15:11. > :15:15.into the Iraq war has heavily criticised the British government

:15:16. > :15:18.for helping the US to invade before all peaceful options

:15:19. > :15:23.had been exhausted. If you're outside of the UK,

:15:24. > :15:31.it's World News America next. And they'll have more analysis

:15:32. > :15:33.of the Chilcot report, including an interview

:15:34. > :15:37.with Stephen Hadley, who was President George Bush's

:15:38. > :15:39.deputy national security advisor Here in the UK, the

:15:40. > :15:44.News at Ten is next. It'll also have more

:15:45. > :15:46.on the Chilcot report, including an in-depth look

:15:47. > :15:48.at the failings of the UK Let's turn away from the Chilcot

:15:49. > :16:03.report for a few minutes. A video has emerged appearing

:16:04. > :16:06.to show two white police officers holding down and shooting dead

:16:07. > :16:08.a black man in Louisiana. The confrontation happened

:16:09. > :16:10.in Baton Rouge after reports of a man threatening people

:16:11. > :16:15.with a gun outside a shop. I'm going to play you some

:16:16. > :16:19.of the video now, but a warning that some of you may

:16:20. > :16:40.find it distressing. After that, Alton

:16:41. > :17:02.Sterling was shot dead. He is not what the mass media is

:17:03. > :17:09.making him out to be. This is a play to try and obscure the image of a

:17:10. > :17:10.man who is simply trying to earn a living.

:17:11. > :17:13.There have been protests and a furious response on social media.

:17:14. > :17:15.We must see this in the context of, first, the number

:17:16. > :17:18.of people killed by police - that figure is over

:17:19. > :17:22.And that, second, the number of these people who are black is hugely

:17:23. > :17:26.disproportionate to the make-up of American society.

:17:27. > :17:40.There should be no doubt in anybody's's mind that this incident

:17:41. > :17:44.is going to be investigated impartially, professionally and

:17:45. > :17:48.thoroughly by the United States Department of Justice Civil Rights

:17:49. > :17:55.division. Hopefully, when the community understands that, the

:17:56. > :17:59.tensions will ease, and we will continue to press for calm and

:18:00. > :18:05.patience. That is what I am asking for right now. Back to our lead

:18:06. > :18:17.story. You may have seen on Sunday that there was the deadliest attack

:18:18. > :18:27.in Iraq. The Chilcot report details that between the invasion and July

:18:28. > :18:33.2009, at least 150,000 Iraqis died June ring either the invasion or the

:18:34. > :18:37.subsequent instability. The BBC's Middle East editor, Jeremy Bowen,

:18:38. > :18:50.has been reporting all week from Iraq. Here is his latest report.

:18:51. > :18:54.The people of Baghdad and the rest of Iraq are still living and dying

:18:55. > :18:56.with the consequences of the 2003 invasion.

:18:57. > :18:58.Security is being beefed up yet again after the bomb that killed

:18:59. > :19:02.But the fear of a sudden random death is never far away.

:19:03. > :19:05.When the US forces reached Baghdad in April 2003, pictures of them

:19:06. > :19:07.helping Iraqis topple a statue of Saddam Hussein went

:19:08. > :19:19.Hadi Al Jabari started knocking lumps out of the plinth to celebrate

:19:20. > :19:23.Now like many Iraqis, he's nostalgic for the brutal

:19:24. > :19:30.TRANSLATION: Saddam has gone and we now have 1000 Saddams.

:19:31. > :19:34.If Tony Blair was here this morning, what would you say to him?

:19:35. > :19:37.TRANSLATION: I would say to him, you are a criminal.

:19:38. > :19:44.Less than an hour's drive from Baghdad, these are Iraqi Shia

:19:45. > :19:46.militiamen, trained and equipped by Iran,

:19:47. > :19:58.Chilcot says the British Government ignored a warning that removing

:19:59. > :20:07.Saddam would offer Iran an opening in Iraq.

:20:08. > :20:09.Captured IS positions seemed to have been prepared by trained soldiers,

:20:10. > :20:16.IS commanders include former Iraqi officers who joined

:20:17. > :20:20.the jihadists when the US and Britain dissolved the Iraqi army.

:20:21. > :20:22.Not all of the chaos, violence and war in the Middle East

:20:23. > :20:27.at the moment can be traced back to the invasion of Iraq in 2003,

:20:28. > :20:34.It was like throwing a great big rock into a pond,

:20:35. > :20:38.it sent out shock waves, geopolitical, religious,

:20:39. > :20:47.And 13 years later, they're still crashing around the region.

:20:48. > :20:49.Warnings about internal strife, regional instability and the rise

:20:50. > :20:55.of jihadists were also ignored by Number Ten, says Chilcot.

:20:56. > :21:02.Iraq's sectarian violence spread to Syria, Yemen, and elsewhere.

:21:03. > :21:08.As leaders used and abused Shia Sunni fears to fight for power.

:21:09. > :21:18.Jihadists were on the attack before the invasion.

:21:19. > :21:21.But Iraq after 2003 offered Al-Qaeda a haven and launch pad that Islamic

:21:22. > :21:25.Small numbers of British troops who we filmed on condition

:21:26. > :21:34.At this base, Australians and New Zealanders

:21:35. > :21:44.It is a long way from what Chilcot calls the humiliating

:21:45. > :21:45.end of an intervention that went badly wrong,

:21:46. > :22:00.We're going to finish today's Outside Source by bringing you

:22:01. > :22:06.up-to-date on the football. It has been the first semi final of Euro

:22:07. > :22:11.2016. Portugal versus Wales, and if you will forgive me dropping away

:22:12. > :22:18.BBC neutrality for a moment, it hasn't gone well. Let's talk to

:22:19. > :22:24.Katie. It sounds, looking at the BBC live page, that there was too much

:22:25. > :22:29.Ronaldo for Wales. He has been sensational, you are

:22:30. > :22:34.right. We have just had the final whistle. It is the Portuguese fans

:22:35. > :22:40.who will go home celebrating. They have seen their team win 2-0 to make

:22:41. > :22:49.it to the final. For Wales fans, it has been a fairy tale. It was a

:22:50. > :22:54.nervous start to the match, but it burst into life after the break.

:22:55. > :22:59.Christianity Ronaldo scored a fantastic header from a corner, to

:23:00. > :23:04.score the game's opening goal. Three minutes later, Portugal had a

:23:05. > :23:09.second. Wales switched off again and a shot from Ronaldo was swept in.

:23:10. > :23:16.Those two body blows meant Wales could not recover. They will go home

:23:17. > :23:21.disappointed, but they will hold their heads high. They will go home

:23:22. > :23:31.as heroes. No one expected them to get this far. They won... Portugal

:23:32. > :23:37.head on to Paris to play either France or Germany on Sunday.

:23:38. > :23:41.It feels like it wasn't so long ago that we were talking about the

:23:42. > :23:46.trouble between England and Russia fans - what is the atmosphere like

:23:47. > :23:51.today? It has been really positive. I think

:23:52. > :24:02.we can say that, from Wales fans in particular, all along. It has been a

:24:03. > :24:06.party atmosphere for them. We have not seen any trouble from Wales or

:24:07. > :24:12.Portuguese fans. Everywhere you look, there have been red shirts,

:24:13. > :24:15.singing nonstop throughout the day. It has been a positive atmosphere.

:24:16. > :24:20.We did notice some of the security forces here in the fan park moving

:24:21. > :24:25.quite quickly into the crowd at the end, but I think that was a

:24:26. > :24:28.precautionary measure. Overall, the atmosphere has been very good,

:24:29. > :24:33.Portuguese fans really celebrating and hoping that their team can win a

:24:34. > :24:37.major tournament. Ronaldo hoping as well that he can win his first major

:24:38. > :24:42.trophy for Portugal. He has won just about everything else.

:24:43. > :24:48.I'll leave you to enjoy the atmosphere. Portugal are through. It

:24:49. > :24:52.is France versus Germany tomorrow. One of those will face Portugal. We

:24:53. > :24:57.will cover the build-up to the final across the weekend. Outside Source

:24:58. > :25:06.should be live from the place that wins on Monday. See you then.

:25:07. > :25:13.Hello there. A huge weekend of sporting event coming up, which will

:25:14. > :25:14.look at in more detail