:00:09. > :00:11.Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.
:00:12. > :00:15.Let's look through some of the main stories here in the BBC Newsroom.
:00:16. > :00:20.Donald Trump has signed into action orders to build his wall and limit
:00:21. > :00:25.funds to cities that protect illegal immigrants, and says building
:00:26. > :00:35.I would say in months, I am planning to start immediately.
:00:36. > :00:38.We'll also be picking apart what Donald Trump's latest
:00:39. > :00:41.policies means for abortion, the environment and immigration from
:00:42. > :00:55.A lot to get through - if you want to get in touch,
:00:56. > :01:21.It is hard to predict which subject areas will generate interest from
:01:22. > :01:25.your questions and most of the questions are about Executive
:01:26. > :01:29.orders, what the presidents can use them for, if there are any checks,
:01:30. > :01:35.can they sign of funding or of Congress needs to get involved. We
:01:36. > :01:38.have been looking at the questions on Executive orders, Anthony will
:01:39. > :01:43.join us in about 15 minutes and we can work through a lot of these
:01:44. > :01:55.issues. We must turn to some other really significant developments. Let
:01:56. > :02:00.us do that. Bit by bit. There are reports that Mr Trump might intend
:02:01. > :02:05.to lift a ban on CIA black site prisons, secret prisons or non-US
:02:06. > :02:06.territory used for interrogations and well President George W Bush was
:02:07. > :02:10.in power. The New York Times says
:02:11. > :02:12.there is a draft executive order that would roll back a series
:02:13. > :02:18.of restrictions that Barack Obama set on the treatment of detainees -
:02:19. > :02:20.other media has this But let's take note of this -
:02:21. > :02:29.the White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer says this document isn't
:02:30. > :02:43.from the White House. Can you shed any light on this draft
:02:44. > :02:50.memo going around about interrogation practices? Yes. What
:02:51. > :02:54.agency did this originate from? I don't know, it is not a White House
:02:55. > :02:59.document and for those who have reported on this, this is the second
:03:00. > :03:02.day that a document that was not from the White House has been
:03:03. > :03:09.reported on as factual. I have no idea where that came from. It is not
:03:10. > :03:15.a White House document. Donald Trump has been asked about water boarding.
:03:16. > :03:19.If he feels it might prompt some useful information. This was his
:03:20. > :03:21.reply... Absolutely, I feel it works.
:03:22. > :03:23.But he'll "defer to the Defence Secretary and CIA Director"
:03:24. > :03:32.But he is quite clear that he believes it is something the United
:03:33. > :03:43.States can justify and that it works. We can speak to Barbara Plett
:03:44. > :03:49.Usher. That statement on water boarding, is that a significant
:03:50. > :03:54.shift? He has saying that -- been saying that throughout the campaign,
:03:55. > :03:57.that enhanced interrogation techniques can be effective and he
:03:58. > :04:04.said that terror suspects deserve it but the caveat is significant. That
:04:05. > :04:08.he would take the advice or defer to the head of the military and the CIA
:04:09. > :04:14.and the head of the military has been clear that they will stand
:04:15. > :04:18.against enhanced interrogation techniques, this is something that
:04:19. > :04:25.do not advise, in keeping with government policy. At the moment we
:04:26. > :04:29.are looking at Mr Trump's opinion. If we see that enhanced in any
:04:30. > :04:34.Executive what we will have to question what will come from this.
:04:35. > :04:38.If he says he would refer to the Cabinet members and intelligence
:04:39. > :04:45.officials, it seems unlikely he will move forward on this. I wanted to
:04:46. > :04:51.mention reports on black sites, CIA prisons, we have seen organisations
:04:52. > :04:54.saying that they oppose this what I wanted to emphasise the caveat, we
:04:55. > :05:03.cannot confirm this is happening. What have you been hearing? This is
:05:04. > :05:08.something that is in the Pentagon and intelligence areas and I am at
:05:09. > :05:12.the State Department so there has not been a lot of talk here. But the
:05:13. > :05:19.document circulated talks about are a few of those black sites, it is
:05:20. > :05:26.something that President Obama did away with, something that was very
:05:27. > :05:32.much criticised at home and especially abroad and at Whitby at
:05:33. > :05:35.big step to bring them back but what does review mean? It means Mr Trump
:05:36. > :05:41.is thinking about it, he wants to signal he is ready to go in that
:05:42. > :05:46.direction and the question is, what do his key officials in the security
:05:47. > :05:50.team advise him? And if he is going to take the opinion of the top
:05:51. > :05:53.people on that, particularly the head of the military, he will be
:05:54. > :05:59.told he needs to temper that kind of approach. The next thing, I want to
:06:00. > :06:05.bring up some copy on the screen... Each of the stories would be
:06:06. > :06:10.considered significant on their own. This is from Reuters, the draft of
:06:11. > :06:13.an Executive order has been seen directing the Pentagon and State
:06:14. > :06:21.Department to create plans for safe zones for civilians in Syria.
:06:22. > :06:25.Barbara? What are you hearing? I can tell you that the State Department
:06:26. > :06:30.is scrambling to keep up with not only these executive orders but the
:06:31. > :06:34.reports about executive orders that might get issued so we're not
:06:35. > :06:38.getting any official reaction but I can say that this is consistent with
:06:39. > :06:45.what Mr Trump said during his campaign. He supported the idea of
:06:46. > :06:49.safe zones in Syria for civilians, essentially at the time he presented
:06:50. > :06:53.them as a way to keep Syrian civilians in Syria or east of the
:06:54. > :06:58.region as a way to stem the refugee crisis and another thing he said he
:06:59. > :07:02.-- is he would get the Gulf countries to pay for that. Would
:07:03. > :07:05.they do that? He has never detailed how this would work militarily and
:07:06. > :07:10.the government has not gone for them so far because to have a real one
:07:11. > :07:16.you have to have military muscle behind it, planes in the sky ready
:07:17. > :07:21.to shoot down any threat. This is quite a big deal to set up a safe
:07:22. > :07:25.sun but that will be studied, apparently. One last story of huge
:07:26. > :07:30.significance, if it happens. Reports that immigrants from seven
:07:31. > :07:34.countries, including Libya, Yemen, Iran, Syria and Iraq will be
:07:35. > :07:40.incredibly restricted in their ability to come into the US. What
:07:41. > :07:45.have you heard? That is part of Mr Trump 's promise to restrict
:07:46. > :07:52.immigration from countries that are seen as a real security threat
:07:53. > :07:55.because they have Islamic State or Al-Qaeda operatives in them and he
:07:56. > :07:59.says he is not convinced the betting is good enough to make sure there is
:08:00. > :08:03.no threat so this has not been announced from -- but from what we
:08:04. > :08:07.hear, the idea is to block immigrants or bases from seven
:08:08. > :08:14.countries, all of them North African and Middle Eastern, for at least a
:08:15. > :08:18.period of one month or more. In order to look at what the vetting
:08:19. > :08:23.practices should be. That would be something that falls to the State
:08:24. > :08:28.Department briefed and you can hear people here saying we have stringent
:08:29. > :08:33.practices already and we are not sure how far we can go unless that
:08:34. > :08:38.it is something he turned to instead of his initial promise, which was to
:08:39. > :08:41.block Muslims from coming to the United States. As it can see from
:08:42. > :08:48.the countries mentioned, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, they are all
:08:49. > :08:51.Muslim countries anyway. But it would be some specific countries
:08:52. > :08:57.rather than a blanket ban and the way it has been presented is this
:08:58. > :09:02.would be a temporary block to begin with, based on reviewing vetting
:09:03. > :09:06.procedures. It has been quite a day. Thank you for helping us for that.
:09:07. > :09:15.Barbara Plett Usher live from the State Department. We're spending the
:09:16. > :09:19.entire hour looking at developments with the Trump administration. We
:09:20. > :09:25.are taking you through these one by one. And also any questions you have
:09:26. > :09:27.on the stories we are covering. You can find me on social media and we
:09:28. > :09:37.have an e-mail address on screen. Mr Trump has already fundamentally
:09:38. > :10:05.shifted US policy on trade, energy, and immigration next
:10:06. > :10:06.to federal communication. Two departments have been
:10:07. > :10:09.on the receiving end of a de These are memos released
:10:10. > :10:12.to the media - they show the President has banned US
:10:13. > :10:14.Environmental Protection Agency employees from "providing updates
:10:15. > :10:17.on social media or to reporters". Similar guidance has been
:10:18. > :10:18.issued to Department That didn't go down well
:10:19. > :10:21.with someone with access Today, the amount of carbon
:10:22. > :10:25.dioxide in the atmosphere is higher than at any time
:10:26. > :10:28.in the last 650,000 years. The point was to say, please take
:10:29. > :10:30.climate change seriously. That and a couple of
:10:31. > :10:32.others were deleted. Matt McGrath is the BBC's
:10:33. > :10:34.environment correspondent. I wanted to know from him whether it
:10:35. > :10:37.would be normal for an environmental agency like this to communicate
:10:38. > :10:48.directly with journalists Pretty much so and what has happened
:10:49. > :10:53.in the United States under President Trump is very unusual. If you look
:10:54. > :10:57.at what he said about what he wants the EPA to be, he wants to be about
:10:58. > :11:01.clean air clean water. Not to be doing so much stuff on climate
:11:02. > :11:06.change. At the moment they have put in place a block on the EPA
:11:07. > :11:10.furthering grants and doing business and they have asked employees not to
:11:11. > :11:14.communicate about that. Whether that will be reviewed and what will
:11:15. > :11:18.happen, we don't yet know. Clean air and what is important but regarding
:11:19. > :11:25.climate change the suggestion is the White House will take a more central
:11:26. > :11:28.role on how America responds? You must understand the EPA has played a
:11:29. > :11:35.crucial role under President Obama on climate change, the Supreme Court
:11:36. > :11:39.Judge -- judged that carbon dioxide gas was a blatant and President
:11:40. > :11:44.Obama used EPA to regulate that. President Trump and his team believe
:11:45. > :11:48.the EPA is involved on putting up too much regulation that stop the
:11:49. > :11:52.oil and gas industry and the coal industry and he wants to remove
:11:53. > :11:56.those. The battle over climate has practical applications and President
:11:57. > :12:00.Trump sees this as key to the way he revives industry throughout the US.
:12:01. > :12:06.Is one of the applications that EPA will get smaller? That is what
:12:07. > :12:12.people fear, if not shut down, at least curtailed in many ways. Scott
:12:13. > :12:17.Pruitt, the Oklahoma Attorney General, who was likely to be the
:12:18. > :12:22.head of the EPA, has taken lawsuits against EPA. The belief is they will
:12:23. > :12:28.curtail this and its role in carbon dioxide production. We have talked
:12:29. > :12:32.about Federal Communications and immigration and trade and
:12:33. > :12:34.international security. We can talk about what he did on Monday.
:12:35. > :12:36.On Monday, President Trump signed an executive order cancelling funds
:12:37. > :12:39.for groups that offer abortions or abortion advocacy, even if they
:12:40. > :12:43.This means that aid agencies working in foreign countries will lose
:12:44. > :12:47.Today we've heard that the Netherlands is launching
:12:48. > :12:51.a global fund to try and cover the lost funding.
:12:52. > :12:54.The country's foreign ministry said "Where decisions are taken that
:12:55. > :12:57.are bad for women in developing countries we should
:12:58. > :13:04."It's not about the politics, it's about those women."
:13:05. > :13:08.PAI is a global reproductive health organisation and says "This
:13:09. > :13:11.is a policy denying women life-saving services -
:13:12. > :13:15.it will cut off funding for groups providing HIV testing kits
:13:16. > :13:18.to teenagers, it will cut malaria programmes".
:13:19. > :13:26.But Donald Trump and his supporters argue this move is justified.
:13:27. > :13:32.The White House Press Secretary took on the issue on Monday.
:13:33. > :13:42.This is Sean Spicer. I think the President has made it clear he is
:13:43. > :13:47.pro-life. He wants to stand up for all Americans, including the unborn,
:13:48. > :13:51.and the reinstatement of this policy is not just something that echoes
:13:52. > :13:55.that value but respects Nick Sayer funding and ensures we stand up not
:13:56. > :14:01.just for life and the life of the unborn but for all taxpayer funds
:14:02. > :14:04.being spent oversized to perform an action that is contrary to the
:14:05. > :14:09.actions of this President. -- overseas. This continues to grow.
:14:10. > :14:12.Nancy Kacungira in Nairobi updated me on what this means
:14:13. > :14:17.for aid organisations in developing countries.
:14:18. > :14:25.Countries like Kenya. Simply, they are worried they will have to reduce
:14:26. > :14:30.the number of services they offer to some of the oppressed people on the
:14:31. > :14:37.continent. The thing about this iteration of the global bank is it
:14:38. > :14:42.has spread the net wider and it encompasses not just family planning
:14:43. > :14:46.at all global health funding. This means organisations working with
:14:47. > :14:49.malaria programmes here and with maternal health programmes, whatever
:14:50. > :14:54.it is, they have to ensure there is not a single part of any of those
:14:55. > :14:58.programmes that does so much as offer the suggestion of abortion.
:14:59. > :15:02.There is quite a lot of concern that this is going to impact them heavily
:15:03. > :15:08.in terms of the services they can offer. There might be some Americans
:15:09. > :15:15.who want to ask, why is it us that is required to provide the funding
:15:16. > :15:19.for this? That is a long-standing commitment that the US has
:15:20. > :15:25.continually made and abortion is a very contentious issue. Here in
:15:26. > :15:30.Africa, there are 1.6 million cases related to unsafe abortions that are
:15:31. > :15:33.tended to across the continent every year and there is not much funding
:15:34. > :15:39.coming from anywhere else. Aid organisations have traditionally
:15:40. > :15:43.relied on the United States for help with some of this funding,
:15:44. > :15:46.especially in countries where the restrictions and the law allowed
:15:47. > :15:55.abortion is very complex or very ambiguous. So it is for the longest
:15:56. > :15:59.term partnership but the United States has been involved in with the
:16:00. > :16:06.continent and many will be sad to see that change. Thank you. Let us
:16:07. > :16:07.continue on the coverage of all the developments today involving the
:16:08. > :16:09.Trump administration. I want to talk about Gary Cohn -
:16:10. > :16:13.he's Mr Trump's pick to lead the US Until that job offer came, he's been
:16:14. > :16:17.President of Goldman Sachs. His selection has sent the sent
:16:18. > :16:21.Goldman Sachs shareprice soaring It has gone up. This is January and
:16:22. > :16:30.it has been going up. He's going to have to divest
:16:31. > :16:33.himself from the bank - The Wall Street Journal
:16:34. > :16:54.puts a figure on it. It estimated that his exit will top
:16:55. > :16:59.$100 million. First of all, what is this job? What will he be doing? You
:17:00. > :17:05.will remember under the Obama administration he assembled a
:17:06. > :17:08.council so people who were within the business community and also
:17:09. > :17:12.economists who got around and talked a lot about what the direction of
:17:13. > :17:18.the US economy and what should be done about it. This is an extension
:17:19. > :17:23.of that same kind of idea. What is interesting is when you look at the
:17:24. > :17:29.wider Trump economic team, including other members of that team, there
:17:30. > :17:35.are a few Goldman Sachs veterans and that is part of the reason why we
:17:36. > :17:43.see the stock value going up so much and that is probably one of the
:17:44. > :17:50.biggest lifts to the Dow since the election, we have seen them entering
:17:51. > :17:54.the Trump administration. That might lead to a lighter touch regulation
:17:55. > :18:01.for the banking sector and perhaps we could see after the crash in
:18:02. > :18:04.2008? Exactly right. But just for banks in general and Mr Trump has
:18:05. > :18:08.spoken about this and his colleagues, about rolling back some
:18:09. > :18:12.of those backing regulations but specifically regarding Goldman
:18:13. > :18:20.Sachs, when you have more than a few people who are veterans of that bank
:18:21. > :18:23.as part of the demonstration, there could be a lighter touch
:18:24. > :18:28.specifically regarding that bank. Thank you for joining us twice. We
:18:29. > :18:33.have been getting lots of questions for you. Specifically about
:18:34. > :18:40.executive orders. We will get to those in a few moments.
:18:41. > :18:42.Women are experiencing widespread discrimination when it comes
:18:43. > :18:46.to dress codes at work, according to a parliamentary report.
:18:47. > :18:49.MPs heard from hundreds of women who reported that the dress codes
:18:50. > :18:58.She was told to wear high heels on her first day
:18:59. > :19:03.Scarlet Harris is the women's equality officer at the TUC.
:19:04. > :19:07.Melanie Bramwell runs a recruitment agency.
:19:08. > :19:09.I caught up with them to hear about dress code discrimination
:19:10. > :19:13.and how Nicola refused to toe the line.
:19:14. > :19:18.When I realised that they were insisting that all women wore high
:19:19. > :19:22.heels to portray their desired image, it made me realise that,
:19:23. > :19:25.actually, my employer didn't want me to just look smart and professional,
:19:26. > :19:32.And I didn't want to be seen as attractive in the workplace.
:19:33. > :19:38.So, Scarlet, how widespread is the issue?
:19:39. > :19:42.The committee found lots and lots of women talking
:19:43. > :19:44.about their experiences of being made to wear,
:19:45. > :19:48.not just high heels, but certain types of make up, being asked
:19:49. > :19:51.to wear sheer blouses, being asked to wear skirts
:19:52. > :19:55.The government said Nicola's dress code was unlawful,
:19:56. > :20:01.But MPs said that the law wasn't effective enough, leaving employers
:20:02. > :20:08.It is open to interpretation, as we say, the word reasonable
:20:09. > :20:10.is used there and that is open to interpretation.
:20:11. > :20:16.Is it so bad to ask a woman worker to wear a heel when we ask male
:20:17. > :20:22.I think they are two entirely different things.
:20:23. > :20:25.They took lots of evidence from women saying they were going
:20:26. > :20:29.home with bleeding feet, they were taking painkillers
:20:30. > :20:32.at night to be able to sleep because they were in so much pain
:20:33. > :20:34.from the shoes they'd been wearing during the day.
:20:35. > :20:38.That's just not comparable to wearing a tie or a suit jacket.
:20:39. > :20:41.Some might say this is all a bit of a storm in a teacup.
:20:42. > :20:46.They might very well do but you have to look at the bigger picture.
:20:47. > :20:52.There are plenty of women who like to wear heels to work,
:20:53. > :20:54.like to wear a face full of make-up to work.
:20:55. > :21:00.This issue, the high heel thing, is symbolic of a hangover from that
:21:01. > :21:03.1950s kind of era where women were only seen as secretaries
:21:04. > :21:05.and receptionists, and now we are running the companies.
:21:06. > :21:19.Let us wear what we want, as long as we are smart.
:21:20. > :21:22.This is Outside Source live from the BBC newsroom.
:21:23. > :21:26.Donald Trump has signed executive orders launching plans to build
:21:27. > :21:29.a wall on the US-Mexico border and limiting funds to cities that
:21:30. > :21:52.We can go back to Washington, Anthony Zurcher is here. We have a
:21:53. > :21:58.lot of questions for you about executive orders. A couple of people
:21:59. > :22:02.want to say, what about the funds? If you order something with
:22:03. > :22:07.executive orders, can you worry that the funding is in place? You cannot
:22:08. > :22:13.create new funding with executive orders but you can move the funding
:22:14. > :22:17.around so Trump might be trying to move some funds for the wall
:22:18. > :22:23.building previously allocated for other reasons into wall construction
:22:24. > :22:29.or something for subsidies and aid to Mexico into wall construction but
:22:30. > :22:32.Congress has the power and the purse and originally brings new funding
:22:33. > :22:38.into existence and Congress has to pass an appropriation. Someone asks,
:22:39. > :22:45.are the examples that fall outside the scope of executive orders? Well,
:22:46. > :22:54.anything that creates new law, take an example, immigration, Congress
:22:55. > :22:57.originally was trying to legalise what permanently normalise the
:22:58. > :23:01.status of children who had come to the country as undocumented and make
:23:02. > :23:04.them permanent residence or give them some immigration status and
:23:05. > :23:09.they did not do that so Barack Obama used an Executive order to say, we
:23:10. > :23:13.will not deport them, given temporary status. That was only a
:23:14. > :23:18.temporary move, he could not make a lot to say these people are not
:23:19. > :23:23.legal. In the same way he try to get Congress to pass laws increasing
:23:24. > :23:33.regulation of firearms. He wasn't able to so he executive orders that
:23:34. > :23:35.used some of his Presidential authority to increase scrutiny on
:23:36. > :23:38.gun sales but he could not outright ban assault rifles or have larger
:23:39. > :23:42.background checks at gun shows and things like that. Some people have
:23:43. > :23:48.picked up on this point... How long do these executive orders last, I
:23:49. > :23:54.have a prominent? Be last until they be repealed. Executive orders that
:23:55. > :23:59.Barack Obama put into place lasted through the expiration of his term
:24:00. > :24:03.into Donald Trump's term but because one President can do one thing,
:24:04. > :24:09.another can it so Donald Trump can enter them when he wants as has done
:24:10. > :24:18.with the abortion counselling and that he stated. We appreciate your
:24:19. > :24:22.help. What about tomorrow? More on immigration, particularly taking a
:24:23. > :24:27.look at people coming from other countries. There was talk about a
:24:28. > :24:31.ban on Muslims, I don't think we will see that but we could see some
:24:32. > :24:38.immigration visa bans on certain countries and also that could be
:24:39. > :24:42.further looking at refugees, perhaps a ban on Serbian refugees and a
:24:43. > :24:46.suspension of the US refugee programme. We will see. You will
:24:47. > :24:52.help us through that. Thank you. We appreciate that. Thank you for all
:24:53. > :24:56.of us who stayed with us. Lead story is President Trump has begun the
:24:57. > :25:00.process of building a wall along the US Mexico border but there have been
:25:01. > :25:02.many other developments besides. All the updates online. I will see you
:25:03. > :25:16.tomorrow. Goodbye. This time yesterday John was
:25:17. > :25:17.explaining how dry it has been in the last couple of months because of