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:00:09. > :00:13.Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

:00:14. > :00:21.Straight to Washington because President Trump's National Security

:00:22. > :00:28.adviser, Michael Flynn has resigned after he allegedly misled officials

:00:29. > :00:32.over his contacts with Russia. The white has said he did nothing

:00:33. > :00:37.illegal. There is not a legal issue, but a trust issue.

:00:38. > :00:40.Nevertheless, once again the Trump administrations ties to Russia

:00:41. > :00:42.are once again in the spotlight, we'll be live in Washington.

:00:43. > :00:45.The half Brother of North korean leader Kim Jong-Un has been killed.

:00:46. > :00:48.Kim Jong-Nam is believed to have been assasinated at Kuala Lumpur

:00:49. > :01:09.And if you want to get in touch at any time:

:01:10. > :01:12.In the last 24 hours we were asking if President Trump's national

:01:13. > :01:19.Now the questions are, did Mr Flynn discuss US

:01:20. > :01:23.sanctions with Russia before Donald Trump took office?

:01:24. > :01:33.Let's do an Outside Source Reality Check.

:01:34. > :01:36.Sean Spicer is the White House press secretary and he gave a press

:01:37. > :01:46.On the issue of legality, he was clear.

:01:47. > :01:53.The issue isn't whether or not what he discussed, there has been a

:01:54. > :01:57.complete legal review and there is no issue. The issue is whether or

:01:58. > :02:00.not he failed to properly informed the vice president or not being

:02:01. > :02:04.honest with him, or not remember it. But that is the issue. When he lost

:02:05. > :02:06.trust with the president, that is when the president asked for and

:02:07. > :02:09.received his resignation. What General Flynn discussed

:02:10. > :02:11.with the Russian ambassador matters because it could have violated this

:02:12. > :02:18.law which states that a US citizen "who, without authority

:02:19. > :02:22.of the United States, directly or indirectly commences

:02:23. > :02:24.or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign

:02:25. > :02:27.government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence

:02:28. > :02:43.measures or conduct. Anthony, I know you are not a

:02:44. > :02:50.lawyer, is the press secretary correct to say there is no legal

:02:51. > :02:54.case to answer? The reference to the Logan act from 1789 is a reality

:02:55. > :02:59.that it hasn't been used to prosecute anyone ever. It has been

:03:00. > :03:02.used to threaten people with prosecution, so it does have a

:03:03. > :03:06.little bit of teat, but to go and said General Flint violated this

:03:07. > :03:11.particular law and they will throw the book at him, that would be

:03:12. > :03:16.remarkable over the history of this 200 J history of this law. It is

:03:17. > :03:20.safe to say they are probably on firm ground and there has been a

:03:21. > :03:25.tradition in the transition coming in and reaching out to their foreign

:03:26. > :03:29.colleagues to introduce themselves, start making connections like that.

:03:30. > :03:35.The question would be whether General Flint did more than that.

:03:36. > :03:38.Repeatedly, Sean Spicer said what General Flint did was in line with

:03:39. > :03:46.what would be expected of someone coming into this post, is that

:03:47. > :03:49.reasonable comment? Introductions are expected, but if we get to see

:03:50. > :03:54.what the actual content of these calls are, and there have been

:03:55. > :03:58.requests to release the transcript. We see General Flynn was selling the

:03:59. > :04:03.Russian ambassador, don't worry what President Obama is doing now, we

:04:04. > :04:07.will take care of it later, or doing anything to undermine the US policy

:04:08. > :04:11.at a particular time. That could be a better example of something the

:04:12. > :04:15.Logan act could be used to prosecute under. Although again, it would be

:04:16. > :04:29.the first time it has ever been employed. Anthony, stay with us. The

:04:30. > :04:35.Washington Post is at the centre of this story. We know the general

:04:36. > :04:41.outline of the phone calls which took place on or about January the

:04:42. > :04:49.29th when the Obama Administration impose sanctions and other punitive

:04:50. > :04:57.measures against Russia. There was a summary of the calls' contents.

:04:58. > :05:02.Among the FBI and circulated among the top officials in the Obama

:05:03. > :05:07.Administration that indicated the content and the nature of the call,

:05:08. > :05:14.but not a verbatim transcript. Speaking to former senior officials

:05:15. > :05:22.who have seen the summary, we understand that General Flynn, well

:05:23. > :05:30.he might not have given a quid pro quo, he made it clear that he felt

:05:31. > :05:36.Russia should not overreact to the sanctions that were imposed because

:05:37. > :05:40.they, the incoming Trump Administration would handle it when

:05:41. > :05:47.they took over. So there was a suggestion they would somehow ease

:05:48. > :05:51.up on Moscow and the Trump Administration came in. Michael

:05:52. > :06:00.Flynn has not confirmed he discussed sanctions, he has said he cannot be

:06:01. > :06:04.sure if he did or not. It is far from clear what circumstances

:06:05. > :06:05.Michael Flynn resigned in. Kellyanne Conway is a key

:06:06. > :06:14.advisor to President Trump. In the end it was misleading the

:06:15. > :06:18.vice president that made the situation and sustainable. Which the

:06:19. > :06:21.White House knew about last month. Yesterday you went on the air and

:06:22. > :06:25.said General Flynn had the complete and full confidence of the

:06:26. > :06:27.president. General Flynn decided to resign last night on the president

:06:28. > :06:29.accepted his resignation. Next, this is Sean Spicer

:06:30. > :06:41.later in the day. The evolving and eroding level of

:06:42. > :06:45.trust as a result of this situation in a series of other questionable

:06:46. > :06:51.instances, is what led the president to ask for General Flynn's

:06:52. > :07:00.resignation. So a suggestion the president asked for the resignation.

:07:01. > :07:03.Does it matter we are getting burying accounts? It matters a

:07:04. > :07:10.little bit who * lead the resignation, because it makes Donald

:07:11. > :07:16.Trump look decisive or it makes him look like Michael Flynn took one for

:07:17. > :07:20.the team. What they were getting at, Donald Trump himself knew about the

:07:21. > :07:27.subject of the conversation on January the 26th, he knew that Flynn

:07:28. > :07:30.had talked about sanctions according to the intelligence agencies and

:07:31. > :07:35.then misremembered or misrepresented, or worse, and told

:07:36. > :07:39.Mike Pence under the people in the Administration to misrepresent what

:07:40. > :07:43.he said. And then Trump knew about that on the 26 and went on another

:07:44. > :07:50.18 days from their before asking Flynn to resign or taking his

:07:51. > :07:55.resignation. It is a long stretch of time, during which Flynn, met with

:07:56. > :07:58.foreign officials, put Iran on notice, he helped Donald Trump deal

:07:59. > :08:03.with the North Korean missile launch. He was very active within

:08:04. > :08:07.the Administration. There are real questions being raised now why

:08:08. > :08:10.Donald Trump waited until basically it all came out into the public

:08:11. > :08:21.before he lost his confidence in Michael Flynn every day we take you

:08:22. > :08:22.through the key developments in the last 24 hours in the Trump

:08:23. > :08:24.Administration. One of the reasons it was thought

:08:25. > :08:27.General Flynn might keep his job is that he's been a loyal supporter

:08:28. > :08:30.of Mr Trump's from early Here he is talking about Hillary

:08:31. > :08:50.Clinton on the campaign trail. Lock her up. Lock her up. You guys

:08:51. > :09:00.are good. Dam right, you are exactly right. There is nothing wrong with

:09:01. > :09:07.that. Lock her up. Lock her up. You know why we are saying that? We are

:09:08. > :09:12.saying that because it's light, a guy who knows this business, if I

:09:13. > :09:16.did a tenth of what she did, I would be in jail today.

:09:17. > :09:23.Anthony, this is a story which is holding their attention. More

:09:24. > :09:29.broadly for Mr Trump, how big a blow is this? I think it definitely

:09:30. > :09:34.knocks the administration on their heels. They are spending a lot of

:09:35. > :09:38.time talking about this and not working with Congress to enact their

:09:39. > :09:41.gender. Members of Congress are being asked about what they are

:09:42. > :09:47.going to do, if they will investigate General Flynn and these

:09:48. > :09:52.ties to Russia or not. It is a big distraction. What the administration

:09:53. > :09:57.needs to be doing right now is building up public support and it

:09:58. > :10:01.cannot do that. I think it is a real problem and I don't think it will

:10:02. > :10:07.end any time soon. We just got a New York Times report about an hour ago

:10:08. > :10:12.that the FBI interviewed Michael Flynn while he was NSA and asked him

:10:13. > :10:17.about these ties to Russia. That brings a whole different element

:10:18. > :10:24.into this, as to whether he told the truth to the FBI, which would be a

:10:25. > :10:27.felony if he lied to the FBI. Stay with us Anthony, because there is

:10:28. > :10:33.another one I want to bring up. We can access all of the newswire is

:10:34. > :10:38.coming to the BBC newsroom coming on the screen. This is one from the BBC

:10:39. > :10:41.World Service. The office of government ethics has called on the

:10:42. > :10:47.White House to investigate a senior presidential adviser. That is

:10:48. > :10:51.Kellyanne Conway, for publicly endorsing the product line of Ivanka

:10:52. > :11:04.Trump. We talked about this a few days ago. How serious is this be

:11:05. > :11:08.Dubuque? -- rebuke. The ethics department is asking for a review of

:11:09. > :11:13.Kellyanne Conway. The way these things are normally handled is

:11:14. > :11:18.administratively, whether they are on suspension with suspended play.

:11:19. > :11:24.It is a rebuke that is handled internally. Kellyanne Conway's

:11:25. > :11:30.supervisor is either the chief of staff or President Trump himself.

:11:31. > :11:33.The question is, is she going to be disciplined by White House, where

:11:34. > :11:44.Donald Trump himself was treating that should not buy products from

:11:45. > :11:51.companies who had dropped his daughter's clothing line. Thank you

:11:52. > :11:56.Anthony. We'll go back to the Trump Administration as we go across the

:11:57. > :11:58.hour. But we must turn to another important story today.

:11:59. > :12:01.The half-brother of North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un has been killed

:12:02. > :12:06.Kim Jong-Nam had been at the international airport

:12:07. > :12:11.and was due to board a flight to China.

:12:12. > :12:14.Local media are reporting he was assassinated by two

:12:15. > :12:21.A British source close to the victim's has told the BBC

:12:22. > :12:26.Here's a family portrait of the Kims.

:12:27. > :12:36.This is former North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il.

:12:37. > :12:38.Beside him is his son Kim Jong-Un who succeeded him.

:12:39. > :12:40.Back right is the older half-brother Kim Jong-Nam.

:12:41. > :12:45.He was passed over in the succession of leadership in 2001.

:12:46. > :12:49.One thing said to have counted against him was that he tried

:12:50. > :13:00.to sneak into Japan to visit Disney World.

:13:01. > :13:04.I have been speaking to Celia Hatton.

:13:05. > :13:12.It is thought he probably posed a threat to Kim Jong-un, the current

:13:13. > :13:17.ruler. It is not that some people looked at Kim Jong-Nam, who had been

:13:18. > :13:21.in exile, who had ties to foreign governments, he was known to be a

:13:22. > :13:26.moderate and critical of the North Korean regime, as maybe someone who,

:13:27. > :13:30.if that regime were to fall, he could be installed into the country,

:13:31. > :13:34.someone the North Korean people would look up to because he is the

:13:35. > :13:40.eldest son, he was the original heir to the regime, so it is thought he

:13:41. > :13:47.posed a threat. He hasn't been to North Korea for quite a while? Quite

:13:48. > :13:51.a few years. It is not thought he has returned since that famous trip

:13:52. > :13:59.when he tried to go to Japan using a fake passport. But it is thought

:14:00. > :14:06.and his father, Kim Jong-Il had deteriorated. It is thought he was

:14:07. > :14:11.too much of a reformer and like capitalism too much after studying

:14:12. > :14:20.in Switzerland. Also, Kim Jong-Il did not like Kim Jong-Nam's Mana. He

:14:21. > :14:27.had children with three different women. Malaysia and please say Kim

:14:28. > :14:32.Jong-Nam was in the shopping concourse, he had gone through the

:14:33. > :14:37.shopping concourse and was waiting to board his flight. He apparently

:14:38. > :14:41.felt dizzy, stumbled towards an airport desk and told the airport

:14:42. > :14:47.employees, someone had covered his face and tried to grab him from

:14:48. > :14:51.behind. Regional media outlets are saying maybe it was Clarke who watch

:14:52. > :14:56.was soaked in something, maybe it was a needle or a spray. Sources

:14:57. > :14:59.tell me that poison was involved in his death.

:15:00. > :15:03.We'll be discussing Hong Kong politics -

:15:04. > :15:05.seven police officers have been convicted of beating

:15:06. > :15:09.a protester during pro-democracy rallies in 2014.

:15:10. > :15:18.Ukip leader Paul Nuttall has admitted that past claims

:15:19. > :15:20.that he lost close personal friends in the Hillsborough

:15:21. > :15:24.He told Liverpool's Radio City he was not responsible

:15:25. > :15:28.for statements on his website in 2011 and 2012 claiming this.

:15:29. > :15:31.He told the station it was "someone he knew" who had died

:15:32. > :15:37.Our political correspondent Chris Mason said.

:15:38. > :15:42.As a 12-year-old boy act travelled to Sheffield that they, as did so

:15:43. > :15:46.many others to watch the team I loved from the upper tier of the

:15:47. > :15:49.lettings Lane ends at the Hillsborough stadium. I watch the

:15:50. > :15:54.events of that day unfold with horror. On the specifics today, he

:15:55. > :15:58.said I was made aware of an article on my website which claimed I had

:15:59. > :16:02.lots people close to me at Hillsborough. This is an article I

:16:03. > :16:06.did not write and did not see prior to it being posted by a member of my

:16:07. > :16:11.stuff. I take responsibility for those things that are put out under

:16:12. > :16:14.my name, but I was genuinely taken aback when this claim was brought to

:16:15. > :16:15.my attention and I am appalled and sorry and impression was given that

:16:16. > :16:24.was not accurate. This is Outside Source live

:16:25. > :16:26.from the BBC newsroom. The White House says

:16:27. > :16:30.that Donald Trump's National Security Adviser -

:16:31. > :16:32.Michael Flynn - discussed nothing illegal in his contacts

:16:33. > :16:34.with the Russian ambassador - but resigned over an erosion

:16:35. > :16:46.of trust. It relates to how he described those

:16:47. > :16:49.conversations to vice president, Mike Pence.

:16:50. > :16:52.A report in Australia has found the country failed to hit almost

:16:53. > :16:54.every target for improving the lives of its indigenous peoples.

:16:55. > :16:57.It highlighted poorer health and higher death rates -

:16:58. > :16:59.and that Aboriginal children are more than twice as likely to die

:17:00. > :17:14.You may remember last year we reported on the ruling in India that

:17:15. > :17:18.obliged every cinema to play the national anthem before a film is

:17:19. > :17:22.screened and the audience should stand up to show respect. But the

:17:23. > :17:28.Indian Supreme Court has ruled audiences do not need to stand.

:17:29. > :17:34.Disney has cut its ties with the highest-paid YouTube Star over

:17:35. > :17:39.allegations of anti-Semitism. The Swedish blogger has released a

:17:40. > :17:43.number of videos recently which include Nazi references are

:17:44. > :17:48.anti-Semitic imagery. The star denies he is anti-Semite and actions

:17:49. > :17:52.were a joke. I want to go to Hong Kong now and convictions that are

:17:53. > :18:03.related to pro-democracy protests in 2014. We have some of the pictures

:18:04. > :18:10.from the archives and you can see how violent some of these protest

:18:11. > :18:13.work. The police using batons and sometimes purposed Bray as well. It

:18:14. > :18:19.revolves around an incident which was caught on film, but a man called

:18:20. > :18:24.Ken Tsang had been handcuffed and dragged away by a group of police

:18:25. > :18:30.officers. Some kicked and punched him, while others kept watch. For

:18:31. > :18:37.more on this I have been speaking to BBC Asia reporter. It is an

:18:38. > :18:40.interesting case because Hong Kong's police normally have a good

:18:41. > :18:44.reputation but people were very angry when they woke up during the

:18:45. > :18:50.protests and saw footage of the police kicking and beating a

:18:51. > :18:55.protester. People were very angry. Our police often prosecuted for

:18:56. > :19:00.these crimes? This sort of case hasn't happened often and lawyers

:19:01. > :19:05.for the police argue that Ken Tsang is not just any ordinary protest.

:19:06. > :19:09.They point out he has been convicted of pouring a smelly liquid on police

:19:10. > :19:13.officers in the protest. Also they argue police were under strain

:19:14. > :19:18.during the occupied protest. Where have we got two the efforts of these

:19:19. > :19:23.pro-democracy activists to change how democracy works in Hong Kong? In

:19:24. > :19:28.terms of practical change and in terms of how the Hong Kong leader

:19:29. > :19:33.will be elected, there hasn't been any change. They are still elected

:19:34. > :19:36.by the committee. There has been a lot of youth interest in politics

:19:37. > :19:41.since then and some have won seats on elections, but some of them have

:19:42. > :19:43.been disqualified for insulting China. It seems it will take them

:19:44. > :19:57.some time for things to change. Toshiba has had a bad day. It has

:19:58. > :20:04.just posted a net loss of $3.4 billion. Inevitably the chairman has

:20:05. > :20:09.resigned. This is what happened to Toshiba's shares since December.

:20:10. > :20:18.Down by over 50%. Rupert Wingfield Hayes is based in Tokyo and is

:20:19. > :20:24.explaining. It goes back to 2006 when Toshiba bought the American

:20:25. > :20:30.company Westinghouse. It was Toshiba betting on a renaissance in nuclear

:20:31. > :20:33.power. That has proved to be a bad bet and is building for nuclear

:20:34. > :20:40.power plants in the United States. It has proved more costly and

:20:41. > :20:48.complicated than the company thought. It has led to the chairman

:20:49. > :20:53.of Toshiba setting down -- stepping down. Although he's keeping his job

:20:54. > :20:58.as a senior executive. The real question is what happens in the next

:20:59. > :21:02.month. It has delayed its announcement of results for another

:21:03. > :21:06.month and it has to find new financing. It has admitted the

:21:07. > :21:10.company is currently worth less at its current share price than its

:21:11. > :21:13.debts. If it is not resolved in the next month, it could be forced to

:21:14. > :21:18.delist from the Tokyo stock market and back a bit of the company being

:21:19. > :21:23.broken up. They are hoping someone will step in, perhaps the Japanese

:21:24. > :21:31.government, to rescue them in the next month. Back to Washington

:21:32. > :21:35.because the new US Treasury Secretary has started his job. One

:21:36. > :21:43.reporter asked him for his view on the chair of the federal reserve,

:21:44. > :21:48.Janet Yellin. There is a tradition of the Secretary of Treasury having

:21:49. > :21:51.ongoing meetings with the head of the Federal Reserve and I look

:21:52. > :21:58.forward to that now I am in office. Thank you very much, it is a

:21:59. > :22:06.pleasure to be here on my first day. Michelle, can you explain how those

:22:07. > :22:11.two crucial jobs interlock, please? It has to do with the health of the

:22:12. > :22:13.economy. The central bank is concerned and has oversight of

:22:14. > :22:18.monetary policy, they control interest rates, which can help

:22:19. > :22:26.support the economy during difficult times, or it can slow the economy

:22:27. > :22:34.down. Removing the punch bowl when the party is going, if the economy

:22:35. > :22:38.starts to overheat. The party Treasury Secretary has control over

:22:39. > :22:43.fiscal policy. We have heard Donald Trump talking about what he would

:22:44. > :22:47.like to do in terms of tax policy, deregulation, spending on

:22:48. > :22:51.infrastructure, measures that would support the economy. Where they have

:22:52. > :22:56.an interesting relationship is, if Donald Trump is successful in his

:22:57. > :23:00.economic policies, many would fall under the Treasury Secretary, then

:23:01. > :23:04.the economy could start to zoom ahead. You could find yourself in a

:23:05. > :23:08.situation where Janet Yellin and those at the Central banks, start to

:23:09. > :23:13.raise interest rates because they are concerned about rising

:23:14. > :23:18.inflation. That is where you could see the two sides, in some ways, a

:23:19. > :23:22.sense of friction between them. In terms of Stephen Miller itching, how

:23:23. > :23:25.much autonomy will he have over the decisions he takes and how much will

:23:26. > :23:32.he simply have to carry out the orders of the man in the White

:23:33. > :23:38.House? The Treasury Secretary has been rolled out today, unusually

:23:39. > :23:41.before the press briefing to talk about economic sanctions on

:23:42. > :23:46.Venezuela, part of a crackdown on drugs. We have seen under President

:23:47. > :23:50.Obama and it seems to be continuing, the use of the Treasury in terms of

:23:51. > :23:55.fighting an economic war using sanctions. Most famously sanctions

:23:56. > :24:00.against Russia, which has been in the news lately. It seems we will

:24:01. > :24:04.continue to see that policy. What was interesting was, during his

:24:05. > :24:09.swearing in, Donald Trump apparently said everything he touches turns to

:24:10. > :24:13.gold. He has a lot of faith in this individual and clearly he is going

:24:14. > :24:16.to be tasked with one of the cornerstones of his economic plan,

:24:17. > :24:24.which is trying to put Donald Trump's agenda when it comes to tax.

:24:25. > :24:27.No pressure. We will see. If you are watching yesterday, we had an

:24:28. > :24:33.interview with Willie Walsh who runs British airways. Next is Theo

:24:34. > :24:37.Leggett speaking to the Ryanair boss, Michael O'Leary. I hope within

:24:38. > :24:40.two years the British people will realise they were misled in voting

:24:41. > :24:45.for Brexit and leaving the single market will be damaging for Britain.

:24:46. > :24:52.I hope they change their minds. Remaining in the open skies probably

:24:53. > :24:55.involves the UK recognising the European Court of Justice and

:24:56. > :24:59.probably recognising the free movement of people, which is another

:25:00. > :25:04.red line issue. From a consumer point of view, if negotiations go

:25:05. > :25:09.badly, what is the worst that could happen? It is not beyond the bounds

:25:10. > :25:13.of possibility, it is unlikely, but not beyond the bounds of possibility

:25:14. > :25:18.there could be no flights between the UK and Europe in the UK walks

:25:19. > :25:25.off a cliff. If the UK leaves the open skies agreement, I don't think

:25:26. > :25:27.there will be a transitional arrangement, because they have to be

:25:28. > :25:32.approved by 27 European Parliament. There could be chaos for a number of

:25:33. > :25:35.weeks and months. It is only when the British government and the

:25:36. > :25:38.British people recognise there is going to be KERS, maybe you will get

:25:39. > :25:47.some kind of common sense prevailing. Beginning the next half

:25:48. > :25:50.of outside source, Tikay Michael Flynn, the man whose resigned as

:25:51. > :25:52.national security adviser and finds himself at the centre of the biggest

:25:53. > :26:13.story in Washington at the moment. Welcome to some of the world stories

:26:14. > :26:19.that have caught my eye over the past day or two. I will start you

:26:20. > :26:20.off down in the southern parts of Africa. This