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:00:11. > :00:12.Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

:00:13. > :00:15.Let's look through some of the main stories here in the BBC Newsroom.

:00:16. > :00:23.This is an historic moment from which there can

:00:24. > :00:28.Britain is leaving the European Union.

:00:29. > :00:31.Formal notice came in the form of this letter - and now two years

:00:32. > :00:37.Our goal is clear - to minimise the cost

:00:38. > :00:45.for the EU citizens, businesses and member states.

:00:46. > :00:47.We'll be taking a look at what issues could be

:00:48. > :00:52.the most contentious for the two negotiating teams.

:00:53. > :00:56.The chairs of the a US Senate inquiry into Russian interference

:00:57. > :00:58.in the US elections say they will speak to over

:00:59. > :01:04.20 people - including the President's son-in-law.

:01:05. > :01:27.Plus, the year's best surfing wipe-outs on OS Sport.

:01:28. > :01:31.This is a man you are going to be seeing a lot of in the next two

:01:32. > :01:33.years. Michel Barnier will lead

:01:34. > :01:35.the EU's negotiating team. He's in Malta today with some

:01:36. > :01:37.of the EU's centre-right leaders. Maltese government spokeman

:01:38. > :01:39.@KurtFarrugia says: "This is Day 1 There are some points that both

:01:40. > :01:59.sides agree they want to sort out In fact, I just saw a tweet come in

:02:00. > :02:05.from one of you watching. Myself and my husband are both Swedish, we have

:02:06. > :02:09.lived in England for 20 years, will we be kicked out? I can't answer

:02:10. > :02:15.that. The status of UK citizens living abroad in the EU and EU

:02:16. > :02:16.citizens living in the UK is certainly a pressing one. Michel

:02:17. > :02:18.Barnier was on Twitter today. "@MichelBarnier #brexit

:02:19. > :02:30.made EU citizens worry Here is a senior figure within the

:02:31. > :02:33.European Parliament, the president, speaking earlier. European

:02:34. > :02:41.Parliament must defence it dozens' rights. This is why we need an

:02:42. > :02:48.agreement -- citizens' rights. We need Risse Brockley and

:02:49. > :02:49.non-discrimination. Not reaching a deal for the right citizens means

:02:50. > :02:52.not reaching a deal at all. As you can imagine, that's just one

:02:53. > :02:55.concern on a long list Others are immigration and borders -

:02:56. > :02:58.particularly between Northern Ireland and the Republic

:02:59. > :03:01.of Ireland, which is an EU member. Here's what Guy Verhofstadt,

:03:02. > :03:21.the European Parliament's Brexit The Brexit agreement needs to fully

:03:22. > :03:24.respect the Good Friday Agreement in all its aspects, and it means also

:03:25. > :03:32.that we will never accept a hard order again between Northern Ireland

:03:33. > :03:34.and the Irish Republic -- a hard border.

:03:35. > :03:38.There's the suggestion Britain will have to pay an exit fee -

:03:39. > :03:40.the argument being that the UK would still be liable

:03:41. > :03:43.for outstanding financial obligations in the EU budget it had

:03:44. > :03:46.already committed to, as well as things like EU pensions.

:03:47. > :03:50.Here's the Wall Street journal's reporter in

:03:51. > :03:53.Brussels Julia Verlaine said - "@JAVerlaine The 60 euros billion

:03:54. > :04:03.question: How big is the #Brexit divorce bill going to be?"

:04:04. > :04:06.We don't know the answer to that yet.

:04:07. > :04:08.And there's the question of what kind of trading relationship

:04:09. > :04:10.the UK and EU countries will have afterwards.

:04:11. > :04:15.Here's Guy Verhofstadt again on that.

:04:16. > :04:25.We hope for fair and constructive negotiations, that means no behind

:04:26. > :04:28.will back. And for example, we made very clear in our resolution that we

:04:29. > :04:37.will never accept for example that behind all back the UK is starting

:04:38. > :04:41.trade negotiations with other countries before the withdrawal,

:04:42. > :04:47.because until the withdrawal, the UK is a full member of the European

:04:48. > :04:53.Union with all of the rights, but also with all of the obligations.

:04:54. > :04:58.Let's being in Ken Brown, who has been covering the story all day --

:04:59. > :05:03.let's bring in Ben Brown. I'm interested in how the EU side of

:05:04. > :05:07.things, having won negotiation on the exit process and another on the

:05:08. > :05:11.future trading relationship. I don't understand how you keep those two

:05:12. > :05:15.apart? Well, that's what they want to do, they really do want to give

:05:16. > :05:19.them apart. In fact, I was talking to one member of the European

:05:20. > :05:22.Parliament who was saying, the thing with the British is, it's like

:05:23. > :05:29.walking into a restaurant and having all of your food together at the

:05:30. > :05:33.same time, all three York -- courses. Where is the EU want to do

:05:34. > :05:38.things separate and have it has three courses, so you start off with

:05:39. > :05:42.the financial deal on the divorce settlement, whether it is 60 billion

:05:43. > :05:45.euros or whatever, you start with that and then the other exit

:05:46. > :05:50.arrangements and the third course, if you like, is the trade deal.

:05:51. > :05:53.That's the way the EU want to negotiate it, and they are going to

:05:54. > :05:57.be firm on this. Whereas the British want to do it all together. And then

:05:58. > :06:01.they will be pleased they are finally getting on with this. I was

:06:02. > :06:05.there a few days after the Brexit vote and there was an impatience to

:06:06. > :06:10.get on with it. But if we pause, this is a huge blow to the European

:06:11. > :06:15.Union, isn't it? It really is. I think psychologically the European

:06:16. > :06:18.Union, if you think about it, is only ever growing, in large, had new

:06:19. > :06:23.members, new countries, countries really knocking on the door saying,

:06:24. > :06:28.please, let us in, we want to be part of your club. Suddenly today we

:06:29. > :06:33.have got British and the British permanent representative knocking on

:06:34. > :06:38.Donald Tusk's door and saying, actually, we want to leave your club

:06:39. > :06:41.and not be part of it any more. That is a blow psychologically. Then we

:06:42. > :06:45.have got the fact that Britain is a net contributor to the EU

:06:46. > :06:49.financially. And the EU, everybody here says it, is going to be much

:06:50. > :06:53.the poorer financially after the United Kingdom's withdrawal,

:06:54. > :06:57.billions of euros shorter. And other countries are going to have to make

:06:58. > :07:03.up that shortfall, that is another concern for them. Thank you, Ben

:07:04. > :07:04.Brown. Live with us from Brussels, just outside the European Commission

:07:05. > :07:09.building. Don't forget, while the EU

:07:10. > :07:11.will negotiate as one - whatever deal is reached,

:07:12. > :07:13.it'll need to be approved by the parliaments of

:07:14. > :07:15.the 27 remaining members. Arguably the most powerful

:07:16. > :07:21.of those is Germany. Here's the front page of Die Welt,

:07:22. > :07:38.a German newspaper, today: Very good, he says the Germans don't

:07:39. > :07:46.have a sense of humour?! Jenny Hill has been saying what it wants from

:07:47. > :07:51.Brexit. It has been to shore up the future of the remaining 27. Angela

:07:52. > :07:55.Merkel said that would be her lead during the talks. She also

:07:56. > :08:01.interestingly stress the need to protect EU citizens living in the

:08:02. > :08:05.UK. Germany and the UK for decades have been significant political and

:08:06. > :08:11.economic allies. Within the EU. Perhaps it is no wonder that today

:08:12. > :08:14.the German Foreign Minister appealed, let's try to stay friends,

:08:15. > :08:18.although he did also acknowledged that these talks are going to be

:08:19. > :08:22.very tough and there may very well be ill will on both sides. What of

:08:23. > :08:29.course really ties Germany and the UK together is business. The UK is

:08:30. > :08:34.Germany's fifth most important trading partner and there is a lot

:08:35. > :08:38.of concern about how that will be affected by Brexit. Today we heard

:08:39. > :08:43.from the Finance Ministry spokesman saying, the timetable for these

:08:44. > :08:46.talks is, and I quote, down narrow. He also talked about the uncertainty

:08:47. > :08:52.that this is creating with the business and economic environment

:08:53. > :08:56.as, poison. A lot of concern bird too. We are hearing a lot from, new

:08:57. > :09:03.factories who are keen to try and protect their deals with the UK, --

:09:04. > :09:08.from car manufacturers. There is concern that the EU must be

:09:09. > :09:11.protected first and foremost. If Germany is very influential, so is

:09:12. > :09:15.France as well. And of course there is an election coming up in France

:09:16. > :09:19.which will add an extra dimension. This is the front page of the

:09:20. > :09:24.Liberation newspaper saying, we will miss you, and in a smaller front, or

:09:25. > :09:27.not. Brexit is not the top story in France, the presidential election

:09:28. > :09:31.is, we have the first round towards the end of April, and whoever wins

:09:32. > :09:38.that will have a huge impact on how the French approach Brexit. Lucy

:09:39. > :09:44.Williamson is embarrassed. The two top contenders at the moment -- is

:09:45. > :09:50.in Paris. Macron is committed to the EU, liberal and centrist. His main

:09:51. > :09:54.rival is Marine Le Pen, far right and Front Nationale. She has

:09:55. > :09:59.promised to pull France out of the euro and hold its own referendum

:10:00. > :10:02.perhaps. Two very different stances. Emmanuel Macron made it clear that

:10:03. > :10:07.as far as he is concerned there will be no cherry picking on his watch.

:10:08. > :10:11.If he is in the Elysee Palace when Britain is trying to negotiate, they

:10:12. > :10:16.will find quite a tough cookie to deal with. He said that once Britain

:10:17. > :10:20.leaves the EU it will become a bit like the island of Guernsey, simply

:10:21. > :10:25.a trading post on Europe's borders. He is not going to be an easy

:10:26. > :10:28.customer to deal with. When it comes to public opinion here in France and

:10:29. > :10:33.political opinion, most of it or much of it seems to be with Emmanuel

:10:34. > :10:38.Macron. A lot of the candidates running in this election say they

:10:39. > :10:41.will make tough demands of Britain, and there are good reasons for that.

:10:42. > :10:48.There are many here who say they just don't want to encourage the

:10:49. > :10:53.kind of exit support or encourage people here to say that they would

:10:54. > :10:57.like to leave the EU as well. Of course that is exactly what Marine

:10:58. > :11:01.Le Pen does want to do. If it is her Britain ends up dealing with they

:11:02. > :11:05.will find a much softer negotiating partner, whatever national interest

:11:06. > :11:06.she is looking out for she is also going to want to make Brexit look as

:11:07. > :11:15.attractive as possible. Let's take a breather from Brexit

:11:16. > :11:16.and bring you some sports news. Some very happy Brazilian players are

:11:17. > :11:22.smiling. Brazil have become the first nation

:11:23. > :11:24.to qualify for next year's With four games to go -

:11:25. > :11:29.Brazil are top of the South American qualifying table -

:11:30. > :11:36.and they can't finish outside Columbia, Uruguay and Chile are in

:11:37. > :11:38.the top four automatic qualification places.

:11:39. > :11:41.You'll notice in fifth - it's Argentina.

:11:42. > :11:47.That is a potential problem for the Argentinians. Let's talk to Tulsen

:11:48. > :11:51.Tollett about this. I have not have a chance to look at this Brazilian

:11:52. > :11:55.team in detail. They didn't have a good last World Cup. I assume they

:11:56. > :11:59.have rebuilt since then? They certainly have. A new manager took

:12:00. > :12:03.over from Luiz Felipe Scholari. They were beaten 7-1 in the semifinal by

:12:04. > :12:08.Germany and then they lost to the Netherlands in the third and fourth

:12:09. > :12:11.play-off match. The manager was sacked after last year's Copa

:12:12. > :12:17.America in the emerging states. To tow then took over, they have won

:12:18. > :12:21.eight in a row and they are now points clear. -- nine points clear.

:12:22. > :12:26.Coutinho of local picked up the first and then two goals coming in

:12:27. > :12:29.the second half. -- of Liverpool. Neymar captained the team in the

:12:30. > :12:34.evening, the Barcelona forward picking up that. He missed the

:12:35. > :12:36.penalty as well. It was the Real Madrid vendor who picked up the

:12:37. > :12:42.third to send them nine points clear at the top. -- defender. This comes

:12:43. > :12:52.about because of the route's surprise 2-1 win over Uruguay. --

:12:53. > :12:56.per room's. For me it is down to Tito, the manager, who took over

:12:57. > :13:02.last June, it is brilliant. Tulsen, thank you.

:13:03. > :13:05.Madeira is a small Portuguese island off the coast of Morocco.

:13:06. > :13:07.It's where Christiano Ronaldo grew up.

:13:08. > :13:11.Well, the airport has been renamed in his honour.

:13:12. > :13:14.As was the Portuguese President and Prime Minister.

:13:15. > :13:17.Impressive guest list for a change in an airport's name.

:13:18. > :13:21.A bronze bust of Ronaldo which has been unveiled out

:13:22. > :13:26.It's been the butt of countless jokes -

:13:27. > :13:29.the main point being it doesn't look like him.

:13:30. > :13:43.You can compare and contrast. Ronaldo and the bust. I will leave

:13:44. > :13:45.you to decide what you think about that!

:13:46. > :13:47.The World Surf League has released its contenders

:13:48. > :13:52.They can all be filed under completely terrifying.

:13:53. > :14:04.He comes unstuck at the top of that wave. All of these guys practice

:14:05. > :14:06.holding their breath because they get help down for several minutes as

:14:07. > :14:10.well as obviously having huge volumes of water.

:14:11. > :14:13.Great Britain's Tom Lowe in Halfmoon Bay in California.

:14:14. > :14:23.Nathan Florence, off the Tasmanian coast in Australia.

:14:24. > :14:28.Some of these waves are up to 23 metres high.

:14:29. > :14:31.It's unimaginable even thinking about doing this, to be honest.

:14:32. > :14:44.This has the biggest waves to be served anywhere in the world, you

:14:45. > :14:45.get pulled right up and over the top of the lid.

:14:46. > :14:54.He is probably thinking of racking up millions of YouTube hits.

:14:55. > :14:57.The winner of wipe-out of the year takes home $5000.

:14:58. > :15:00.The person that filmed it gets $2000.

:15:01. > :15:07.The winner is announced in California next month.

:15:08. > :15:12.We might play it to you when we get the result. In a minute we

:15:13. > :15:18.live in Washington to talk to Anthony Zurcher about the latest in

:15:19. > :15:28.the investigations of the Russian interference in the US elections.

:15:29. > :15:31.A minute's silence has been held on Westminster Bridge to mark

:15:32. > :15:33.the moment Khalid Masood began his terror attack last week.

:15:34. > :15:42.The family of the American victim, Kurt Cochran,

:15:43. > :15:52.They mourned his loss together at the place where he was hit

:15:53. > :15:57.Kurt Cochran was the first to be hit when the vehicle

:15:58. > :16:08.Leslie Rhodes was also killed on the bridge,

:16:09. > :16:11.The final victim was PC Keith Palmer.

:16:12. > :16:16.He died despite the desperate efforts to save him.

:16:17. > :16:20.Earlier, at exactly 2:40pm, the moment the attack began a week

:16:21. > :16:22.ago, the family joined others on the bridge whose lives had

:16:23. > :16:38.They included Andrei Burnaz from Romania, who suffered a broken foot

:16:39. > :16:44.in the attack. His girlfriend Andreea Cristea was hit by the car

:16:45. > :16:45.and thrown from the bridge. She remains in hospital in a critical

:16:46. > :16:49.but stable conditions. Doctors, nurses and ambulance crews

:16:50. > :16:51.were also in Westminster, with schoolchildren

:16:52. > :16:53.and representatives They stopped in silence

:16:54. > :17:01.and solidarity. The memories of last week will have

:17:02. > :17:04.been particularly raw for A group who had lost

:17:05. > :17:07.a one of their own. They recalled the sacrifice

:17:08. > :17:11.of PC Keith Palmer. This afternoon is about remembering

:17:12. > :17:16.the victims of last week's events. Our thoughts and prayers go out

:17:17. > :17:18.to everyone who was affected It was a moment of calm

:17:19. > :17:26.after the chaos here It was also a united

:17:27. > :17:30.front against the horror Today, inquests opened into

:17:31. > :17:37.the deaths of three of those killed. It was also announced there would be

:17:38. > :17:40.two separate reviews of security But this afternoon was about an act

:17:41. > :17:46.of remembrance, a chance Daniela Relph, BBC News, Westminster

:17:47. > :18:10.Bridge. I'm Ros Atkins, thanks for joining

:18:11. > :18:16.me an Outside Source. Our lead story is Britain has

:18:17. > :18:18.formally notified the EU Theresa May called it an historic

:18:19. > :18:22.moment from which there I want to return to

:18:23. > :18:25.the investigations into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 US

:18:26. > :18:28.election - and President Trump's allegation that Barack Obama

:18:29. > :18:36.had him wiretapped. That's become more controversial

:18:37. > :18:38.because this man, Devin Nunes - who oversees the House

:18:39. > :18:40.of Representatives investigations - is accused of inappropriately

:18:41. > :18:42.assisting the White House - The new development

:18:43. > :18:49.involves these two men. They are are running

:18:50. > :18:50.their own separate investigation for the Senate -

:18:51. > :18:52.the upper house. Here's some of what

:18:53. > :19:05.they said today. The mission of the Committee is to

:19:06. > :19:09.look at any campaign contacts from either with Russian government,

:19:10. > :19:15.Russian government officials that might have influenced in anyway,

:19:16. > :19:20.shape or form the election process. Let's bring in Anthony Zurcher. I'm

:19:21. > :19:22.confused, how can this and House of Representatives need their own

:19:23. > :19:28.apparently quite similar investigations? Well, that is the

:19:29. > :19:31.way Congress works, they are intelligent committees in both

:19:32. > :19:35.chambers of Congress, people who want to be involved in both chambers

:19:36. > :19:37.of Congress so they are going to follow their own tracks. With all

:19:38. > :19:42.the attention focused on to the House intelligence committee it is

:19:43. > :19:49.easy to forget that the intelligence committee has been grinding away

:19:50. > :19:54.simple the beginning of this, rational term. Staffers are poring

:19:55. > :19:57.over thousands of pages and planning on calling 20 witnesses to be

:19:58. > :20:04.interviewed privately. They will possibly have their own public

:20:05. > :20:07.hearings with James Comey, FBI director, and will reach their own

:20:08. > :20:13.conclusions. Is this a plate by the Senate to get more responsibility

:20:14. > :20:17.against the other committee? The best that the house committee has

:20:18. > :20:24.developed into with the allegations around Nunez coordinating with the

:20:25. > :20:28.Trump White House and Adam Schiff, the Democrat, calling for an

:20:29. > :20:32.independent investigation, it is logical that the Senate intelligence

:20:33. > :20:36.committee tried to step in and seem like the big boys in this equation.

:20:37. > :20:39.Generally the Senate is last partisan than the House of

:20:40. > :20:44.Representatives. I think they have made a conscious effort to downplay

:20:45. > :20:47.partisanship today, to be seen, operating and to be working together

:20:48. > :20:49.in order to reach some kind of conclusions. -- to be seen,

:20:50. > :20:52.operating. Now, I just want to turn

:20:53. > :20:55.to the Congress and a vote on Tuesday that repeals a law

:20:56. > :20:59.meaning US internet service Yesterday Donald Trump's

:21:00. > :21:00.reversed US policies aimed Also this week, China has

:21:01. > :21:03.reiterated its commitment Here's a Chinese spokesman

:21:04. > :21:08.on the obligations TRANSLATION: No matter how

:21:09. > :21:12.other countries policies as a responsible, large developing

:21:13. > :21:18.country, China's resolve, aims and policy moves in dealing

:21:19. > :21:21.with climate change will not change. We are willing to work

:21:22. > :21:23.with the international community to strengthen dialogue

:21:24. > :21:25.and cooperation, to join hands to promote the process of tackling

:21:26. > :21:28.climate change to jointly promote green, low carbon sustainable

:21:29. > :21:30.development for the whole world, to create an even better future

:21:31. > :21:43.for the next generation. In the US there are big divisions

:21:44. > :21:46.between science and politics. The scientific community is trying to

:21:47. > :21:47.find new ways to break political barriers and reach the American

:21:48. > :22:00.public. Scientists have made a new discovery

:22:01. > :22:06.that you can ignore politics but politics won't ignore you. We're

:22:07. > :22:09.going to cancel the Paris climate agreement and stop all payments of

:22:10. > :22:20.the United States tax dollars to UN global programmes. The public really

:22:21. > :22:23.do feel like their worldviews and mindsets are not being reflected in

:22:24. > :22:26.the science that has been put out there. Instead of changing the world

:22:27. > :22:31.with your mindset, they are doubting the fact. Conservative voters

:22:32. > :22:35.particularly concerned scientists, for that group trust in scientific

:22:36. > :22:41.research is actually on a 40 year low. How can scientists change that?

:22:42. > :22:44.I would love to see 20% of Congress a double of scientists and

:22:45. > :22:48.engineers, I think we would have a very different approach to governing

:22:49. > :22:52.if we didn't have that -- made up of. Rather than waiting for a seat

:22:53. > :22:57.at the table, they are going after it. A political action committee was

:22:58. > :23:00.started to train scientists to run for office. It can be a challenge

:23:01. > :23:04.for scientists to communicate with the general public. We are working

:23:05. > :23:14.with our candidates to help facilitate that as well. But how

:23:15. > :23:17.many would actually be interested? It turns out, a lot. 3000 have

:23:18. > :23:19.already signed up for training. We have a lot of people in Congress

:23:20. > :23:21.right now. The government went straight into public policy with no

:23:22. > :23:25.expertise into any area whatsoever. I think we need more politicians

:23:26. > :23:30.that go off on a track when they need and expertise in an area,

:23:31. > :23:32.whether it is medicine, science, agriculture, anything, and then

:23:33. > :23:37.comment with that knowledge and be able to make sound public policy.

:23:38. > :23:41.That's the long game. But to put science at the centre of political

:23:42. > :23:54.conversation now, they are taking a page from the women's march. As a

:23:55. > :23:56.scientist and knowing a lot of scientists, it is embarrassing it

:23:57. > :23:59.took so long for people to mobilise. I think things got more dramatic in

:24:00. > :24:01.the last month. Caroline turned to Twitter to organise a march for

:24:02. > :24:04.science in April. In just four hours, ten followers turned into

:24:05. > :24:08.30,000, and now over 220 cities are planning marches of their own.

:24:09. > :24:11.Obviously it would be great if it was an enormous crowd. But what is

:24:12. > :24:15.most important is that it is not just about kind of the politicians

:24:16. > :24:18.or the representative seeing it, it is about the people who are actually

:24:19. > :24:22.doing the march and the idea that he was around by people who kind of

:24:23. > :24:29.share this concern about the lack of evidence -based policy but also just

:24:30. > :24:33.this passion for science. We have just got a tweet from Apple, who is

:24:34. > :24:38.watching on BBC News channel in the UK. Now that Article 50 has been

:24:39. > :24:43.started, can you go back to using feet instead of metres when you've

:24:44. > :24:46.described the waves in your surfing reports! These negotiations for

:24:47. > :24:50.Brexit of early important, but whether we use feet or metres will

:24:51. > :24:54.just be decided by those of us here at the BBC regardless of whether the

:24:55. > :24:59.UK is in the European Union or not. Thanks for all your questions. I

:25:00. > :25:02.will be back tomorrow at the same time. See you then. Bye-bye.