:00:10. > :00:15.Hello. This is Outside Source. President Putin has dismissed
:00:16. > :00:21.allegations of Russian meddling in the US election.
:00:22. > :00:25.TRANSLATION: These are rumours used in the internal political struggle
:00:26. > :00:29.in the US. At a meeting with the German Chancellor, Ukraine, Syria
:00:30. > :00:32.and the treatment of homosexuals were on the agenda. We'll discuss
:00:33. > :00:35.all that with the BBC Russian service.
:00:36. > :00:39.After Germany, the US was next on the list. We're live in Washington
:00:40. > :00:42.to find out what was said on a call between Vladimir Putin and Donald
:00:43. > :00:47.Trump. Theresa May has dismissed reports of a clash between the
:00:48. > :00:50.European Commission president but says she'll play hard ball during
:00:51. > :01:00.Brexit talks. I was described by one of my colleagues as a Plooty
:01:01. > :01:04.difficult woman. With days to go before the final round of the French
:01:05. > :01:05.election, Marine Le Pen delivers a speech that sounds a little
:01:06. > :01:16.familiar. We're going to Paris to discuss that
:01:17. > :01:31.and we'll have many more stories right here on outside source.
:01:32. > :01:38.You're very welcome to the programme. Let us begin with
:01:39. > :01:47.relations between Europe and Russia. They have been rough. This meeting
:01:48. > :01:55.between German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, and Vladimir Putin were
:01:56. > :01:58.meant to smooth things over. Sanctions were brought up and the
:01:59. > :02:02.treatment of homosexuals in Chechnya. The Russian president
:02:03. > :02:05.reaffirmed support for the Syrian president and denied interfearing
:02:06. > :02:09.with the US election. Let's have a listen.
:02:10. > :02:12.TRANSLATION: We need to do more in order to untangle the situation.
:02:13. > :02:15.Unfortunately, we are not making much headway here. I think the
:02:16. > :02:21.central point is that we keep returning to the beginning of the
:02:22. > :02:24.Minsk agreement which stated we need a ceasefire. Ensuing from the
:02:25. > :02:29.ceasefire the relevant political steps would follow. In the meantime,
:02:30. > :02:34.we have started a parallel political process. The ceasefire is essential.
:02:35. > :02:40.Of course, the questions surrounding the swap of prisoners and such
:02:41. > :02:45.things. But I pointed out again how important the right to demonstrate
:02:46. > :02:48.is in a civil society. The importance of humanitarian
:02:49. > :02:52.organisations and I also mentioned again that we have received very
:02:53. > :02:56.negative reports about the way homosexuals are treated in Chechnya.
:02:57. > :03:04.I asked President Putin to use his influence in order to safeguard the
:03:05. > :03:06.rights of minorities. TRANSLATION: We're convinced that
:03:07. > :03:11.the resolution of the Syrian conflict can only be found through
:03:12. > :03:14.peaceful means and only under the auspices of the United Nations. The
:03:15. > :03:21.Russian side has pointed out the need to carry out a full and
:03:22. > :03:28.comprehensive investigation of the April 4 incidents. We resolutely
:03:29. > :03:31.condemn the use of chemical weapons in any form. Those responsible for
:03:32. > :03:35.the deaths of innocent civilians must be found and punished, but it
:03:36. > :03:39.should be done after a thorough and unbiassed investigation. We never
:03:40. > :03:44.interfere into the political life and political process in other
:03:45. > :03:47.countries and we would very much like that nobody interfeared into
:03:48. > :03:54.our political life and into the political life in Russia. You've
:03:55. > :03:59.referred to the US example, which is not confirmed by anything or anyone,
:04:00. > :04:07.these are just rumours used in the internal political struggle in the
:04:08. > :04:11.US. I spoke to our BBC Russia correspondent and asked what was
:04:12. > :04:18.that relationship between Mrs Merkel and Mr Putin like. Well, it was
:04:19. > :04:24.quite warm from the beginning and it's very easy to explain. They have
:04:25. > :04:32.two languages in common, Russian and German. They both spend a lot of
:04:33. > :04:37.time in Eastern Berlin, their background of course. I remember the
:04:38. > :04:41.summit ten years back, when they held a meeting in Siberia, Putin and
:04:42. > :04:45.Merkel, it was very warm. They even left to the airport in the same car.
:04:46. > :04:52.Very warm in sigh beerament I like that. Very warm if Siberia, yeah.
:04:53. > :04:56.But then, it could be described their relations during all the years
:04:57. > :05:02.could be described more like a business than a friendship. Germany
:05:03. > :05:12.depends on Russian gas. They buy almost one third depends on Russian
:05:13. > :05:15.natural gas. Especially after Fukushima when Merkel initiated the
:05:16. > :05:22.closing of the old Nuclear Power Stations. In Russia, importing from
:05:23. > :05:25.Germany as well. So it is a very solid ground for developing the
:05:26. > :05:29.relations now. An important one. We were watching a little bit there, it
:05:30. > :05:34.was Mrs Merkel that brought up Russian meddling in elections. What
:05:35. > :05:44.do you think Mr Putin made of that? It's very hard to predict what Mr
:05:45. > :05:48.Putin would do, but it also very unlikely that he would recognise any
:05:49. > :05:54.influence to any political process and as he said, he denies it, all
:05:55. > :06:01.the time. We are unlikely will hear that yeah, we actually influenced
:06:02. > :06:10.the elections in the US, even if so. Yeah, it's really hard to predict,
:06:11. > :06:18.but Merkel she said that she's not afraid of Russian influence, but
:06:19. > :06:21.still she pointed out that it might be the disinformation, the cyber
:06:22. > :06:25.attacks, and in that case they will act appropriately. One other issue
:06:26. > :06:30.that came up, thank you for that, is Chechnya. And Mrs Merkel took this
:06:31. > :06:38.time to talk about homosexuality there. Yes, there was a big scandal
:06:39. > :06:46.raised up in Russian media, in the Russian oppositional media about a
:06:47. > :06:51.month ago. They published materials about Chechen gays, which fled from
:06:52. > :06:58.Russia because of torturing, as they said and pressuring and even killing
:06:59. > :07:02.people by some government forces in Chechnya. The leader of Chechnya
:07:03. > :07:10.already has denied everything, saying there is no evidence Putin
:07:11. > :07:16.said almost the same. Actually, he actually didn't comment on this
:07:17. > :07:20.during, after this meeting. So soon after Mr Putin's meeting with the
:07:21. > :07:25.Chancellor he was due to hold a prearranged phone call with Donald
:07:26. > :07:29.Trump. Watching this for us is our correspondent in Washington DC. Hi
:07:30. > :07:33.Anthony, good to have you back with us. What has been said, what is the
:07:34. > :07:37.Kremlin or White House saying? This is the third time that Donald Trump
:07:38. > :07:42.and Vladimir Putin have had a conversation since Donald Trump was
:07:43. > :07:47.elected last year. They spoke first about Syria and cooperating to
:07:48. > :07:50.ensure peace in Syria and create safe areas for Syrian refugees and
:07:51. > :07:55.their citizens, also the United States pledged to send a
:07:56. > :08:02.representative to ongoing ceasefire negotiations in Kazakhstan. They
:08:03. > :08:05.talked about reducing terrorism, larger terrorism in the Middle East
:08:06. > :08:11.and addressing what they called a serious problem in North Korea.
:08:12. > :08:16.Something interesting that you would note from the two press releases,
:08:17. > :08:20.was that the Russians talked about Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin
:08:21. > :08:23.having a face-to-face meeting, their first one of Trump's presidency in
:08:24. > :08:27.Germany in July. The White House release made no mention about that.
:08:28. > :08:31.But both releases said that it was a friendly call and they pledged to
:08:32. > :08:35.cooperate more closely. This just comes to my mind as you talk about
:08:36. > :08:39.it, is it actually a phone call or would it be like face time or Skype?
:08:40. > :08:45.Would they be looking at one another? Today? Well, I believe it
:08:46. > :08:49.was a phone call over the line. I don't think Donald Trump has Skyped
:08:50. > :08:53.ever. I'm going out on a limb. I'd probably say he's in the a Skype
:08:54. > :08:57.kind of guy. That just came to my mind. Let me get into a couple of
:08:58. > :09:01.the other issues as well, which is some of the quotes that have been
:09:02. > :09:09.there, Mr Trump has given a number of interviews in the past 48 hours.
:09:10. > :09:13.Kim Jong Un, he says he would meet with him if the timing was right. He
:09:14. > :09:17.talked about breaking up Wall Street banks, a gas tax, that he would be
:09:18. > :09:20.ready to move on. It a lot of people are wondering, are these concrete
:09:21. > :09:27.changes in White House policy or should they be taken more with a
:09:28. > :09:31.grain of salt? When you talk to members of Congress, in Donald
:09:32. > :09:33.Trump's own party about these policies coming out and whether
:09:34. > :09:37.Donald Trump means them or not, they don't know. I don't think anyone
:09:38. > :09:42.really knows what's going to be pursued and what's not. That
:09:43. > :09:46.actually makes it hard for the rest of Donald Trump's administration and
:09:47. > :09:49.law makers in Congress to be able to carry the water for him. They don't
:09:50. > :09:53.know what he's serious about. He floated the idea of a gas tax as you
:09:54. > :09:56.mention, no-one's talked about a gas tax before. That's something the
:09:57. > :09:59.Democrats might be more interested in. When they asked Democrats about
:10:00. > :10:03.it, they shrugged and said they hadn't heard anything beyond that. I
:10:04. > :10:08.think with the Trump administration, as we are learning, as with Donald
:10:09. > :10:12.Trump campaign, is that he often floats ideas, says things that have
:10:13. > :10:15.little preparation before them and the real way to tell whether
:10:16. > :10:19.something is significant, if it's lasting, if it's actually going to
:10:20. > :10:23.translate into policy is to look at the way the machinery of the
:10:24. > :10:25.administration is moving, listen to what other administration officials
:10:26. > :10:30.are saying and whether they're backing it up and see if the story
:10:31. > :10:35.has legs beyond one day. Otherwise, this is just life in the Trump
:10:36. > :10:40.reality. Still smiling. Thanks very much. Right, let's move on to other
:10:41. > :10:44.politicians. The leaked accounts of a Downing Street dinner to which
:10:45. > :10:47.European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, was invited
:10:48. > :10:50.last week are worth reading in full. To save you the trouble, we have
:10:51. > :10:56.boiled it down to one schaeng. -- exchange. Theresa May said she
:10:57. > :11:00.wanted Brexit to be a success. Mr Juncker replied, "Brexit cannot be a
:11:01. > :11:04.success." Over the weekend the prm dismissed this story as just
:11:05. > :11:13.Brussels gossip. This afternoon in a BBC interview, she was a little bit
:11:14. > :11:17.more forth coming. Who wouldn't like a day by the
:11:18. > :11:23.Cornish coast? Who could be coming to town? We believe it's that nice
:11:24. > :11:28.Theresa May. Is that correct or not correct? Strong and stable Theresa.
:11:29. > :11:32.I'm not very keen. In fact I'm very unkeen. I hope she comes sooner
:11:33. > :11:37.rather than later. Yeah, I've got a bus to catch. The Number Ten suits,
:11:38. > :11:42.police by the fishing boats, gave the game away Thank you, nice to see
:11:43. > :11:46.you. Morning. Morning. A serene scene compared to brutal briefings
:11:47. > :11:48.from Brussels. Thank you, nice to see you.
:11:49. > :11:51.During the Conservative Party leadership campaign I was described
:11:52. > :11:55.by one of my colleagues as a bloody difficult woman. And I setted at the
:11:56. > :11:58.time, the next person -- I said at the time the next person to find
:11:59. > :12:01.that out would be Jean-Claude Juncker. Did he over the weekend?
:12:02. > :12:04.These are going to be tough negotiations as we go ahead. I'm
:12:05. > :12:09.asking the British people to give me a mandate. Did Jean-Claude Juncker
:12:10. > :12:13.say to you, "Brexit cannot be a success." I don't, look, I don't'
:12:14. > :12:16.call the account that has been given of the meeting that took place. I
:12:17. > :12:20.think a lot of this is Brussels gossip. It's a dinner in London and
:12:21. > :12:25.you were there. It's not Brussels gossip. Either he said it to you or
:12:26. > :12:29.he did not. The account that I have seen, a lot of that is Brussels
:12:30. > :12:32.gossip. But what is important is that there is a key question for
:12:33. > :12:36.people when they come to this election. There will be 27 other EU
:12:37. > :12:39.countries on one side of the table, and who is going to be there
:12:40. > :12:44.standing up for the UK? It's either going to be me or Jeremy Corbyn You
:12:45. > :12:48.wanted an early deal on EU citizens and Brits abroad. They said no. You
:12:49. > :12:51.wanted parallel talks about our divorce deal and trade at the same
:12:52. > :12:55.time. They said no. That doesn't inspire confidence, does? I've
:12:56. > :12:58.always said there are complexities to this issue and lots of details
:12:59. > :13:04.that will need to be agreed. Brexit is not the only issue. Back her on
:13:05. > :13:10.Brexit or not, for some voters it's just not enough. The food banks are
:13:11. > :13:14.packed. There's problems with homelessness, house prices. Polite
:13:15. > :13:20.maybe, but her first sharp encounter this campaign. Solely focussing on
:13:21. > :13:24.Brexit. No, it's not. No, I know it isn't, but there's an impression
:13:25. > :13:28.Brexit has huge opportunities for us. It doesn't help that Boris
:13:29. > :13:33.Johnson says it's about selling Haggas to the Americans. Thank you.
:13:34. > :13:38.Her team says she loves talking to voters. What did that one make of
:13:39. > :13:41.her? The sauce Tea Party cuts have been -- austerity cuts have been
:13:42. > :13:45.damaging. We need a strong economy. I don't believe Brexit will take us
:13:46. > :13:48.into a strong economy. I've never felt in my adult life so depressed
:13:49. > :13:53.about the state of this country, I really haven't. Neither do I. Those
:13:54. > :13:56.two are angry. They had a lot to say. I know they did. But it's too
:13:57. > :14:02.late to discuss that now. We're already going out. Why fight that?
:14:03. > :14:05.Brexit is the back drop to this election, the Prime Minister wants
:14:06. > :14:09.to use the circumstances to build her authority. Whether here or
:14:10. > :14:13.anywhere else, voters will make it absolutely plain it's not the only
:14:14. > :14:19.thing that will make up their mind. As that voter said to you, in that
:14:20. > :14:25.Cornish village, this shouldn't all be about Brexit. She was worried it
:14:26. > :14:29.is. We've started to site or plan -- started to set out our plan for a
:14:30. > :14:33.stronger Britain. This is the most important election the country has
:14:34. > :14:35.faced in my lifetime. We have an historic opportunity. It's an
:14:36. > :14:39.important moment of chaenk for this country. Doesn't that sound strange
:14:40. > :14:42.for someone who was Home Secretary for six years in the previous
:14:43. > :14:46.Government? I was very proud to have served in David Cameron's Cabinet
:14:47. > :14:50.for six years as Home Secretary. But I'm a different person. I'm my own
:14:51. > :14:53.person. And we're in a different set of circumstances. I want to look
:14:54. > :14:57.ahead to the long-term challenges that this country faces. Almost
:14:58. > :15:02.exactly a year ago, Prime Minister, I asked you if you thought you would
:15:03. > :15:05.want to be leader of the country. You laughed it off saying there
:15:06. > :15:10.wasn't a vacancy. We know what's happened since then. Many MPs and
:15:11. > :15:13.ministers believe this could be a transformational election in terms
:15:14. > :15:18.of the Tories taking back swathes of the country. You can't laugh that
:15:19. > :15:21.off. You read the polls too. You must believe that's in your sights.
:15:22. > :15:26.I'm very clear. I have always throughout my political career never
:15:27. > :15:29.predicted election results. I've always said polls come out that are
:15:30. > :15:33.good, polls come out that are bad. The only poll that counts is the one
:15:34. > :15:37.that takes place on June 8. If you're located will you serve the
:15:38. > :15:41.full term until 2022? I have no intention of doing anything other
:15:42. > :15:47.than serving the full term until 2022 because this is an important
:15:48. > :15:51.time for our country. This so-called bloody difficult woman wants to stay
:15:52. > :15:53.on as your Prime Minister. Persuading all of you, that might be
:15:54. > :16:04.difficult too. Thank you very much.
:16:05. > :16:10.Stay with us on Outside Source. Still to come - the United CEO has
:16:11. > :16:18.appeared before law makers and apologised for the treatment of a
:16:19. > :16:21.passenger last month. The Shadow Home Secretary, Diane
:16:22. > :16:25.Abbott has denied her credibility is in question after getting her sums
:16:26. > :16:29.wrong. She said she planned to put an extra 10,000 police officers on
:16:30. > :16:36.the streets, which would cost ?300,000 rather than ?300 million.
:16:37. > :16:39.Pretty bad day for Diane Abbott. She has a real struggle today with. This
:16:40. > :16:45.the key claim that she was making was that we have lost 20,000 police
:16:46. > :16:52.officers since 2010. Now in 2010 we got to an all-time high in police
:16:53. > :16:55.numbers, about 144,000 officers. In 2011, under the coalition
:16:56. > :16:59.Government, that began to fall away, as police budgets were cut. Police
:17:00. > :17:03.numbers have come down by almost 20,000. It's about 19,000 to be
:17:04. > :17:07.exact. The bigger trend is that police numbers have been rising
:17:08. > :17:12.consistently over the long-term. Since about 1980, the trend has
:17:13. > :17:13.always been going up. That decline since 2010, has been quite
:17:14. > :17:30.significant. That's about 13%. This is Outside Source, live from
:17:31. > :17:33.the BBC Newsroom. Our top story: President Putin has dismissed
:17:34. > :17:37.allegations of Russian meddling in the US election. He was speaking at
:17:38. > :17:40.a meeting with the German Chancellor.
:17:41. > :17:43.Let's look at some of the stories that they're working on around the
:17:44. > :17:48.BBC. The Turkish president has threatened
:17:49. > :17:53.to end efforts to join the European Union unless the block rein-I having
:17:54. > :17:57.rates Turkey's accession process. China has called for the immediate
:17:58. > :18:00.suspension of a controversial US missile defence system based in
:18:01. > :18:04.South Korea, after Washington announced it was operational. That
:18:05. > :18:09.on BBC Chinese. One of the most read stories online is about a Paris art
:18:10. > :18:14.dealer who accidentally left a 1. $1.6 million art work in the boot of
:18:15. > :18:22.a taxi. The piece was handed in by the taxi driver.
:18:23. > :18:26.Now, let's turn to OS business. Investors are on tenter hooks ahead
:18:27. > :18:30.of technology giant Apple's latest earnings. We're going to find out
:18:31. > :18:33.how the world's most valuable company has fared in the latest
:18:34. > :18:38.quarter. If you are lucky enough or rich enough to have bought shares in
:18:39. > :18:42.the iPhone maker, its share price has risen by more than 25% this
:18:43. > :18:48.year. Let's bring in Dave Lee in San Francisco for us.
:18:49. > :18:52.Good to have you with us. Some of the challenges, I suppose, that
:18:53. > :18:57.Apple may face, but these earnings, something to smile about. Yes, well
:18:58. > :19:01.let me take you back to this time last year when I was stood pretty
:19:02. > :19:05.much on the same spot. We were reporting that Apple for the first
:19:06. > :19:10.time had a drop in revenue year on year. This year, it's a much
:19:11. > :19:13.healthier picture. They're inspecting around 5% up on this time
:19:14. > :19:18.last year. The results haven't come out yet. This is what we're
:19:19. > :19:22.expecting. We will know more in half an hour. We're expecting a strong
:19:23. > :19:25.quarter. This is the time of the year where Apple has a slow quarter,
:19:26. > :19:29.because it's after Christmas. Though it's the quieter period they should
:19:30. > :19:34.show some strong earnings. Another thing we're looking out for is Apple
:19:35. > :19:40.cash pile overseas. It could top, if you can believe this, $250 billion.
:19:41. > :19:43.That's kept overseas. It's an extraordinary amount. There's
:19:44. > :19:46.pressure at the moment on Apple to take back some of that money into
:19:47. > :19:50.the US and start buying things, like other companies or rewarding some of
:19:51. > :19:55.its shareholders. Stay with us, Dave, because we want to bring up
:19:56. > :19:57.fresh row that's concerning Facebook, another social media site.
:19:58. > :22:42.The giant has denied Watch chain of events culminated in
:22:43. > :22:48.the injury of a customer and a loss of trust in so many more. As CEO,
:22:49. > :22:53.adding of the day, that is on me. This has to be a turning point for
:22:54. > :22:54.the 87,000 people and professionals here at United. And it
:22:55. > :22:57.the 87,000 people and professionals here at United. And it is my mission
:22:58. > :23:04.to make sure we make the changes needed to provide our customers the
:23:05. > :23:07.highest levels of reliability and customer service that you have come
:23:08. > :23:14.to expect, and a deeper sense of respect and dignity. That is the CEO
:23:15. > :23:17.of United Airlines speaking. The saga has for some the change their
:23:18. > :23:22.policies. We have heard about offering more -- being offered more
:23:23. > :23:28.cash to grab seats, not using law-enforcement officers to remove
:23:29. > :23:32.passengers, and the threat of tougher laws of the industry doesn't
:23:33. > :23:37.up its game. Samir has been following this story. Great you back
:23:38. > :23:42.with us. This chain of events, do you think anybody realised when that
:23:43. > :23:47.first video went viral that it would actually begin this cycle that could
:23:48. > :23:54.bring about huge changes to the industry?
:23:55. > :24:00.I think a lot of people watch that and were outraged, but what made
:24:01. > :24:08.matters worse was the reaction from United. The CEO at that point really
:24:09. > :24:12.dug in his heels and defended the treatment and his staff, and it was
:24:13. > :24:22.only as the anger continued to grow that you got that apology that
:24:23. > :24:26.should have come earlier. Take a moment to understand the lawmakers
:24:27. > :24:31.that he was speaking to. He was also joined by other US airline
:24:32. > :24:35.executives. Lawmakers use airlines all the time, going back and forth
:24:36. > :24:41.from their districts weekly. A lot of this hearing was spent listening
:24:42. > :24:48.to the lawmakers recounting their own experiences using US travel. If
:24:49. > :24:59.they were expecting a really kind, receptive audience, they certainly
:25:00. > :25:02.did not get that. I suppose, airlines have always been a
:25:03. > :25:06.difficult industry to make money from, particularly since 9/11, and
:25:07. > :25:12.can they really afford to be able to compensate passengers better, to
:25:13. > :25:16.reduce the overbooking that we have heard about as well? That is a way
:25:17. > :25:21.to try and increase profits. Airlines are making money. They are
:25:22. > :25:25.not hard up right now. That is why a lot of people are wondering, if
:25:26. > :25:29.airlines are making money and you are seeing that executives are still
:25:30. > :25:32.getting paid big bucks, why is it that the individual using the
:25:33. > :25:35.services being punished in cramped seats and running the risk of not
:25:36. > :25:41.even getting onto their flight because of overbooking? The practice
:25:42. > :25:46.of overbooking was topped about during this hearing, but there was
:25:47. > :25:50.no move by the airlines to stop the practice. I don't think we've heard
:25:51. > :25:55.the end of it. Thank you very much for speaking to us on a OS. We have
:25:56. > :25:58.another half an hour to come, so do stay with us.