:00:13. > :00:17.Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.
:00:18. > :00:23.Across the hour, as the wind and rain make themselves felt, I will
:00:24. > :00:27.bring you all the very latest on the investigation into the London Bridge
:00:28. > :00:30.terror attack. The authorities today have named two of the three
:00:31. > :00:35.attackers, one of them Khuram Butt from its London was previously known
:00:36. > :00:40.to the authorities. They little earlier before the rain came in, and
:00:41. > :00:43.just a few 100 metres from where I'm standing, the Mayor of London led a
:00:44. > :00:44.vigil for those that lost their lives and the dozens who were
:00:45. > :00:49.injured. And the mayor spoke. To the sick and evil extremists
:00:50. > :01:05.who commit these hideous crimes. Inevitably, the attack is
:01:06. > :01:09.influencing the UK election campaign. It is election day on
:01:10. > :01:12.Thursday. We have heard from both the Prime Minister to Theresa May
:01:13. > :01:17.and the opposition leader, Jeremy Corbyn. I will bring you up-to-date
:01:18. > :01:20.on that, and I will be live in Washington, DC after Donald Trump
:01:21. > :01:21.launched a second extraordinary attack on the Mayor of London, Sadiq
:01:22. > :01:47.Khan. You join me on a damp, Loi Monday
:01:48. > :01:51.night here in the centre of London. I am just on the edge of the huge
:01:52. > :02:00.police cordon that has been set up around the scene of Saturday night's
:02:01. > :02:07.atrocity, in which three men killed, seven people. We now 48 others were
:02:08. > :02:11.injured. The authorities of the Santon have said they had identified
:02:12. > :02:15.attackers but were not releasing their names, well, two names have
:02:16. > :02:20.now been released, the first was a 27-year-old, called Khuram Butt. He
:02:21. > :02:26.was a British citizen. You can see him on the left. He was born in
:02:27. > :02:32.Pakistan, but living in Barking, is London. The second to be named is
:02:33. > :02:40.the 30-year-old Rachid Redouane, who also lived in Barking, is London. We
:02:41. > :02:44.are told investigators were aware of Khuram Butt but there was no
:02:45. > :02:51.evidence he was planning an attack. Before this wind and rain came in so
:02:52. > :02:55.fiercely, a vigil was led by the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, in a
:02:56. > :02:59.park just next door to City Hall and right next door to Tower Bridge and
:03:00. > :03:03.the river Thames. Here is some of what the mayor said.
:03:04. > :03:06.As the Mayor of London, I want to send a clear message
:03:07. > :03:15.to the sick and evil extremists who commit these hideous crimes.
:03:16. > :03:26.Today, we mourn the loss of innocent lives.
:03:27. > :03:29.Londoners and people from around the world.
:03:30. > :03:32.We send our love to the victims's families, and to all
:03:33. > :03:37.those who are injured, and we thank our courageous
:03:38. > :03:42.emergency services, and the brave Londoners who risked their lives
:03:43. > :03:58.Khuram Butt, one of the two attacker to have been named by the police we
:03:59. > :04:03.now have been reported to the authorities over concerns he was
:04:04. > :04:06.becoming radicalised. We also know he featured in a Channel 4
:04:07. > :04:11.documentary looking at people with Jay Harris the queues in London. The
:04:12. > :04:15.BBC's Ed Thomas has been in east London today and has spoken to one
:04:16. > :04:20.of Khuram Butt's neighbours, who says he saw the van that was true
:04:21. > :04:26.than in the people on Saturday night in London Bridge, he saw the ban on
:04:27. > :04:32.Friday. More details in a's latest report.
:04:33. > :04:34.He was the enemy within, Khuram Butt, at 27, a father
:04:35. > :04:41.of two young children, he had worked on the
:04:42. > :04:43.London Underground before turning to Islamic extremism.
:04:44. > :05:02.Romana was a neighbour, she now says she feels fooled.
:05:03. > :05:04.He was kind, he shared the sweets with the neighbours.
:05:05. > :05:08.He is not going to go there, he is going to go there.
:05:09. > :05:13.Benjamin Joe would say hello to his neighbour, even
:05:14. > :05:27.Was he calm when you saw him on Saturday?
:05:28. > :05:33.We thought he was moving out because he was parked
:05:34. > :05:41.Moving out, because Michael watched the London attacker
:05:42. > :05:46.with another man in a white van, speeding at 6.30 on Saturday night.
:05:47. > :05:50.Before the final. To be precise, around 6:30pm.
:05:51. > :05:58.It screeched up, it was driving pretty fast.
:05:59. > :06:04.Didn't brake on the bend, it just went.
:06:05. > :06:07.He wasn't happy with the way women were dressed, he wanted
:06:08. > :06:12.They would talk in parks, in a nearby mosque.
:06:13. > :06:14.He didn't want to show his face and asked us
:06:15. > :06:22.He would talk about Syria mostly, Afghanistan, they get bombed
:06:23. > :06:25.and most people don't have food, they don't have homes to live.
:06:26. > :06:28.He said the pair would debate Syria, Iraq and Islamic State.
:06:29. > :06:37.Do you think he was trying to radicalise them?
:06:38. > :06:39.Do you think he was trying to radicalise you?
:06:40. > :06:43.I wouldn't want to turn out like a bad person,
:06:44. > :06:46.I wouldn't want to do that kind of thing.
:06:47. > :06:47.Khuram Butt, responsible for seven innocent deaths,
:06:48. > :06:50.and today more raids, more searches to get to the truth
:06:51. > :07:00.With me now, Dal Babu, former Chief Superintendent
:07:01. > :07:11.Thank you for coming out in this Arnaud Clement weather. There has
:07:12. > :07:19.been a furious political row about cuts. Do you think police cut
:07:20. > :07:22.affected the Metropolitan's police ability to track this plot? The
:07:23. > :07:26.challenges that police are never prepared to come out to say that
:07:27. > :07:31.they need a huge amount of resources while they are serving. It always
:07:32. > :07:34.reminds me of the George Orwell scenario, where the police keep
:07:35. > :07:40.being asked to do more and more and they keep carrying on doing it. If
:07:41. > :07:44.you have had a 50% cut in policing, 20,000 less officers since 2010, it
:07:45. > :07:50.is a no-brainer, it will have an impact of what the police can do, in
:07:51. > :07:55.terms of resources. Even if funding for counterterrorism specifically is
:07:56. > :07:59.ring fenced? I don't think they are two entirely different things. When
:08:00. > :08:02.I was a police officer, I got information to talking to people. I
:08:03. > :08:05.would speak to people, find out what was happening and then come back and
:08:06. > :08:10.do intelligence reports on that and there is no substitute for that.
:08:11. > :08:13.People sitting in an office going on computers and trying to work out
:08:14. > :08:17.what is happening on the ground. You need those people on the ground but
:08:18. > :08:22.it is not just the police officers being cut. We have also had cuts in
:08:23. > :08:25.the CSO numbers, community support officers and police staff are being
:08:26. > :08:29.cut as well. In the case of one of the attackers who has been named, we
:08:30. > :08:33.know the police were aware of him. Can you help us understand what that
:08:34. > :08:38.actually means when someone like him is on a watchlist? The police will
:08:39. > :08:43.have an intelligent system and they will look and grade each bit of that
:08:44. > :08:46.comes in. One thing that is very crucial is that communities should
:08:47. > :08:49.carry on contacting the police. We have heard Muslim embers of the
:08:50. > :08:51.community in Manchester were contacting the police around the
:08:52. > :08:55.individual who carried out the suicide bomber in Manchester. It is
:08:56. > :08:58.very important people carry on providing that information, once
:08:59. > :09:03.they get information, they will grade it. There is a problem with
:09:04. > :09:07.the system of people in Manchester came forward, people in east London
:09:08. > :09:10.came forward and yet tragically his attacks were carried out? There will
:09:11. > :09:13.be some lessons learned in how we deal with that information but we
:09:14. > :09:17.have to look of the information. I have some sympathy with the police,
:09:18. > :09:20.in terms of information comes in and they have to grade it. They can't
:09:21. > :09:25.have the same response to every civil person, every bit of
:09:26. > :09:29.information. Some might be this guy is looking at a magazine, he has
:09:30. > :09:35.downloaded something on making a terrorist bomb. We have heard this
:09:36. > :09:38.phrase, a new reality, being used by Cressida Dick, the current
:09:39. > :09:41.commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. Whichever government is
:09:42. > :09:46.elected after Thursday, what do you think their priorities are, in terms
:09:47. > :09:49.of responding to this new reality. We need to look at the Prevent
:09:50. > :09:51.strategy first of the present Prime Minister has talked about reviewing
:09:52. > :09:57.counterterrorism and I think that should include the Prevent strategy.
:09:58. > :09:59.The Prevent strategy is one of the four strands of counterterrorism
:10:00. > :10:04.strategies, which is designed to look at stopping radicalisation. The
:10:05. > :10:09.Muslim community, significant members of the Muslim community,
:10:10. > :10:12.have difficulties with that. It is important that that confidence and
:10:13. > :10:15.the community is essential. We need to review that, and look at the good
:10:16. > :10:19.things about prevent and make sure we are able to use it. It should be
:10:20. > :10:23.about safeguarding, if you have someone who has gone report, has
:10:24. > :10:26.mental health problems, is acting bizarrely, they should be brought
:10:27. > :10:29.before the authorities and the authorities make an assessment. This
:10:30. > :10:33.is someone who need support and assistance, or is this someone who
:10:34. > :10:36.is dangerous and needs to be charged with an offence and put into prison.
:10:37. > :10:41.I will let you step out of the wet and get yourself a bit dry. Dowell
:10:42. > :10:47.Babu, former Chief Superintendent with the Metropolitan Police. I am
:10:48. > :10:52.sure you aware that all seven victims of Saturday's attack had not
:10:53. > :10:54.been named, but we know that a 30-year-old Canadian woman called
:10:55. > :10:59.Christine Archibald was one of those who had. She had moved to Europe to
:11:00. > :11:02.live with her fiance. They called the Netherlands home but had come to
:11:03. > :11:07.London for the weekend, and we are told today that she died in the arms
:11:08. > :11:09.of her fiance. Her family put out an extraordinary statement talking
:11:10. > :11:13.about her commitment to work with the homeless. They encourage people
:11:14. > :11:16.to do volunteer work and said if they go and do that, tell them
:11:17. > :11:20.Christie sent you. We've also been taught by the French authorities
:11:21. > :11:24.that a French national lost their life, and we also heard from the
:11:25. > :11:29.sister of a man called James McMullan, who confirmed her brother
:11:30. > :11:30.was also one of those who died. This was a statement that she gave
:11:31. > :11:33.earlier. This morning we received news
:11:34. > :11:35.from the police that my brother's bank card was found on one
:11:36. > :11:38.of the bodies from Saturday night's brutal attack,
:11:39. > :11:40.but they are unable to formally identify him until the coroner's
:11:41. > :11:48.report comes tomorrow. identify him until the coroner's
:11:49. > :11:55.report begins tomorrow. We would like to send our
:11:56. > :11:59.condolences to the relatives and loved ones of all the ones who lost
:12:00. > :12:02.their lives, our thoughts are with them at this time. We would like to
:12:03. > :12:07.thank all the members of the services hooted their utmost to
:12:08. > :12:09.serve and protect the population of London from these arranged and
:12:10. > :12:18.deluded individuals. We know that seven people lost their
:12:19. > :12:23.lives on Saturday, and that 48 were injured.
:12:24. > :12:30.We are told 18 of those remain critically ill. Now this report from
:12:31. > :12:33.Allan Little on the victims of the London Bridge attack.
:12:34. > :12:36.The faces of those caught up in the attack reflect
:12:37. > :12:38.the character of London - diverse, global and a magnet
:12:39. > :12:41.drawing youth and energy from around the world.
:12:42. > :12:45.Chrissy Archibald, who was 30 and from Canada, was walking
:12:46. > :12:49.on London Bridge with her fiance Tyler Ferguson when she was struck
:12:50. > :12:56.He heard tyres screeching, and he looked back and he just saw
:12:57. > :13:01.the mayhem that was going on, and the van hitting people.
:13:02. > :13:05.And then he ran up and tried CPR on her.
:13:06. > :13:10.Her family said she would not have understood the callous cruelty
:13:11. > :13:17.The French Foreign Ministry said one French citizen was murdered,
:13:18. > :13:18.another seven French nationals were injured, four
:13:19. > :13:26.Candice Hedge was one of four Australians injured.
:13:27. > :13:30.She was stabbed in the throat and is now recovering in hospital.
:13:31. > :13:33.She was hiding at the time and the guy got her, and stabbed her
:13:34. > :13:41.But I eventually got onto the hospital, and they spoke
:13:42. > :13:49.She is going to be OK, that's the main thing.
:13:50. > :13:51.Daniel O'Neill, who's 23, suffered a seven inch
:13:52. > :13:56.His life was saved by a friend, who stopped the bleeding
:13:57. > :14:07.Jeff Ho, a journalist, was stabbed while trying to stop
:14:08. > :14:11.I don't know whether it was stupid or noble, he said on Facebook,
:14:12. > :14:13.but that wasn't going to happen on my watch.
:14:14. > :14:17.Oliver Dowling from New Zealand needed four hours of surgery.
:14:18. > :14:19.His French girlfriend was also injured, and is in
:14:20. > :14:23.Brett Freeman, who is from East London, is a father of three
:14:24. > :14:26.A friend posted this picture on social media
:14:27. > :14:31.18 people remain critically ill, most of those who died
:14:32. > :14:35.The list of those killed and injured reflects
:14:36. > :14:42.An attack in London sends its anguish around the world.
:14:43. > :14:57.Many hundreds of people were caught up in the attack on Saturday. One of
:14:58. > :15:01.them was Richard Angell, who is joining me live by London Bridge.
:15:02. > :15:06.Thank you for coming out, I know it is a really unpleasant evening. You
:15:07. > :15:11.are back in town because you went to the jaw earlier. Yes, we went to the
:15:12. > :15:16.Vigil where Sadiq Khan I think spoke for everyone in this city as the
:15:17. > :15:19.Mayor of London. He spoke about our unity, our diversity, and how we
:15:20. > :15:22.will not let these people change our lives. They don't speak for people
:15:23. > :15:25.of his faith, they don't speak to people of any faith, and they don't
:15:26. > :15:29.speak for the carriage of London that will come through this. And we
:15:30. > :15:33.remember the seven people who are now not with their loved ones,
:15:34. > :15:39.friends and families, and the 21 still in hospital. Tell me what
:15:40. > :15:43.happened to you on Saturday. I was having a lovely Saturday night out
:15:44. > :15:46.with my friends at a restaurant in Borough market. We were sitting at
:15:47. > :15:49.the table near the door and it became apparent that the security to
:15:50. > :15:55.the venue were saying lock the door and duck and hide. And this young
:15:56. > :15:58.waiter, who is clearly overworked and underpaid, put his foot against
:15:59. > :16:01.the door and his body weight on these big glass windows and he
:16:02. > :16:05.protected Lascuna won us could get in. Everyone else panicked not
:16:06. > :16:10.unreasonably, turned over tables, got under chairs, try to get some
:16:11. > :16:13.semblance of safety. I was able to look around what was happening,
:16:14. > :16:17.opposite I could see a guy throwing a table, but I found out afterwards
:16:18. > :16:20.it was that heroic guy who was throwing stuff at one of the
:16:21. > :16:24.assailants were stabbing a young woman. He put her life before his
:16:25. > :16:28.and we thank him for that, he is one of the heroes of that story. At that
:16:29. > :16:33.point did you will as that was something out of the ordinary. It
:16:34. > :16:36.was clear from the beginning that it was a terrorist attack, it was no
:16:37. > :16:39.drill. You didn't want to take a second chance at doing the right
:16:40. > :16:43.thing the first time and people active. So how long after those
:16:44. > :16:50.initial moments to jihad to stay inside the restaurant? We saw
:16:51. > :16:52.someone coming out covered in blood holding their neck or upper chest
:16:53. > :17:02.structuring -- staggering through. Police at the area, gunshots went
:17:03. > :17:06.off and I am Thorup was just eight minutes. Relying on journalists like
:17:07. > :17:10.yourself, people on Twitter, to try and patch together what was
:17:11. > :17:14.happening around us. And you have been back to meet the restaurant
:17:15. > :17:18.owner this evening? We have been to have a drink with him, we are
:17:19. > :17:22.determined to go back and pay Abel. We haven't had a chance to do that.
:17:23. > :17:27.It is still cordoned off as a crime scene. We want to tip those people,
:17:28. > :17:31.putting your body behind a glass door to stop someone getting in
:17:32. > :17:37.doesn't deserve a double fit, I don't what does. We met another guy
:17:38. > :17:41.at the Vigil who I read about his story at the Evening Standard, he
:17:42. > :17:44.couldn't get back to his flat and these two lovely women took him in,
:17:45. > :17:48.and he wants me to say thank you to them and we're having a drink with
:17:49. > :17:53.him as well this evening, because London is determined that these
:17:54. > :17:57.people shall not, will not win, and I thought Sadiq Khan spoke for all
:17:58. > :17:59.of us. If having a gin and tonic, flirting with handsome men and
:18:00. > :18:03.hanging out with strong women offends these people so much, we are
:18:04. > :18:07.going to do it time and time again, because that is what makes London so
:18:08. > :18:11.great. Thank you to coming to see us. Richard was talking about Sadiq
:18:12. > :18:15.Khan. He has been on the receiving end for a second time of a very
:18:16. > :18:19.critical tweet from Donald Trump. A lot of people are slightly amused
:18:20. > :18:22.about why Donald Trump is picking a fight with Sadiq Khan at this
:18:23. > :19:08.moment. We will be live in Washington, DC to discuss that.
:19:09. > :19:46.Welcome back to Outside Source. I hope you can hear me about the rain
:19:47. > :19:49.in the wind, because the weather is deteriorating here, just close the
:19:50. > :19:53.London Bridge. Behind me you can probably see the Shard. At the base
:19:54. > :19:57.of the Shard is London Bridge station and it was not far from
:19:58. > :20:00.there that the atrocity of Saturday night played out, with the bike --
:20:01. > :20:03.with a white van in mounting the pavement on the bridge and three men
:20:04. > :20:08.exiting the van and beginning to stab people in the street. Our lead
:20:09. > :20:11.story on Outside Source today is that the authorities had named two
:20:12. > :20:18.of the three attackers, and we understand one called Khuram Butt,
:20:19. > :20:25.featured in a Channel 4 documentary and was known to the security
:20:26. > :20:30.services. Now, a lot of you would have been aware of a couple of
:20:31. > :20:33.tweets that Donald Trump sent in the hours after the London attack.
:20:34. > :20:41.lot of dubstep from particularly in the city, was the president saying
:20:42. > :20:46.at least seven dead, 48 wounded, and the Mayor of London says there is no
:20:47. > :20:49.reason to be alarmed. Well, the Mayor of London in that case was
:20:50. > :20:54.being taken completely out of context by the president, because in
:20:55. > :20:55.fact what Sadiq Khan had said was that people have no reason to be
:20:56. > :21:05.alarmed. When asked about that particular
:21:06. > :21:09.riposte from Donald Trump, Sadiq Khan's spokesperson said we are not
:21:10. > :21:12.going to get into responding to that, we have better things to do.
:21:13. > :21:18.Donald Trump came out today and sent a second tweet, in which to use the
:21:19. > :21:29.US phrase, he doubled down, criticising the London mayor again.
:21:30. > :21:35.A couple of things to offer here. Sadiq Khan didn't offer an excuse in
:21:36. > :21:39.response to his initial statement, it just wasn't there, so we are not
:21:40. > :21:43.sure what Donald Trump is referring to there. Second of all, his
:21:44. > :21:46.statement was so clear and easy to understand, it is hard to imagine
:21:47. > :21:48.how the president came to misinterpret it, unless he meant the
:21:49. > :21:51.misinterpreted. Let's speak to Anthony
:21:52. > :21:57.Zurcher in Washington. There are a lot of people in the
:21:58. > :22:00.city who are very angry with what Mr Trump said but also bemused that
:22:01. > :22:07.something that is so easy to prove to be wrong is something that he
:22:08. > :22:11.continues to criticise. Right, and Donald Trump had a public appearance
:22:12. > :22:15.earlier today and he did not comment on it at all, didn't take any
:22:16. > :22:20.questions. Reporters during the regular White House press conference
:22:21. > :22:25.asked Sarah Huckabee Sanders, deputy secretary, if Donald Trump was
:22:26. > :22:28.trying to pick a fight with Amir Khan, and he said not at all, coming
:22:29. > :22:34.was focusing on national security -- with Sadiq Khan. Then they asked if
:22:35. > :22:39.he was being targeted by Donald Trump because he was a Muslim mayor
:22:40. > :22:42.and she said it was utterly with the killers. She said what Donald Trump
:22:43. > :22:48.was trying to say is that there was reason to be alarmed over the rise
:22:49. > :22:51.in Islamic extremism in the world. So in other words she answered a
:22:52. > :22:56.question that was not opposed to her and basically did not directly
:22:57. > :23:02.address anything about why Donald Trump decided to pick this fight,
:23:03. > :23:06.where he got the idea about what Sadiq Khan said was talking about
:23:07. > :23:12.being alarmed over a terrorist attack. Nonetheless, Anthony, it is
:23:13. > :23:16.quite something for the American president to say in the 48 hours
:23:17. > :23:24.after a terror attack in the capital of one of America's supposedly
:23:25. > :23:27.closest allies. Absolutely. It is very remarkable, but then again
:23:28. > :23:33.Donald Trump has a tendency of trying to take incidents like this,
:23:34. > :23:38.high profile attacks like this, and use them to political advantage. It
:23:39. > :23:44.was after the Paris attack, I believe, that he first unveiled in
:23:45. > :23:49.December 2015 his proposal for an outright ban on Muslim integration
:23:50. > :23:52.into the US, and his standing within the Republican party, among party
:23:53. > :23:55.voters went up after that, and time and time again you see instances
:23:56. > :23:59.where there has been an attack or some sort of incident and Donald
:24:00. > :24:03.Trump has reacted very aggressively in condemning it and saying it is an
:24:04. > :24:08.example of why the US must do more to take on Islamic extremism. So it
:24:09. > :24:12.isn't out of keeping with the way Donald Trump has behaved on the
:24:13. > :24:17.campaign trail, and as president. But, mind you, it is particularly
:24:18. > :24:22.pointed, given the fact that it is the Mayor of London, and the UK is
:24:23. > :24:26.one of our closest allies. I think he is getting a lot of criticism
:24:27. > :24:30.here within the US on this topic. And just before the end of this half
:24:31. > :24:33.of the programme, explain to us what the president has been saying about
:24:34. > :24:36.the travel ban and the department of justice and the Supreme Court,
:24:37. > :24:42.because it is getting confusing exactly what he would like to
:24:43. > :24:47.happen. Exactly. First of all he tweeted earlier today that he did in
:24:48. > :24:50.fact call for a travel ban, the word ban is something he would use to
:24:51. > :24:54.describe it. Other people in the ministers and have backed off using
:24:55. > :24:57.that term because it was too closely allied with the Muslim ban he
:24:58. > :25:03.proposed earlier. But I think what he is saying is trying to come up
:25:04. > :25:07.with some sort of immigration action, it is too watered down, too
:25:08. > :25:11.politically correct. He would much rather see a sweeping action, much
:25:12. > :25:17.like his original travel ban that he proposed in January, that had a
:25:18. > :25:21.religious component to it and would have possibly affected people who
:25:22. > :25:26.even had immigration, valid immigration papers are coming into
:25:27. > :25:30.the US. Anthony, thank you very much indeed. Yes, I think it is fair to
:25:31. > :25:34.say that in London a lot of people fall into two categories. One group
:25:35. > :25:37.of people think the state visits scheduled for later this year is not
:25:38. > :25:42.something they approve of, or they would welcome the state visit as an
:25:43. > :25:44.opportunity to communicate the Donald Trump exactly how they feel
:25:45. > :25:50.about his criticism of this city's mayor. That is it for this half of
:25:51. > :25:54.Outside Source. I will be back with you for another half an hour with
:25:55. > :25:55.all the latest on the investigations into the London Bridge terror
:25:56. > :26:00.attack. Speak to you in a bit.