:00:11. > :00:17.Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.
:00:18. > :00:25.Just outside of this huge police cordon that surrounds the area that
:00:26. > :00:30.was attacked on Saturday. The big story is that police have named two
:00:31. > :00:35.of the three attackers. One called Khuram Butt from East London, known
:00:36. > :00:40.to authorities. Before night fell and weather picked up, or a few
:00:41. > :00:43.metres away from me at City Hall next to the river Thames, the Merit
:00:44. > :00:50.London led a vigil for those who lost their lives and spoke to those
:00:51. > :00:53.who gathered. -- the Mayor of London.
:00:54. > :00:55.To the sick and evil extremists who commit these hideous crimes.
:00:56. > :01:06.With just three days to go before the UK election,
:01:07. > :01:08.Theresa May has been defending her record on security
:01:09. > :01:11.and policing after Jeremy Corbyn backs calls for her to resign.
:01:12. > :01:14.We have protected counter-terrorism police budgets.
:01:15. > :01:16.We have also provided for an increase in the number
:01:17. > :01:19.of armed police officers and since 2015 we have protected
:01:20. > :01:26.And in the Middle East - a rift between neighbours.
:01:27. > :01:31.Six countries including Saudi Arabia, cut diplomatic ties
:01:32. > :01:57.A look at the inevitable politicisation of this terror attack
:01:58. > :02:01.in a moment. If you are tweeting to say, do you have an umbrella to help
:02:02. > :02:06.you in this weather? We haven't put it up as it will blow away. Others
:02:07. > :02:10.have said, can you go back to the studio? We could, but despite the
:02:11. > :02:13.weather we have spoken to a number of people in the last few hours
:02:14. > :02:19.relevant to this story, including Richard, we spoke to him earlier and
:02:20. > :02:23.he was caught up in the events on Saturday and weren't to the vigil.
:02:24. > :02:27.We want to stay here and speak to those at the heart of the story --
:02:28. > :02:32.went to the vigil. This attack has become politicised with the Prime
:02:33. > :02:36.Minister Theresa May defending her record on security and policing
:02:37. > :02:41.levels. The opposition party led by Jeremy Corbyn attacking some of
:02:42. > :02:43.those positions that she has taken. Let's get up-to-date, here is BBC's
:02:44. > :02:49.political editor Laura Kuenssberg. Raising the stakes,
:02:50. > :02:51.but is she raising her game? Theresa May calls for a new attitude
:02:52. > :02:54.in a new era of terrorist threats. She hopes leadership is her
:02:55. > :02:57.strength, but experience haunts her. Because of the nature
:02:58. > :02:59.of the threat we face, we need to review our counterterrorism
:03:00. > :03:02.strategy to make sure the police and security services have
:03:03. > :03:04.all the powers they need. If that means increasing the length
:03:05. > :03:06.of custodial sentences for terrorism related offences,
:03:07. > :03:08.even apparently less serious They may be uncomfortable
:03:09. > :03:18.for some to contemplate, but nothing is more important
:03:19. > :03:23.than keeping our country safe. She's promised tighter rules
:03:24. > :03:26.for Internet providers, But again and again, she was pressed
:03:27. > :03:31.on falling police budgets, On your watch as Home Secretary,
:03:32. > :03:36.the number of armed police officers fell, still it is lower
:03:37. > :03:38.than in 2010. The number of officers
:03:39. > :03:40.fell in total by 20,000, And control orders that monitor
:03:41. > :03:45.terrorists were watered down. Would it not be leadership to say
:03:46. > :03:52.that you would reverse those cuts? We have enhanced
:03:53. > :03:56.the powers for the police. We have assured that security
:03:57. > :03:59.and intelligence agencies have the powers that they need,
:04:00. > :04:02.but it's not just about the resource, it's about
:04:03. > :04:04.the powers people have. The Independent Former
:04:05. > :04:06.Terror Watchdog agreed. Do you think that police cuts
:04:07. > :04:09.and a squeeze on the Home Office This is a completely misleading
:04:10. > :04:16.argument and the Prime Minister
:04:17. > :04:18.is right about it. Cut in committee policing
:04:19. > :04:21.are a legitimate issue They are nothing
:04:22. > :04:25.to do with terrorism. Plenty disagree, and for Labour,
:04:26. > :04:28.attacking the police cuts is the best form
:04:29. > :04:31.of political defence. We are not going to allow
:04:32. > :04:33.anybody to dictate how we live our lives, or how we go
:04:34. > :04:41.about enjoying ourselves. Jeremy Corbyn's application
:04:42. > :04:43.for the biggest job in the land is to restore
:04:44. > :04:46.cuts to public services. Would you take me on as
:04:47. > :04:49.an apprentice in your company? I would have to see your grades
:04:50. > :04:52.first... Having seemed to call
:04:53. > :04:55.for Theresa May to resign before clarifying, Jeremy Corbyn says
:04:56. > :04:57.he would consider any request pompous acuity
:04:58. > :05:01.services for more power. One is more police,
:05:02. > :05:05.that is essential. Secondly, more intelligence
:05:06. > :05:07.on the operations that are necessary to prevent a terror
:05:08. > :05:11.attack taking place. And also, the Home Office should
:05:12. > :05:17.release its report on funding of terrorist organisations,
:05:18. > :05:19.which it's been sitting on and not Despite the usual energetic
:05:20. > :05:29.photocalls come the weekend attacks Despite the usual energetic
:05:30. > :05:40.photocalls, the weekend attacks There must be a determination
:05:41. > :05:43.across all of the parties to challenge robustly
:05:44. > :05:46.extremism in all of its forms. But as we do that,
:05:47. > :05:48.we have got to make sure In coalition, the Lib Dems
:05:49. > :05:51.were reluctant to tighten Theresa May has made a choice
:05:52. > :05:55.to give away corporation tax cuts to very wealthy corporations,
:05:56. > :05:57.and at the same time, With the choice days away,
:05:58. > :06:01.the discussions are nearly done, but the closing phase of
:06:02. > :06:04.this campaign is a fundamentally different shape to when it
:06:05. > :06:06.all began, and the question on the table now,
:06:07. > :06:08.the most basic of all. Who will you trust to
:06:09. > :06:11.keep the country safe? The Tories hope the Prime
:06:12. > :06:15.Minister's experience will land her back in power.
:06:16. > :06:19.Her record could trip her up, too. Laura Kuenssberg,
:06:20. > :06:34.BBC News, Westminster. I guess the challenge for all
:06:35. > :06:38.parties is that they want to continue to address the issues
:06:39. > :06:42.raised by Saturday night at London Bridge, but they also have other
:06:43. > :06:46.policies that they want to bring into the public domain? Absolutely.
:06:47. > :06:50.What you need to remember is that what we have two full days of
:06:51. > :06:57.campaigning left until the general election. We are in an unprecedented
:06:58. > :07:01.situation of having two terror attacks, one at the weekend being
:07:02. > :07:04.the latest, during the course of a general election campaign. That's
:07:05. > :07:10.never happened before and has radically changed the shape and tone
:07:11. > :07:13.of this campaign in those final closing days before the polls
:07:14. > :07:19.opened. As we have been hearing in Laura's report, the debate has
:07:20. > :07:24.specifically come about on security. But there is more going on here too.
:07:25. > :07:29.What Theresa May always wanted to make this campaign about was
:07:30. > :07:35.leadership. That is code for her pointing to what she thinks of as
:07:36. > :07:38.perceived weaknesses of her opponent, Jeremy Corbyn. She
:07:39. > :07:42.believes the voting public will simply see her as a stronger leader.
:07:43. > :07:47.In this debate surrounding security, we see her pressing this idea once
:07:48. > :07:51.again, as she was the Home Secretary, the Secretary of State
:07:52. > :07:57.for home affairs in the UK. She will try and point at how she feels she
:07:58. > :08:00.has been tough in this role that there are risks. Her opponents have
:08:01. > :08:03.pointed to what they say are falling police budgets and numbers, she has
:08:04. > :08:08.said that they have protected the number of firearms officers and she
:08:09. > :08:13.will review counterterrorism. As for Jeremy Corbyn, as you have heard,
:08:14. > :08:17.his record on this is something that opponents have attacked, effectively
:08:18. > :08:23.accusing him of being a sympathiser of terrorism, the IRA in the 1980s.
:08:24. > :08:30.He has vehemently said he thinks that all bombing is wrong. Beyond
:08:31. > :08:33.that, he has said that he opposed all anti-terrorist legislation
:08:34. > :08:34.introduced in Parliament, Theresa May says that she has been a
:08:35. > :08:46.champion of it -- they have said. Tom, this election was already
:08:47. > :08:52.fiendishly difficult to predict. It has got harder, hasn't it?
:08:53. > :08:56.Absolutely. We know, as with all campaigns, there has been a wide
:08:57. > :08:59.number of polls. The most important thing is, remember the general
:09:00. > :09:03.election of 2015? Remember the referendum of last
:09:04. > :09:08.year, where the polls got things not a little wrong, but in both cases,
:09:09. > :09:13.got the actual result wrong. I think everyone is treating the polls with
:09:14. > :09:17.a huge dose of scepticism and huge pinches of salt being thrown
:09:18. > :09:21.everywhere. But, they have proved to be interesting reading. The fact
:09:22. > :09:25.that they are suggesting there is a timing between the two main parties,
:09:26. > :09:31.the Conservatives and Labour since Theresa May unexpectedly called that
:09:32. > :09:35.election, many saying she could get more than a 100 seat majority.
:09:36. > :09:40.Things don't necessarily look that way but there is a wide range of
:09:41. > :09:45.variety between polls. We will have to wait and see until Thursday
:09:46. > :09:53.night. Tong, thank you. Whether you are watching on the BBC News Channel
:09:54. > :09:59.in the UK or elsewhere on BBC World News, you will get extensive
:10:00. > :10:00.coverage when the polls close -- Tom, thank you.
:10:01. > :10:03.The Prime Minister has accused technology firms of not doing enough
:10:04. > :10:15.Theresa May talked about their been safe space online for terror
:10:16. > :10:19.ideology. investing significant resources
:10:20. > :10:24.in fighting the spread of extremism. If you know what you are looking
:10:25. > :10:27.for, it is easy to find extremist Online magazines
:10:28. > :10:30.and videos with high production values that
:10:31. > :10:37.glamorise the struggle are shared widely on social
:10:38. > :10:41.media and messaging apps. The spotlight is on the
:10:42. > :10:43.technology platforms that Despite public concern, Google,
:10:44. > :10:46.Facebook and Twitter declined a request for an interview,
:10:47. > :10:50.and not for the first time. Google said they employ
:10:51. > :11:00.thousands and invest Facebook say they work
:11:01. > :11:03.aggressively to remove Twitter said such material has no
:11:04. > :11:06.place on their platform. Extremists are migrating
:11:07. > :11:08.onto messaging apps like Telegram and WhatsApp,
:11:09. > :11:10.which have end-to-end encryption, creating a safe place where those
:11:11. > :11:13.extremists can operate. Opening a back door to such apps
:11:14. > :11:16.brings its own problems, and could A lot of people
:11:17. > :11:19.naturally think these technology companies
:11:20. > :11:21.make billions in profit That is true of course -
:11:22. > :11:30.but these issues are One problem is the sheer volume
:11:31. > :11:37.of material uploaded every day, but the deeper question
:11:38. > :11:39.is whether or not Internet companies with no democratic
:11:40. > :11:41.mandate should be given the power to say
:11:42. > :11:49.who sees what online. Germany is drafting legislation that
:11:50. > :11:53.will find tech firms if they don't remove extremist material, but not
:11:54. > :12:00.everyone thinks that more regulation is a good idea.
:12:01. > :12:02.Regulation is complicated, you need to recognise that
:12:03. > :12:07.you are not making incentives to set up more than you
:12:08. > :12:09.need, to remove free speech rather than just removing terror content.
:12:10. > :12:12.You need to be confident you are not upsetting a delicate balance.
:12:13. > :12:19.As calls for technology giants to clamp
:12:20. > :12:22.down on terror grow, it's not clear that granting more power over
:12:23. > :12:31.our lives to the tech companies is the best solution.
:12:32. > :12:38.edge of the police cordon. While police there will be concerned about
:12:39. > :12:41.the security of the whole area affected by the attack and
:12:42. > :12:46.investigations into what happened here, some colleagues will be
:12:47. > :12:47.looking at issues of online security, as were discussed in that
:12:48. > :12:48.report. I've been speaking to James O'Malley
:12:49. > :12:58.from the tech website Gizmodo UK. I wanted his thoughts on whether
:12:59. > :13:01.Theresa May, speaking about safe spaces for terrorists online, is
:13:02. > :13:08.fair comment. I think undeniably there are places
:13:09. > :13:13.online which are places where terrorists or potential terrorists
:13:14. > :13:20.exchange information but there is no easy solution as to what we do about
:13:21. > :13:25.this. We can say enough is enough, but what that is is a different
:13:26. > :13:30.question. It's not just making more or less secure, but trade-offs. What
:13:31. > :13:39.are we giving up if we try and shut down these places? Or dismantling
:13:40. > :13:45.correction? -- encryption. If you hear music in the background, a guy
:13:46. > :13:49.has turned up with a PA system and at the moment he is not willing to
:13:50. > :13:53.turn it down. You talk about encryption on the dark web, but
:13:54. > :13:59.YouTube is where one person has told the BBC One of the attackers was
:14:00. > :14:04.radicalised. This is in plain view. Isn't it the responsibility of
:14:05. > :14:08.Google and Facebook to get rid of this? It's interesting, that wider
:14:09. > :14:14.debate is something we need to have in this post-Internet era, about the
:14:15. > :14:17.role of these enormous companies. Which have colonised huge amounts of
:14:18. > :14:24.the public sphere. Google, Facebook, Apple. There is a handful of
:14:25. > :14:28.companies that controls huge swathes of data, our digital lives, our
:14:29. > :14:32.entire lives. If you have a phone in your pocket, that is your entire
:14:33. > :14:35.life. If you want companies controlling that and if you want the
:14:36. > :14:41.government to have access to all of the data all of our lives, that's
:14:42. > :14:44.another question. We are talking a lot about end-to-end encryption, a
:14:45. > :14:50.lot of us don't fully understand what that is. Why is it so relevant?
:14:51. > :14:55.Aims to end encryption is when it is just you and the other person who
:14:56. > :14:58.sees the messages, as it is transported you are the only will
:14:59. > :15:07.one who can see that mattered. -- you are the only one who can see
:15:08. > :15:10.that message. There is talk of building back doors into this
:15:11. > :15:16.system. WhatsApp is entirely end-to-end encrypted. Everyone who
:15:17. > :15:20.knows what they are talking about thinks it is basically because the
:15:21. > :15:25.entire Internet is predicated on encryption. The padlock in your
:15:26. > :15:30.browser next to your web address means that the data is encrypted. A
:15:31. > :15:36.back door can give the government and good guys access but equally, a
:15:37. > :15:38.back door could give the bad guys access as well. Hackers and other
:15:39. > :15:41.terrorists. James O'Malley, thank you.
:15:42. > :15:47.You recall in the media aftermath of the Manchester attack, there was a
:15:48. > :15:51.lot of talk about whether Salman Abedi was known to authorities and
:15:52. > :15:55.questions about what was done with information. The same question is
:15:56. > :15:59.being asked now it is clear that one of those who carried out the attack
:16:00. > :16:04.on Saturday was known to authorities. We will hear from a top
:16:05. > :16:07.intelligence analyst on whether he thinks the criticisms that some have
:16:08. > :16:08.issued on how the authorities are handling this information are
:16:09. > :16:25.reasonable. The first funeral of a victim of the
:16:26. > :16:35.Manchester attack has taken place on the Isle of Barra in the Outer
:16:36. > :16:38.Hebrides. The girl attended with her friend Laura MacIntyre, who remained
:16:39. > :16:50.seriously injured in hospital. Lorna Gordon reports.
:16:51. > :16:52.In this small island community, they said farewell.
:16:53. > :16:54.Eilidh MacLeod's father at the head of a dignified procession,
:16:55. > :16:58.family close behind as the coffin was passed gently from hand-to-hand.
:16:59. > :17:01.As a Gaelic song praising a fair-haired girl from Barra played
:17:02. > :17:12.Her family wanted Eilidh's funeral to be a celebration of her life -
:17:13. > :17:17.a young girl with an infectious personality who loved music,
:17:18. > :17:23.reading, and spending time with her friends.
:17:24. > :17:29.In contrast to the hate that took her life, Eilidh's life
:17:30. > :17:31.was a testament to the world of love, of innocence,
:17:32. > :17:54.Her influence lives on through all the lives that she ever touched.
:17:55. > :17:57.In this safe and gentle place, the grief of Eilidh's
:17:58. > :18:01.Her family said most of her happiest times were spent with friends
:18:02. > :18:08.They are glad to have her back home among those she loved so much.
:18:09. > :18:10.Then, a final journey across the causeway
:18:11. > :18:13.to a neighbouring island, is Eilidh was laid to rest
:18:14. > :18:16.to a neighbouring island, as Eilidh was laid to rest
:18:17. > :18:20.A beautiful girl, her parents said, who would stay eternally young,
:18:21. > :18:22.loved by all and forever in their hearts.
:18:23. > :19:02.A wet and windy night in central London, iron at the police cordon
:19:03. > :19:04.surrounding a large area affected by the Saturday night attack at London
:19:05. > :19:07.Bridge. The lead story... Police have named two of the three
:19:08. > :19:10.men who committed Saturday night's One of the attackers
:19:11. > :19:15.was Khuram Butt, who had featured in a TV documentary
:19:16. > :19:25.about Islamist extremism. As we discussed earlier, the big
:19:26. > :19:29.political issue of the day in the UK has surrounded police cuts, and
:19:30. > :19:34.whether those police cuts, overseen in part by Prime Minister Theresa
:19:35. > :19:38.May whilst she was Home Secretary, were appropriate. We've put that
:19:39. > :19:42.point to Professor Michael Clarke. Of the Royal United services
:19:43. > :19:47.Institute. This is where we go from phase one of the investigation to
:19:48. > :19:51.phase two. In phase one there is an immediate attempt by authorities to
:19:52. > :19:55.close the blog down. They want to keep the names of perpetrators to
:19:56. > :19:57.themselves so they can get around associates and make sure there is no
:19:58. > :20:05.one else there who they concerned with. In phase two, the press begin
:20:06. > :20:10.to get hold of the names, they have announced two names today. What they
:20:11. > :20:18.are saying to the public now, they bring them into it, tell us. Help us
:20:19. > :20:23.to understand what they were connected with, and where will take
:20:24. > :20:27.the rest of the investigation. I'm sure there are a lot of people in
:20:28. > :20:31.the UK watching and around the world shocked that someone in plain sight,
:20:32. > :20:36.who featured in a high-profile documentary, is then able to carry
:20:37. > :20:41.out an atrocity like this? I'm always asked in these cases whether
:20:42. > :20:46.it could have been prevented. Usually, the answer is no. But in
:20:47. > :20:52.the Manchester attack and in this case, the answer may be yes. There
:20:53. > :20:56.were red lights in the case of Khuram Butt, not in the other
:20:57. > :21:03.gentleman who was named so far. It looks as if there are indications
:21:04. > :21:07.that on the face of it, they may have been missed. Of grave concern.
:21:08. > :21:12.It bothers politicians, the Prime Minister is rumoured to be very
:21:13. > :21:15.angry at the fact intelligence services don't seem to recognise
:21:16. > :21:19.these flashing lights. The politicians, opposition Labour Party
:21:20. > :21:22.and Prime Minister engaged in arguments over police cuts and
:21:23. > :21:27.whether they impacted on the ability of police to spot this coming and
:21:28. > :21:34.respond to it. What is your analysis of that? A cut in police numbers is
:21:35. > :21:39.important for many reasons, counterterrorism is not one of them.
:21:40. > :21:43.The counterterror oppositions did in the UK but what they miss in cutting
:21:44. > :21:48.numbers of police on the beat is community intelligence. The fact
:21:49. > :21:51.that, as a policeman said to me not long ago, it is the local butcher
:21:52. > :21:55.having a chat with you, fellas on the high street telling you about
:21:56. > :22:02.this or that. It is community involvement on the police which
:22:03. > :22:05.feeds into not only terrorism that crime in general. The
:22:06. > :22:13.counterterrorism budget has been maintained and it is quite good.
:22:14. > :22:15.Six countries including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates
:22:16. > :22:18.and Egypt have cut diplomatic ties with the Gulf state of Qatar,
:22:19. > :22:21.Our Middle East regional editor Alan Johnston reports.
:22:22. > :22:30.The waters look calm enough, but the Qatari capital of Doha is at the
:22:31. > :22:39.centre of a diplomatic storm. This is how it broke. A Saudi TV channel
:22:40. > :22:44.announcing the kingdom's sudden decision to sever all diplomatic
:22:45. > :22:50.ties with Qatar. The Saudis had made sweeping allegations against their
:22:51. > :22:55.neighbours. They have reduced Qatar of being close to jihadis
:22:56. > :23:03.organisations across the United Emirates. Not only these but
:23:04. > :23:08.Al-Qaeda to. And for the Shia Muslim community in Saudi Arabia itself.
:23:09. > :23:12.Qatar categorically denies all of the allegations being made. It says
:23:13. > :23:20.it is the victim of a campaign to weaken the country. But the Saudis
:23:21. > :23:24.are not alone. Bahrain, the UAE, Egypt and other voices have joined
:23:25. > :23:32.the condemnation of what they say are Qatar's destabilising
:23:33. > :23:38.activities. Some air links have been cut. UAE's state-owned carrier
:23:39. > :23:42.Etihad will no longer fly to Qatar. Noble Saudi Arabia's airline. These
:23:43. > :23:50.moves against the Gulf state are a result of long simmering tensions.
:23:51. > :23:54.Since back in the days of the Arab Spring revolutions, the Qataris have
:23:55. > :23:59.often seemed out of step with their neighbours. They have tended to
:24:00. > :24:03.support Islamist groups, like the Muslim Brotherhood, which briefly
:24:04. > :24:07.held power after Egypt's revolt. The brotherhood is bitterly opposed by
:24:08. > :24:12.the current Egyptian leadership and the Saudis. President Trump has
:24:13. > :24:17.changed the atmosphere with his recent visit to Saudi. He signalled
:24:18. > :24:24.strongly that he supports the Gulf states in their fierce regional
:24:25. > :24:29.rivalry with Iran. But the Saudis, and the Iraqis, suspect that Carter
:24:30. > :24:35.is too close to Iranians. Now, they are intent on pulling their
:24:36. > :24:42.neighbours into line. -- Qatar. The USA is watching closely... I think
:24:43. > :24:47.what we are witnessing is a growing list of tensions that had been there
:24:48. > :24:51.for some time. They have bubbled to a level that countries have decided
:24:52. > :24:55.to take action in an effort to have those differences addressed. We
:24:56. > :24:57.certainly would encourage the parties to sit down together and
:24:58. > :25:05.address these differences. As for the last few hours, by the
:25:06. > :25:10.edge of the police cordoned surrounding this large area affected
:25:11. > :25:14.by Saturday night's attack, within it, what goes on trying to
:25:15. > :25:19.understand what happened and the work the attackers did in making
:25:20. > :25:23.their attack so terrible for its victims. On the outside you can see
:25:24. > :25:27.many flowers and people continue to pay their respects to those who lost
:25:28. > :25:29.their lives and those injured. Thank you for watching, I will see you
:25:30. > :25:31.tomorrow.