:00:08. > :00:12.Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.
:00:13. > :00:22.Some breaking news from Belgium, the central railway station in in
:00:23. > :00:26.Brussels has been evacuated after a small explosion.
:00:27. > :00:28.We start with another incident in the sky over Syria.
:00:29. > :00:31.The US coalition have shot down an Iranian made drone.
:00:32. > :00:33.This comes just a day after Russia said they would view
:00:34. > :00:36.The head of the UN is calling for calm.
:00:37. > :00:39.We hope that there will be a de-escalation of the situation,
:00:40. > :00:43.because these kinds of incidents can be very dangerous in a conflict
:00:44. > :00:50.The US has responded furiously to the death of Otto Warmbier -
:00:51. > :00:53.the American student held captive in North Korea and returned home
:00:54. > :01:02.The President has called it a disgrace.
:01:03. > :01:05.If he had been brought sooner, I think the result would have been a
:01:06. > :01:11.He should have been brought home that same day.
:01:12. > :01:13.And in Phoenix, Arizona, more than 40 flights have been grounded,
:01:14. > :01:25.because it's too hot for the planes to fly.
:01:26. > :01:33.Let's start in Brussels and look at some of the news copy coming into
:01:34. > :01:39.the BBC newsroom. A spokesman for the Belgian police has told the BBC
:01:40. > :01:44.a man triggered a small explosion in the central train station in
:01:45. > :01:48.Brussels. We are told the man was neutralised by military forces. No
:01:49. > :01:53.one else is believed to be injured and the police say the situation is
:01:54. > :01:58.under control. This is Brussels central station in the centre of the
:01:59. > :02:04.city. It has been evacuated and these are the pictures that we have
:02:05. > :02:07.coming in to the news room. From just outside the central station.
:02:08. > :02:15.You can see the area cordoned off. Only a few police officers inside.
:02:16. > :02:19.Let's bring in... In a minute we will bring in some more updates from
:02:20. > :02:22.our colleagues in Brussels. At the moment, the police are saying the
:02:23. > :02:27.situation is under control. One person who was at the centre of the
:02:28. > :02:32.incident has been neutralised, although we don't have a definition
:02:33. > :02:39.of neutralised from the police. They say the situation is under control.
:02:40. > :02:43.We believe this large train station has been evacuated.
:02:44. > :02:53.Aircraft shoots down armed Shaheed-129 pro-Syrian #UAV
:02:54. > :03:15."It displayed hostile intent and advanced on coalition forces."
:03:16. > :03:18.The coalition being referred to is the US and its allies.
:03:19. > :03:21.See all this in the context of the US shooting down
:03:22. > :03:24.And the Russians saying they would treat any
:03:25. > :03:27.Today they've accused the US coalition of "complicity
:03:28. > :03:31.We've also heard from the UN Secretary General.
:03:32. > :03:34.We hope that there will be a de-escalation of the situation,
:03:35. > :03:38.because these kinds of incidents can be very dangerous in a conflict
:03:39. > :03:41.situation in which there are so many actors and in which the
:03:42. > :03:43.situation is so complex on the ground.
:03:44. > :03:47.So indeed I'm concerned and I hope that this will not lead to
:03:48. > :03:58.any escalation of a conflict that is already as dramatic as it is.
:03:59. > :04:12.Sebastian Usher is the Syrian analyst.
:04:13. > :04:21.An Iranian made drone. The area where it happened on the border,
:04:22. > :04:25.Syria, Iraq and Jordan, is where the US is training force. Some going to
:04:26. > :04:28.fight in Iraq and other places. It has been the scene of several
:04:29. > :04:35.incidents like this. There was another drone the US shot down just
:04:36. > :04:41.a couple of weeks ago. So these are multiplying these incidents, where
:04:42. > :04:46.this takes us is to perhaps unchartered territories. This was
:04:47. > :04:51.the concern of Obama administration that the Syrian conflict could draw
:04:52. > :04:59.the US into direct conflict with Russia and Iran. We are beginning to
:05:00. > :05:03.see that happening. The Russians reacted strongly in one sense by
:05:04. > :05:10.saying the areas where their air force is operating, to the wefs of
:05:11. > :05:16.the the area is out-of-bounds. They will regard any flying object, any
:05:17. > :05:22.drone, any plane there, as a target potentially. So they're telling the
:05:23. > :05:29.Americans to stay on the other side of the river to the east, where is
:05:30. > :05:34.the Kurdish-led rebel forces who are taking the fight to Raqqa, that is
:05:35. > :05:38.the side they're on and it is a warning, we saw Australia pull out
:05:39. > :05:44.of coalition earlier today, because of that. Seeing that there is
:05:45. > :05:47.complications ahead. This is all about partly what is happening now
:05:48. > :05:53.and partly what happens after Isis goes. We are getting to the stage in
:05:54. > :05:59.the conflict where the division of Syria, the division of these areas
:06:00. > :06:04.which have been put to some extent in suspension by the fight has all
:06:05. > :06:12.been against IS and now having to be looked at more choice Klosely. What
:06:13. > :06:22.-- More closely. What time scale are we looking. After Isis has been
:06:23. > :06:26.forced out of its main areas in Raqqa and Mosul, Isis will still
:06:27. > :06:31.have areas it controls, but they won't be cities, they won't be
:06:32. > :06:36.towns, so those areas, if you look at a map of much of it is desert,
:06:37. > :06:42.the largest part of Syria is under Isis control. And you are looking at
:06:43. > :06:47.who gets those areas. You're seeing Syrian forces moving into those
:06:48. > :06:56.areas, looking to ensure they're not pushed out, that they have a say the
:06:57. > :06:59.Russians, the Iranians and the Turks are involved and invested in the
:07:00. > :07:03.future of Syria. This is what I think we are seeing the start of. It
:07:04. > :07:11.might escalate into something worse and might be kept at this level. We
:07:12. > :07:17.will have to see. Thank you. Now back to the dropping story in
:07:18. > :07:22.Brussels, a security incident at the central railway station. A lot of
:07:23. > :07:29.different information. Reuters quoting local media, police have
:07:30. > :07:34.neutralised the person wearing an explosive belt. The BBC heard from
:07:35. > :07:40.the Belgian federal police that a man had triggered a small explosion,
:07:41. > :07:43.he was neutralised, this word is being extensively used, because the
:07:44. > :07:50.police are using it, no one else is believed to be injured. CBS said
:07:51. > :07:57.explosion-like noises prompting an evacuation of the main square. These
:07:58. > :08:01.are pictures coming in. You can see armed police and a big area around
:08:02. > :08:06.the station has been cordoned off. The police are saying in interviews
:08:07. > :08:11.with the international media and local media that the situation is
:08:12. > :08:17.under control. Working on this story for the BBC in Brussels is Damian
:08:18. > :08:22.Grammaticas. I have gone through some of the basics of the story,
:08:23. > :08:27.what more are you hearing from the contacts talking to you there? What
:08:28. > :08:32.we have heard is from a witness who was at the scene in the train
:08:33. > :08:36.station. At the time of the incident. This was a gentleman who
:08:37. > :08:48.was trying to catch a train at the time. He saw the initial part of
:08:49. > :08:52.this incident. What he described was a small ignition so, something that
:08:53. > :08:57.caught fire. He was very clear, he said there was not an explosion or
:08:58. > :09:02.any pressure wave or anything that you would expect from that. This is
:09:03. > :09:08.someone with a military background, so he speaks from experience, he
:09:09. > :09:14.said, there was a small ignition, a bag or something that had been there
:09:15. > :09:19.in the station ignited. There were flames that erupted from it. He saw
:09:20. > :09:26.one person close to it at the time. But thought that person was a passer
:09:27. > :09:30.by. Somebody carrying what looked like a folded bike he thought. He
:09:31. > :09:34.moved away quickly from the scene. Left the area. He wasn't witness to
:09:35. > :09:40.any particular explosion. But he did see the a device that was possibly a
:09:41. > :09:48.device igniting. Possibly failing to explode. That is unconfirmed. What
:09:49. > :09:52.we then know is coming from the official police sources or the
:09:53. > :09:57.crisis centre, that the security forces, police and military, were
:09:58. > :10:04.quickly at the scene and there have been security forces deployed around
:10:05. > :10:10.the train stations. This is the central station. Ever since those
:10:11. > :10:16.attacks before. They moved quickly and the crisis centre said they had
:10:17. > :10:22.neutralised one person in connection with this incident. That is what we
:10:23. > :10:30.know. There was a slew of social media reports coming out in the
:10:31. > :10:35.immediate aftermath. Our witness told is happened at 8.44. He knew
:10:36. > :10:40.because he was catching a train. It was after that we saw police move
:10:41. > :10:46.in, lows close down the station and roads around it. Quickly bringing
:10:47. > :10:50.the area under control. And since then they have been, they have moved
:10:51. > :11:00.their perimeter, but they have had control of that whole area. I have
:11:01. > :11:05.seen tweets and references a suicide belt or an explosives belt. Can we
:11:06. > :11:13.confirm that detail? That I can't confirm, no. What we have heard from
:11:14. > :11:19.the crisis centre was this statement, that one person, the
:11:20. > :11:24.implication was this was somebody believed to be connected with the
:11:25. > :11:30.ignition or the flames that erupted. That that security force had
:11:31. > :11:34.neutralised a person, thought to be connected with this incident. So
:11:35. > :11:39.that is what we know officially at this stage. So I couldn't confirm
:11:40. > :11:46.more than that. Thank you very much. You know where we are if you find
:11:47. > :11:53.out any more. Of course I'm live with you with the BBC's news room in
:11:54. > :11:58.London. As and when we get more information on this, we will bring
:11:59. > :12:05.it to you. To reiterate, I will keep an eye on the news wires and the
:12:06. > :12:10.latest social media. Next we can speak to David Coburn, a Ukip MEP,
:12:11. > :12:18.live us with on the phone. Tell us what you know about this incident?
:12:19. > :12:25.I'm having dinner in a restaurant and people started running past in a
:12:26. > :12:28.panic. Quite a big panic. We all, we thought it might be some people
:12:29. > :12:34.armed or something like that. And they were panicking, saying
:12:35. > :12:39.terrorism and stuff like that. So I immediately ordered another bottle
:12:40. > :12:46.of wine. When in doubt. The next thing is we, they were saying
:12:47. > :12:52.that... The station had been closed off, but they said a 1930s Art Deco
:12:53. > :12:57.station and it is sort of underground. There is a mall and you
:12:58. > :13:01.go down. It is difficult to see what would have happened. You couldn't
:13:02. > :13:05.find out what happened inside. By that time the police had cordoned it
:13:06. > :13:11.off. We know the situation is under control at the moment, we are seeing
:13:12. > :13:14.pictures as I talk to you of police vehicles and ambulances on the
:13:15. > :13:19.scene. What is the situation like where you are, please? They have
:13:20. > :13:27.closed off a lot of car parks and such like in the Old Town and more
:13:28. > :13:32.or less seems to have been closed off. I live in the Old Town, so it
:13:33. > :13:38.is not such a problem. But other people are stuck here. There is a
:13:39. > :13:44.police helicopter flying about. Or I think it has stopped now. But
:13:45. > :13:51.they're taking it seriously. But the, Brussels for some time has been
:13:52. > :13:56.a bit like Belfast in the 1970s, not a good situation. When I was first
:13:57. > :13:59.here as an MEP you didn't have that nonsense and it was a fun and free
:14:00. > :14:07.and easy town. The it is not that way now. David, thank you. David
:14:08. > :14:12.Coburn, a Ukip member of the European Parliament who was close by
:14:13. > :14:16.to Brussels central station where this incident took place. Just to
:14:17. > :14:21.reiterate if you're turning on and these are some of the news wires
:14:22. > :14:28.coming into the BBC, we saw this coming in from colleagues in the BBC
:14:29. > :14:48.newsroom in Brussels, central railway station evacuated.
:14:49. > :14:56.Both our guests have said the level of security has increased in
:14:57. > :15:01.Brussels in the last 18 months. I will keep aBrest of this and as
:15:02. > :15:04.there are new develops I will bring them to you. Now a story that came
:15:05. > :15:08.through to us this time yesterday. Donald Trump has been speaking
:15:09. > :15:11.about the death of Otto Warmbier. This is the 22-year-old American
:15:12. > :15:13.student who died yesterday - after spending over a year
:15:14. > :15:17.in custody in North Korea. He'd returned to the US last
:15:18. > :15:20.week, but was in a coma. It's a total disgrace
:15:21. > :15:29.what happened to Otto. It should never ever have been
:15:30. > :15:33.allowed to happen and, frankly, if he had been brought sooner,
:15:34. > :15:37.I think the result would have been a He should have been brought
:15:38. > :15:40.home that same day. The result would have
:15:41. > :15:42.been a lot different. But what happened to
:15:43. > :15:56.Otto is a disgrace. Let's bring in Barbara Plett Usher.
:15:57. > :15:59.What efforts were made to get Otto Warmbier home. There was efforts
:16:00. > :16:07.since he was arrested and imprisoned. We know that, because
:16:08. > :16:10.that is the general way it happens, also because Otto's father talked
:16:11. > :16:15.about his contacts with the previous administration. He said they were
:16:16. > :16:22.told not to talk about it. But that is the way it was done. This case
:16:23. > :16:28.was different in term o's of what happened to Otto and the father felt
:16:29. > :16:31.if they had spoken out something more might have happened. We
:16:32. > :16:38.understood from the white House that President Trump told the secondary
:16:39. > :16:43.of state to prioritise getting the prisoners out of North Korea and
:16:44. > :16:49.there were discussions and through that process they discovered that
:16:50. > :16:53.Otto Warmbier was in a coma and agreed to be bring him home and the
:16:54. > :17:00.state department envoy went there and came back with him and there he
:17:01. > :17:05.met the others three, a face to face meeting the spokeswoman said. But
:17:06. > :17:09.bringing back Mr Warmbier, although they were happy to have him back, it
:17:10. > :17:16.was a tragedy with his death yesterday. When we talked, I pulled
:17:17. > :17:24.up a tweet from Donald Trump, he said s I appreciate the efforts of
:17:25. > :17:31.president Xi it has not worked. I know China tried. Sips we spoke --
:17:32. > :17:37.since we spoke, I have read some analysis of this tweet, trying to
:17:38. > :17:43.understand this, whether China got involved in trying to free Otto warm
:17:44. > :17:50.bear. I was referred to the White House. It is not clear whether he is
:17:51. > :17:56.referring to negotiations over Warmbier or the larger issue of
:17:57. > :18:04.dealing with North Korea's nuclear weapons. For Warmbier, all we have
:18:05. > :18:09.heard is by lateral negotiations, they haven't mentioned China. We
:18:10. > :18:11.know that there are going to be meetings tomorrow involving the
:18:12. > :18:18.Secretary of State and the Secretary of defence and high level counter
:18:19. > :18:22.parts from China to talk about security issues, but North Korea
:18:23. > :18:25.will be high on the list and officials said they had seen
:18:26. > :18:31.co-operation from China, although they were looking for more and they
:18:32. > :18:36.will be discussing for example North Korean entities that are sanctioned
:18:37. > :18:40.through the UN but work with China. But there is a feeling this is
:18:41. > :18:47.something we continue with and that hasn't changed. If he China has
:18:48. > :18:51.failed on the larger issue, that feeling is not reflected in the
:18:52. > :18:58.state department. Thank you. Stay us with. We are going to go back to
:18:59. > :19:01.America to look at Georgia, there is a congressional election that is
:19:02. > :19:15.turning into what most consider to be a referendum on Donald Trump.
:19:16. > :19:26.The duch has warned a deal to shore up Theresa May's -- DUP has warned a
:19:27. > :19:30.deal to shore up Theresa May Conservative Party Government is not
:19:31. > :19:32.iminnocents. Our correspondent said it is not clear what demands are
:19:33. > :19:43.preventing a deal. We can't be absolutely certain,
:19:44. > :19:46.what we do know is they have been looking for funding proposals
:19:47. > :19:48.for Northern Ireland, whether it be in health
:19:49. > :19:50.or education funding, or possibly aallowing Northern Ireland
:19:51. > :19:53.to cut its local rate of corporation tax to compete with the low rate
:19:54. > :19:55.south of the Irish border in
:19:56. > :19:57.the Irish Republic. It may well be there has been
:19:58. > :19:59.some resistance from the But beyond that the DUP
:20:00. > :20:04.have been complaining about what they claim
:20:05. > :20:05.is a chaotic approach by Downing Street
:20:06. > :20:09.to the negotiations and they say it certainly was not
:20:10. > :20:30.what they had expected. As you will know, our lead story has
:20:31. > :20:35.been that the Americans have shot down a pro-regime drone over Syria.
:20:36. > :20:41.But we have been covering this breaking story in Brussels, where
:20:42. > :20:45.there has been an incident at the central railway station. The police
:20:46. > :20:54.say a person has been neutralised and the situation is under control.
:20:55. > :20:56.Barclays and four former of its executives have
:20:57. > :21:00.This is over their actions in the 2008 financial crisis -
:21:01. > :21:02.and it's the first time criminal charges related to that
:21:03. > :21:07.period have been brought against a bank in the UK.
:21:08. > :21:10.You can find the charges online if you're really keen -
:21:11. > :21:21.Charged with criminal conduct, Barclays and four members
:21:22. > :21:23.of the bank's top brass, including former Chief Executive
:21:24. > :21:25.John Varley and former head of Barclays' Middle Eastern
:21:26. > :21:31.This is the first time senior executives of any British bank have
:21:32. > :21:33.faced criminal proceedings for their conduct during
:21:34. > :21:38.While the UK Government was busy using taxpayers money
:21:39. > :21:42.to rescue RBS and Lloyds, Barclays came here,
:21:43. > :21:46.to Qatar, for emergency cash to keep it afloat.
:21:47. > :21:49.In 2008, Barclays raised a total of ?12 billion
:21:50. > :21:51.from Middle Eastern investors, including Qatar Holding,
:21:52. > :22:00.There was a sweetener, ?332 million was paid to Qatar
:22:01. > :22:03.for advisory services, payments that weren't disclosed.
:22:04. > :22:06.Not only that, but Barclays lent ?2 billion to Qatar Holding
:22:07. > :22:10.allegedly to buy shares in Barclays, lending others money
:22:11. > :22:16.So why did Barclays turn down Government money?
:22:17. > :22:19.The Chief Executive at the time, and one of the people charged today,
:22:20. > :22:25.The circumstances were very far from normal.
:22:26. > :22:29.We needed speed, we needed certainty and we needed size.
:22:30. > :22:33.Looking back on, it I have to say, given the extreme fragility
:22:34. > :22:36.of the sentiment in the markets at that time, I'm very glad indeed
:22:37. > :22:39.that we managed to raise the capital that we did raise at that time.
:22:40. > :22:43.Government ministers at the time have a different explanation.
:22:44. > :22:45.Barclays did not want to have anything to do
:22:46. > :22:51.I believe that was partly because of a political view
:22:52. > :22:53.that this would look like creeping nationalisation and also,
:22:54. > :22:56.quite frankly, because the UK Government's money came with quite
:22:57. > :23:04.Now, if it's proven that crimes were committed here to some it
:23:05. > :23:06.still won't be clear who the victims were.
:23:07. > :23:10.The taxpayer didn't have to shell out.
:23:11. > :23:14.Shareholders in Barclays did better than shareholders in RBS or Lloyds,
:23:15. > :23:19.but others will say rules are rules and if this approach of prosecuting
:23:20. > :23:22.individuals as well as institutions helps change a stubborn culture
:23:23. > :23:24.throughout banking of not following those rules then
:23:25. > :23:30.Now we're starting to move to a more American approach where individuals
:23:31. > :23:33.are in the frame for doing things wrong within the business world.
:23:34. > :23:37.That is likely to concentrate people's minds and make
:23:38. > :23:40.them think about - is what I'm about to do a really
:23:41. > :23:44.sensible thing if it's going to be me standing in the dock?
:23:45. > :23:46.Fraud convictions can carry sentences of up to ten years,
:23:47. > :23:56.Richard Boath, have said they will defend
:23:57. > :24:00.John Varley is yet to comment and Barclays the company said
:24:01. > :24:16.Let's return to a developing story in Brussels, concerning an incident
:24:17. > :24:20.at the central railway station. These are pictures coming into the
:24:21. > :24:24.BBC at the moment, you can see police present, the whole area has
:24:25. > :24:30.been cordoned off. A lot of copy coming into the BBC newsroom as
:24:31. > :24:34.well. This is the Brussels prosecutor's office, saying there
:24:35. > :24:40.appears to be no civilian injuries or deaths. The AP news agency
:24:41. > :24:49.telling us that. This is from the BBC in Brussels, they have spoken to
:24:50. > :24:55.the police who, say a man triggered a small explosion in a train
:24:56. > :25:00.station. The man was neutralised by military forces and we shouldn't be
:25:01. > :25:03.surprised there was armed police presence, because of recent attacks.
:25:04. > :25:07.There is a reasonable security presence all the time. It says no
:25:08. > :25:13.one else is believed to have been injured and the police say the
:25:14. > :25:21.situation is under control. If you look under these bits of wire copy,
:25:22. > :25:29.that message is being repeated, the police saying is it is not an
:25:30. > :25:34.ongoing situation. A man has been neutralised, to use the police's
:25:35. > :25:39.words. Although they haven't expand what had they mean by that. All they
:25:40. > :25:42.say is that the city's main train station is empty and has been ehave
:25:43. > :25:46.been aing waited the but the situation is -- evacuated, but the
:25:47. > :25:52.situation is under control. We will keep monitoring this and I will be
:25:53. > :25:54.back with another half an hour of Outside Source in a couple of
:25:55. > :26:14.minutes' time. A look at some weather stories from
:26:15. > :26:19.around the word. A lot of activity in Africa with a lot of thunder
:26:20. > :26:21.storms is that have drifted across the