:00:09. > :00:14.Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source live
:00:15. > :00:22.May says EU citizens who have been in the UK for five years will be
:00:23. > :00:29.Its her first appearance in Brussels since she failed to secure
:00:30. > :00:40.a majority in the UK election two weeks ago.
:00:41. > :00:54.How are you? All the important leaders from the EU are in town.
:00:55. > :00:55.They are not just talking about Brexit, but migration and jobs are
:00:56. > :00:57.on the agenda. We'll have an exclusive report from
:00:58. > :01:00.Mosul after Islamic State militants Iraq's Prime Minister
:01:01. > :01:03.says it's a declaration If there are any details, we will
:01:04. > :01:40.give them to you as best we can. Lee has just set me a message
:01:41. > :01:45.saying, will the British living abroad be subject to the same
:01:46. > :01:49.rights? We cannot say that at the moment. Theresa May the Rose
:01:50. > :01:54.released a proposal to the European Union. There has been no deal
:01:55. > :01:58.between the UK and EU. For the British government has said is they
:01:59. > :02:06.want to have a generous and reciprocal arrangement but the
:02:07. > :02:11.details of what rights EU citizens may have. Paul asks, what was the
:02:12. > :02:18.arrangement? The dinner featured Theresa May for a while. Michel
:02:19. > :02:21.Barnier, the EU's chief Brexit negotiator would come in and briefed
:02:22. > :02:26.the other countries on how this Brexit negotiations are going. After
:02:27. > :02:30.that, we are expecting a briefing. At some point, this building and
:02:31. > :02:33.briefing rooms around will fill up with EU leaders who will tell us
:02:34. > :02:35.what they made of the dinner and what Theresa May said. Keep those
:02:36. > :02:37.questions coming. If you've got any questions,
:02:38. > :02:50.send them to #BBCOS. For the first time in a while,
:02:51. > :02:53.there is an air of optimism That sentiment was clear in an open
:02:54. > :02:57.letter written by European Council President Donald Tusk ahead
:02:58. > :02:59.of today's meeting. In it, he said, "We are witnessing
:03:00. > :03:02.the return of the EU rather as a solution,
:03:03. > :03:15.not a problem." The 80th European Council in which I
:03:16. > :03:20.have participated as Prime Minister. But never before have I had such a
:03:21. > :03:27.strong belief that things are going better. Our optimism should still be
:03:28. > :03:30.extremely cautious, but we have good reasons to talk about it.
:03:31. > :03:33.A lot of the positivity has to do with this man,
:03:34. > :03:41.His defeat of Marine Le Pen in the French election earlier this
:03:42. > :03:54.year stemmed the tide of nationalist sentiment sweeping Europe.
:03:55. > :04:01.He is a staunch and passionate defender of the European Union and
:04:02. > :04:03.has visions of what this institution is to become. He has been telling a
:04:04. > :04:11.lot of people ahead of the summit. He's held interviews with no less
:04:12. > :04:13.than eight European newspapers, With me now is Ulrich Ladurner,
:04:14. > :04:27.De Zeit Brussells correspondent, Before we talk about Mr Macron, your
:04:28. > :04:33.reaction to what Theresa May has said about EU citizens? It is not a
:04:34. > :04:39.place to negotiate about Brexit. Michel Barnier mentioned proposals
:04:40. > :04:45.but I cannot comment on that because it is an issue with him. One thing I
:04:46. > :04:50.found that was missing from Theresa May's comments during dinner was
:04:51. > :04:56.what would happen to the jurisdiction of the European Court
:04:57. > :04:59.of Justice, something the EU is looking to have, overseeing citizen
:05:00. > :05:06.'s rights. That will be contagious issue. When it comes to President
:05:07. > :05:12.Macron, I have seen Francois Hollande hit a few times. He did not
:05:13. > :05:17.generate excitement at seeing Mr Macron arrived, the atmosphere was
:05:18. > :05:22.different. There is a lot of expectations from Emmanuel Macron.
:05:23. > :05:25.There could be a momentum again from the German and French border of the
:05:26. > :05:30.EU. But it still remains to be seen whether that will kick in again
:05:31. > :05:36.bring results. From the German point of view, Macron is very welcome. He
:05:37. > :05:41.is a strong president, he won a huge victory in the elections, and now we
:05:42. > :05:47.have to see his ideas on how they work-out. There is a lot of
:05:48. > :05:51.preparedness in Germany to work with him. One of the issues he sees, and
:05:52. > :05:58.encrypt the grated Europe is a good thing, but there are countries like
:05:59. > :06:02.Denmark or not persuaded. -- integrated. There is a possibility
:06:03. > :06:10.for them, but member states not poster that. Chancellor Merkel
:06:11. > :06:13.talked about wanting to have a stronger integrated Europe.
:06:14. > :06:19.President Macron will meet all other sceptic countries like Eastern
:06:20. > :06:23.Europe tomorrow morning, so we will see how well he does convincing
:06:24. > :06:29.them. I think Merkel Macron are clear that they want to go on ahead
:06:30. > :06:36.with integration, the Eurozone, defence and security, nobody will be
:06:37. > :06:41.excluded. I do not think it is a second time. Two years ago, I was
:06:42. > :06:44.standing in the sun in Athens, talking about the huge pressures on
:06:45. > :06:50.the Eurozone and the Greek economy because of its national debt. Have
:06:51. > :06:55.those core problems been removed or are they just out of sight for the
:06:56. > :06:59.moment? Definitely not removed. Greece is a small country but 3% of
:07:00. > :07:08.GDP of the EU is Greece. The bigger problem is Italy. Next autumn, it
:07:09. > :07:13.will be a huge problem. Italy might come back as a huge problem and
:07:14. > :07:22.politically there will be elections and a 5-star movement could upset
:07:23. > :07:27.the political establishment. We will take a break from European politics
:07:28. > :07:29.but you are very welcome to keep those questions coming.
:07:30. > :07:30.Mosul's famous landmark, the leaning minaret,
:07:31. > :07:33.was missing from the skyline for the first time in eight
:07:34. > :07:44.centuries today, flattened by so-called Islamic State.
:07:45. > :07:46.This was Mosul less than 24 hours ago.
:07:47. > :07:52.This is a satellite image of Mosul now.
:07:53. > :07:55.As you can see, the destruction is considerable.
:07:56. > :07:58.Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi called the destruction
:07:59. > :08:02.of the al-Nuri Mosque an official declaration of defeat by IS.
:08:03. > :08:10.An amatuer recording captures a key moment
:08:11. > :08:12.in the collapse of the caliphate - the destruction of the al-Nuri
:08:13. > :08:18.mosque and its landmark leaning minaret.
:08:19. > :08:22.Now rubble remains in place of one of Iraq's great treasures,
:08:23. > :08:28.Iraq's Prime Minister says in destroying the mosque
:08:29. > :08:35.so-called IS has officially admitted defeat here.
:08:36. > :08:38.The BBC's Arabic service managed to film the al-Nuri mosque just
:08:39. > :08:44.These are probably the last images of the minaret still intact,
:08:45. > :08:54.It was inside, at the pulpit, that the IS leader,
:08:55. > :08:58.Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, proclaimed himself leader
:08:59. > :09:17.Iraqi forces are hunting them down, street by street, house by house.
:09:18. > :09:20.But the troops are facing fierce resistance - the militants
:09:21. > :09:30.As they make their last stand, civilians are fleeing the city -
:09:31. > :09:35.But for many, like this man, it is a struggle
:09:36. > :09:42."May God oppose the militants," he said.
:09:43. > :09:52.The destruction of the mosque is not the end of the fight
:09:53. > :09:56.But Iraqi military sources say they hope they can now
:09:57. > :09:58.advance more swiftly, closing in on the last
:09:59. > :10:04.They say IS is down to just a few hundred men, and they are hemmed
:10:05. > :10:16.Orla Guerin, BBC News, western Mosul.
:10:17. > :10:23.Welcome back here to the European Union. We are getting so many
:10:24. > :10:27.questions about this announcement from Theresa May that EU citizens in
:10:28. > :10:32.the UK who have been in the UK for five years will be able to remain in
:10:33. > :10:37.the UK beyond the point that the UK exits the EU. John says, does this
:10:38. > :10:41.five years mean before the Brexit vote and will everyone else be
:10:42. > :10:45.deported? We do not know the exact cut-off dates although we know the
:10:46. > :10:51.UK Government is targeting a date somewhere between when Article 50
:10:52. > :10:56.was triggered in the UK is scheduled to leave the EU. Regarding anyone an
:10:57. > :11:00.deported, we have no details on that. Rahman says, how will
:11:01. > :11:07.cross-border security issues be tackled? We will turn to that issue
:11:08. > :11:12.and how Brexit fits into that in a few minutes. The short answer is, we
:11:13. > :11:15.don't know, but I spoke to the Prime Minister of Belgium earlier and I
:11:16. > :11:20.asked him if he was concerned about this and he said, we can have smart
:11:21. > :11:25.cooperation once Brexit occurs. There is a willingness to make it
:11:26. > :11:30.work. Ali says, what is EU status mean? Regarding citizens, it means
:11:31. > :11:35.if you are a citizen of a European Union country other than the UK and
:11:36. > :11:41.have been in the UK for five years, you will be able to remain beyond
:11:42. > :11:46.Brexit. EU status means if you are a member of the European country not
:11:47. > :11:52.the UK regarding what Theresa May has been saying. I will get more of
:11:53. > :11:57.your questions in a minute. We will also talk about security and defence
:11:58. > :11:59.regarding the European Union because those are issues which are coming up
:12:00. > :12:08.a great deal. An independent review has found that
:12:09. > :12:11.senior figures in the Church of England helped to hide historical
:12:12. > :12:16.sexual abuse by a former bishop. Here's our religious affairs
:12:17. > :12:18.correspondent, Martin Bashir. Charismatic and ambitious,
:12:19. > :12:27.Peter Ball, like his twin brother Michael had been a bishop
:12:28. > :12:29.in the Church of England. Their joint achievement
:12:30. > :12:31.being heralded on But in 1993, Peter Ball was forced
:12:32. > :12:39.to stand down as Bishop of Gloucester after accepting a caution
:12:40. > :12:42.for gross indecency. Despite his admission,
:12:43. > :12:45.he continued officiating in churches and several
:12:46. > :12:46.public schools. A second police
:12:47. > :12:54.investigation led to him being jailed at the Old Bailey in
:12:55. > :12:58.2015 for abusing 18 adolescents and Today's review, entitled an abuse
:12:59. > :13:05.of faith, says the Church colluded with Peter Ball instead of
:13:06. > :13:09.being concerned for the welfare of They didn't follow any proper
:13:10. > :13:16.process in considering the They approached it
:13:17. > :13:24.again confused by the sense of Peter Ball being
:13:25. > :13:28.fundamentally innocent. One of the witnesses
:13:29. > :13:30.says this review should provoke immediate change
:13:31. > :13:35.to Church practice. I think the Church has
:13:36. > :13:37.demonstrated it can no longer be I think safeguarding in the Church
:13:38. > :13:45.needs to be in dependent of the Church and I think
:13:46. > :13:47.safeguarding should be nationalised and overseen
:13:48. > :13:51.by an external body. The most striking revelation
:13:52. > :13:55.in today's report concerns several letters that were sent
:13:56. > :13:57.here to Lambeth Palace by victims of Peter Ball
:13:58. > :14:03.in the early-1990s. Then Archbishop of Canterbury George
:14:04. > :14:06.Carey chose not to pass those Today, Lord Carey
:14:07. > :14:11.apologised, saying he Lord Carey has been
:14:12. > :14:18.asked by the current Archbishop, Justin Welby, to step
:14:19. > :14:21.down from his position as honorary The Church of England says
:14:22. > :14:26.that safeguarding will Martin Beshir, BBC News,
:14:27. > :14:45.at Church House in London. We're live from the EU
:14:46. > :15:00.summit in Brussels. There is still a hubbub here because
:15:01. > :15:04.many EU leaders remain in the building. Theresa May has actually
:15:05. > :15:08.left but has made a proposal to those leaders saying EU citizens
:15:09. > :15:11.living in the UK for five years will have the right to remain in the UK
:15:12. > :15:25.when the point of Brexit is reached. The economy is also a big issue,
:15:26. > :15:32.migration is a big issue, but so is security. Just in the last week,
:15:33. > :15:37.there have been terror attacks in London, Paris and Brussels.
:15:38. > :15:40.On Tuesday, a man set off a bomb at the central train station before
:15:41. > :15:57.The threat of Islamist extremism and terrorism is front and centre in the
:15:58. > :16:00.minds of EU leaders. The leaders have talked
:16:01. > :16:02.about the progress they've made fighting Islamic state and have
:16:03. > :16:04.already agreed to tougher checks on people arriving
:16:05. > :16:07.at the EU's external borders, to boost co-operation with countries
:16:08. > :16:09.in the Middle East and Africa, and to improve intelligence
:16:10. > :16:19.sharing on terror suspects. What impact will
:16:20. > :16:28.Brexit have on that? There have been plenty of warnings
:16:29. > :16:31.like this one from former British deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg,
:16:32. > :16:33.last month, "Theresa May's "extreme approach to Brexit
:16:34. > :16:35.will have the direct consequence "of severing our ties
:16:36. > :16:50.to a fantastically useful weapon The UK Government rejects that
:16:51. > :16:53.analysis. I spoke to the Prime Minister of Belgium earlier who said
:16:54. > :16:55.a good functioning relationship on this issue should be possible.
:16:56. > :17:00.I spoke to Giulia Paravicini from Politico Europe.
:17:01. > :17:10.You will be incredibly penalised by Britain leaving the EU. Britain is
:17:11. > :17:14.one of the top four contributors to some of the key databases on crime,
:17:15. > :17:24.terrorist fighters and therefore, once it leaves, and is Amber Rudd,
:17:25. > :17:28.it takes away its data from the platforms, EU and UK citizens will
:17:29. > :17:31.find themselves less safe. But with the UK not be able to share that
:17:32. > :17:37.information and pull funding, even if it was outside the EU? So far,
:17:38. > :17:45.there is no precedent for this. One problem is to be part of Europe all,
:17:46. > :17:48.the UK would have the recognise the jurisdiction of the European Court
:17:49. > :17:56.of Justice, not something they are keen on. The other issue is that the
:17:57. > :18:02.only country that has so far wide agreement and access to the
:18:03. > :18:07.database, despite having opted out on Justice and home of the issues,
:18:08. > :18:13.is Denmark, and the axis they have is minimal, so how will the UK have
:18:14. > :18:17.complete access to the database? It will be very challenging. The UK is
:18:18. > :18:23.one of the most valuable and trusted partners when it comes to security
:18:24. > :18:27.to the EU, so maybe they will get a special deal. I am getting deja vu
:18:28. > :18:33.with some of these policies. After the Paris attacks, there was talk of
:18:34. > :18:36.better cooperation, after the Brussels airport attack, there was
:18:37. > :18:43.talk of better cooperation, why is it not happening already?
:18:44. > :18:47.Intelligence sharing and information is still treated as a precious
:18:48. > :18:55.commodity that states trade on a bilateral level and are very jealous
:18:56. > :19:00.of. And why should I give you all in the way near or Slovenia, minor
:19:01. > :19:04.countries, when I do not get anything in return? It is not done
:19:05. > :19:08.in an automatic way and there is not the political willingness to share
:19:09. > :19:15.more. And who in the end ends up being affected by this other
:19:16. > :19:19.citizens. Welcome back to the European Council here in Brussels.
:19:20. > :19:24.What has been striking, covering not just this summit and the build-up to
:19:25. > :19:29.it, but also the UK election, is where ever we have been, whether on
:19:30. > :19:32.the beach in Cornwall or talking to the Prime Minister of the
:19:33. > :19:36.Netherlands, everyone is saying they would like more information on
:19:37. > :19:41.Brexit, and that has been brought up by the number of questions you are
:19:42. > :19:46.sending in. There is a thirst just to know what is. The race. It is one
:19:47. > :19:52.of the things we saw in the recent election campaign. There is a lot of
:19:53. > :19:55.rhetoric but very little detail about what Brexit might mean in
:19:56. > :19:59.practice and about some of the compromises that will have to be
:20:00. > :20:05.made on the UK side and the EU side if we are to get a decent deal for
:20:06. > :20:08.everyone. I do feel we have not necessarily had an honest debate
:20:09. > :20:14.about Brexit yet maybe it is time to start. Matt wants to say, I thought
:20:15. > :20:17.we were supposed to not get a running commentary on Brexit
:20:18. > :20:25.negotiations, so why is this been made public? The formal negotiating
:20:26. > :20:28.route is between Michel Barnier and David Davis and the teams. Theresa
:20:29. > :20:34.May wanted to come here make a statement when she was with other EU
:20:35. > :20:39.leaders but earlier this Donald Tusk said this is not how we negotiate,
:20:40. > :20:46.we have our negotiators to do this, the European Council is not the
:20:47. > :20:49.right place. But Mrs Mabel have made the intervention, everyone will have
:20:50. > :20:54.listened politely and then moved on. Ali says, does that mean EU citizens
:20:55. > :21:00.who have not been in the UK for five years may have to go? This is just a
:21:01. > :21:03.British proposal. We have already had detailed proposals from the
:21:04. > :21:07.European Union suggesting all EU citizens living in the UK should
:21:08. > :21:12.have the same rights they have while Britain is in the EU. What we don't
:21:13. > :21:19.yet know is when a cut-off date may be. The British proposals are
:21:20. > :21:25.sometime between the day we triggered Article 50 and the day we
:21:26. > :21:29.are due to leave. I suspect it will end up being March 2019 because if
:21:30. > :21:33.you made March 2017, it would mean people arriving in the last couple
:21:34. > :21:38.of months would have to leave. We are getting more questions on this
:21:39. > :21:43.than anything else. Raj asks, what dates for five years run from? We
:21:44. > :21:49.honestly do not know that yet. At the moment, you have to be a
:21:50. > :21:54.resident for five years to be a permanent resident. Anyone in the UK
:21:55. > :21:58.on the cut-off date, whenever that may be, I suspect it will end up
:21:59. > :22:03.being the day we leave the European Union, will be eligible to take part
:22:04. > :22:06.in this scheme. This is just a British proposal. The EU has a more
:22:07. > :22:12.detailed proposal out there already in the squad to be some compromise
:22:13. > :22:15.between the two. Do you think the UK Government is risking a surgeon
:22:16. > :22:22.migration into the UK when it announces there could be a cut-off
:22:23. > :22:26.point? That is unlikely. People know that the EU is leaving already and
:22:27. > :22:35.what we have seen in the last year is that net migration from the
:22:36. > :22:40.European Union in 2016 has fallen considerably and fewer people have
:22:41. > :22:43.been coming from eastern Europe, but the biggest single difference is
:22:44. > :22:47.that quite a lot of EU citizens have been in the UK and have upped and
:22:48. > :22:51.left. Numbers are coming down already. It is unlikely that there
:22:52. > :22:58.will be a big surge because we have seen anecdotal evidence that Polish
:22:59. > :23:03.fruit pickers are thinking, if I will not be made to feel welcome in
:23:04. > :23:08.the UK, I can pick fruit in Germany instead, and that is particularly
:23:09. > :23:12.also because of the currency issue, they get less bang for their buck
:23:13. > :23:17.now because of the way the pound has fallen since the referendum took
:23:18. > :23:21.place. We have had a significant announcement on defence with the EU
:23:22. > :23:23.looking to broaden it much more closely on that issue. What is the
:23:24. > :23:34.argument in favour of this great integration? More effective, save
:23:35. > :23:38.more money. EU countries tend to do the defence planning and research on
:23:39. > :23:42.their own. If they have a union in so many other things, why not
:23:43. > :23:47.combine and be more efficient in that way? There is also the bigger
:23:48. > :23:53.geopolitical point, most of us are members of Nato, do we rely on a
:23:54. > :23:57.United States under Donald Trump indefinitely or is this the kind
:23:58. > :24:00.that Europe needs to take more responsibility for its own defence?
:24:01. > :24:05.Summer that will be done within Nato but Germany and France in particular
:24:06. > :24:09.wanted more EU defence capability and with the UK on its way out,
:24:10. > :24:15.there is more political will to get that done. Give us an idea of the
:24:16. > :24:22.chronology from this point onwards. Right now, the 27 leaders without
:24:23. > :24:27.Theresa May are discussing the fate of two EU agencies, the banking
:24:28. > :24:31.authority and the medicines agency, in the UK and will have to be
:24:32. > :24:35.relocated elsewhere, then they will meet again tomorrow to talk mainly
:24:36. > :24:42.about the economy. In the end, that is one of the big issues behind all
:24:43. > :24:48.the drama on Brexit and refugees. So they could appear at any point? The
:24:49. > :24:54.code. Thank you very much for all your questions. I will be on Twitter
:24:55. > :24:59.in a couple of minutes if you want to talk to me there. Goodbye from
:25:00. > :25:01.all of us here in the European Council in Brussels.