:00:14. > :00:15.start of a resurgence of summer? Or have more in the next hour. Hello,
:00:16. > :00:20.and Philippa Thomas, this is outside source. In Sierra Leone at least 400
:00:21. > :00:23.people have died in mudslides and massive flooding. The president says
:00:24. > :00:34.urgent support is needed and there are fears that the number of dead
:00:35. > :00:38.could rise. Trying to sort the helicopters and, more have been
:00:39. > :00:46.brought in, this is a disaster. It's absolutely unprecedented. Also on
:00:47. > :00:49.the show more White has intrigued as reports circulated that one of the
:00:50. > :00:53.President's top advisers might be on his way out but it's not all bad
:00:54. > :00:58.news for the US president, Kim Jong and says he will hold fire on the
:00:59. > :01:02.North Korea's proposal to shoot missiles on the US territory of Guam
:01:03. > :01:07.and some give the Trump administration credit. I think a lot
:01:08. > :01:12.of it has to do not only with the strong statements made by our
:01:13. > :01:19.president but also statements made by secretary Rex to listen and James
:01:20. > :01:24.Mattis. Setting off into uncharted waters, we will talk to the team on
:01:25. > :01:43.board. And to get in touch at any time the hashtag is BBC OS.
:01:44. > :01:51.Welcome to Outside Source. In Sierra Leone, in the capital, Freetown, at
:01:52. > :01:54.least 400 people have been killed by mudslides and massive flooding. The
:01:55. > :02:00.situation is so dire that a mass burial of victims is planned to free
:02:01. > :02:04.up space in mortuary. This is part of Sugarloaf mountain which
:02:05. > :02:10.collapsed following heavy rain early on Monday. It involved summoning
:02:11. > :02:15.arms. The president says the country needs urgent support now. Umaru
:02:16. > :02:23.Fofana is in Freetown and sent this report. On the day after, the
:02:24. > :02:27.emergency services are still overstretched. Inside the central
:02:28. > :02:31.mortuary of the main hospital, piles of bodies. They are lying on the
:02:32. > :02:35.floor in the open because there is no more space. Almost 100 bodies
:02:36. > :02:41.were brought in on Tuesday morning, bringing the total to nearly 400,
:02:42. > :02:45.some of them without limbs. The head of the mortuary says they are
:02:46. > :02:50.overstretched and that is not all as they were trying to sort the copters
:02:51. > :02:54.out, more have been brought in from different parts of the city. Even
:02:55. > :02:59.the rescue effort is challenged, people are believed to still be
:03:00. > :03:03.alive underneath this soil but even if they are it will be a miracle to
:03:04. > :03:06.find them breathing. The government and developing partners have now set
:03:07. > :03:09.up a response Centre registering those left behind by the disaster,
:03:10. > :03:15.yet relief supplies are slow in coming. But the testimonies from
:03:16. > :03:24.those badly hit by this disaster are in no short supply.
:03:25. > :03:27.TRANSLATION: I first saw the body of my sister and called on
:03:28. > :03:30.people to help me and we laid her on the floor.
:03:31. > :03:32.Then I started hearing other people nearby crying.
:03:33. > :03:36.Monday's mudslide and flash floods have shaken this country.
:03:37. > :03:38.Even for a country that has known a bloody civil war and
:03:39. > :03:48.a destabilising Ebola outbreak, this is unbearable.
:03:49. > :03:56.Umaru is one of those asking if this tragedy could have been prevented.
:03:57. > :04:00.This is from his latest Facebook blog about how he felt having to
:04:01. > :04:05.report this. This quote caught my eye. Yes, the floods and mudslides
:04:06. > :04:09.were caused by nature but they could have been avoided or at least
:04:10. > :04:19.mitigated. If we had the environment, the environment will
:04:20. > :04:22.fight back. Earlier, the BBC spoke to Ramatu Jalloh, who is with Save
:04:23. > :04:26.the Children in Freetown. She said more about the situation the
:04:27. > :04:31.rescuers were in. I think it's a great challenge, it up and totally
:04:32. > :04:35.beyond expectations and in terms of the gravity of this situation for
:04:36. > :04:40.Freetown and Sierra Leone right now it was beyond our expectations. In
:04:41. > :04:45.terms of preparedness the government has put certain systems in place to
:04:46. > :04:48.deal with the situation but as I say it was beyond what we were
:04:49. > :04:53.expecting. We were expecting floods and I think plans were in place to
:04:54. > :04:59.deal with floods and possibly the scenarios that would emerge from a
:05:00. > :05:05.flood situation but never a disaster as large as this. It is, I think,
:05:06. > :05:08.beyond what we ever sought when it comes to flooding. I think no one
:05:09. > :05:13.really expected a mudslide particularly in the area where it
:05:14. > :05:21.occurred. And just seeing the gravity of the site with a mudslide
:05:22. > :05:25.took place, it's an absolute shock. At the moment we are estimating
:05:26. > :05:35.thousands of families displaced, it is estimated at about 3000 families
:05:36. > :05:40.displaced, half of which are children, some are placed in
:05:41. > :05:44.community centres and schools and we hope the weather holds because some
:05:45. > :05:48.families at home to try to clean up the sledge and dream of stagnant
:05:49. > :05:54.water to make their homes have it all. A lot of these families have
:05:55. > :05:59.lost everything, so the situation is desperate -- to make their homes
:06:00. > :06:02.habitable. We are trying to respond to the emergency as soon as possible
:06:03. > :06:06.and of course the Health Secretary is looking at cholera preparedness
:06:07. > :06:11.and other sectors are looking at psychosocial and other support for
:06:12. > :06:14.families and children but right now, to be honest, we all in a really
:06:15. > :06:31.shocked situation, all trying to get on top this.
:06:32. > :06:34.The fallout over Donald Trump's response to violence during a far
:06:35. > :06:38.right rally at the weekend has continued and the blowtorch is now
:06:39. > :06:40.on this man, chief White House strategist,
:06:41. > :06:44.A number of media outlets in the US have reported Mr Bannon -
:06:45. > :06:46.the former editor of right-wing website Breitbart -
:06:47. > :06:52.Donald Trump is giving a press conference, let's go there now. I
:06:53. > :06:59.brought it, I brought it, I brought it. As I said, and remember, the
:07:00. > :07:03.Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this
:07:04. > :07:08.egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in
:07:09. > :07:12.America. And then I went on from there, now here's the thing, excuse
:07:13. > :07:17.me, take it nice and easy. Here's the thing. When I make a statement
:07:18. > :07:22.like to be correct. I want the facts. This event just happened. A
:07:23. > :07:27.lot of the events didn't even happen yet, as we were speaking. This event
:07:28. > :07:31.just happened. Before I make a statement I need the facts. So I
:07:32. > :07:36.don't want to rush into a statement. So making the statement when I made
:07:37. > :07:41.it was excellent. In fact the young woman, who I here's a fantastic
:07:42. > :07:48.young woman and was on NBC, her mother wrote me and said, through, I
:07:49. > :07:52.guess Twitter, social media, the nicest things. I very much
:07:53. > :07:57.appreciated that. I hear that she was fine, actually an incredible
:07:58. > :08:02.young woman. Her mother on Twitter thanked me for what I said. And
:08:03. > :08:06.honestly, if the press were not fake and if it was honest, the press
:08:07. > :08:12.would have said what I said was very nice. But unlike you... Excuse me,
:08:13. > :08:20.unlike the media, before I make a statement like to know the facts.
:08:21. > :08:33.They don't. They don't. They don't. How about a couple of... Mr Trump,
:08:34. > :08:38.was that terrorism, that event? You offered to bring the country
:08:39. > :08:43.together, did you? You take a look, I've created over 1 million jobs
:08:44. > :08:47.since I've become president. The country's booming, the stock market
:08:48. > :08:49.is setting records. We have the highest employment numbers we've
:08:50. > :08:52.ever had in the history of this country, we are doing wreck and
:08:53. > :08:58.business, we have the highest levels of enthusiasm. The head of all Mart,
:08:59. > :09:07.a very nice guy, was making a political statement. -- the head of
:09:08. > :09:12.Walmart. I want to make sure, when I make a statement, that the statement
:09:13. > :09:18.is correct. And there was no way, there was no way of making a correct
:09:19. > :09:23.statement that early. I had to see the facts, unlike a lot of
:09:24. > :09:29.reporters... I didn't know David Duke was there. I wanted to see the
:09:30. > :09:34.facts. And the facts as they started coming out, were very well stated.
:09:35. > :09:37.In fact everybody said, his statement was beautiful, if he would
:09:38. > :09:42.have made it sooner that would have been good. I could not have made its
:09:43. > :09:47.sooner because I didn't know all of the facts. Frankly people still
:09:48. > :09:52.don't know all the facts. It is very important, excuse me, it was very
:09:53. > :09:56.important to me to get the facts out and correctly. Because if I would
:09:57. > :10:00.have made the first statement and the first statement was made without
:10:01. > :10:06.knowing much other than what we were seeing. The second statement was
:10:07. > :10:10.made with knowledge, with great knowledge. There are still things
:10:11. > :10:17.people don't know. I want to make a statement with knowledge. I want to
:10:18. > :10:21.know the facts. Two questions, was this terrorism and how are you
:10:22. > :10:25.feeling about your chief strategist? The driver of the car is a disgrace
:10:26. > :10:31.to himself, his family and his country. You can call it terrorism.
:10:32. > :10:37.You can call it murder. You can call it whatever you want. I would just
:10:38. > :10:41.call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict, that is what
:10:42. > :10:44.I'd call it. Because there is a question, is it murder, is it
:10:45. > :10:51.terrorism and then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the
:10:52. > :10:55.car is a murderer. And what he did was a horrible, horrible,
:10:56. > :11:04.inexcusable thing. Tell us how you feel about your chief strategist,
:11:05. > :11:09.Steve Bannon? I never spoke to Mr Bannon about it. Do you still have
:11:10. > :11:16.confidence in him. We'll see. I like Steve Bannon, he's a good friend. He
:11:17. > :11:20.came on board very late, I went through 17 governors and I won all
:11:21. > :11:25.the primaries. Mr Bannon came in much later than that. I like him, he
:11:26. > :11:30.is a good man. He is not a racist, I can tell you that. He is a good
:11:31. > :11:35.person. He gets a very unfair press in that regard. We will see what
:11:36. > :11:42.happens with Mr Bannon. But he is a good person and I think the press
:11:43. > :11:54.treats him frankly very unfairly. You have been called on to defend HR
:11:55. > :11:57.McMaster against attacks. I did that. Do you mean Senator McCain who
:11:58. > :12:07.voted against is getting good health care? Senator McCain said the
:12:08. > :12:14.alt-right is behind these attacks and he linked them to the attacks in
:12:15. > :12:19.Charlottesville. I couldn't tell you, I am sure Senator McCain knows
:12:20. > :12:31.what he's talking about. Define alt-right to me. Go ahead. Senator
:12:32. > :12:43.McCain defined them as... What about the three Mac. Alt-left who came
:12:44. > :12:47.charging at the alt-right, swinging clubs, do they have any problem? I
:12:48. > :12:51.think they do. As far as I'm concerned that was a horrible,
:12:52. > :12:59.horrible day. Wait a minute. I'm not finished. I'm not finished, fake
:13:00. > :13:04.news. That was a horrible day. I will tell you something. I watched
:13:05. > :13:09.those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it.
:13:10. > :13:14.You had a group on one side that was mad and you had a group on the other
:13:15. > :13:18.side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that but I will
:13:19. > :13:22.say it right now. You had a group on the other side that came charging in
:13:23. > :13:33.without a permit and they were very, very violent. Do you think that what
:13:34. > :13:40.you call the alt-left is the same as neo-Nazis? All of those people,
:13:41. > :13:44.excuse me, I have condemned neo-Nazis. I have condemned many
:13:45. > :13:49.different groups but not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe
:13:50. > :13:52.me. Not all of them were white supremacists by any stretch. Those
:13:53. > :14:00.people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of
:14:01. > :14:04.a statue of the Robert EV. You look at some of the groups and you see,
:14:05. > :14:08.and you would know it if you are honest reporters which in many cases
:14:09. > :14:18.you are not, but many of those people were there to protest the
:14:19. > :14:22.taking down of Robert E Lee. I noticed that Andrew Jackson is
:14:23. > :14:25.coming down and I wonder if it will be Thomas Jefferson of the week
:14:26. > :14:30.after. You have to ask yourself where does it stop. They were there
:14:31. > :14:34.to protest, excuse me, you take a look the night before, they were
:14:35. > :14:41.there to protest at the taking down of the statue of the Robert E Lee.
:14:42. > :14:47.Infrastructure question. Did the statue stay up, should it stay up? I
:14:48. > :14:52.would say that's up to the local town, the community, the local
:14:53. > :14:59.government where it is located. Are you against the Confederacy? Do you
:15:00. > :15:02.think things in America have got that? Look, they've been frayed for
:15:03. > :15:07.a long time, you can ask President Obama because he made speeches about
:15:08. > :15:11.it. I believe that the fact that I brought in, it will be sin, millions
:15:12. > :15:15.of jobs, you will see where companies are moving back into our
:15:16. > :15:22.country, I think that will have a tremendous positive impact on race
:15:23. > :15:27.relations, we have to car companies that have just announced, we have
:15:28. > :15:32.one in Wisconsin, we have many companies as a pouring back into the
:15:33. > :15:37.country. I think it's going to have a huge positive impact on race
:15:38. > :15:42.relations. You know why, it's jobs. What people want now is jobs, great
:15:43. > :15:45.jobs with good pay. And when they have that, you watch a race
:15:46. > :15:49.relations will be. I tell you, we spending a lot of money on the inner
:15:50. > :15:53.cities. We are fixing the inner cities. We are doing far more than
:15:54. > :16:01.anyone has done with respect to the inner cities. It is a priority for
:16:02. > :16:04.me. Are you putting what you are calling the alt-left and white
:16:05. > :16:09.supremacists on the same model plane. Am not putting anybody on the
:16:10. > :16:12.moral plane, I am saying you had one group on one side and one group one
:16:13. > :16:17.another and they came at each other with clubs and was vicious,
:16:18. > :16:22.horrible, horrible thing to watch. There was a group on this site, you
:16:23. > :16:25.can call them the left, you have called the left, that came violently
:16:26. > :16:31.attacking the other group. So you can say what you want but that's the
:16:32. > :16:36.it is. You said that there was hatred and violence on both sides,
:16:37. > :16:42.Sir. I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I
:16:43. > :16:45.think there is blame on both sides. I have no doubt about it and you
:16:46. > :16:54.don't have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it
:16:55. > :17:01.accurately, you would say... The neo-Nazis started this thing in
:17:02. > :17:05.Charlottesville. You had some very bad people in that group but you
:17:06. > :17:10.also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had
:17:11. > :17:15.people in that group, excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures
:17:16. > :17:20.as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the
:17:21. > :17:24.taking down of, to them, a very important statue, and the renaming
:17:25. > :17:32.of a park from Robert E Lee to another name. White nationalists?
:17:33. > :17:37.Was George Washington a slave owner? Will George Washington now loses
:17:38. > :17:42.status? Excuse me? Are we going to take down the statues to George
:17:43. > :17:47.Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? Do you like him? Good. We
:17:48. > :17:52.going to take down the study because he was a major slave owner. Will we
:17:53. > :17:56.take down his statue? You know what, it's fine. You're changing history,
:17:57. > :18:00.changing culture and you had people and I'm not talking about the
:18:01. > :18:03.neo-Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned
:18:04. > :18:09.totally but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and
:18:10. > :18:13.white nationalists, OK. And the press has treated them absolutely
:18:14. > :18:19.unfairly. In the other group also you will have some fine people but
:18:20. > :18:22.you also had trouble makers and you saw them coming with the black
:18:23. > :18:30.outfits and the helm ats and the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad
:18:31. > :18:35.people in the other group as well. You were saying that the press had
:18:36. > :18:40.treated white nationalists unfairly? I don't understand. There were
:18:41. > :18:44.people in that rally, I looked at before, if you look, there were
:18:45. > :18:49.people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert
:18:50. > :18:53.E Lee. I am sure that in that group there were some bad ones. The
:18:54. > :18:59.following day it looked like they have some rough bad people. Neo
:19:00. > :19:03.Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you call them that a lot of people
:19:04. > :19:07.were there to innocently protest, and legally protest, I don't know if
:19:08. > :19:13.you know, they had a permit. The other group did not have a permit. I
:19:14. > :19:19.only tell you this, that our two sites to story. I thought what place
:19:20. > :19:25.was a horrible moment for our country. Horrible moment. But there
:19:26. > :19:32.are two sides to the story. Does anyone have a final... You didn't
:19:33. > :19:35.get health care. What makes you think you didn't get an
:19:36. > :19:39.infrastructure failure. We came close with health care, John McCain
:19:40. > :19:43.voted against it at the last minute, you have to ask him why. We came
:19:44. > :19:47.close to it, we'll end up getting health care, infrastructure is one
:19:48. > :19:54.thing I think we will have bipartisan support on. I think
:19:55. > :19:57.Democrats will go along with... Mr President have you spoken to the
:19:58. > :20:06.family of the victim of the car attack? I thought that the
:20:07. > :20:12.statement, the mother's statement I thought was beautiful. It was
:20:13. > :20:19.something that I really appreciated. I thought it was terrific. Under the
:20:20. > :20:22.kind of stress that she is under and the heartache she is and I thought
:20:23. > :20:29.putting out that statement to me was really something I want forget.
:20:30. > :20:35.Thank you all very much. Thank you. Donald Trump, you heard, was in
:20:36. > :20:38.defensive mode. Obviously angry at the way his reaction to the violence
:20:39. > :20:46.in Charlottesville has been reported. He said of the violence
:20:47. > :20:50.that there were both groups that were violent, aside on the left
:20:51. > :20:54.violently attacked and there is blame on both sides. He said of the
:20:55. > :20:59.group on the right that they were not all neo-Nazis or white
:21:00. > :21:03.supremacists. He was questioned repeatedly, are you putting the
:21:04. > :21:07.alt-right and the left wing protesters on the same plane, given
:21:08. > :21:15.that one woman died, and she died allegedly at the hands of an
:21:16. > :21:27.alt-right protester. I think we can go to Washington, and speak to
:21:28. > :21:30.Anthony Zurcher. He said he could not have made a statement earlier
:21:31. > :21:35.because he didn't have all the facts. That was puzzling. What we
:21:36. > :21:39.saw yesterday was a carefully planned, scripted statement of Mr
:21:40. > :21:44.Trump addressing the situation, but I think we now have a window about
:21:45. > :21:46.white he acted the way he did on Saturday after the violence in
:21:47. > :21:51.Charlottesville. He said he wanted to make sure he got the story out
:21:52. > :21:57.but it was clear that he thinks that there were violent people on both
:21:58. > :22:01.sides. I think it was pretty clear, even before violence broke out in
:22:02. > :22:05.Charlottesville, what the nature of those protests were when he talked
:22:06. > :22:10.about what was going on the night before, he has courted a peaceful
:22:11. > :22:14.protest. The night before there were white supremacists marching around
:22:15. > :22:22.Charlottesville, the University of Virginia's campus having chants like
:22:23. > :22:25."Blood and soil". So the nature of the protests were clear but as you
:22:26. > :22:30.said Donald Trump was very defensive. He feels there is another
:22:31. > :22:33.side to the story and that was why he was reluctant to explicitly
:22:34. > :22:37.condemn white supremacists on Saturday. Donald Trump made that
:22:38. > :22:42.point quite powerfully when he talked about two sides to a story
:22:43. > :22:45.and said, we going to take down statues of George Washington and
:22:46. > :22:50.Thomas Jefferson because they were slave owners. Will we deny history?
:22:51. > :22:55.A lot of people in America presumably would think, he's
:22:56. > :23:00.speaking the truth there. Right, I grew up in the South, I had a civil
:23:01. > :23:06.war memorial in my hometown of Austin, Texas. Civil War ornaments
:23:07. > :23:11.are an important cultural touchstone for many white Southerners but they
:23:12. > :23:17.are also considered by some critics to be condoning treason. Robert E
:23:18. > :23:21.Lee led an army that fought against the US government army. George
:23:22. > :23:25.Washington did not do that, Thomas Jefferson did not do that so I think
:23:26. > :23:31.you will hear critics say that Mr Trump is taking sides in this
:23:32. > :23:35.particular debate over removing the statues. He did mention that it was
:23:36. > :23:38.a local decision and should be a local decision. He didn't weigh in
:23:39. > :23:44.on whether the statue should remain or not although I know there was a
:23:45. > :23:47.local decision in Charlottesville to remove the Robert E Lee statue, that
:23:48. > :23:53.is what the people were protesting against. In this case the city of
:23:54. > :23:58.Charlottesville was taking action that Mr Trump has said after the
:23:59. > :24:03.fact that he supports. As you say, revealing a news conference. One of
:24:04. > :24:08.the points to Trump made when asked how will race relations improve, he
:24:09. > :24:13.said, jobs, I will bring back jobs, jobs are the answer. That is this
:24:14. > :24:18.focus, isn't it. It is and this is what the event today was supposed to
:24:19. > :24:21.be about before he turned it over to media questions, he was talking
:24:22. > :24:25.about infrastructure investments, how he would streamline the ability
:24:26. > :24:29.to finance massive government projects and how much easier it will
:24:30. > :24:33.be under his administration to build a skyscraper or build a highway. He
:24:34. > :24:39.was talking about the jobs, taking credit for the millions of jobs that
:24:40. > :24:44.have been created in the country since he became president. I think
:24:45. > :24:48.the bottom line is, all of the conflict, all of the controversies
:24:49. > :24:52.that have swirled around his administration will all eventually
:24:53. > :24:55.take a back-seat if the economy is doing well, if people are getting
:24:56. > :25:00.jobs and feeling better about with the economy is heading. Anthony,
:25:01. > :25:05.good to have you with us. We will finish this edition with this story.
:25:06. > :25:09.At least 12 people have been reported killed by a falling tree
:25:10. > :25:12.during a religious festival on the Portuguese island of Madeira. It
:25:13. > :25:17.happened in the capital. More than 50 others were injured when the
:25:18. > :25:21.200-year-old oak tree came down without warning at the gathering.
:25:22. > :25:27.This is how one of the worshippers described events of the celebration.
:25:28. > :25:32.We heard a noise. I looked up, my son was by my side. I only saw the
:25:33. > :25:40.tree falling so I called my son and I ran away. I had a Big Bang. A lot
:25:41. > :25:47.of people in a panic. A lot of people were down there. And just to
:25:48. > :25:50.remind you of our breaking news, during this edition Donald Trump
:25:51. > :25:55.defending his statement about the violence in Virginia at the weekend.
:25:56. > :25:56.More to come, another edition of the programme is coming right up so
:25:57. > :26:13.please stay with us. Thank you, we'll take a look at the
:26:14. > :26:14.European