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:00:13. > :00:17.Hello, I'm Philip Thomas, you are watching Outside Source. Terror on

:00:18. > :00:22.the streets of Barcelona as a van ploughs into a crowd in the popular

:00:23. > :00:23.tourist area of Las Ramblas. The Catalan government has 13 people are

:00:24. > :00:31.dead. All of a sudden the police just

:00:32. > :00:37.shouted at everyone to just run and was a really loud crashing noise but

:00:38. > :00:41.I didn't stop to look back. It was just a kind of immediate stampede in

:00:42. > :00:46.the opposite direction. Catalan police are treating this as a terror

:00:47. > :00:50.attack. Two people have been arrested. They dismissed earlier

:00:51. > :01:05.reports that gunmen were holed up in a bar in the city.

:01:06. > :01:12.Welcome to Outside Source. We are continuing the BBC's live coverage

:01:13. > :01:16.of the terror attack in Spain, where a van has driven into crowds killing

:01:17. > :01:19.at least 13 people. This happened in Barcelona in the north-east of

:01:20. > :01:24.Spain, and we can take you into the city to show you exactly where it

:01:25. > :01:29.occurred. Down here, this is Las Ramblas, a real tourist hotspot in

:01:30. > :01:34.the city, and a white van mounted the pavement and drove apparently

:01:35. > :01:41.crazily at high speed into pedestrians. As we said, 13 have

:01:42. > :01:43.been killed and more than 80 others have been injured. According to

:01:44. > :01:49.police, what happened with the van was that it entered Las Ramblas at

:01:50. > :01:55.the top of the pedestrian zone here, came to a halt after driving at high

:01:56. > :01:59.speed about halfway down the pedestrian strip, and to give you an

:02:00. > :02:05.idea of how busy the area is, the picture just popped up there, and

:02:06. > :02:08.this was a picture taken just yesterday in Las Ramblas. It is very

:02:09. > :02:12.popular with tourists and the driver of the van would have known that.

:02:13. > :02:16.The police have confirmed on Twitter that they have arrested two people

:02:17. > :02:20.and they have also put as clear about reports about a hostage

:02:21. > :02:25.situation with gunmen. Police are saying that is not happening

:02:26. > :02:29.although there is an ongoing surveillance and security situation

:02:30. > :02:37.in the city. They have released one picture, a picture of a man called:

:02:38. > :02:46.Mac. He is understood to be in his 20s and of Moroccan birth. -- a man

:02:47. > :02:50.called Driss Oubakir. It is said he rented the van in the incident, an

:02:51. > :02:55.incident they are saying is a terrorist attack, and the police are

:02:56. > :03:00.saying this man is in custody. So more about him in the next few

:03:01. > :03:06.hours. We have been talking to eyewitnesses throughout the last few

:03:07. > :03:09.hours. Tom lives near to where the attack happened and talk to us about

:03:10. > :03:18.what he saw in the minutes that followed that attack. I had left my

:03:19. > :03:26.flat and I was walking up to Las Ramblas in order to go to a metro

:03:27. > :03:31.station. When I was about a few minutes from the end of my road, I

:03:32. > :03:34.heard the screams and a couple of crashes and I'm guessing that was

:03:35. > :03:38.the moment when the van had mounted the pavement and probably knocked

:03:39. > :03:43.over... You know, there are all kinds of stalls and that kind of

:03:44. > :03:50.thing. That's when I saw the crowds parting because there was a massive

:03:51. > :03:54.group of people on the road itself, and there were people passing, and

:03:55. > :03:58.that's when I saw the van going at full speed down the middle of Las

:03:59. > :04:02.Ramblas, and when I saw the fact that it wasn't slowing down, that's

:04:03. > :04:08.when I realised that, yes, there was something obviously very, very

:04:09. > :04:13.wrong. As soon as I saw the velocity of it, I thought, my God, this is an

:04:14. > :04:20.attack, it's not just a van that was slightly out of control. Everybody

:04:21. > :04:25.was running into the shops, the bars, everyone put their shutters

:04:26. > :04:31.down. Armed police have cordoned off my road entirely. It's always packed

:04:32. > :04:36.in summer in Barcelona. It is the ultimate tourist attraction. It's

:04:37. > :04:42.are walking pace down Las Ramblas because it's always so busy. -- it

:04:43. > :04:49.is always hard looking at pace down Las Ramblas. When I moved here it

:04:50. > :04:56.was one of those things that I thought, at least they don't have

:04:57. > :05:01.terrorism in Spain. Apart from ETA. But it is such a happy place,

:05:02. > :05:07.Barcelona. And for this kind of thing to happen is in contrast so

:05:08. > :05:12.much of what the city stands for. We can talk to Guide, who is monitoring

:05:13. > :05:17.events from Madrid. Our eyewitness there said Barcelona is such a happy

:05:18. > :05:21.place and those who commit terrorist attacks like this, they tend to

:05:22. > :05:25.commit the lively, thriving cities, whether you are talking about

:05:26. > :05:30.London, Manchester, Paris, and now Barcelona. Yes, it has the

:05:31. > :05:35.reputation and to such a big draw to tourists for that reason. Ironically

:05:36. > :05:38.there has been a big debate recently about whether or not Barcelona is

:05:39. > :05:42.drawing too many tourists, whether it had become too much of a tourist

:05:43. > :05:46.hub, and some people were worried it was losing its identity for that

:05:47. > :05:55.reason, but, guess, it draws millions of people every year and

:05:56. > :05:59.that central area in Barcelona around Placa de Catalunya and the

:06:00. > :06:05.Las Ramblas Boulevard, which is connected to the Placa de Catalunya,

:06:06. > :06:08.where the attack took place, that is possibly the first place tourists

:06:09. > :06:12.head to when they go to Barcelona. It is very famous in the

:06:13. > :06:16.architecture around there is well known, so they had there and it is

:06:17. > :06:20.always full up, particularly in the summer months. It is always heaving

:06:21. > :06:25.in July and August, so it would seem to be perhaps the logical place for

:06:26. > :06:31.a terrorist attack to take place. That might explain why we saw such a

:06:32. > :06:34.swift response from the police and the medical crews after the attack,

:06:35. > :06:40.that they were perhaps ready for this. You could say police forces

:06:41. > :06:44.across Europe are on alert for this kind of incident but what would you

:06:45. > :06:50.say about security levels in Spain Germany? Spain hasn't had a

:06:51. > :06:58.terrorist attack since 2004. In Spain generally? Since that attack

:06:59. > :07:06.in Madrid on the capital. Since then, the authorities have clamped

:07:07. > :07:12.down on terrorist activity. That attack came as a huge shock in 2004.

:07:13. > :07:16.They weren't prepared for it. They had handled the Basque separatists

:07:17. > :07:20.of ETA for many years but they weren't used to this new terrorism.

:07:21. > :07:24.They've now had more than a decade to get used to that. They have made

:07:25. > :07:30.dozens of arrests of suspected jihadistss. They have tightened

:07:31. > :07:35.security with Morocco in the south, to try to tighten up their

:07:36. > :07:39.anti-terror actions, and so they feel that in that sense, things are

:07:40. > :07:44.much more under control than they were perhaps a few years ago. But at

:07:45. > :07:50.the same time, they know they can't stop an attack like this happening

:07:51. > :07:55.necessarily, no matter how heavily patrolled the streets are, how much

:07:56. > :08:00.the intelligence knows, how much intelligence they have, and there

:08:01. > :08:04.are too many places in Spain where there are lots of people out on the

:08:05. > :08:08.streets, with these pedestrianised areas that are near roads, where

:08:09. > :08:14.cars can mount the pavements. It's a very difficult task for the security

:08:15. > :08:20.forces. You talked about the devastating attack back in 2004. I

:08:21. > :08:23.was at a railway station that night and there was a huge amount of

:08:24. > :08:28.confusion about what had happened and who had done it. And I suppose

:08:29. > :08:34.one of the lessons that has been learned is a great deal of caution

:08:35. > :08:42.about claims and speculation as to who could be responsible. Well,

:08:43. > :08:45.that's right. So-called Islamic State has apparently issued a

:08:46. > :08:50.statement taking responsibility for this attack but that, as ever, is

:08:51. > :08:54.being treated with caution. The authorities have not verified that

:08:55. > :09:02.claim and I think frankly at the moment, they are just responding to

:09:03. > :09:07.the crisis of the latest unfolding events rather than talking about who

:09:08. > :09:12.carried this out yet. But I'm sure in the coming days, we will hear

:09:13. > :09:16.more about that and more about intelligence and who might be behind

:09:17. > :09:24.this, whether it is so-called Islamic State or somebody supposedly

:09:25. > :09:27.working for them or elsewhere, but inevitably there is a huge amount of

:09:28. > :09:33.confusion in the wake of an attack like this. As you say, in 2004, I

:09:34. > :09:36.was here for that attack and it was enormously confusing. Nobody really

:09:37. > :09:40.knew who had carried it out and the events surrounding it were confusing

:09:41. > :09:48.as well. Today we have seen a similar picture, really. Guy in

:09:49. > :09:51.Madrid, thank you. We're being honest on the BBC here about what we

:09:52. > :09:55.don't know as well as what we do know, bringing you up-to-date on the

:09:56. > :10:00.facts and what the police are trying to piece together. By saying there

:10:01. > :10:02.there is an ongoing security situation before we even get to the

:10:03. > :10:08.question of who was behind the attack and how big a network that

:10:09. > :10:13.could have been or otherwise. -- our correspondent saying there. We are

:10:14. > :10:14.also keeping you up-to-date with other stories around the world

:10:15. > :10:24.today. This is one we want to up-to-date --

:10:25. > :10:32.update you on, because this is about a mudslide in Sierra Leone keep --

:10:33. > :10:40.killing many people. 600 are thought to be missing with 105 dead,

:10:41. > :10:45.including children. -- 400 people dead, including 105 children.

:10:46. > :10:50.An outside one of the offices where aid is supposed to arrive. People so

:10:51. > :10:54.they are desperate. Not enough is getting through and people are going

:10:55. > :10:58.hungry. I would somebody from the community who was affected by this

:10:59. > :11:10.disaster. Your name is Francis. What does your community need? We need

:11:11. > :11:15.shelter. We need shelter, food from the community and the government.

:11:16. > :11:22.Everything we have been given has been washed away. Some of us managed

:11:23. > :11:26.to escape. Has any assistance got through? There has been a trickle

:11:27. > :11:31.but not enough. We are having assistance but not enough because we

:11:32. > :11:38.are too many. Too many have gone but still we are enough in this

:11:39. > :11:42.community. We have nowhere to go now and if we don't have shelter I don't

:11:43. > :11:45.think we will survive. I don't know what to do, so, please, we're

:11:46. > :11:53.begging the government and other bodies to help us. If not... Thank

:11:54. > :11:58.you, Francis. We have a powerful message there. This is a community

:11:59. > :12:01.that needs more assistance. I saw dozens of families living in an

:12:02. > :12:05.unfinished home. People don't have shelter and many are going hungry,

:12:06. > :12:13.and they say their own government as well as others must do more.

:12:14. > :12:17.Police in the Philippines say they've killed another 26 suspected

:12:18. > :12:23.drug dealers and arrested hundreds more in operations ordered by the

:12:24. > :12:27.President. The latest deaths mean at least 58 people have been killed in

:12:28. > :12:36.the past three days as the country's war on drugs intensifies.

:12:37. > :12:42.One night, 26 dead. The President's war on drugs is back with a

:12:43. > :12:49.vengeance. As so often before, the police say they fired in

:12:50. > :12:53.self-defence. As we arrived here in San Pedro, this police officer

:12:54. > :12:59.explained two shot at and for their offices. That's why they were

:13:00. > :13:03.killed. The police are calling this a one-time big-time anti-drugs and

:13:04. > :13:10.crime operation. Another like it the night before killed 32 people. As

:13:11. > :13:16.before, these killings occurred in poor neighbourhoods, the focus of

:13:17. > :13:20.the drug war from the start. The president was forced to suspend the

:13:21. > :13:24.campaign back in February after police officers were found to have

:13:25. > :13:30.murdered a Korean businessman. But he offered no apology for restarting

:13:31. > :13:37.it. TRANSLATION: The 32 who died, that's

:13:38. > :13:47.good. If we could kill 32 every day, maybe we could fix this country.

:13:48. > :13:52.When he launched his drug war last year, the president promised to end

:13:53. > :13:56.the problem within three to six months. He now says he was

:13:57. > :14:04.overoptimistic. That deadline has long since passed and still the

:14:05. > :14:09.killing goes on. You're watching Outside Source live

:14:10. > :14:14.from the BBC newsroom. Our top story - terror on the streets of Barcelona

:14:15. > :14:17.as a van ploughs into a crowd in the popular tourist area of Las Ramblas.

:14:18. > :14:22.The Catalan government says 13 people are dead.

:14:23. > :14:27.Stories elsewhere around the BBC - South African police have issued a

:14:28. > :14:32.red alert at the country's borders further Zimbabwe's first Lady. She

:14:33. > :14:37.is accused of hitting a 20-year-old model over the head with an

:14:38. > :14:41.extension cord in a hotel room in Johannesburg.

:14:42. > :14:44.A ten-year-old great bit -- rape victim denied support by the Supreme

:14:45. > :14:48.Court last month has given birth to a baby girl. She's not aware she has

:14:49. > :14:53.given birth. During her pregnancy she was told her bulge was because

:14:54. > :15:00.she had a big stone in her stomach. She has had a Caesarean section.

:15:01. > :15:05.Now we're going to get you up-to-date on what is happening in

:15:06. > :15:10.Barcelona. And on the reaction to what has happened there today with

:15:11. > :15:14.that van ploughing into tourists and residents on Las Ramblas. Some of

:15:15. > :15:20.the reaction we have from Number Ten, for example. Theresa May - my

:15:21. > :15:24.thoughts are with the victims of today's terrible attack in

:15:25. > :15:31.Barcelona. And thoughts about Britain as well when we think about

:15:32. > :15:34.London Bridge, Manchester, thoughts about terrorism pretty raw. Donald

:15:35. > :15:38.Trump saying the United States condemns this terror attack in

:15:39. > :15:42.Barcelona and will do whatever is necessary to help. Be tough and

:15:43. > :15:47.strong. We love you, he says. Emmanuel Macron, the French

:15:48. > :15:51.President, as the French know only too well what it is like to be

:15:52. > :15:56.attacked by terror. We love you, we are with you, by your side. This is

:15:57. > :15:59.the message coming from Barcelona and the Catalan government, saying,

:16:00. > :16:04.all of us will join together to defeat those who use violence.

:16:05. > :16:07.Barcelona is a city of peace. Tom Burridge was telling us earlier that

:16:08. > :16:10.there will be a minute's silence at noon tomorrow and the local

:16:11. > :16:17.government is saying to everyone, don't be scared, come out on the

:16:18. > :16:21.streets and show them. We have pictures of the van we

:16:22. > :16:26.believe was used in the Barcelona attack. As you can see, it is

:16:27. > :16:32.surrounded by police and I think if we get in a bit closer we might be

:16:33. > :16:37.able to see the van is significantly damaged, the front of the van. We

:16:38. > :16:41.know it entered Las Ramblas from the north, stopped halfway down the

:16:42. > :16:47.tourist strip after weaving through at some speed, and that area, as you

:16:48. > :16:49.would expect, is in with heavy police presence as the

:16:50. > :17:00.investigations continue. Edit earlier I spoke to BBC Persian.

:17:01. > :17:06.-- a bit earlier. He told me what it is like there tonight.

:17:07. > :17:10.The crowd were being directed out of this area up until about ten minutes

:17:11. > :17:14.ago. It shows you what a massive population was in that area, because

:17:15. > :17:18.as we know, it is one of the most visited parts of Barcelona, but

:17:19. > :17:23.panic still continues to be the mood, because a few minutes ago,

:17:24. > :17:27.crowds got scared of something, we don't know what, and they started

:17:28. > :17:31.running, and then behind them were police officers with guns right

:17:32. > :17:35.behind me, following, chasing, as if there was somebody in that crowd

:17:36. > :17:39.that they wanted to arrest. Then everybody dissipated. It was unclear

:17:40. > :17:44.where it all started. It just gives you a sense of how worried the

:17:45. > :17:49.population is and how word gets out that something is happening and it

:17:50. > :17:55.might be a mistake, but it creates panic. So there are choppers

:17:56. > :18:00.overhead in the last few hours, and, as you said, right bind here is the

:18:01. > :18:04.centre where it all happened and there are images of police with big

:18:05. > :18:08.guns, long guns going street to street, especially in the old part

:18:09. > :18:14.of Barcelona, which is the other end of Las Ramblas, and chasing, making

:18:15. > :18:21.sure every house, restaurant, making sure the person they are chasing is

:18:22. > :18:24.not there, and continuing the search now, we have reports that one has

:18:25. > :18:29.been arrested and one has been killed. It is unclear which is the

:18:30. > :18:33.case. Nevertheless, the city of Barcelona, where I was seven hours

:18:34. > :18:39.ago, the place where the attack happened, has changed drastically in

:18:40. > :18:43.the last few hours, with panic, and many just waiting to see when it

:18:44. > :18:48.will wrap up, so they can go back to normal. Many cannot reach their

:18:49. > :18:55.hotels because it is in a cordoned area. Many of the hotels are on the

:18:56. > :19:01.boulevard where this all happened of Las Ramblas, so it is affecting many

:19:02. > :19:05.tourists as well. The area has been cordoned off for the crowds. As

:19:06. > :19:08.you've been talking, I've heard the sirens behind you and seen the blue

:19:09. > :19:14.flashing lights go by. We only have one name released so far by the

:19:15. > :19:19.police - Driss Oubakir - who they say rented the van involved, but

:19:20. > :19:22.just remind us, in the last few hours, many in the city have been

:19:23. > :19:27.terribly frightened because there were rumours about gun men and a

:19:28. > :19:33.possible hostage. Many. In fact many people saying a hostage crisis was

:19:34. > :19:37.happening in a restaurant, it is ongoing, they have big guns, there

:19:38. > :19:43.are two of them. None of this has turned out to be true, so as you can

:19:44. > :19:48.imagine with a situation like this, word of mouth, social media, things

:19:49. > :19:52.get out and they are not true, they are unconfirmed, and it creates more

:19:53. > :19:58.fear in the population, and you couple that with the pictures that

:19:59. > :20:02.were released and many have seen them, very horrifying images of

:20:03. > :20:07.people on the ground bleeding, some seemed to be unconscious, exactly in

:20:08. > :20:13.the middle of Las Ramblas, where thousands of people walk by, they

:20:14. > :20:16.know this part, so that adds to the feeling and the reality that this

:20:17. > :20:19.might be an ongoing situation that has not ended and there is a

:20:20. > :20:24.possibility of something else happening, hence this crowd that

:20:25. > :20:28.just ran across the street a few minutes ago very much panicked, not

:20:29. > :20:30.knowing why they were running, but they were running because somebody

:20:31. > :20:38.said something and everybody followed.

:20:39. > :20:42.Our correspondent speaking to us from Barcelona very close to where

:20:43. > :20:45.the attack happened. The Spanish minister of the interior has said

:20:46. > :20:49.the death toll may rise. At the moment we are saying 13 have been

:20:50. > :20:55.killed. That could rise. We're staying across that story for you.

:20:56. > :21:00.One of the story I want to bring new on Outside Source, and that is from

:21:01. > :21:05.North Korea. Steve Barron, the White House chief strategist, mentioned in

:21:06. > :21:10.an interview in a magazine earlier today that, as he put it, there is

:21:11. > :21:15.no military solution to North Korea's nuclear threats. Forget it!

:21:16. > :21:20.That is some thinking in the White House. You can imagine that didn't

:21:21. > :21:33.go down very well with Joseph Dunford, the top US military

:21:34. > :21:37.official. This was his reaction. You can imagine he might be particularly

:21:38. > :21:40.frustrated as he happens to be in China at the moment trying to

:21:41. > :21:45.develop some sort of military option. Let's also think about

:21:46. > :21:49.what's happening in South Korea, because that's where the country's

:21:50. > :21:53.new president used the occasion of his first 100 days in office to

:21:54. > :21:59.comment on this very intense situation yet again.

:22:00. > :22:03.TRANSLATION: There cannot be a second war in the Korean Peninsula,

:22:04. > :22:07.I can guarantee that. After the Korean War, all the people of the

:22:08. > :22:13.nation worked very hard to build the nation and war cannot happen on the

:22:14. > :22:19.Korean Peninsula. Let's bring you this analysis. I

:22:20. > :22:24.think this was a political event very much aimed at the domestic

:22:25. > :22:27.audience. He is only 102 days into office but there's no doubt he is

:22:28. > :22:32.doing all he can to dampen down the tension after what has been an

:22:33. > :22:34.incendiary week with comments coming from President Trump and United

:22:35. > :22:38.States. He is not just confident there won't be another war, he said

:22:39. > :22:42.he can guarantee there won't be another war on this peninsular. Now,

:22:43. > :22:47.that's not surprising, because he in particular is a man who was elected

:22:48. > :22:52.with a much more conciliatory tone towards the North. He has talked

:22:53. > :22:55.about expanding the diplomatic effort and about reuniting families

:22:56. > :23:00.and trying to reunify at some point the whole of this peninsular. In

:23:01. > :23:04.terms of Donald Trump, well, I think it was interesting because he said

:23:05. > :23:09.he doesn't think the US president intends to use military action here.

:23:10. > :23:13.He also repeated his assertion that there can't be any military action

:23:14. > :23:17.on this peninsular without South Korea's OK. In fact, he went a bit

:23:18. > :23:22.further. He said Donald Trump had told him he would seek and get South

:23:23. > :23:26.Korea's approval if the US did want to take any military action.

:23:27. > :23:30.Let me bring you up-to-date with what is happening in Barcelona.

:23:31. > :23:33.There has just been a news conference with the Ministry of the

:23:34. > :23:38.two are now saying there are more than 100 people injured from the

:23:39. > :23:46.Barcelona van attack. -- ministry of the interior. 13 people dead but

:23:47. > :23:50.that could rise. Joining me from Barcelona is a senior research

:23:51. > :23:54.associate at the Barcelona centre for international affairs. I would

:23:55. > :24:06.like to know your thoughts on this attack. Well, my thought is that

:24:07. > :24:12.this attack in Barcelona follows a series of attacks in Europe where

:24:13. > :24:18.large cities have been attacked as symbols by Isis or by Isis-inspired

:24:19. > :24:23.militants. We don't really know if there is a connection with Isis but

:24:24. > :24:30.we know individuals have carried out these attacks with very little

:24:31. > :24:35.technology and they have been inspired by Islamic State or Daesh.

:24:36. > :24:39.Diego, we have to leave it there. It is good to have your individual

:24:40. > :24:45.thoughts and this is something we will continue to investigate. Stay

:24:46. > :24:49.with the BBC and on the News Channel and BBC World, and we will continue

:24:50. > :24:56.to follow this story. There is a live website as well. Thank you very

:24:57. > :24:58.much for being with us for this edition of Outside Source. See you

:24:59. > :25:13.soon. Hello. Any time you add some high

:25:14. > :25:16.energy weather systems into the atmosphere, it sends the computer

:25:17. > :25:21.models into a bit of a spin, and this is the right time of year for

:25:22. > :25:23.such systems. They are known as hurricanes or tropical