0:00:14 > 0:00:18Welcome to Outside Source. Saudi Arabia has told its citizens in
0:00:18 > 0:00:21Lebanon to leave the country immediately, meanwhile, many
0:00:21 > 0:00:25Lebanese feel their country is being dragged into a wider cold war
0:00:25 > 0:00:31between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Round six of "Brexit" talks happened this
0:00:31 > 0:00:35week, with little progress having been made so far, we will speak with
0:00:35 > 0:00:40the BBC Europe editor about what is the main stumbling block. Donald
0:00:40 > 0:00:44Trump is in China, talking trade, definitely changed his tone from the
0:00:44 > 0:00:51campaign Trail, compare this:we cannot continue to allow China to
0:00:51 > 0:00:54rape our country, and that is what they are doing.With this, from
0:00:54 > 0:01:02today.Who can blame a country for taking advantage of another country
0:01:02 > 0:01:06for the benefit of its own citizens, I give China great credit.Because
0:01:06 > 0:01:12of the new Saudi blockade, Yemen is seeing the worst famine the country
0:01:12 > 0:01:16has seen for several decades. As usual, if you are watching, if you
0:01:16 > 0:01:21have questions, if you want to pick up on a particular piece of news,
0:01:21 > 0:01:24then the hashtag is #os.
0:01:35 > 0:01:39Yesterday on Outside Source we talked about the political crisis in
0:01:39 > 0:01:40Lebanon, and the situation has escalated
0:01:40 > 0:01:49since then, we want to show you this story written by the Saudi press
0:01:49 > 0:01:54agency, a source within the Saudi Ministry of foreign affairs has
0:01:54 > 0:01:58said, due to the situations in Lebanon, Saudi nationals visiting or
0:01:58 > 0:02:04residing are asked to leave the country as soon as possible. Exactly
0:02:04 > 0:02:09what situations it is referring to is not clear, but the political
0:02:09 > 0:02:15context is clear. At the weekend, Lebanon's Prime Minister resigned,
0:02:15 > 0:02:19very few people saw that coming. On Saturday, he had flown from Lebanon
0:02:19 > 0:02:23to Saudi Arabia, summoned by the king, now, Saudi Arabia denies
0:02:23 > 0:02:28telling him to step down, not everyone buys that. Not just the
0:02:28 > 0:02:32Saudis ordering their citizens out of Lebanon, here's the Associated
0:02:32 > 0:02:36Press telling us Kuwait calls on its citizens to leave too following
0:02:36 > 0:02:40similar moves not just by Saudi Arabia but by Bahrain as well. A
0:02:40 > 0:02:46little earlier I spoke with our Arabic affairs analyst, on why the
0:02:46 > 0:02:54Saudis have this much influence over Lebanese politics.A lot of sway
0:02:54 > 0:02:59with the president, going back to his father who was assassinated, he
0:02:59 > 0:03:03was known as Mr Lebanon, his business empire was built there, in
0:03:03 > 0:03:07Saudi Arabia. The wealth and the political
0:03:08 > 0:03:08Saudi Arabia. The wealth and the political influence to a large
0:03:08 > 0:03:21extent of the Hariris is built in Saudi Arabia, he has not been able
0:03:21 > 0:03:25to step out from under the shadow of his father, or the sense that he is
0:03:25 > 0:03:26the tool in Lebanon.
0:03:27 > 0:03:34Saudi Arabia has huge investments in Lebanon, far beyond the Hariris and
0:03:34 > 0:03:44a very strong connection as the leading nation of the Sunni part of
0:03:44 > 0:03:52the Muslim faith, that has a strong resonance in Lebanon with the Sunni
0:03:52 > 0:03:56littered the leaders, up against Hezbollah, that is where the
0:03:56 > 0:04:01interest comes in. And when he made his speech, he had the strongest
0:04:01 > 0:04:05words for Hezbollah in Iran, saying they bring chaos and devastation
0:04:05 > 0:04:10wherever they can.That is the connection, but in terms of
0:04:10 > 0:04:16practicality of what is happening, do they have the ability to dictator
0:04:16 > 0:04:23who replaces Mr Hariri?Hezbollah, which the Saudis are against because
0:04:23 > 0:04:29of Iranian influence, is probably the strongest force in Lebanon,
0:04:29 > 0:04:33politically and militarily. The idea of moving Hezbollah away from that
0:04:33 > 0:04:36position, essentially what the Saudis want, go back to the time of
0:04:36 > 0:04:41graphic Hariri, he challenged them at that time many could not get
0:04:41 > 0:04:45anywhere, that is 12 years ago and he ended up dead, and since then,
0:04:45 > 0:04:49Hezbollah members have been accused of involvement in his murder. --
0:04:49 > 0:04:53Rafic Hariri. We are talking about deep and dark waters and this is
0:04:53 > 0:04:56what the Lebanese are most concerned about, that the Saudis are stirring
0:04:56 > 0:05:01up something that the Lebanese have tried to keep a lid on. They have
0:05:01 > 0:05:05been next to the Syrian conflict, walking a tightrope there, Hezbollah
0:05:05 > 0:05:10deeply involved, they feel grateful they have not been drawn deeply into
0:05:10 > 0:05:14that, they feel something like this could upset the balance and overturn
0:05:14 > 0:05:18them and they will lose the tightrope and down they plunge.
0:05:18 > 0:05:20Saudi Arabia in the news for a number of reasons, Crown Prince
0:05:20 > 0:05:27Mohammed is at the heart of a number of stories. On Saturday he began an
0:05:27 > 0:05:32anti-corruption purge in Saudi Arabia, we know that 200 people are
0:05:32 > 0:05:37being questioned, with the Saudi Attorney General saying that up to
0:05:37 > 0:05:42$100 billion may have been misused in various corrupt ways. The BBC
0:05:42 > 0:05:45understands those caught up in the anti-corruption drive are being held
0:05:45 > 0:05:50at the 5-star Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh, none of them have been
0:05:50 > 0:05:54named, we know that they are princes, ministers, influential
0:05:54 > 0:06:04businessmen. Here is Sebastien Usher on that story.This is the Crown
0:06:04 > 0:06:07Prince, Mohammad Bin Salman, his rise has been vertiginous, since his
0:06:07 > 0:06:14father took control, took power, and this move on Saturday, we had the
0:06:14 > 0:06:20resident shin -- resignation of Hariri, and then this round-up. The
0:06:20 > 0:06:25princes are best known, they ran the country for years, the businessmen
0:06:25 > 0:06:30who run the TV stations, who run the biggest businesses, they have been
0:06:30 > 0:06:33humiliated, if nothing else. Today we heard from the Saudis that more
0:06:33 > 0:06:38than 200 people have been called in for questioning, talking about at
0:06:38 > 0:06:41least $100 billion that has been involved in systematic corruption
0:06:41 > 0:06:46over the decades. Most people would think that is an underestimate, even
0:06:46 > 0:06:48though it is an extraordinary amount of money, this is the way business
0:06:48 > 0:06:52was done through all these decades. The Crown Prince is trying to
0:06:52 > 0:06:58overturn that but in overturning that, it shakes the stability, not
0:06:58 > 0:07:01just of Saudi Arabia but of the region. He has the young people,
0:07:01 > 0:07:05they want this change, they believe it is necessary, the economy has
0:07:05 > 0:07:09been suffering with falling oil prices, something needed to be done.
0:07:09 > 0:07:14This may be pushing it too far. Starting off in Lebanon and Saudi
0:07:14 > 0:07:18Arabia, next, Brussels.
0:07:18 > 0:07:21Round six of the "Brexit" talks are up on us, you could make the case
0:07:21 > 0:07:25that these matter more than any of the previous five, if you have not
0:07:25 > 0:07:28read it, excellent article by the Europe editor, about the particular
0:07:28 > 0:07:33pressures coming to bear in this round of talks. The emphasis given
0:07:33 > 0:07:38is on these core issues, the UK really wants to start talks about a
0:07:38 > 0:07:42future trading relationship.
0:07:49 > 0:07:53The so-called divorce Bill, frustration among "Brexit"
0:07:53 > 0:08:01supporters. We wanted to know what we made of that particular point,
0:08:01 > 0:08:06here we are, in Brussels.This comes down to the fact the two sides are
0:08:06 > 0:08:10even argue about whether to call these negotiating rounds or not or
0:08:10 > 0:08:14whether it is an exchange of a point of view. The UK wants for these
0:08:14 > 0:08:20meetings in Brussels to be more flexible. Discussing issues such as
0:08:20 > 0:08:25citizens rights, when they reach and impress, go back to London and say,
0:08:25 > 0:08:30what can the Plan B, can we make improvement, can we change tack. The
0:08:30 > 0:08:35EU says, no, that is not possible, because for Michel Barnier, the lead
0:08:35 > 0:08:39EU negotiator, it is not how one capital city with him he has to
0:08:39 > 0:08:43refer to, he has 27 plus the European Parliament as well, that is
0:08:43 > 0:08:52why the EU says it remains rigid in its call.The EU says, you guys said
0:08:52 > 0:08:56he wanted to leave the club, so you have to do that under our rules, and
0:08:56 > 0:09:00that is where the apparent EU rigidity comes from. At the moment,
0:09:00 > 0:09:05it appears to be an impact. If the UK can move somehow, on the money
0:09:05 > 0:09:12issue, which is not, the EU says, a "Brexit" bill, but rather the UK
0:09:12 > 0:09:16honouring what has already been made, then there can be more trust.
0:09:16 > 0:09:20At the moment it is nonexistent, the EU says it would be flexible if the
0:09:20 > 0:09:25EU says, we need to honour some of those commitments. We will say yes
0:09:25 > 0:09:30to that one, no to that one, we want wiggle room on that one, then it can
0:09:30 > 0:09:33negotiate but first it once written confirmation from the UK that it is
0:09:33 > 0:09:38willing to look at those financial commitments and that it promises to
0:09:38 > 0:09:45honour them. You were alluding to this instability within Theresa
0:09:45 > 0:09:51May's government. How is all of this turmoil being perceived in Brussels?
0:09:51 > 0:09:54Watched very closely. Going to background briefings with sources,
0:09:54 > 0:10:00they quote bits to me out of UK newspapers. Watch closely with open
0:10:00 > 0:10:04mouths here in Brussels but particularly closely because they
0:10:04 > 0:10:08reckon the upheaval in Westminster means that it will have an impact on
0:10:08 > 0:10:12Brexit negotiations and in the end, that is what they care about, the EU
0:10:12 > 0:10:19want a deal, not just the UK, the reason the EU is keen for a deal is
0:10:19 > 0:10:23because they want the money, because if the UK walks out now, without any
0:10:23 > 0:10:31deal on the table, that leaves a huge gaping hole on the EU's
0:10:31 > 0:10:36multinational budget, the EU unity, that it is so proud of, standing
0:10:36 > 0:10:39together in "Brexit" negotiations, that will fall apart, when countries
0:10:39 > 0:10:43are pitted against each other, I am not paying any more, you promised me
0:10:43 > 0:10:48a bridge and restructuring projects... So that is why it is so
0:10:48 > 0:10:52important for the EU that a deal is done. That is the dance both sides
0:10:52 > 0:10:56are doing between not wanting a bad deal but wanting a deal, when you
0:10:56 > 0:11:01hear from the UK side, "no deal is better than a bad deal", that goes
0:11:01 > 0:11:05for the EU as well, they do not want a deal so much that they will
0:11:05 > 0:11:08compromise on the single market or that they will bend the rules they
0:11:08 > 0:11:14hold so dear, because in the end, it is what keeps them together.Some
0:11:14 > 0:11:17sources quoting UK newspapers to her, I wonder if they quoted this
0:11:17 > 0:11:22article, in the Times column the EU is preparing for the fall of Theresa
0:11:22 > 0:11:26May before New Year and a change of leadership or elections leading to a
0:11:26 > 0:11:32Labour victory. Needless to say, not everyone agrees with that particular
0:11:32 > 0:11:35analysis, here is what prominent Brexiteer Iain Duncan Smith makes of
0:11:35 > 0:11:41this kind of thing:I think it is a bit rich of them to speak about
0:11:41 > 0:11:44this... The Dutch government, after months, only just managed to find
0:11:44 > 0:11:48its own feet, had not form a government. Germany does not have an
0:11:48 > 0:11:53official government. Chaos in Italy, elections coming up, real problems
0:11:53 > 0:11:57over their banks. Theresa May is the one person who can actually still
0:11:57 > 0:12:01unite the cabinet and the party and while we are leaving the European
0:12:01 > 0:12:04Union can make sure that the party stays at ease with her domestic
0:12:04 > 0:12:08agenda.That is what Theresa May is trying to
0:12:08 > 0:12:08do, in
0:12:08 > 0:12:12part, by promoting today, Penny Mordaunt, to the newly vacant
0:12:12 > 0:12:15International Development Secretary role, member, Priti Patel resigned
0:12:15 > 0:12:23yesterday. She supported "Brexit" in the referendum, this keeps the
0:12:23 > 0:12:27delicate balance in cabinet, that is the theory. Iain Watson, has she
0:12:27 > 0:12:35done well, keeping this delicate balance?Certainly, a very vocal
0:12:35 > 0:12:39member of the vote Leave campaign, in fact, claiming that Britain could
0:12:39 > 0:12:45not veto Turkey's access into the European Union, that is somewhere
0:12:45 > 0:12:49off, and indeed, Britain could indeed have vetoed it, she was in
0:12:49 > 0:12:51the news during the course of the referendum campaign for her views
0:12:51 > 0:12:55but he was also liked by those who campaigned strongly for Britain to
0:12:55 > 0:12:58leave the European Union, she has many years of campaign experience
0:12:58 > 0:13:02working for the Conservative Party in head office and has junior
0:13:02 > 0:13:06ministerial experience as well. I am not sure that we can entirely see
0:13:06 > 0:13:12her appointment because of a "Brexit", Theresa May would like to
0:13:12 > 0:13:15keep a gender balance in the cabinet, she has brought in another
0:13:15 > 0:13:19woman with ministerial experience and kind of knocking on the door of
0:13:19 > 0:13:22the top team in the first place, because there was speculation when
0:13:22 > 0:13:27Michael Fallon was Defence Secretary, just a week or so ago,
0:13:27 > 0:13:34Penny Mordaunt, with experience, as an services Minister, coming from
0:13:34 > 0:13:37unarmed services background, reserve for the Royal Navy, may get
0:13:37 > 0:13:41promoted, that did not happen but it seemed perhaps not entirely logical
0:13:41 > 0:13:45that she would get elevated at some point. Certainly people like Iain
0:13:45 > 0:13:49Duncan Smith who campaigned strongly for leaving the European Union will
0:13:49 > 0:13:53be pleased to see somebody with her robust views sitting around the
0:13:53 > 0:13:56cabinet table.Don't go anywhere, I want to talk about pressure on
0:13:56 > 0:14:00another cabinet minister. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has
0:14:00 > 0:14:04not yet finished with those comments he made last week about a British
0:14:04 > 0:14:09Iranian woman who is in prison in Iran for allegedly trying to topple
0:14:09 > 0:14:15the government. These are the comments in question:look at what
0:14:15 > 0:14:22Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was doing, she was simply teaching people
0:14:22 > 0:14:25journalism, as I understand it.The Foreign Secretary saying that she
0:14:25 > 0:14:30was teaching people journalism, she has said she was not doing that, she
0:14:30 > 0:14:34was on holiday. This is a rainy state terror television with a
0:14:34 > 0:14:37report late last night, it has been reporting the comments of the
0:14:37 > 0:14:41Foreign Secretary and saying he unwittingly confirmed that in fact,
0:14:41 > 0:14:54Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was in Iran to train journalists.Iranians
0:14:54 > 0:14:59elevation story is a pushback against all the negative publicity
0:14:59 > 0:15:11that Iran has been getting over the incarceration of Nazanin
0:15:11 > 0:15:16Zaghari-Ratcliffe, the message to the public is basically Tom that we
0:15:16 > 0:15:23told you so, that she is a spy, that the British Foreign Secretary said
0:15:23 > 0:15:30so, and said that in British Parliament. Story raises the stakes
0:15:30 > 0:15:35in terms of the importance of the story for Iran and Britain's
0:15:35 > 0:15:44relations. For the visiting the next few weeks to Iran. An important
0:15:44 > 0:15:49problem that has to be resolved. But have this in mind, that the
0:15:49 > 0:15:56publicity, the gaffe, managed to generate, not only in the British
0:15:56 > 0:16:01media but also in the international media has helped to raise the
0:16:01 > 0:16:07profile of the story of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe and her
0:16:07 > 0:16:13predicament in Iran, and that might, in the end, actually help her.
0:16:13 > 0:16:18Interesting point, some supporters say in the long run, this could help
0:16:18 > 0:16:21but there are concerns from critics that it may cause Iran to increase
0:16:21 > 0:16:28the five year prison sentence she is already serving. As you may know, Mr
0:16:28 > 0:16:32Johnson appeared in Parliament to explain himself, and also face some
0:16:32 > 0:16:39of his critics.Kenny now give us an undertaking that in future he will
0:16:39 > 0:16:42concentrate on the very important matters he has within his brief as
0:16:42 > 0:16:46Foreign Secretary, to that end, could he give an undertaking to
0:16:46 > 0:16:51support the Prime Minister in her efforts, as in relation to the
0:16:51 > 0:16:57speech, for instance, and make sure his own ambitions are put secondary
0:16:57 > 0:17:00to the well-being of all my constituents and indeed everybody
0:17:00 > 0:17:06else in this country because that is his job!Comments in the House of
0:17:06 > 0:17:10Commons, back to you in Westminster, in political terms, is Boris Johnson
0:17:10 > 0:17:15out of the woods?I don't think he is out of the woods yet, but the
0:17:15 > 0:17:19reason that perhaps he has not been put out to new pastures is quite
0:17:19 > 0:17:22simply because Theresa May cannot afford another high profile
0:17:22 > 0:17:26resignation at this stage. As already lost two cabinet ministers,
0:17:26 > 0:17:32two other ministers investigated, internal investigations, by the
0:17:32 > 0:17:38civil service, over allegations. Two members of Parliament, they have
0:17:38 > 0:17:43been reported to the police. Over the sexual harassment scandal. For a
0:17:43 > 0:17:46government with such a narrow majority, dependent on the
0:17:46 > 0:17:50Democratic Unionists to prop it up, she does not want another
0:17:50 > 0:17:53high-profile departure at the moment, there is speculation she may
0:17:53 > 0:17:56have a more strategic reshuffle of her cabinet after the important
0:17:56 > 0:18:00budget towards the end of the month, possibly at that stage, possibly
0:18:00 > 0:18:08Boris Johnson will get moved, if he does not, is planning to visit Iran,
0:18:08 > 0:18:12planning to visit Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is -- himself, and
0:18:12 > 0:18:15his supporters would say, it is the reigning regime looking for
0:18:15 > 0:18:21propaganda, they are at full. Not simply what Boris Johnson said to
0:18:21 > 0:18:25that committee of MPs, whether or not she was training journalists,
0:18:25 > 0:18:30she was on holiday, but the Iranians are looking for excuses to put her
0:18:30 > 0:18:35in prison, rather than is this being simply resolved, and the Boris
0:18:35 > 0:18:37Johnson gaffe.Thank you very much.
0:18:37 > 0:18:38In a few
0:18:38 > 0:18:41minutes, we will talk about Yemen, the UN is now saying they could be
0:18:41 > 0:18:46facing the worst famine the world has seen for decades, echoes of a
0:18:46 > 0:18:57fresh blockade from Saudi Arabia.
0:18:58 > 0:19:02For the second time in a week, Theresa May has been forced to
0:19:02 > 0:19:07replace a cabinet minister. Penny Mordaunt has replaced Priti Patel as
0:19:07 > 0:19:11the new International Development Secretary. Priti Patel resigned
0:19:11 > 0:19:14saying she had not been transparent enough about high-level meetings
0:19:14 > 0:19:18with Israelis politicians while on holiday. Penny Mordaunt spoke with
0:19:18 > 0:19:23reporters after her appointment.I am delighted to have been appointed
0:19:23 > 0:19:27by the Prime Minister to be the new Secretary of State at the Department
0:19:27 > 0:19:30for International Development, looking forward to working with the
0:19:30 > 0:19:33team to continue building a safer, more secure, more prosperous world
0:19:33 > 0:19:39for us all. Really giving the British public pride in what we do.
0:19:39 > 0:19:43Are you going to protect Britain?It is my first day here, I am delighted
0:19:43 > 0:19:47to be here, I have already met some of the staff, we are doing terrific
0:19:47 > 0:19:51job, building a more safe, more secure, more prosperous world for us
0:19:51 > 0:19:56all. I want to continue doing that, and also give the British public
0:19:56 > 0:20:01confidence and pride in what we are doing.
0:20:11 > 0:20:15Let's talk about day two of President Trump's China visit, all
0:20:15 > 0:20:20getting very friendly, he called president Xi a special man, this is
0:20:20 > 0:20:26the statement, -- state newspaper in China, talking about the cooperative
0:20:26 > 0:20:32spirit, probably worth reminding us, it is not always been so cordial
0:20:32 > 0:20:37between Donald Trump and the Chinese.We have a lot of power with
0:20:37 > 0:20:40China, when China does not want to fix the problem in North Korea, we
0:20:40 > 0:20:45say, sorry, folks, you got to fix the problem, because we cannot
0:20:45 > 0:20:49continue to allow China to rape our country, and that is what they are
0:20:49 > 0:20:53doing, it is the greatest test in the history of the world.That was
0:20:53 > 0:20:59last year, this is today:meeting this morning in front of your
0:20:59 > 0:21:04representatives and my representative is, the was
0:21:04 > 0:21:08excellent. -- representatives. It was excellent. Discussing North
0:21:08 > 0:21:14Korea. I believe there is a solution to that, as you do, discussing trade
0:21:14 > 0:21:19with the United States. Numbing that the United States really has to
0:21:19 > 0:21:26change its policies because they have got so far behind on trade with
0:21:26 > 0:21:31China. And frankly with many other countries. I have great respect for
0:21:31 > 0:21:36you for that because you are representing China. But it is too
0:21:36 > 0:21:41bad that past administrations allowed it to get so far out of
0:21:41 > 0:21:51kilter. But we will make it fair, and it will be Mendis. My feeling
0:21:51 > 0:21:54towards you is an incredibly warm one, as we said. There is great
0:21:54 > 0:21:58chemistry. I think we are going to do tremendous things for both China
0:21:58 > 0:22:05and for the United States and it is a very great honour to be with you.
0:22:05 > 0:22:09You can see the chemistry in the eyes of president Ji Jin as he
0:22:09 > 0:22:14listens to Donald Trump and we have been watching that burgeoning
0:22:14 > 0:22:20romance from Beijing. -- Xi Extraordinarily effusively with from
0:22:20 > 0:22:25the leader of the free world to the leader of the world's largest
0:22:25 > 0:22:29commonest party and authoritarian state. What is behind it? On one
0:22:29 > 0:22:34hand, Donald Trump comes here seeking action on North Korea, which
0:22:34 > 0:22:38I suppose, you could say, then weakens his hand on demanding action
0:22:38 > 0:22:45simultaneously on trade. Some are suggesting that maybe this is Donald
0:22:45 > 0:22:50Trump's softening China up, a sucker punch for much more trouble to come
0:22:50 > 0:22:59down the line. Suggestions of trade action on products that China
0:22:59 > 0:23:03perceived to be dumping on the world markets. Once the US administration
0:23:03 > 0:23:08has had time to do the necessary legwork. But whatever way you look
0:23:08 > 0:23:12at it, at the moment, despite all this extraordinarily positive
0:23:12 > 0:23:16language, Donald Trump has walked away with very little, no action on
0:23:16 > 0:23:23the real issues facing US businesses, trying to operate here
0:23:23 > 0:23:27in China, rampant copyright theft, enforced technology transfer, that
0:23:27 > 0:23:31kind of thing, he has come away empty-handed. Critics will say
0:23:31 > 0:23:35Donald Trump is being played here, that this is the Chinese doing what
0:23:35 > 0:23:44they do very well, using flattery to stroke his ego. And, you know, the
0:23:44 > 0:23:49results are there for everyone to see.Lets look at these deals in
0:23:49 > 0:23:52more detail, plenty of them have been signed, estimated they could be
0:23:52 > 0:24:00worth up to $215 billion. Lots of people, throwing in caveats, before
0:24:00 > 0:24:04we look at this figure and get carried away. Melissa
0:24:25 > 0:24:29in New York, curious, in the American media, the more positive
0:24:29 > 0:24:35spin to the way these deals have turned out?Certainly getting a lot
0:24:35 > 0:24:39of criticism, a lot of pushback, a lot of questions, in terms of just
0:24:39 > 0:24:44how much of this is in fact new investment and how much of this is
0:24:44 > 0:24:50actually etched in stone. A lot of these deals are really, there are no
0:24:50 > 0:24:54contracts involved, they are memorandas of understanding, it
0:24:54 > 0:25:01allows the Chinese to walk away. What I think is interesting, if you
0:25:01 > 0:25:06look at the comment by the Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, even he
0:25:06 > 0:25:11admitted that these deals are indeed small.Nonetheless, some might say,
0:25:11 > 0:25:14given the rhetoric we heard from Donald Trump, the first work to do
0:25:14 > 0:25:18is just to improve relations between him and his counterpart, he has
0:25:18 > 0:25:24definitely succeeded on that front. A language he was using certainly
0:25:24 > 0:25:29much more positive but I would maybe argue that some of the things he is
0:25:29 > 0:25:34actually saying has not changed all that much. We did hear him talking
0:25:34 > 0:25:37about China and how they were able to take advantage of the United
0:25:37 > 0:25:42States. Pointing out the feelings of the United States and past
0:25:42 > 0:25:48administrations, rather than any full of China.Thank you very much.
0:25:48 > 0:25:52That is it for this half hour of Outside Source, I will be back with
0:25:52 > 0:25:55you in a couple of minutes time, with more of the biggest stories
0:25:55 > 0:26:00from around the world.
0:26:09 > 0:26:12After what has been an exceptionally warm start to the autumn across the
0:26:12 > 0:26:16North United States and eastern Canada, now looking at the first
0:26:16 > 0:26:22significant Arctic chill in this part of the world. You can see,
0:26:22 > 0:26:25significant deep blues pushing down into the Great Lakes and into the
0:26:25 > 0:26:31north-east as we head to the end of the week. Those blue colours
0:26:31 > 0:26:35penetrating as far south as the mid-Atlantic states, temperatures
0:26:35 > 0:26:40five or 6 degrees for New York and DC. Sub zero around the Great Lakes
0:26:40 > 0:26:43and into the Chicago area and across the south-east. Heavy rain moved
0:26:43 > 0:26:48through. Looks like it'll be a cold, frosty start into the start of the
0:26:48 > 0:26:53week and across the north-east, maybe a little less cold, cloudy as
0:26:53 > 0:26:58we head into Sunday and Monday. Into south Asia, northern India, in
0:26:58 > 0:27:03particular parts of Pakistan, smog problems persist because of light
0:27:03 > 0:27:07winds, area of high pressure, keeping the air trapped in,
0:27:07 > 0:27:11stagnant, building up here, hot and sunny as well, temperatures 30 to 34
0:27:11 > 0:27:16degrees. Officials are warning, this is a dangerous smog likely to
0:27:16 > 0:27:20persist for the next few days. People advised to stay indoors if
0:27:20 > 0:27:26they can. School closures across Delhi for the rest of the week.
0:27:26 > 0:27:33Across southern India and towards Sri Lanka, monsoon rains, very heavy
0:27:33 > 0:27:37in the past week, causing flooding in Chennai. To the Bay of Ben
0:27:37 > 0:27:43Gordon, disorganised area, some signs of circulation, turning into a
0:27:43 > 0:27:47tropical storm as we head on into next week full of we will keep you
0:27:47 > 0:27:52posted. Very heavy rain continues across the south-east of Asia,
0:27:52 > 0:27:56Thailand and into Indonesia and Mel Asia, this area is a tropical
0:27:56 > 0:27:59depression, bringing extremely torrential downpours into parts of
0:27:59 > 0:28:03the central northern Philippines. Into the weekend, pushing into the
0:28:03 > 0:28:10South China Sea, very heavy rain will impact North Vietnam until next
0:28:10 > 0:28:26week. Over into Europe, another area of low pressure developing. The
0:28:26 > 0:28:30thing sirocco wind up from the Sahara, perhaps poor air quality and
0:28:30 > 0:28:40lifted dust but thunderstorms will rake out, and a cold air will push
0:28:40 > 0:28:45and we will keep you updated. Close to home, little bit quieter, a run
0:28:45 > 0:28:53of north-westerly wind, plenty of sunshine around. Heavy rain will
0:28:53 > 0:28:58push into the West. Stay tuned for the UK weather forecast.
0:30:08 > 0:30:15Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, welcome to Outside Source.
0:30:15 > 0:30:19Saudi Arabia is telling its citizens in Lebanon on to leave the country
0:30:19 > 0:30:23immediately. Many Lebanese and now fearing they are being dragged into
0:30:23 > 0:30:28a wider cold war between Saudi Arabia and's. Yemen is facing the
0:30:28 > 0:30:35worst famine that the world has seen for decades after a new Saudi
0:30:35 > 0:30:44blockade was introduced. -- Iran. Another round of talks and there
0:30:44 > 0:30:48hasn't been much progress at so the pressure is ratcheting up. Donald
0:30:48 > 0:30:52Trump has been in China and talking trade. He has been lavishing praise
0:30:52 > 0:30:56on the Chinese president, that he has come away from the Chinese
0:30:56 > 0:31:01capital empty-handed. And we will turn to this in a moment, a
0:31:01 > 0:31:06well-known British big wave server has broken his back in Portugal and
0:31:06 > 0:31:18he has been talking to the BBC. And you can get in touch on Twitter.
0:31:18 > 0:31:23Batted surfer.
0:31:26 > 0:31:31We have had the starkest of warnings from the UN today. It says a new
0:31:31 > 0:31:37Saudi blockade of Yemen could create the worst famines in decades. This
0:31:37 > 0:31:39blockade was brought in because rebels in Yemen fired a rocket
0:31:39 > 0:31:50towards the main airport in Riyadh. The Saudi say this new blockade is
0:31:50 > 0:31:55to stop weapons reaching rebels in Yemen. Iran denies sending arms to
0:31:55 > 0:32:01Yemen. We can be sure that millions of civilians are caught up in a
0:32:01 > 0:32:09humanitarian disaster. Our BBC correspondent is from Yemen and talk
0:32:09 > 0:32:14to us.We have been covering this story for nearly three years since
0:32:14 > 0:32:17the situation began and it gets worse and worse. Already Yemen's
0:32:17 > 0:32:26main port was barely able to be functioning. Food, and aid was
0:32:26 > 0:32:33trickling in. We had other reports that in the south of the country
0:32:33 > 0:32:38held by the Government was allowing in food aid and supplies. Yemen
0:32:38 > 0:32:42replies on imports from 94% of its food, fuel and medicines and now
0:32:42 > 0:32:47none of that is coming in. In a country where 7 million people rely
0:32:47 > 0:32:51solely on this aid, it is terrifying what could happen in the next few
0:32:51 > 0:32:55weeks. The UN is already saying that the supplies in the country now will
0:32:55 > 0:33:01run out in the next six weeks. So, it is getting worse.The blockade
0:33:01 > 0:33:07has only been in place for a few days, as it orally had an impact?A
0:33:07 > 0:33:11huge impact. Overnight, from when it was announced, the price of fuel
0:33:11 > 0:33:16went up 60%. And when the price of fuel shoots up, the price of
0:33:16 > 0:33:20everything across the country shoots up. And in Yemen, the whole
0:33:20 > 0:33:25population is already struggling to pay for food, to pay for fuel and
0:33:25 > 0:33:30clean water. It is having a devastating effect already. Everyday
0:33:30 > 0:33:35counts. Everyday extra that the blockade is imposed on Yemen is
0:33:35 > 0:33:39having catastrophic consequences on the ground.Quite often when we talk
0:33:39 > 0:33:47to you it is about cholera. Presumably, I was just mentioning
0:33:47 > 0:33:50the difficulty with bringing in certain treatments and that will
0:33:50 > 0:33:54also be impacted by this blockade? And using cholera as an example, and
0:33:54 > 0:33:58this is not the only example. The UN is talking about measles and polio,
0:33:58 > 0:34:05but cholera especially just two weeks ago NGOs were announcing they
0:34:05 > 0:34:11can contain cholera at 900,000 cases. But today the UN announced
0:34:11 > 0:34:14that chlorine tablets that chlorinated water to stop cholera
0:34:14 > 0:34:18from spreading had been blocked. This already is having an impact.
0:34:18 > 0:34:22There are villages across Yemen who are in desperate need of these
0:34:22 > 0:34:25chlorine tablets to stop cholera spreading but they have in stock and
0:34:25 > 0:34:30are running out.Much as we appreciate you being here, I'm sure
0:34:30 > 0:34:38you would it prefer to be in Yemen but you cannot getting?The border
0:34:38 > 0:34:42is sealed with no aeroplanes able to get in. You cannot go by car or boat
0:34:42 > 0:34:46and there is no way of me getting in. But really it is the people
0:34:46 > 0:34:50inside who have no escape from this war.There is much more information
0:34:50 > 0:34:56on this conflict in Yemen from the BBC news website. And on that
0:34:56 > 0:35:02website most read story in the moment is about one of Britain's's
0:35:02 > 0:35:07best-known big wave surfers. He broke his back in a huge wipe-out.
0:35:07 > 0:35:13In Portugal, it is known for its vast waves. Some reach over 100 feet
0:35:13 > 0:35:17high. Unfortunately Andrew Cotton, Kerry is lying on his hospital bed.
0:35:17 > 0:35:23It did not go to plan this week. This is the video that everyone has
0:35:23 > 0:35:28been watching, let me play it for you. When it starts you get the
0:35:28 > 0:35:32scale of this wave, you cannot even see the bottom and there is the top.
0:35:32 > 0:35:36Andrew Cotton is moving across to his left, the problem starts when
0:35:36 > 0:35:40the lip of this wave starts crashing down before he has time to get
0:35:40 > 0:35:45beyond the lip of the wave and get along the barrel. He years and years
0:35:45 > 0:35:51in serious trouble he gets caught up in stock what you need to watch out
0:35:51 > 0:35:55for is Andrew Wright in the middle of the wave picked up and turned
0:35:55 > 0:35:58over, and as the video goes on you see him land in the water and it is
0:35:58 > 0:36:04that impact which broke his back. Then he disappears from sight. If
0:36:04 > 0:36:08you know him, he is a cheerful guy even in difficult circumstances. He
0:36:08 > 0:36:19has been speaking to the BBC.
0:36:21 > 0:36:28This afternoon his boat was and described what had happened.It was
0:36:28 > 0:36:35a different wave, it was a lot heavier and I faded a bit deep and
0:36:35 > 0:36:39miss timed it. It is just one of those things, it could have been the
0:36:39 > 0:36:42best wave of my life or the worst wipe-out. Unfortunately was the
0:36:42 > 0:36:48worst wipe-out. When this latest wipe-out comes three years after
0:36:48 > 0:36:51Andrew was hit by another massive wave of the coast of Portugal. He
0:36:51 > 0:36:55said he has not been put off and wants to be back in the water as
0:36:55 > 0:36:59soon as possible. But with his wife and children back in Devon letting?
0:36:59 > 0:37:06They are obviously concerned and that children joke about it, that I
0:37:06 > 0:37:11have managed to make a career by falling off and they think it is
0:37:11 > 0:37:16hilarious.Andrew might though his wife to a special vest he was
0:37:16 > 0:37:22wearing over his wet suit to protect him from impact. He hopes he will
0:37:22 > 0:37:30never get a soaking like this again. -- over his life.
0:37:32 > 0:37:38If you want to see that video you can find it online. This took about
0:37:38 > 0:37:42Twitter, not about its new 280 character rule, but because it is
0:37:42 > 0:37:46dropping those politics. The ones that verify certain people's
0:37:46 > 0:37:51identities. This has been announced right in the middle of a controversy
0:37:51 > 0:37:57about this man. He is Jason Kessler, a white supremacist who was given a
0:37:57 > 0:38:01bluetit by Twitter. You might remember during clashes in
0:38:01 > 0:38:04Charlottesville in the summer, this was the guy that try to give a press
0:38:04 > 0:38:07conference and then was chased away by opposition protesters. Let's
0:38:07 > 0:38:13bring in the technology correspondence of the BBC. These two
0:38:13 > 0:38:21stories directly connected?I think the main concern is that bluetit
0:38:21 > 0:38:24which has been a key feature of Twitter for quite some time to make
0:38:24 > 0:38:37sure that people who say they are who they are. But because this is
0:38:37 > 0:38:43widened out its validation scheme, anyone can get a ticket if they
0:38:43 > 0:38:49confirm their identity. It has been seen to be an endorsement from
0:38:49 > 0:38:54Twitter and confirm the views of the people. It Twitter says this is not
0:38:54 > 0:38:58the case and its inter-confirms that this people is real. It is a
0:38:58 > 0:39:03acknowledge that they can see why people might be confused. Until they
0:39:03 > 0:39:09figure that out they are going to suspend giving new ones out to
0:39:09 > 0:39:13general users. It is not a huge change but Twitter is just taking a
0:39:13 > 0:39:18bit more time to be careful about who gets that on their platform and
0:39:18 > 0:39:24who doesn't.I thought the whole idea was that if I wanted to pretend
0:39:24 > 0:39:28I was you and say lots of things that you wouldn't want said in your
0:39:28 > 0:39:32name, this would clear up whether it was me pretending to be you actually
0:39:32 > 0:39:37you?And that is still the intention. It is not going away as
0:39:37 > 0:39:41such, but they are temporarily halting the process of giving out
0:39:41 > 0:39:45new ones until they work out a manner in which they can show that
0:39:45 > 0:39:48people are authentic but it does not look like Twitter is saying that
0:39:48 > 0:39:54they agree with what people are saying. It is nice and blue, it sits
0:39:54 > 0:39:59next to people and says yes this is good in a way. I think people would
0:39:59 > 0:40:01change the design to say this is authentic but we don't necessarily
0:40:01 > 0:40:06agree with what is being said.If you follow him on Twitter you will
0:40:06 > 0:40:09find one by his name! If you want more on the stories we are covering
0:40:09 > 0:40:22you can get them on our website. To a fascinating story that has come
0:40:22 > 0:40:25out today about researchers who has found that wins that are sustained
0:40:25 > 0:40:36in the daytime he'll faster than wins sustained at night. The full
0:40:36 > 0:40:43study has been published online the details how a tiny body clock in
0:40:43 > 0:40:47every cell helps the healing process. That is far as I am taking
0:40:47 > 0:40:55it, I will let James to pick up the story.It allows... One of the
0:40:55 > 0:40:59things scientists have discovered that the ability of skin to heal
0:40:59 > 0:41:03wounds fluctuates in the 24-hour pattern and it is easier to heal
0:41:03 > 0:41:07wounds ended a time rather than not. Our skeleton gives a structure and
0:41:07 > 0:41:15helped us move around. Each back individual skills as a site smacks
0:41:15 > 0:41:19skeleton. It becomes more mobile during the day, if you have a
0:41:19 > 0:41:24wounds, and you need cells to flood into it and fill that gap. Because
0:41:24 > 0:41:27they are more mobile during the day they are more able to seal the
0:41:27 > 0:41:35wounds. You do not choose when you need a emergency Caesarean section.
0:41:35 > 0:41:40Can you take advantage of this in the middle of the night? There are
0:41:40 > 0:41:44some steroids that help reset the body clock. If you rub it into your
0:41:44 > 0:41:47skin it would change the clock inside of those cells. The idea is
0:41:47 > 0:41:50that maybe you can rub in some steroid before doing the operation.
0:41:50 > 0:41:54That still needs to be tested but is one way you can take advantage of
0:41:54 > 0:42:01this.We are finishing early because next on the BBC news channel, the
0:42:01 > 0:42:04former Prime Minister Gordon Brown has been warning that the UK may hit
0:42:04 > 0:42:08a crisis point by next summer as Brexit edges closer. He is also
0:42:08 > 0:42:12saying that he is now in favour of a second referendum on the issue. He
0:42:12 > 0:42:19is in and extended escutcheon with the BBC political editor.Are
0:42:19 > 0:42:24writing a book about tax havens and how in 2009 we try to bring all
0:42:24 > 0:42:29these tax havens into line, to name and shame, to say they are
0:42:29 > 0:42:32noncompliant and amount immediate action. It has been far too slow,
0:42:32 > 0:42:38there are tax havens around the need to be brought in. You need
0:42:38 > 0:42:40sanctions, you say he will be outside the international community
0:42:40 > 0:42:45if you don't act. They could be arrest warrants for people to are
0:42:45 > 0:42:49the institutions and the Government is taking action. You must clamp
0:42:49 > 0:42:53down on this. We have had revelations of the number and scale
0:42:53 > 0:42:59of abuse. I think it is $7 trillion that is now outside the scope of tax
0:42:59 > 0:43:03authorities. That means that if we could take action in Britain today,
0:43:03 > 0:43:08Philip Hammond in his budget could do two things that need to be done.
0:43:08 > 0:43:11He can reverse the Universal Credit cuts and have justice for people on
0:43:11 > 0:43:16benefits. He could also refinance the NHS which needs 20 billion by 20
0:43:16 > 0:43:2022. There is enough money locked away in tax havens to be brought
0:43:20 > 0:43:24back to this country and it is time we got the international community
0:43:24 > 0:43:29working together to achieve it. We had it in 2009, the unity then
0:43:29 > 0:43:33dissipated. America has not played ball be honest. It is time that some
0:43:33 > 0:43:36countries like Britain put pressure on other international community
0:43:36 > 0:43:40members to take action now. This is the moment of opportunity.Many
0:43:40 > 0:43:45people would say that a lot of the scheme is now an operation, a lot of
0:43:45 > 0:43:49them began in the era when you were one of the most powerful economic
0:43:49 > 0:43:54ministers in the world. You were the Chancellor for many years during a
0:43:54 > 0:43:59period when the sort of behaviour prospered.I did 11 budgets from
0:43:59 > 0:44:041997, and everyone we had action against tax abuses like this and we
0:44:04 > 0:44:08were trying to close loopholes. But you have to have cooperation from
0:44:08 > 0:44:12other countries. You cannot close down a tax haven in some sort of
0:44:12 > 0:44:16far-away place unless you have cooperation from all the other
0:44:16 > 0:44:22countries. Our first battle was with Europe. Luxembourg and Austria were
0:44:22 > 0:44:25tax havens and we had to bring them into line. Once we had done that
0:44:25 > 0:44:33which I was part of, we had to get America and others on board. Now
0:44:33 > 0:44:35with America demanding tax information from other countries but
0:44:35 > 0:44:40not giving it itself. That reciprocity has to happen, otherwise
0:44:40 > 0:44:45there is a dent in the armoury we have to tackle tax. It was the
0:44:45 > 0:44:48biggest issue at the G20 in 2009. Residents were threatening to walk
0:44:48 > 0:44:54out. The Chinese Government would never allow account to be named as a
0:44:54 > 0:44:58tax haven and noncompliant. We got an agreement then and which it is
0:44:58 > 0:45:02possible to do it now. I would spend a lot of time now if people asked me
0:45:02 > 0:45:05to try and bring countries together so we could actually enforce the
0:45:05 > 0:45:11agreements we have made. Instead of signing documents and never
0:45:11 > 0:45:14implementing them we actually got action. The benefit of money for the
0:45:14 > 0:45:19NHS or public services... Any fairness. People in Britain are
0:45:19 > 0:45:23paying taxes and then may find other people who are richer than they are
0:45:23 > 0:45:28not paying taxes at all and this is a problem not of individuals, but a
0:45:28 > 0:45:31problem of institutions, accountants and governments who felt to take
0:45:31 > 0:45:40action.Are you suggesting yourself as some international tax is our?
0:45:40 > 0:45:44I'm watching this position today I believe there will be a million
0:45:44 > 0:45:47signature within hours. I believe the Argentinian presidency should
0:45:47 > 0:45:50take this up. I don't think that once we have seen this evidence,
0:45:50 > 0:45:55because right to the top in many countries. I think one third of
0:45:55 > 0:45:58leaders were named in the Panama Papers. We did not see this evidence
0:45:58 > 0:46:03when I was in Government. You can't beat this underdressed. I come back
0:46:03 > 0:46:07to the fact that it is money for the NHS and to deal with Universal
0:46:07 > 0:46:11Credit. It is money to deal with the problems of housing in our country.
0:46:11 > 0:46:15It is being denied to is because a few people are being allowed through
0:46:15 > 0:46:17institutional devices and accountants to put their money
0:46:17 > 0:46:21somewhere Russ and it is not fair. You talk of international
0:46:21 > 0:46:26cooperation and when you were Chancellor you crack down on
0:46:26 > 0:46:34Luxembourg and Belgium. You were very vocal joined the referendum
0:46:34 > 0:46:38campaign. I knew convinced that Brexit will actually happen?I think
0:46:38 > 0:46:41what will happen is that we will come to a crisis point next summer.
0:46:41 > 0:46:45I can't tell you exactly how it will work itself out but this is what
0:46:45 > 0:46:50will happen. By next summer, the public will have made up their mind
0:46:50 > 0:46:54that the four red line is that the Government had set in place are not
0:46:54 > 0:46:58going to be achieved. We will not have proper control the borders. We
0:46:58 > 0:47:02will not have proper control of our money. We are still paying loads of
0:47:02 > 0:47:06money to the EU. We will not have proper control of our courts and law
0:47:06 > 0:47:10because we will still be governed in many ways by the ECJ and we won't
0:47:10 > 0:47:14have proper control of trade because we won't have individual trade
0:47:14 > 0:47:19agreements. All the propositions that were made by the Leave camp,
0:47:19 > 0:47:23including remember that 350 million weeks of the NHS, they are not being
0:47:23 > 0:47:27achieved. Next summer, we have to assess the position. In my view you
0:47:27 > 0:47:31cannot go back to the electorate and say you were wrong. You can't do
0:47:31 > 0:47:35that. People have made the decision and it is right to see that respect.
0:47:35 > 0:47:39In a democracy, once a decision has been made, and it was made in
0:47:39 > 0:47:43Scotland, you have to respect it in each area it is made. But what you
0:47:43 > 0:47:46can say, is that is their A-game changer? Was there something we
0:47:46 > 0:47:51didn't get right the last time that would persuade millions of Leave
0:47:51 > 0:47:55voters to think it is worth going for Remain? And that game changer
0:47:55 > 0:47:59must have the support of the rest of Europe because we can get it through
0:47:59 > 0:48:02otherwise. I would like to see a situation at the end of negotiations
0:48:02 > 0:48:06that says that is what you get when you leave. But is there something
0:48:06 > 0:48:09else that is a game changer that you get if you are prepared to stay? You
0:48:09 > 0:48:13cannot do this until next summer and not without a great deal of work.
0:48:13 > 0:48:17You would have to say selling about migration, about the courts, about
0:48:17 > 0:48:22money. But I think that is the point that the nation should be given new
0:48:22 > 0:48:25information about what is possible. I'm not advocating a referendum at
0:48:25 > 0:48:31this stage. I am not advocating a change of position in that respect.
0:48:31 > 0:48:36What I am saying is, let us look at the facts next summer when we know
0:48:36 > 0:48:40the promises that were made by the Leave campaign will not have been
0:48:40 > 0:48:45achieved.But you are suggesting there is another opportunity?They
0:48:45 > 0:48:49can only be done if there is new evidence and new information that we
0:48:49 > 0:48:53can bring to bear to the public. For example, in Switzerland at the
0:48:53 > 0:48:59moment they have made an agreement with the EU, under Freedom of
0:48:59 > 0:49:05movement. Jobs are registered at job centres with local people. There is
0:49:05 > 0:49:07an agreement that people who don't get a job in Switzerland, they
0:49:07 > 0:49:13cannot stay forever as EU citizens. Belgium have been engaged in new
0:49:13 > 0:49:18agreement about freedom of movement. France is talking about as they
0:49:18 > 0:49:23call, social dumping of workers. There is a lot that is happening the
0:49:23 > 0:49:27EU that... The problem is that David Cameron came back with a really
0:49:27 > 0:49:32negotiation and nobody remembers a thing about it. Mrs Thatcher, to her
0:49:32 > 0:49:36credit, went back to Brussels and everybody knew she had won a budget
0:49:36 > 0:49:41addition and she got extra money. Even Harold Wilson in 1975 came back
0:49:41 > 0:49:45and had someone to say about New Zealand butter and everything else.
0:49:45 > 0:49:49We have nothing to say in the referendum that was of benefit to
0:49:49 > 0:49:52renegotiation and nobody remembers a word of it. There are things in
0:49:52 > 0:49:56changing in Europe to look at.To be clear, you are suggesting that the
0:49:56 > 0:50:03Labour Party should be holding out the possibility of people revisiting
0:50:03 > 0:50:07the decision if things change in the EU.I do think at this point you
0:50:07 > 0:50:11should have another referendum.But that possibility should be on the
0:50:11 > 0:50:16table?What I think you should be saying is, is then you evidence or a
0:50:16 > 0:50:19game changer or something that is different from what we have learned
0:50:19 > 0:50:22about what is happening in Europe, all what is happening in Britain
0:50:22 > 0:50:26that we have to look at. And the right time to assess that is when we
0:50:26 > 0:50:30have on the table what we think will be an inadequate achievement that
0:50:30 > 0:50:33bridges the red lines and does not give the Leave campaign the
0:50:33 > 0:50:37satisfaction that it had of all these games from leaving Europe.Do
0:50:37 > 0:50:45you think the Labour Party should argue that now?-- gains. Let me put
0:50:45 > 0:50:50it the other way. I think you will find the next summer that Kier
0:50:50 > 0:50:53Starmer and Jeremy Corbyn are exactly on the same page with what I
0:50:53 > 0:50:58am saying. If the agreement is unsatisfactory and if there is, this
0:50:58 > 0:51:02is the challenge of people like me and others, that digitally people in
0:51:02 > 0:51:05the House of Commons. If they can show that there is a game changing
0:51:05 > 0:51:09moment where you can say to the Leave voters this is what you were
0:51:09 > 0:51:14told then, and it was actually the politics of fear them to be honest.
0:51:14 > 0:51:18This is the positive thing we could get out of Europe now, there may be
0:51:18 > 0:51:23scope for a reassessment. I would not put it higher than that and say
0:51:23 > 0:51:27it is in every double of another referendum and tell people...That
0:51:27 > 0:51:31they were wrong and you were right. Some sort of false consciousness.
0:51:31 > 0:51:35People voted for very real reasons. They were dissatisfied with global
0:51:35 > 0:51:39institutions. I think that has to be respected. But there are things that
0:51:39 > 0:51:42are changing and changing within Europe and could change within
0:51:42 > 0:51:46Britain that could make a reassessment possible.But to many
0:51:46 > 0:51:52Leave voters, does that not still sound that you're sticking your
0:51:52 > 0:51:55things in your ears?I don't think so. When I look at the evidence, I
0:51:55 > 0:51:58look at people who were worried about migration. But there were
0:51:58 > 0:52:02worried about a something for nothing culture. They felt people
0:52:02 > 0:52:05came to the country, when using the services of this country and not
0:52:05 > 0:52:09giving enough in return. It was not that they were against people
0:52:09 > 0:52:13filling jobs that other people didn't want to fill. It felt like
0:52:13 > 0:52:17they were getting something for nothing.He said the referendum use
0:52:17 > 0:52:20the politics of fear. You would a Prime Minister to first used the
0:52:20 > 0:52:24phrase British jobs of British workers.But I used it in the
0:52:24 > 0:52:27context of the training British workers for the challenge of
0:52:27 > 0:52:31globalisation. If you look at the context in which I spoke, I was
0:52:31 > 0:52:35talking about how we had to retrain British people for the jobs
0:52:35 > 0:52:39available. When people complained that others were taking the jobs. I
0:52:39 > 0:52:43said let's retrain British people. That is a different thing. I went to
0:52:43 > 0:52:49David Cameron before the referendum and said, set up the fund for the
0:52:49 > 0:52:52impact that the challenges that unions these are facing as a result
0:52:52 > 0:52:57of high migration. And show we are taking action to help those people
0:52:57 > 0:53:00who are worried about their jobs or worried that people are getting
0:53:00 > 0:53:05something for nothing. We did not do that. There was no initiatives such
0:53:05 > 0:53:09as an immigration action fund. That should have been done and a lot of
0:53:09 > 0:53:12people argued later that that was a big mistake. There are things that
0:53:12 > 0:53:18can be done. Let's be realistic. The people had voted. The result has to
0:53:18 > 0:53:23be accepted. It is only if there is a game changer, something new, that
0:53:23 > 0:53:26I then think you could go to the people and say look, do you want to
0:53:26 > 0:53:29reassess that? I'm not even saying at this stage it could have a
0:53:29 > 0:53:34referendum.You say that on the EU Kier Starmer and Jeremy Corbyn will
0:53:34 > 0:53:39come around to your way of thinking. Not just as a former leader, but as
0:53:39 > 0:53:42a student of Labour Party history, you look at the Labour Party now and
0:53:42 > 0:53:47think they are ready for Government? Jeremy Corbyn is a nominal. We have
0:53:47 > 0:53:55to accept that, he disagreed with me on many issues. He probably voted
0:53:55 > 0:53:59against me 500 times! I respect the fact that he is a phenomenal. He is
0:53:59 > 0:54:03expressing peoples anger about Universal Credit about what happened
0:54:03 > 0:54:08at Grenfell Tower, about affordable housing, about inequality in our
0:54:08 > 0:54:12country, about tuition fees. He is articulating that anger. I know from
0:54:12 > 0:54:16my experience, and Tony Blair will tell you as well, you go back to
0:54:16 > 0:54:19first principles in opposition and look at whether you have your
0:54:19 > 0:54:23principles right. Then you have a plan about a programme in
0:54:23 > 0:54:28Government. Then you have to go out and win public support. Jeremy
0:54:28 > 0:54:32Corbyn has got potentially, five years into the general election. He
0:54:32 > 0:54:36builds from his principles into a plan and into a popular programme
0:54:36 > 0:54:41that he then wins public support. That is his challenge. To be honest,
0:54:41 > 0:54:45I'm thinking myself more about what happens in the long-term future. I
0:54:45 > 0:54:49have no special insight into what is happening today in Westminster. But
0:54:49 > 0:54:54in the long-term it is clear to me that the old neoliberal consensus,
0:54:54 > 0:54:58which was basically inequality is good for growth, you never have
0:54:58 > 0:55:01deficit financing because that is building up unacceptable debt, that
0:55:01 > 0:55:04is all gone. It is completely discredited. It took ten years from
0:55:04 > 0:55:10the financial recession for it to be discredited. I could not win the
0:55:10 > 0:55:13argument for stimulus for the economy in 2010. People were worried
0:55:13 > 0:55:17about debt and deficits and thought it was the equivalent of incest. I
0:55:17 > 0:55:21could not win the argument with the people and I regret that because we
0:55:21 > 0:55:25then had seven years of wasted austerities and this is a lost game.
0:55:25 > 0:55:27People have now come both internationally and in Britain to
0:55:27 > 0:55:32the view that the right form of economic policy is when you combine
0:55:32 > 0:55:36social justice, economic efficiency and environmental sustainability and
0:55:36 > 0:55:47there is a new wave of support for collective action in this country.