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0:00:04 > 0:00:09Fraud and cheating costs us billions, money that could be spent

0:00:09 > 0:00:13on schools, hospitals and those in genuine need effectively stolen

0:00:13 > 0:00:19away. Tonight's Panorama exposes those who're abusing the system to

0:00:19 > 0:00:24fund their lifestyles. Meet the man sailing the seas on

0:00:24 > 0:00:32his yacht while claiming Incapacity Benefit. This is a Saturday evening

0:00:32 > 0:00:42sipping my gin back there... Meet the man on benefits driving a

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0:00:44 > 0:00:49Bentley and running a posh Meet the man suspected of using one

0:00:49 > 0:00:57fake name to get benefits after using another one to stay in the

0:00:57 > 0:01:01country. So you and him are the same person? Got there at last.

0:01:01 > 0:01:08Excuse me... Meet the people who block off disabled parking bays

0:01:08 > 0:01:14using permits that aren't theirs. No, I had to go the other side...

0:01:14 > 0:01:19You nearly run us over... All those caught claiming disability benefits

0:01:19 > 0:01:23but spending their days playing sport. Fraud Cos us all much-needed

0:01:23 > 0:01:31cash. Each time fraud takes place, it means that public expenditure

0:01:32 > 0:01:36reductions have to be more painful, more jobs have to go. Mr Sussams, a

0:01:36 > 0:01:46couple of questions... Swindling from those who need it most.

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0:01:50 > 0:01:53�22 billion a year, according to the latest research - that is how

0:01:53 > 0:01:58much fraud and error costs the Government. A significant chunk of

0:01:58 > 0:02:04that is benefit fraud, a conthat's so common, many of us know someone

0:02:04 > 0:02:09who's at it. Tonight, we'll spend time with those trying to catch

0:02:09 > 0:02:14them, chasing people they believe are claiming what's not theirs.

0:02:14 > 0:02:20Like this man, Graham Axford, Croydon Council think he's lied to

0:02:20 > 0:02:25get a flat and gets Incapacity Benefit he may not be entitled to.

0:02:25 > 0:02:30Andrea Cordery works for the council and is investigating him.

0:02:30 > 0:02:34Well, this case was referred to us in about 2009 and we've been

0:02:34 > 0:02:38investigating for quite a while. so he's on disability benefit

0:02:38 > 0:02:42through your council? Yes. So he's getting disability, cash for that?

0:02:42 > 0:02:49Yes. But what, he's got a property in France? And also we discovered

0:02:49 > 0:02:54that he owns a yacht. He's got a yacht? Yes. And it's been said that

0:02:54 > 0:02:59he's been heard boasting about travelling around the world in his

0:02:59 > 0:03:03yacht. Where's he been boasting? a local pub.

0:03:04 > 0:03:11So, the council think Graham Axford lives a life subsidised by benefits

0:03:11 > 0:03:16he shouldn't have. Well, we want to see for ourselves. This is where

0:03:16 > 0:03:20the council believes he's been leading a secret life. He has his

0:03:20 > 0:03:26flat in Croydon, but here in Normandy, they think he has another

0:03:26 > 0:03:31home. Extraordinary as it may sound, a 42 foot yacht too. We are in

0:03:31 > 0:03:37northern France and this is the town of Carentan, very pretty. This

0:03:37 > 0:03:47is where he think that Axford's boat is. So it's time that I had a

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0:03:57 > 0:04:05We hear the boat is out of the water in a repair yard. OK, so this

0:04:05 > 0:04:10is the boat yard just at the back of the marina. And there is

0:04:10 > 0:04:15Axford's boat, crumb bet 250 it's called. It's -- Crumpet Too it's

0:04:15 > 0:04:19called. It's here because it's for sale. I'm quite keen to have a look

0:04:19 > 0:04:23inside. The plan, now we've found it, is to get an undercover

0:04:23 > 0:04:33reporter to go and meet Mr Axford and have a chat with him about his

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0:04:33 > 0:04:38boat. Maybe make a bid for Crumpet Too. Our undercover reporter chats

0:04:38 > 0:04:43to a guy in the boat yard who knows Graham Axford. He's happy to show

0:04:43 > 0:04:53us around and help us aboard Crumpet Too. It's a fine boat and

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0:04:54 > 0:04:57it's big, 42 foot long, space for six people on board. It's got a

0:04:57 > 0:05:02radar for long distance navigation and a short wave radio. This is a

0:05:02 > 0:05:08yacht that looks like it's done some serious miles. The cabin is

0:05:08 > 0:05:14well lived in. Not bad for a man who's also got his council flat and

0:05:14 > 0:05:18benefits in Croydon. The boat might look a bit tatty, but done up, it's

0:05:18 > 0:05:26an ocean-going yacht worth �60,000. So we've seen his boat, next we'll

0:05:26 > 0:05:29need to try and meet the owner. Nationally, fraud is on the rise.

0:05:30 > 0:05:35The latest research suggests that since the downturn hit three years

0:05:35 > 0:05:44ago, fraud has shot up by 30%. That means more pressure than ever on

0:05:44 > 0:05:48those paid to catch cheats. Kiri Tharan has been an investigator for

0:05:48 > 0:05:5125 years and leads a team in Hillingdon in London tackling those

0:05:51 > 0:05:54who use false identity documents to claim benefits. It's an

0:05:54 > 0:06:00increasingly common way of cheating the system and Kiri is worried

0:06:00 > 0:06:04about the high number of cases involving fake passports. That's

0:06:05 > 0:06:09the fake passport is it? One of them. It looks and feels real,

0:06:09 > 0:06:13doesn't it? Yes. It's not real. to you? No. But you could see how

0:06:13 > 0:06:17it would trick people? Yes. What do you think about this supply of

0:06:17 > 0:06:21fraudulent passports. What is your hunch? Someone must be making a lot

0:06:21 > 0:06:25of money out of it. Do you think it's something they could have done

0:06:25 > 0:06:32between them, do you think? it's a lot more organised. Why not?

0:06:33 > 0:06:37This is the ninth or tenth case we've come across.

0:06:38 > 0:06:42A few days later, and an early start for Kiri's team. Working with

0:06:42 > 0:06:46the police, they're about to raid a suspect's house. We believe he's on

0:06:46 > 0:06:51income support and is claiming carers' allowance for an elderly

0:06:51 > 0:06:57lady who is around 90. We've got to take a bit of care there. What we

0:06:57 > 0:07:00are looking to do is find any identity documents. If we don't

0:07:00 > 0:07:04find anything in that name, we'll look at any other documents at the

0:07:04 > 0:07:07address. Anybody got any questions...

0:07:07 > 0:07:17These early morning raids have become a regular occurrence for

0:07:17 > 0:07:24Kiri and the team. Can you open the door? It's the police...

0:07:24 > 0:07:29The man who lives here is suspected of using a fake Passport to Get

0:07:29 > 0:07:35benefits. You are under arrest for presenting a false Passport to The

0:07:35 > 0:07:41council. Have you got the passport on you? They have a warrant to

0:07:41 > 0:07:45search through his possessions. They find the pass ports and start

0:07:45 > 0:07:55making checks. The -- passports. Your grandmother lives at this

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0:07:58 > 0:08:03address, yes. How long you been The arrested man is supposed to be

0:08:03 > 0:08:13caring for a 90-year-old woman, but she's not here. He's not happy and

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0:08:23 > 0:08:28he doesn't want to answer questions You don't have to explain anything

0:08:28 > 0:08:33to me. Do you have a number for the French Embassy? I think we need to

0:08:33 > 0:08:38give them a ring. It turns out the passport is legal, but digging

0:08:38 > 0:08:48around, it looks like the old woman, who the man is claiming carers'

0:08:48 > 0:08:52allowance for, isn't even living here. I don't think this room at

0:08:52 > 0:08:59least looks like it's occupied. I don't think she has lived here for

0:09:00 > 0:09:04some time. The question is, where is she? It also looks as though

0:09:04 > 0:09:11benefits with being claimed in the old lady's name both here in

0:09:11 > 0:09:15Hillingdon and in the Netherlands. That's interesting. Although there

0:09:15 > 0:09:22was nothing wrong with that passport, the council are checking

0:09:22 > 0:09:27records in Holland. They plan to re-interview the arrested man. He

0:09:27 > 0:09:32says he's done nothing wrong. Kiri is still suspicious. In this case,

0:09:32 > 0:09:35he's claiming for someone else who hasn't been living in this country.

0:09:36 > 0:09:39That's my suspicion. We'll find out when he get to the office by

0:09:39 > 0:09:45getting in touch with the Dutch authorities. We are looking at

0:09:45 > 0:09:51large sums of money here. We've got Housing Benefit, council tax

0:09:51 > 0:09:55benefit. He's also in receipt of carers' allowance. On the

0:09:55 > 0:09:58department and Work and Pensions side, we've got income support. I

0:09:58 > 0:10:05believe there's a Pension Credit element there and probably

0:10:05 > 0:10:09attendance allowance. There's quite a lot of money involved here.

0:10:09 > 0:10:14But why should we care if people do claim a few benefits they shouldn't

0:10:14 > 0:10:23have? Well, the cost to the taxpayer of benefit, Tax Credit

0:10:23 > 0:10:28fraud and council house scams is a staggering �4 billion a year. Cash

0:10:28 > 0:10:34thought to be disappearing at record levels often undetected and

0:10:35 > 0:10:38unchecked. Jim Gee used to be Head of Counter-fraud for the NHS and

0:10:38 > 0:10:41now advises ministers. Fraud is important. It undermines the

0:10:41 > 0:10:45quality of the Public Services that people pay their taxes to get and,

0:10:45 > 0:10:49each time fraud takes place, it means the public expenditure

0:10:49 > 0:10:54reductions have to be more painful. More jobs have to go. Can you give

0:10:55 > 0:10:58us a sense of the scale? estimated that �22 billion of

0:10:58 > 0:11:03public expenditure was being lost to fraud and error. That's way more

0:11:03 > 0:11:10than people imagined? Yes, indeed. That's because we applied the best

0:11:10 > 0:11:15available data. We are confident in that figure. Across the whole of

0:11:15 > 0:11:19Government, that's billions lost to us all. In Croydon, investigator

0:11:20 > 0:11:24Andrea cord I have doing her bit to get some of it back -- Cordery.

0:11:24 > 0:11:28She's on her way to Graham Axford's flat, the guy with the boat and the

0:11:28 > 0:11:34other life in France. He's been on Incapacity Benefit since 1996 after

0:11:34 > 0:11:38he injured his back in a motorcycle accident. Andrea wants to see if

0:11:38 > 0:11:45he's still entitled to it. We are not convinced that what he's told

0:11:45 > 0:11:52us about his disability is true. So if we can see him without him

0:11:52 > 0:11:56seeing us, we should be able to see what his natural behaviour would be.

0:11:56 > 0:12:02It's the sort of thing where someone tells you they've got a bad

0:12:02 > 0:12:12back and can't walk properly, we might be lucky enough to see them

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0:12:16 > 0:12:22Surveillance takes time, but she needs the evidence. I'm trying to

0:12:22 > 0:12:26see his movements really. We know he drives, we know he sails.

0:12:26 > 0:12:31Bearing in mind that he is in receipt of Incapacity Benefit,

0:12:31 > 0:12:41based on a bad back, it will be interesting to see him jumping on a

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0:12:52 > 0:12:59It's a long day and no Graham Axford. This is one of the boring

0:12:59 > 0:13:03days. Twoun Mr Axford today! -- one to Mr Axford today. It's not just

0:13:03 > 0:13:08the persistent or high value cheats that the council is chasing. The

0:13:08 > 0:13:11low level stuff can cause just as much distress. Chris Norris is

0:13:11 > 0:13:15leading this team from Hillington Council out to catch the blue badge

0:13:15 > 0:13:21offenders, people who park in disabled bays when they've no right

0:13:21 > 0:13:27to be there. Where's your mother today? She's at home but I'm just

0:13:27 > 0:13:30going to do her banking. You are not allowed to do that. You have to

0:13:30 > 0:13:34have the person with you. I'm going to have to caution you, Sir. You do

0:13:34 > 0:13:37not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not

0:13:37 > 0:13:42mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court.

0:13:42 > 0:13:46Anything you do say may be given in evidence. I'm going to have to

0:13:46 > 0:13:51seize this blue badge from you today. OK. You will be called in

0:13:51 > 0:13:54for an interview under caution. problem. So you keep hold of that

0:13:54 > 0:13:58now? Yes, we are seizing this badge today. Thank you for your time.

0:13:58 > 0:14:04What do you think about what's just been said to you now? I'm doing a

0:14:04 > 0:14:10bit of banking for my mum who's got the badge and... You are not giving

0:14:10 > 0:14:15me a ticket are you? Yes. I'm moves it nous. I'm not parked, the

0:14:15 > 0:14:19engine's still warm. Seems a bit daft to me. Why did you think you

0:14:19 > 0:14:23could park here? You are fit and well? Doing business for my mum

0:14:23 > 0:14:27who's not fit and well. But you are, you can park anywhere. If you park

0:14:27 > 0:14:37here, that means somebody else can't park here who is fit and

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0:14:39 > 0:14:43well? Yes, I suppose you are right It's not just blocking baize.

0:14:43 > 0:14:48Nicking disabled spaces deprives councils of parking fees at a time

0:14:48 > 0:14:52when cash is tight. What did you do? He's using someone else's badge.

0:14:52 > 0:14:57Why were you parking down here? have a disabled badge. You're not

0:14:57 > 0:15:02disabled are you? My wife is. I wasn't aware of this rule. You were

0:15:02 > 0:15:06beeping that man, who was disabled, trying to park in a way. I wasn't

0:15:06 > 0:15:10aware of this rule. You must know that you can't... I wasn't aware of

0:15:10 > 0:15:13this rule. You only parked here so you could get near to the shops.

0:15:13 > 0:15:17There's nothing wrong with you. You're blocking it for other people.

0:15:17 > 0:15:27I wasn't aware of this rule. Don't patronise me all right.

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0:15:30 > 0:15:35The chance of free parking and a short walk to the shops, it seems

0:15:35 > 0:15:39the temptation to use a blue badge unlawfully is irresistible. So, you

0:15:39 > 0:15:43could park anywhere and walk same as anywhere else? Yeah. There's the

0:15:43 > 0:15:51problem right there. Too many people park here until a warden

0:15:51 > 0:15:56comes. That's not fair on genuine badge holders. I'll take my glasses

0:15:56 > 0:16:01off. I will move my car. I did politely say I would move my car if

0:16:01 > 0:16:11somebody came round. You did. I'm not disputing that. There you go.

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0:16:14 > 0:16:18While some of those who get challenged are quick to kick off,

0:16:18 > 0:16:22there are plenty that support Chris's team. What do you think of

0:16:22 > 0:16:28these guys trying to make sure people have the right badges?

0:16:28 > 0:16:36brilliant. Well done. You're doing a good job. What do you think?

0:16:36 > 0:16:40them all mate, good job, mate. them all? Yeah, yeah. I think what

0:16:40 > 0:16:44people don't get when she sneak in here and try and get an easy

0:16:44 > 0:16:47parking space is how upset the people who get blocked out feel.

0:16:47 > 0:16:53Because they need these spaces and if they can't use them, they're a

0:16:53 > 0:16:59bit stuck. This low level cheating is all part of a bigger problem,

0:16:59 > 0:17:01according to one of Britain's leading fraud researchers. A lot of

0:17:01 > 0:17:05people rationalise they're doing no-one any harm. If you create a

0:17:05 > 0:17:09culture where certain types of dishonest behaviour are acceptable,

0:17:09 > 0:17:19then you are po ten shallly opening the door to more serious forms of

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0:17:21 > 0:17:25dishonest behaviour. Remember Graham Axford, the man on

0:17:26 > 0:17:29incapacity benefit in Croydon who also has a boat and house in France.

0:17:29 > 0:17:33We've had a breakthrough. He's agreed to meet our undercover

0:17:33 > 0:17:36reporter. We're meeting at his local pub, another reporter

0:17:36 > 0:17:46secretly films him as he arrives. He's claiming incapacity benefit,

0:17:46 > 0:17:52

0:17:52 > 0:17:58but he turns up on a bike. He looks He thinks we want to buy his boat.

0:17:58 > 0:18:03In fact, we just want to find out more about his secret life.

0:18:03 > 0:18:08look like you're ready for another pint. Nice to meet you. When our

0:18:08 > 0:18:11man turns up, Graham Axford's bad back doesn't stop him grabbing a

0:18:11 > 0:18:21bar stool. He's wearing a sweatshirt with a picture of his

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0:18:36 > 0:18:46boat, crumpet. What do you do? Settled with his pint Graham Axford

0:18:46 > 0:19:17

0:19:17 > 0:19:21Hang on, the man who's on incapacity benefit also says he's

0:19:21 > 0:19:31sailed his yacht to the Azores. That DVD should be interesting then.

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0:19:37 > 0:19:47He's had thousands from the state, now he wants �25,000 for the yacht.

0:19:47 > 0:19:54

0:19:54 > 0:19:59But we've got more checks to do. Graham Axford has a council flat in

0:19:59 > 0:20:04Croydon, but he has another place that he lives and it's here, in the

0:20:04 > 0:20:08beautiful Normandy countryside. Beyond those trees, he has a

0:20:08 > 0:20:12farmhouse. It's a substantial place. We're going to try and get a bit

0:20:12 > 0:20:17closer to see if we can have a better look at it.

0:20:17 > 0:20:21Croydon Council thinks he had the place here when he applied for his

0:20:21 > 0:20:23flat. It's obvious really that you can't get a Council house, if you

0:20:23 > 0:20:33already own somewhere else. If you hide the fact that you have

0:20:33 > 0:20:39somewhere else, you could be in serious trouble. It took some

0:20:39 > 0:20:43reaching, hidden away in the French countryside, but we eventually

0:20:43 > 0:20:48discovered the rural retreat. Our undercover reporter has managed to

0:20:49 > 0:20:52not only get access to the boat, but we've been able to have a look

0:20:52 > 0:20:56at the property. His second property, if you like, try and see

0:20:56 > 0:21:03what we could see there. From a distance it looked big. But up

0:21:03 > 0:21:08close it looks quite substantial. This is a big place. It's in its

0:21:08 > 0:21:18own grounds in beautiful countryside. This is extraordinary.

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0:21:21 > 0:21:26He has another yacht. Maybe this is Crumpet One. This is a man on

0:21:26 > 0:21:31housing benefit, incapacity benefit, a flat in Croydon, but he has a

0:21:31 > 0:21:35farmhouse, two yachts. He has this other life in France. Now Graham

0:21:35 > 0:21:40Axford half owned this property when he applied for his council

0:21:41 > 0:21:44flat in 1997, but he didn't declare it and that's serious deception. Of

0:21:44 > 0:21:52course, he's paid very little rent for that flat because of his

0:21:52 > 0:21:58incapacity benefit. We need to see how justified that claim is. This

0:21:58 > 0:22:04flat in south London is being repossessed, after Panorama exposed

0:22:04 > 0:22:10another housing scam here earlier this year. Well done. This team is

0:22:10 > 0:22:13from Southwark Council. They're taking the flat back, after we

0:22:13 > 0:22:20showed the previous tenant unlawfully renting it out for a fat

0:22:20 > 0:22:27profit. Long gone. This is not quite the living room that we sat

0:22:27 > 0:22:37in. The damage is not that bad. that bad. This is what it used to

0:22:37 > 0:22:41look like. It was supposed to be the home of this man, PC Stephen

0:22:41 > 0:22:47Holt, a crime prevention officer. As a tenant he was supposed to live

0:22:47 > 0:22:54in it. Under a year ago, PC Holt told our team he was happy to rent

0:22:54 > 0:23:01out his council flat for holiday lets. It's fully booked now.

0:23:01 > 0:23:06not surprised. That's �400. Did you want a deposit as well? Yes there's

0:23:06 > 0:23:16a �200 deposit. Chatting to our undercover reporter, the details of

0:23:16 > 0:23:18

0:23:18 > 0:23:21That's right the policeman unlawfully renting out his council

0:23:21 > 0:23:26flat just said he has a place in France.

0:23:26 > 0:23:32We asked PC Holt about the subletting and he sent us an e-mail.

0:23:32 > 0:23:34He says he misunderstood the tenancey agreement and

0:23:34 > 0:23:42inadvertantly breached conditions. He went on, as soon as he became

0:23:43 > 0:23:47aware of this, he notified the council and returned the property.

0:23:47 > 0:23:50A further detail has come to light. Southwark Council and the

0:23:50 > 0:23:54Metropolitan Police are investigating whether PC Holt

0:23:54 > 0:23:59falsified documents in order to get hold of the flat in the first place.

0:23:59 > 0:24:06His solicitors say this is a serious allegation, which he

0:24:06 > 0:24:12robustly denies. This won't take long. There's not much decorating,

0:24:12 > 0:24:17if any, to do. Flats like this are desperately needed. There are

0:24:17 > 0:24:2319,000 people on the waiting list here in Southwark alone and five

0:24:23 > 0:24:26million in England as a whole. So the scale of the problem is clear,

0:24:26 > 0:24:36nationally about 167,000 council properties are being unlawfully

0:24:36 > 0:24:49

0:24:49 > 0:24:54Back in Hillingdon, the fraud team is still trying to get to the

0:24:54 > 0:24:57people who manufacture fake passports and ID cards. Kiri thinks

0:24:57 > 0:25:05a national insurance card presented by a benefit claimant looks

0:25:05 > 0:25:11suspicious. Straight away, I have picked it up that was a made up, a

0:25:11 > 0:25:17fake national insurance number. So, what we have a an individual trying

0:25:17 > 0:25:20to obtain benefits with, who is claiming to be French, claiming to

0:25:20 > 0:25:25have just come into the country, has produced wage slips claiming to

0:25:25 > 0:25:32be working for a hospital, for a local hospital, as a porter and has

0:25:32 > 0:25:40asked for help to pay his rentment -- Rent. Within days he's invited

0:25:40 > 0:25:46for an interview. When he arrives it's not just Kiri who's waiting.

0:25:46 > 0:25:51You're under arrest for on 29th July 2011, you presented a fake

0:25:51 > 0:25:56French identity card. You also completed an application for

0:25:56 > 0:26:03housing benefit and Council Tax Benefit dishonestly. Is the

0:26:03 > 0:26:12tightness OK? The police search his bag for any other evidence of

0:26:12 > 0:26:22identity fraud. They confiscate the man's fake national insurance card

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0:26:24 > 0:26:28and find a second one. The French identity card, which he has

0:26:28 > 0:26:35produced, was found to be counterfits and also the national

0:26:35 > 0:26:38insurance number, which belongs to his wife, is not really hers.

0:26:38 > 0:26:48Kiri needs to search the man's flat, where he lives with his wife and

0:26:48 > 0:26:59

0:26:59 > 0:27:05That's a Mauritian national identity card in the name of

0:27:05 > 0:27:10Laksiman Pudoo. There's his birth certificate. Mauritian birth

0:27:10 > 0:27:15certificate. These are original birth and marriage certificates for

0:27:15 > 0:27:19both Mr and Mrs Pudoo. They're from the republic of Mauritius.

0:27:19 > 0:27:26pretending to the French, the man hoped to be able to stay in this

0:27:26 > 0:27:31country. If he's found guilty, he faces possible imprisonment and

0:27:31 > 0:27:34deportation. Kiri can find this part of the job difficult. I feel

0:27:34 > 0:27:39very sad about this whole thing. Everything they were aiming for,

0:27:39 > 0:27:45for them and for their kids, to make a living here, living in this

0:27:45 > 0:27:47kind of place, trying to legitimise, it's all going to be wasted now,

0:27:47 > 0:27:57criminal record, criminal case. They're going to be evicted. What

0:27:57 > 0:27:59

0:27:59 > 0:28:01can do you? Tackling fraud is not always about lengthy investigations.

0:28:01 > 0:28:06Council investigator Chris Norris and the blue badge squad are back

0:28:06 > 0:28:09out, looking for people who unlawfully use the badges to park

0:28:09 > 0:28:15in disabled spaces. What's surprising is how many people are

0:28:15 > 0:28:22cheating. Madam? And how angry they get when challenged. I'm asking you

0:28:22 > 0:28:29to see the blue badge. She can't wake. Where is she? Round in the

0:28:29 > 0:28:34harl Quinn. You can come with me. We're not in the Harlequinn.

0:28:34 > 0:28:37driver claims the badge holder is in a nearby shopping centre, but

0:28:38 > 0:28:42isn't keen to get her with an officer. She is December froit get

0:28:42 > 0:28:52away and ignores Chris's attempts to stop her. Do we have a police

0:28:52 > 0:28:58

0:28:58 > 0:29:02office sner Yeah police are on the Then the team approach a woman who

0:29:02 > 0:29:07says she's here to pick up her sister, blue badge holder.

0:29:07 > 0:29:17badge is hers. If she was with you in the car, that's fine. It seems

0:29:17 > 0:29:21

0:29:21 > 0:29:25she might not be telling the whole We know the sister works in Next

0:29:25 > 0:29:35and we know that that's the other sister and they're misusing the

0:29:35 > 0:29:38

0:29:38 > 0:29:42She's going to work... Whereabouts do you work? I also work in Next as

0:29:42 > 0:29:47well. So you've parked here to come into work? You just told me you

0:29:47 > 0:29:53were going to pick her up? Yes, I was going to go into work as well.

0:29:53 > 0:29:58You said you were going to pick her up and that you were... No, I'm...

0:29:58 > 0:30:03I need to let you know what your rights are. You do not have to say

0:30:03 > 0:30:06anything, anything you do say may be give none evidence. You are not

0:30:06 > 0:30:10under arrest, we are local authority officers, not police. We

0:30:10 > 0:30:17have to retain the badge at this point in time, yes. That's the

0:30:17 > 0:30:21thing to bear in mind. I'm done here. Hi. I'm Richard from Panorama.

0:30:21 > 0:30:26You have come to park in a disabled bay but you haven't got a

0:30:26 > 0:30:34disability have you? No. Did you know it was wrong? Yes. How do you

0:30:34 > 0:30:38feel right now? Stupid. Really stupid.

0:30:38 > 0:30:44The woman who drove off earlier is now back and this time an elderly

0:30:44 > 0:30:48woman is in the front seat. All I was asking was to see your blue

0:30:48 > 0:30:53badge. I wasn't going to park up and two round the corner, I didn't

0:30:54 > 0:31:00need to, you should have believed me. He wasn't with you. I left her

0:31:00 > 0:31:04over the other side with my husband... That is the lady who was

0:31:04 > 0:31:08here before and she seems to have brought the blue badge holder and

0:31:08 > 0:31:13now she wants to talk to Chris. What I can do is first of all ask

0:31:13 > 0:31:19to see the badge. You are not holding it. I need to take the

0:31:19 > 0:31:24details and the serial number. are told later that the story about

0:31:24 > 0:31:27the elderly woman being in the shopping centre is nonsense. When

0:31:27 > 0:31:30the council made further inquiries, they found that after driving at

0:31:30 > 0:31:34Chris, the investigator, she went straight round to the elderly

0:31:34 > 0:31:39woman's nursing home, had her dressed, put her in the car and

0:31:39 > 0:31:43drove her back. The case has been referred to social services. The

0:31:44 > 0:31:47driver of the car admitted to Panorama that she had made an error

0:31:47 > 0:31:57of judgment and then panicked. She says it will never happen again and

0:31:57 > 0:32:01that she cares deeply for the elderly badge holder.

0:32:01 > 0:32:06Some cases are breathtaking. Croydon Council investigator Andrea

0:32:06 > 0:32:11Cordery is looking at the case of Stephen Sussams. It's thought he

0:32:11 > 0:32:15may have claimed thousands in benefits he's not entitled to. He

0:32:15 > 0:32:19has a council flat, most of the rent and council tax are paid for

0:32:19 > 0:32:27because the local authority thinks he's on Incapacity Benefit. He's

0:32:28 > 0:32:33not. It was stopped two years ago but he never told the council. He

0:32:33 > 0:32:38also never told them he has a double life, a long way from his

0:32:38 > 0:32:41Croydon flat. Andrea thinks Stephen Sussams is

0:32:41 > 0:32:46running a pub in Devon while claiming for a council house and a

0:32:46 > 0:32:51led of benefits in Croydon. She's got the documentation, she's got it

0:32:51 > 0:33:01all on paper. We've come down to Devon to see for ourselves what's

0:33:01 > 0:33:02

0:33:02 > 0:33:08going on. Stephen Sussams' pub is in Kingswear opposite Dartmouth in

0:33:08 > 0:33:18one of the most beautiful parts of Devon. The pub sits by the marina,

0:33:18 > 0:33:21a thriving upmarket tourist destination. And the Royal Dart pub

0:33:21 > 0:33:25is famous, Royal because Queen Victoria visited the posh yacht

0:33:25 > 0:33:29club here. It's the sort of place you would imagine a landlord would

0:33:29 > 0:33:32do pretty well. Our undercover reporter's spent the afternoon down

0:33:32 > 0:33:36in Kingswear and he was basically looking for Sussams to see if he

0:33:36 > 0:33:40was in the pub, to see if he was just there. I've just got the

0:33:40 > 0:33:44footage back so I'm going to watch it now. This is the main street in

0:33:44 > 0:33:47Kingswear. This is the pub, the Royal Dart, at the heart of

0:33:47 > 0:33:50Kingswear, which is a very beautiful little place. Our

0:33:51 > 0:34:00reporter has seen Sussams and he's walking towards the back of his pub.

0:34:00 > 0:34:10He's in a car, which is... Unbelievely, he's getting out of a

0:34:10 > 0:34:31

0:34:31 > 0:34:34Bentley. That's the cover story. That's the clincher. He's just said

0:34:34 > 0:34:37he's been there for two-and-a-half years. Let's not forget, this is a

0:34:37 > 0:34:41man who has a council flat in Croydon, telling our reporter that

0:34:41 > 0:34:47in fact he's the landlord of a pub in a beautiful village in Devon and

0:34:47 > 0:34:57he's saying all this while he's pulling bags out the back of his

0:34:57 > 0:35:05

0:35:05 > 0:35:13More confirmation that Stephen Sussams is actually running the pub.

0:35:13 > 0:35:17A double life. Extraordinary. Experts say across the country

0:35:17 > 0:35:24councils are pretty poor at detecting and stopping fraud. Some

0:35:24 > 0:35:34are trying to put that right. This is Stoke where, over the last few

0:35:34 > 0:35:39years, they've beefed up their anti-fraud team. Can you give me a

0:35:39 > 0:35:44brief overview as to how you are going to set it up and how we are

0:35:44 > 0:35:49going to set it up? Two cameras here, one here so we can see across

0:35:49 > 0:35:52the road. We can set another one up in the bedroom, one with a close-up

0:35:52 > 0:35:57so we can see somebody's face. There have been complaints that a

0:35:57 > 0:36:00council bungalow is being used as a late-night resting place for local

0:36:01 > 0:36:06taxi drivers. The investigators decide surveillance is the best way

0:36:06 > 0:36:13to find out what's really going on. This team is rigging up secret

0:36:13 > 0:36:18cameras. We can see the sign tonne roof, the name of the company, that

0:36:18 > 0:36:22kind of thing. That would be massive evidentially. It would be

0:36:22 > 0:36:25more wide angled. You will see the person moving to the door. The big

0:36:25 > 0:36:33camera is the one that focuses on the door that catches the faces, so

0:36:33 > 0:36:40we'll have two bits, two forms of evidence here. Paul is in charge of

0:36:40 > 0:36:43the team. The situation here, there's elderly people, obviously

0:36:44 > 0:36:46bungalows are suited to elderly people, they're waiting to get into

0:36:46 > 0:36:50these properties and it's an absolute crying shame if a property

0:36:50 > 0:36:54like this, which is meant to be occupied by an elderly person,

0:36:54 > 0:36:58actually isn't and is being used for something like a stop-off for

0:36:58 > 0:37:03taxi drivers. We can't show you the results of the surveillance or

0:37:03 > 0:37:07where the house is, because the investigation is still running,

0:37:07 > 0:37:11Stoke's housing fraud operation was only set up recently. They've

0:37:11 > 0:37:16seized around 30 houses in the last six months. Paul says the more

0:37:16 > 0:37:21they've looked for cheats, the more they've found. We are getting lots

0:37:21 > 0:37:24more referrals in now and we are now at the stage where we've got 70

0:37:24 > 0:37:27ongoing cases. So there was a time when you weren't doing any of these

0:37:27 > 0:37:30investigations and now the more you look, the bigger the problem you

0:37:30 > 0:37:34are finding? I've been here five years now and year on year we

0:37:34 > 0:37:37haven't covered more and more fraud. That's not to say that there's more

0:37:37 > 0:37:41and more fraud happening, it's probably more the case that we've

0:37:41 > 0:37:46become more effective at what we do. In a way, are remore vulnerable to

0:37:46 > 0:37:50benefit fraud than we've been for a while? Absolutely. It goes without

0:37:50 > 0:37:56saying, when the financial climate is how it is, fraud will go up, no

0:37:56 > 0:38:00two roads about that, and it is. The fact is, it takes a lot of

0:38:00 > 0:38:05effort to catch benefit cheats, and even then, you are only likely to

0:38:05 > 0:38:10get a tiny proportion. These are vied owes that successfully caught

0:38:10 > 0:38:15some claiming disability related benefits when they shouldn't be.

0:38:15 > 0:38:19This is from a guy in Wolverhampton. He's warming up for a football game.

0:38:19 > 0:38:23He's doing a bit of keepy uppy. Reasonably impressive. He's

0:38:23 > 0:38:29stretching his legs and he's about to come on. This is surveillance

0:38:29 > 0:38:35footage of a guy who's making a claim that from these pictures it

0:38:35 > 0:38:39doesn't look like he deserves. The examples keep coming. This

0:38:39 > 0:38:44scoutmaster from Newcastle claimed benefit force a bad back but was

0:38:44 > 0:38:49caught heaving heavy collection tins into the back of a car. This

0:38:49 > 0:38:55woman's claimed disability living allowance but seemed fit enough to

0:38:55 > 0:39:05play a round of golf. In fact, there seems to be quite a few

0:39:05 > 0:39:08

0:39:08 > 0:39:15golfers on sickness related Then, there's the badminton player,

0:39:15 > 0:39:18a former schoolteacher who claimed disability living allowance. And

0:39:18 > 0:39:28this man was also on disability living allowance but it didn't stop

0:39:28 > 0:39:31him working on his allotment. There is a kind of inherent comedy

0:39:31 > 0:39:34value to these where you think, look at him, he says he can't work

0:39:34 > 0:39:38and he's digging in his garden with his shirt off, but maybe the point

0:39:38 > 0:39:42of this is that it takes such a lot of effort just to stop one case.

0:39:42 > 0:39:47It's about one in 30, the number of people who fraudulently claim and

0:39:47 > 0:39:53then get stopped. But to get that one in 30, it takes this kind of

0:39:54 > 0:39:57effort. And expense. Unfortunately, the chances of getting caught for

0:39:58 > 0:40:01fraud are very, very low. A lot of organisations that have their own

0:40:01 > 0:40:06investigative capacity don't have enough resources. The consequences

0:40:06 > 0:40:10of that are that the vast number of frauds that are occuring, only a

0:40:10 > 0:40:14very, very tiny proportion ever end up in the courts. That is obviously

0:40:14 > 0:40:18a major problem I think to society when you are sending out a message

0:40:18 > 0:40:24that you can engage in fraud, your chances of getting caught are low

0:40:24 > 0:40:28and your chances of ending up with a stiff criminal penalty are even

0:40:28 > 0:40:33lower. But Croydon's investigators continue to watch Graham Axford.

0:40:33 > 0:40:39Remember, he's the man who got a council flat in Croydon, rent and

0:40:39 > 0:40:42council tax pretty much paid, even though he already had a farmhouse

0:40:42 > 0:40:47in Normandy. He's on Incapacity Benefit but seems to have spent a

0:40:47 > 0:40:52lot of time sailing around in his boat called Crumpet Too. We arrange

0:40:52 > 0:40:56another meeting, still pretending to be interested in buying his boat.

0:40:56 > 0:41:00He arrives on his bike again, this time he's on the phone. He's not

0:41:00 > 0:41:05shy when it comes to talking about his other life. Out comes his

0:41:05 > 0:41:15laptop so he can show us what he's done to the farmhouse. Not a bad

0:41:15 > 0:41:28

0:41:28 > 0:41:38place for a bloke who's asking the He's even built himself a place to

0:41:38 > 0:41:46

0:41:46 > 0:41:53Although he tells us that sometimes the work made his back worse, he

0:41:53 > 0:42:03still managed to do a pretty good job on the farpblhouse. --

0:42:03 > 0:42:14

0:42:14 > 0:42:18farmhouse. A lot of work? No, you Reroof all of that? Yes. That must

0:42:18 > 0:42:22have been a lot of lifting, all those tiles, they're heavy aren't

0:42:23 > 0:42:25they? Yes, five pounds each I think it is. That's the reason we bought

0:42:25 > 0:42:30a tractor. Graham Axford isn't working because of his bad back,

0:42:30 > 0:42:35but it doesn't seem to have stopped him reroofing his farmhouse. He

0:42:35 > 0:42:40also told us he sailed across the Atlantic and that was while he was

0:42:40 > 0:42:43on Incapacity Benefit too. His final confession # He pretty much

0:42:43 > 0:42:53lived in the States for seven years. You can't keep a council flat if

0:42:53 > 0:42:57

0:42:57 > 0:43:07you are living abroad. And here it is, Graham Axford on Crumpet Too in

0:43:07 > 0:43:40

0:43:40 > 0:43:50Blue skies, dolphins and a big sailing boat. And all on incapacity

0:43:50 > 0:43:55

0:43:55 > 0:43:59We want to know how he can explain his double life. So this is where

0:43:59 > 0:44:03Graham Axford lives. This is where his council flat is. We have been

0:44:03 > 0:44:06here for a couple of days hoping to grab a word with him, but we

0:44:06 > 0:44:10haven't managed to see him. We have received an e-mail from his

0:44:10 > 0:44:14solicitor who says "Mr Axford has never fraudulently misrepresented

0:44:14 > 0:44:18the nature or extent on his back injury, that he's been assessed by

0:44:18 > 0:44:22medical professionals and they say, having an ongoing back condition is

0:44:22 > 0:44:25not incompatible with cycling or being able to travel on the boat

0:44:25 > 0:44:29with assistance." That's what his solicitors say. We still have one

0:44:29 > 0:44:39or two questions that we would like to put to Mr Axford. I'm going to

0:44:39 > 0:45:04

0:45:04 > 0:45:08knock on his door and see if I can So, his bike is here, but he's not

0:45:08 > 0:45:13answering his door and that is a shame, because we think that there

0:45:13 > 0:45:19are other questions that he has to answer, like, how he managed to get

0:45:19 > 0:45:23this flat when he already had a farmhouse in France. And how he was

0:45:23 > 0:45:27able to claim incapacity benefit when he was living in another

0:45:27 > 0:45:32country. Those are questions that we would

0:45:32 > 0:45:35like to ask Mr Axford, but that he will have to answer any way,

0:45:35 > 0:45:39because he continues to be investigated by the council. They

0:45:39 > 0:45:44will keep knocking until they get an answer. Mr Axford told us he and

0:45:44 > 0:45:54his wife have separated. She lives in the French farmhouse and he

0:45:54 > 0:45:58lives in the Croydon council flat. Out by Heathrow, on the other side

0:45:58 > 0:46:02of London, the team from Hillingdon Council are dealing with another

0:46:02 > 0:46:07man -- man suspected of having multiple fake identities.

0:46:07 > 0:46:17Suspecting something is one thing, proving it quite another. Kiri, his

0:46:17 > 0:46:19

0:46:19 > 0:46:29colleague and the police pay him an Come and open the door, it's the

0:46:29 > 0:46:46

0:46:46 > 0:46:52They may have lost the element of surprise, so out comes the enforcer.

0:46:52 > 0:47:00Please! Turns out he was in all along. Why didn't you open the

0:47:00 > 0:47:10door? What's your name? Have you got some ID? We have a warrant to

0:47:10 > 0:47:15

0:47:15 > 0:47:21They have a warrant to look for a man called Rachid Kachour, he's

0:47:22 > 0:47:26supposed to live here. But this guy says he's called Thierry. Your

0:47:26 > 0:47:30family, are they Algerian? Yeah. Elsewhere in the house, the team

0:47:30 > 0:47:36find evidence that the man they're looking for, a Mr Kachour, could be

0:47:36 > 0:47:40claiming benefits fraudulently. These pay slips are for Kachour,

0:47:40 > 0:47:44Rachid Kachour, and these look like the originals. But we have a blank

0:47:44 > 0:47:48original here. It looks like the pay slips that have been presented

0:47:48 > 0:47:54to the London borough of Hillingdon have been made up here on site,

0:47:54 > 0:47:59because we've got blank ones. Ramila is trying to work out where

0:47:59 > 0:48:04this man, who says he's called Thierry, fits in. He's not been

0:48:04 > 0:48:09listed on the benefit claim as living here. It's meant to be Mr

0:48:09 > 0:48:15Kachour. Now, my only thought is that Mr Kachour an the person that

0:48:15 > 0:48:20we have in the room is the same person. While other officers search

0:48:20 > 0:48:26for more papers, Sergeant Bewley has his own go at getting to the

0:48:26 > 0:48:32truth and yet another name comes to light and Mr Dimane. Immigration

0:48:32 > 0:48:37have a record of your name and say that another name of a person he

0:48:37 > 0:48:47uses is actually Dimane. Yeah. you used that name? Use it? Have

0:48:47 > 0:49:09

0:49:09 > 0:49:14Someone has used both names. You say you've never spoken to

0:49:14 > 0:49:24immigration? Maybe, I'm not sure. Have you ever put in a claim to UK

0:49:24 > 0:49:27

0:49:27 > 0:49:32immigration to stay in this country? Thierry or? You, you're

0:49:32 > 0:49:38Thierry aren't you? Yeah. It seems that Thierry is struggling to

0:49:38 > 0:49:48understand, but Sergeant Bewley is not convinced. What's your name?

0:49:48 > 0:49:52

0:49:52 > 0:49:57Thierry Devetour. Have you applied to stay in the UK? Have you? Can

0:49:57 > 0:50:05you say that without smiling, have you ever used that name? Thierry?

0:50:05 > 0:50:10No that name. Have you ever used that name? For a... Yeah. You have?

0:50:10 > 0:50:16So you and him are the same person, are you? Yeah. Got there at last.

0:50:16 > 0:50:26That's why I said to you to speak the truth. Right, so why did you

0:50:26 > 0:50:30

0:50:30 > 0:50:33use another name? This one? This my original name. That's your original

0:50:33 > 0:50:42name, Ahcene Dimane. Come on, you've started so you have to

0:50:42 > 0:50:46finish. The man finally admits that his real name is Ahcene Dimane and

0:50:46 > 0:50:50that Thierry Devetour is a fake identity he uses. And what about

0:50:50 > 0:50:59that Mr Kachour, the man that came here -- the man they came here to

0:50:59 > 0:51:09find? There's another ID in the kitchen. Is there? How did we miss

0:51:09 > 0:51:12

0:51:12 > 0:51:19that? Oh, dear oh, dear. What's the name in there? Kachour. That's the

0:51:19 > 0:51:24person we are looking for. All these cards we found at this

0:51:24 > 0:51:30address. The council believes that about �50,000 has been fraudulently

0:51:30 > 0:51:40claimed in the name of Mr Kachour. Ahcene Dimane denies that he is Mr

0:51:40 > 0:51:41

0:51:41 > 0:51:51Kachour. But he has just confessed It's difficult life. Life is all

0:51:51 > 0:52:02

0:52:02 > 0:52:07Mr Dimane is arrested. Hillingdon investigators continue their

0:52:07 > 0:52:10pursuit of those using fake documents, but experts say many

0:52:10 > 0:52:13councils don't understand the scale of the problem. A lot of

0:52:14 > 0:52:16organisations are not realistic about the levels of fraud that they

0:52:16 > 0:52:20face, because there is in any organisation a large number of

0:52:21 > 0:52:24frauds that are undetected. So, if they're relying upon detected

0:52:24 > 0:52:32levels of fraud, they are not getting the full picture of the

0:52:32 > 0:52:36extent of fraud within their organisation. Well, one case in

0:52:36 > 0:52:40Croydon we're looking at is that of Stephen Sussams. He gets his flat

0:52:40 > 0:52:44virtually paid for because he's on incapacity benefit, only he's not

0:52:44 > 0:52:50any more, and he hasn't told the council. While he keeps his flat,

0:52:50 > 0:52:55he also runs a waurntfront pub in Devon. When we saw him lass, he was

0:52:55 > 0:53:05pulling shopping out the back of a Bentley. Now we're back because we

0:53:05 > 0:53:06

0:53:06 > 0:53:09want to confirm he's actively working down here on the coast.

0:53:09 > 0:53:14Stephen Sussams is behind the bar counting his cash, doing all the

0:53:14 > 0:53:17things you'd expect a landlord to do. He starts chatting to our

0:53:17 > 0:53:27undercover team. Now the sound is terrible. But listen and he

0:53:27 > 0:53:27

0:53:28 > 0:53:31confirms he owns the business. So it's his business. He's claiming

0:53:31 > 0:53:41benefits and has a council flat in Croydon, while living and working

0:53:41 > 0:53:44

0:53:44 > 0:53:50in one of the poshest parts of the country. Meanwhile, an threa, the

0:53:50 > 0:53:54Croydon fraud investigator, thinks she has gathered enough evidence to

0:53:54 > 0:53:57seize Stephen Sussams' flat. She believes he's breached the terms of

0:53:57 > 0:54:07his tenancey agreement because he's living in Devon. She goes to his

0:54:07 > 0:54:10

0:54:10 > 0:54:14flat to call him for an interview. Mr Sussams? Hello there. Is Mr

0:54:14 > 0:54:20Sussams here? He's not in at the moment. The letter has been

0:54:20 > 0:54:24delivered, but Mr Sussams is not there. This starts the ball rolling.

0:54:24 > 0:54:33There is every possibility that the council has a property here with

0:54:33 > 0:54:36the wrong person in it. The council will be seeking to get that back.

0:54:36 > 0:54:39We separately wrote to Mr Sussams asking him some questions. He said

0:54:39 > 0:54:45he couldn't answer them because there's a council investigation.

0:54:45 > 0:54:50When we catch up with him, he's back in Croydon. Mr Sussams? Hello.

0:54:50 > 0:54:54I'm Richard Bilton from BBC Panorama. Can I grab a quick word

0:54:54 > 0:54:58wu. I was wondering how you get benefits and a council house when

0:54:58 > 0:55:02you have a pub in Devon. As you know, the case is under

0:55:02 > 0:55:06investigation by the council. I've no intention of being involved in

0:55:06 > 0:55:09trial by television. Speak to my solicitor. Just answer a few

0:55:09 > 0:55:13questions for us. This is your right to reply. This is a nice car.

0:55:13 > 0:55:17You have a lovely pub. The council tax payers, are they paying for

0:55:17 > 0:55:20that, what can you say to them? I've said, I have no intention of

0:55:20 > 0:55:23being involved in trial by television. Thank you for the right

0:55:23 > 0:55:27to reply. Why are awe peeling? Most of the time you spend in Devon,

0:55:27 > 0:55:35don't you? You've come back for a bit, is that since you got our

0:55:35 > 0:55:44letter? Mr Sussams, just a couple of questions, if I may? A few

0:55:44 > 0:55:49words? So he said he didn't want to answer the questions, said he

0:55:49 > 0:55:52couldn't because of investigation. He could have easily answered the

0:55:52 > 0:55:56pretty straightforward questions about how he continues to get

0:55:56 > 0:56:00benefits related to incapacity benefit even though he is no longer

0:56:00 > 0:56:04entitled to them and how he has a double life, a pub and a Bentley,

0:56:04 > 0:56:10yet a council house and benefits here in Croydon. He didn't answer

0:56:10 > 0:56:14them. He just drove away in his Bentley.

0:56:14 > 0:56:19Mr Sussams is still being investigated by the council. His

0:56:19 > 0:56:25housing benefit has been suspended. He also faces separate allegations

0:56:25 > 0:56:30that he took about �25,000 in carers allowance for looking after

0:56:30 > 0:56:34someone who had been dead for six months. Mr Pudoo, who was arrested

0:56:34 > 0:56:43for using false papers to get benefits, pleaded guilty in court

0:56:43 > 0:56:47last week. He may now be deported. PC Stephen Holt the crime

0:56:47 > 0:56:53prevention officer who unlawfully sublet his flat remains under

0:56:53 > 0:56:57investigation by Southwark Council an the Metropolitan Police.

0:56:57 > 0:57:00Ahcene Dimane denied benefit fraud but pleaded guilty in court to

0:57:00 > 0:57:05using false documents to get into the country. He's due to be

0:57:05 > 0:57:09sentenced tomorrow. It's difficult life here.

0:57:09 > 0:57:19The woman who drove at Chris the investigator and then reappeared

0:57:19 > 0:57:24

0:57:24 > 0:57:28with the elderly woman may face Graham Axford, the man who sailed

0:57:28 > 0:57:31across the Atlantic while on incapacity benefit, says his

0:57:31 > 0:57:34eligibility for the benefit has been verified by medical

0:57:34 > 0:57:42professionals. But he continues to be investigated by the council and

0:57:43 > 0:57:47could lose his flat. Crumpet Too is still for sale.

0:57:47 > 0:57:51Most people on benefits really need them and don't cheat the system.