:00:08. > :00:13.I thought it was the normal to have a couple of glasses of wine to
:00:13. > :00:17.unwind. In the end, it took over. Britain's middle class
:00:17. > :00:21.professionals are drinking more and more. I just ripped the tubes out
:00:21. > :00:26.of my arm and ran out of the hospital and went to find the
:00:26. > :00:32.nearest place to buy more alcohol. Doctors are increasingly concerned
:00:32. > :00:38.about an epidemic of drinking- related deaths. From the
:00:38. > :00:42.perspective of a clinician we are in the middle of a crisis. But how
:00:42. > :00:46.much is too much? Could you be an alcoholic? I think a lot of people
:00:46. > :00:48.who have a drink problem are very good at hiding it. I'm Alastair
:00:49. > :00:53.Campbell, I know from personal experience the high cost of
:00:54. > :00:58.excessive drinking. I used to lie in bed and wait for her to go out
:00:58. > :01:02.so I could throw up. Tonight I venture into the world of
:01:02. > :01:08.Britain's hidden alcoholics. stopped. I stopped living. I nearly
:01:08. > :01:18.died. I ask whether all of us, individuals as well as Government,
:01:18. > :01:23.
:01:23. > :01:33.need to reassess our relationship It's the run up to Christmas,
:01:33. > :01:36.
:01:36. > :01:39.office parties are in full swing To relieve the stress on A&E
:01:39. > :01:49.they've set up field hospitals to deal with some of those who've had
:01:49. > :01:52.
:01:52. > :01:56.too much. Out with friends apparently. She's got herself
:01:56. > :02:00.absolutely smashed. Unfortunately she's been vomiting. She's lying in
:02:00. > :02:03.her own vomit and she's defecated herself. Tackling binge drinking
:02:03. > :02:12.has become a national obsession. Every morning 200,000 of us go to
:02:12. > :02:22.work with a hangover. Hello. How are you doing? 30 years old no.
:02:22. > :02:25.History. Teenage excess preoccupies the media and successive
:02:26. > :02:31.governments. Many people being treated tonight don't fit that
:02:31. > :02:34.stereotype. Mat jort of them are intelligent professional people.
:02:34. > :02:39.Last night the 30 patients through the treatment centre, all of them
:02:39. > :02:42.worked in the City, all of them had highly paid professional jobs.
:02:43. > :02:48.need to list ton my colleague because we're trying to help you.
:02:48. > :02:50.We're trying to get you home safely. I'm just asking you to sit there on
:02:50. > :02:55.the chair. Figures from the Office for National Statistics show the
:02:55. > :03:05.professional classes are the most frequent drinkers, some are
:03:05. > :03:09.
:03:09. > :03:12.Britain's hidden alcoholics. I should know. I was one of them.
:03:12. > :03:16.My name's Alastair Campbell. Before working at the heart of the
:03:16. > :03:22.Government as Tony Blair's right- hand man, I had a serious problem
:03:22. > :03:26.with alcohol. Even if I wasn't getting drunk every day, I was
:03:26. > :03:30.certainly drinking every day. Some days I was drinking to excess. Some
:03:30. > :03:36.days, which might run into a succession of days, I'd be drinking
:03:36. > :03:44.to really serious excess. I held down a good job and a steady
:03:44. > :03:50.relationship. I was a functioning alcoholic. I think a lot of people
:03:51. > :03:55.who have a drink problem are very good at hiding it. I think I was
:03:55. > :04:01.good at hiding it for quite a long time. I think that becomes part of
:04:01. > :04:09.what you do. For years, I was in denial, both to myself and my
:04:09. > :04:13.partner, Fiona. I was waking up every morning feeling really bad,
:04:13. > :04:17.ill and I used to lie in bed to wait for her to go out so I could
:04:17. > :04:24.go and throw up. When it got combined with heavy stress levels
:04:24. > :04:29.and his behaviour became quite erratic, irrational, cruel, almost
:04:29. > :04:34.aggressive, at times, he didn't like being told, challenged on his
:04:34. > :04:39.behaviour. My drinking reached its peak while I worked in Fleet Street
:04:39. > :04:42.in the '80s, where the pubs were just an extension of the office.
:04:42. > :04:47.There were many casualties of this culture, one was a colleague of
:04:47. > :04:52.mine, when I started at the Daily Mirror, Anne Robinson. Your
:04:52. > :04:58.drinking got so bad you stopped. stopped. I stopped living. I nearly
:04:58. > :05:03.died. What quantities were you drinking that took you to on
:05:03. > :05:08.livion? Bottles and bottles? No. I think less than a bottle of spirits
:05:09. > :05:12.would have me completely knocked out. Do you feel at that time there
:05:12. > :05:15.were lots of people around who you would say, had a problem with
:05:15. > :05:21.alcohol? There were a lot of people around who drank a great deal. It
:05:21. > :05:29.was just a sea of alcohol. If you were editing the paper, people just
:05:29. > :05:33.came into your office to empty your drinks cabinet. I also paid a heavy
:05:33. > :05:41.price. My drinking coupled with depression triggered a mental
:05:41. > :05:49.breakdown. The word "alcoholic" didn't cross my mind at all until I
:05:49. > :05:52.was in hospital. I wrote down "I am an alcoholic" and I certainly
:05:52. > :05:56.remember that being a moment, that meeting with the psychiatrist being
:05:56. > :06:00.a moment when I realised, you've got a real problem and you've got
:06:00. > :06:07.to sort it out. It forced me to confront my drinking. I needed help
:06:07. > :06:11.and turned to my friends. When you did arrive you were in a pretty bad
:06:11. > :06:17.state. You were smoking like a chimney. You were three packs a day.
:06:17. > :06:21.After that spell in hospital, I sought refuge with an old colleague,
:06:21. > :06:25.Syd Young. At one time I had three mates all being dried out at the
:06:25. > :06:30.same time. I tell you, it was the worst year of my life. We had a
:06:30. > :06:38.news editor in Manchester once, who used to take four-hour lunches. Go
:06:38. > :06:45.to the pub for four hours. Somebody said, you can always say this about
:06:45. > :06:51.him, he never once came back with the smell of food on his breath.
:06:51. > :06:55.By 1986, I'd stopped drinking. The work place booze culture has now
:06:55. > :07:00.largely gone. As a nation, we're drinking less, but paradoxically,
:07:01. > :07:04.more of us are being treated for alcohol problems. 41% of
:07:04. > :07:07.professional men drink more than the recommended limit at least once
:07:07. > :07:16.a week. Professional women are also drinking much more than they used
:07:16. > :07:20.to. Alcohol seemed to be a sort of... Crutch? Yeah. I'd go and meet,
:07:20. > :07:25.if I met a friend for a drink, before I'd got there, I would buy a
:07:25. > :07:31.mini bottle of vot ka to give me that oomph before I got there, to
:07:32. > :07:35.get past the "Hi, how are you?" year-old Harriet is university
:07:35. > :07:39.educated and is from a middle class family. She's an interior designer.
:07:40. > :07:48.How much were you drinking when you were really drinking? Getting to
:07:48. > :07:55.the worst stages, it was half to a litre of vodka a night. Then I just
:07:55. > :08:00.started on the wine, Iing this -- thinking that would be less bad.
:08:00. > :08:04.Instead of or as well as? Instead, I'd have two or three bottles a
:08:04. > :08:08.night. It was ease tkwror drink indoors because you didn't have to
:08:08. > :08:12.pay for each drink, of course, I could also get myself as drunk as
:08:12. > :08:17.possible and not to -- have to worry about getting home and making
:08:17. > :08:24.a fool of myself. Harriet's drinking put her in hospital. She's
:08:24. > :08:30.now been dry for three-and-a-half years. Recent figures show nearly
:08:30. > :08:33.9,000 people die each year in the UK from alcohol-related diseases.
:08:33. > :08:39.Liver disease in general is the only major cause of death in
:08:39. > :08:43.Britain still increasing year on year. The risk of developing liver
:08:43. > :08:48.disease related to alcohol starts at round about two bottles of wine
:08:48. > :08:55.a week. The risk at that level is pretty small. Above four bottles of
:08:55. > :08:59.wine a week, the risk starts to curve up. When you're drinking the
:08:59. > :09:04.equivalent of eight or ten bottles of wine a week you have a
:09:04. > :09:08.substantially risk of developing liver disease. 100 British people
:09:08. > :09:12.are dying from alcoholic liver disease every week. In terms of why
:09:12. > :09:16.people are drinking too much, why is it the liver that's the
:09:16. > :09:21.important organ that you have to worry about? Because your liver
:09:21. > :09:24.breaks down the alcohol that you drink. Daily drinking can be
:09:24. > :09:28.dangerous to your liver, which is why Parliament science Select
:09:28. > :09:33.Committee advises us all to give our liver a break at least two days
:09:34. > :09:39.a week, if not, it might end up like this. This liver here was
:09:39. > :09:45.taken from somebody who died from oesophageal bleed. It's a cirrhotic
:09:45. > :09:53.liver. If I turn it over here, you can see... Spots. There's spots
:09:53. > :09:57.here. These nodules are fatty and scar tissue. A drink scarred liver
:09:57. > :10:01.can't filter blood so you die of internal bleeding. And it's not
:10:01. > :10:07.just liver disease that Britain's hidden alcoholics have to worry
:10:07. > :10:12.about. Alcohol is to blame for 13,000 new cancer cases each year.
:10:12. > :10:17.The link between cancer and alcohol is really very strong. Mouth and
:10:17. > :10:22.throat cancer, particularly strong, but also oesophagus and stomach and
:10:22. > :10:31.we now know other, such as breast cancer, there's a definite link to
:10:31. > :10:35.alcohol consumption. I remember they said, you can do anything you
:10:35. > :10:40.like, the only thing you can't do is drink. I thought that doesn't
:10:40. > :10:46.leave much. What the helm I going to do? Persistent drinkers who
:10:46. > :10:51.don't heed the warning signs might end up here. I was so concerned
:10:51. > :10:56.about my lifestyle in the end, because I'd lost everything, if it
:10:56. > :11:01.wasn't for this place, I would have been dead by now. Clouds House in
:11:01. > :11:09.Wiltshire is a leading addiction treatment centre. In almost 30
:11:09. > :11:12.years its counsellors have treated patients hooked on a number of
:11:12. > :11:16.substances. But they're treating more and more whose problem is
:11:16. > :11:19.alcohol. Suddenly I realised, I don't know where it comes from, the
:11:19. > :11:22.thought that cuts through everything, drink is the one thing
:11:22. > :11:27.that has caused this, the underlying factor to all my
:11:27. > :11:33.failures in life. With a six-week stay here costing �12,000, if you
:11:33. > :11:37.don't get funding, you need to be wealthy. The day I showed up I met
:11:37. > :11:42.Mark, who's on the board of a pharmaceutical company and Ben,
:11:42. > :11:47.who's an actor and Theresa, who runs her own business. I suppose it
:11:47. > :11:51.started off in that, you know, middle class habit of having wine
:11:51. > :11:55.when I came home from work and opening a bottle to cook and
:11:55. > :11:59.finding I'd got through that by the time I'd finished cooking and
:11:59. > :12:03.needing to open another bottle with my partner to drink with the meal
:12:03. > :12:09.and that would be daily. You had your first drink at 11? I first
:12:09. > :12:14.drink I really remember was at I shoot. It was plum vodka. It burnt
:12:14. > :12:20.the back of my throat, down the throat, into my schtum ark, and
:12:20. > :12:25.like a fire work, I thought it was normal to have a couple of glasses
:12:25. > :12:30.of wine to unwind. You sit down and you relax, that aahhh moment,
:12:30. > :12:35.that's when I wanted something, a treat. But it wasn't a treat in the
:12:35. > :12:42.end. It took over. How bad did things get for you that you ended
:12:42. > :12:46.up here? Really bad. Really, I was emotionally, spiritually bankrupt.
:12:46. > :12:52.My life was a mess. I was brought into this hospital by family
:12:52. > :12:57.members who found me at home and with such a low liver function, my
:12:57. > :13:01.health was deteriorating very, very rapidly. Tried to go it alone. I
:13:02. > :13:06.tried not to drink, but I couldn't get past 10am. Hi to have a drink.
:13:06. > :13:09.I couldn't do it. I just ripped the tubes out of my arm and ran out of
:13:10. > :13:15.the hospital and went to find the nearest place where I could buy
:13:15. > :13:22.more alcohol. It's the only thing I knew at that time. There's so much
:13:22. > :13:26.focus from policy makers, from media on binge drinking, but I
:13:26. > :13:31.think Britain's drink problem goes much, much deeper. I think you're
:13:31. > :13:34.talking a lot of people for whom drink does endanger work, health,
:13:34. > :13:43.relationships and in a very small number of circumstances, their
:13:43. > :13:53.lives. Traditionally it's been the working class linked to binge
:13:53. > :13:58.
:13:58. > :14:07.drinking. Towns don't come any more working class than this, Burnley.
:14:07. > :14:12.It's home to my football team. The ritual of a pre-match drink has
:14:12. > :14:16.been a rite of passage for the working man for decades. Step
:14:16. > :14:22.behind-the-scenes and you'll see the professional classes hard at it
:14:22. > :14:29.in the executive boxes. How many people are in today? 320, which is
:14:29. > :14:33.maximum for a match day. 500 for a Christmas party last night.
:14:33. > :14:38.much would you have made last night? With other functions around
:14:38. > :14:43.the club �10,000 on alcohol sales last night about 14 tons of beer
:14:43. > :14:50.will come into this place over the next seven days. 14 tons? Yes.
:14:50. > :14:54.with many businesses, alcohol is key to Burnley's financial survival.
:14:54. > :15:00.Catering turns over �2 million a year. Of that about 40% is alcohol
:15:00. > :15:10.or drink sales. All in all, it's crucial to the long-term success of
:15:10. > :15:14.Last year, the drinks market was worth �36bn in Britain. It also
:15:14. > :15:24.supports two million jobs. But a million alcohol-related hospital
:15:24. > :15:29.admissions last year cost the NHS It's important to remember millions
:15:29. > :15:32.of individuals do not drink to excess. But I think pretty sizeable
:15:32. > :15:35.numbers of people, many of them working in public services, in
:15:35. > :15:45.senior positions in the private sector, doing big jobs, they have a
:15:45. > :15:47.
:15:47. > :15:52.relationship with alcohol that is I just think, because it is such a
:15:52. > :15:56.big parts of everybody's lives, we're not really looking at it.
:15:56. > :16:00.The health professionals are looking at it, and they're worried.
:16:00. > :16:03.If you go back 20 or 30 years, and you look at the mortality for the
:16:03. > :16:07.whole range of different diseases, the mortality for all of those
:16:07. > :16:12.diseases has down by between 20, 30, maybe up to 60 or 70% for some of
:16:12. > :16:19.the smoking-related diseases. For liver disease, mortality has gone
:16:19. > :16:21.up 400% or 500% over that period of time. Year on year, admissions seem
:16:21. > :16:27.to rise, the number of patients with severe liver disease from
:16:27. > :16:33.alcohol seems to rise. So from the perspective of the clinician, we
:16:33. > :16:36.are in the middle of a crisis. Professor Gilmore believes that
:16:36. > :16:38.crisis could result in as many as 210,000 unnecessary deaths over the
:16:38. > :16:48.next 20 years unless the government introduces effective policies to
:16:48. > :16:54.
:16:54. > :16:58.The rise in wine-drinking coincided with the introduction of cheap
:16:58. > :17:05.travel to the Continent in the '70s. We began embracing all things
:17:05. > :17:09.European. The local wine goes with the meal. You drink as much as you
:17:09. > :17:12.like. It's all included in the price.
:17:12. > :17:15.The bottle of wine has become the centerpiece of the middle-class
:17:15. > :17:18.gathering. You're making dinner, you knock
:17:18. > :17:21.back a few glasses of wine. You're eating dinner, you knock back a few
:17:21. > :17:31.more. And it's almost like that doesn't count as alcohol
:17:31. > :17:35.Booze cruises became a part of our culture. I think the wine is very
:17:35. > :17:39.good, very good value indeed. It's much cheaper than at home, of
:17:39. > :17:44.course. Our thirst has been unquenchable. Since 1970, our
:17:44. > :17:47.consumption of wine has gone up fivefold. 80p a bottle.
:17:47. > :17:55.Wine-drinking, once uncommon in Britain, is now the norm. In 2010,
:17:55. > :17:57.we drank 1.6 billion bottles of the In the UK, we have adopted a
:17:57. > :18:00.Mediterranean drinking pattern, so people will frequently drink with
:18:00. > :18:03.meals and they'll drink throughout the week, but we haven't lost our
:18:03. > :18:09.feast drinking pattern, so everybody likes to go out and get
:18:09. > :18:16.completely canned on a Friday night if they can as well. So we've got
:18:16. > :18:20.the worst of both worlds at the It wasn't just wine that we
:18:20. > :18:25.imported from Europe. Here I must admit that the Labour government I
:18:25. > :18:31.worked for might have contributed to our current alcohol crisis. In
:18:31. > :18:33.2005, we introduced 24-hour licensing.
:18:33. > :18:39.I never really bought the argument that Britain would suddenly become
:18:39. > :18:42.a Continental-style drinking nation. I think we've always had this
:18:42. > :18:51.tendency to...where there's drink, to drink it and to drink it to
:18:51. > :18:55.Does that make it a mistake? I don't know, it's complicated.
:18:55. > :18:59.On the one hand, it is quite nice that there is more a sense in the
:18:59. > :19:03.afternoon of London and other cities being more European.
:19:03. > :19:13.But I think it is entirely possible to see a link between the increased
:19:13. > :19:13.
:19:13. > :19:21.availability of alcohol and But 24-hour licensing is not solely
:19:21. > :19:24.to blame. The big change has been the shift to drinking at home.
:19:24. > :19:27.If you look at my patients with cirrhosis, we have asked this
:19:27. > :19:35.question. Less than 5% do all their drinking in the pub. 95% are
:19:35. > :19:41.drinking at home because that's The derelict pub is a familiar
:19:41. > :19:44.sight around the country. Every week, 16 pubs call time for good.
:19:44. > :19:49.Gone with them are the subtle controls they exert over the way we
:19:49. > :19:55.drink. It's a paradox that the decline of the pub has come
:19:55. > :20:04.alongside a rise in drink problems. I think what the pub did was it
:20:04. > :20:08.just had its own checks and balances. Just think through the
:20:08. > :20:11.cliches, the burly landlord who was able to step in if things were
:20:11. > :20:16.getting out of hand. And there are other real obstacles to pub excess.
:20:16. > :20:21.A �10 bottle of supermarket wine can cost you 30 at the bar. And you
:20:21. > :20:27.can only buy it when the pub is open. In 1970, 90% of pints were
:20:27. > :20:32.poured in a public house. These days it's only 50%. The other half
:20:32. > :20:35.are bought much more cheaply in supermarkets and off-licences.
:20:35. > :20:41.I would regret the fact that pubs are closing down in this country. I
:20:41. > :20:44.think they do provide a social milieu, particularly in rural areas.
:20:44. > :20:50.And drinking is controlled to some extent, and those controls aren't
:20:50. > :20:56.there at home. Women, on the whole, tend to drink
:20:56. > :21:03.at home much more than guys. So you would go home, finish work, go home,
:21:03. > :21:06.drink. Yeah. On your own? Yeah, probably. As many women as men are
:21:06. > :21:09.now being treated for alcoholic liver disease, according to the
:21:10. > :21:11.doctors we've met. Despite the alcohol industry's promotion of
:21:11. > :21:19.responsible drinking, health campaigners believe greater
:21:19. > :21:23.restrictions are necessary. In France, a country which likes a
:21:23. > :21:25.bottle or two, there are strict controls. If you go across the
:21:25. > :21:29.Channel to France, there's a complete ban on broadcast
:21:29. > :21:33.advertising, there's a complete ban on sports sponsorship. We really do
:21:33. > :21:37.have a very liberal attitude, and that's fine if we are living in a
:21:37. > :21:44.healthy way with our favourite drug. But the evidence is overwhelmingly
:21:44. > :21:47.Alcohol companies in Britain spend �800m a year on advertising, and
:21:47. > :21:57.these days their products routinely bear Drink Aware labelling designed
:21:57. > :22:06.But the contents of this orange file show the marketing industry's
:22:06. > :22:11.approach can challenge those These are, erm...strategy documents,
:22:11. > :22:15.basically. What we are seeing here is the thinking that goes behind
:22:15. > :22:18.the ad. We see the ad out on the billboards or on the TV, this is
:22:18. > :22:20.the thinking that's gone into the making of those ads. These
:22:20. > :22:26.advertising-agency documents were examined by Professor Hastings as
:22:26. > :22:30.part of a parliamentary inquiry into the alcohol industry. This
:22:30. > :22:35.takes you through a day, so 5.30, pop to the shops on the way home
:22:35. > :22:40.from work, buy some shots on impulse. 6.30, get ready for night
:22:41. > :22:46.out, get in the mood. 7.30, drinks at home to start night off, cheaper
:22:46. > :22:50.than a round in the pub, neck a few shots between beers or wines.
:22:50. > :22:54.beer and wine? With beer and wine, so they've already had what is way
:22:54. > :22:56.beyond the recommended limit at this point. The documents were
:22:56. > :23:03.submitted to Halewood International, producers of Sidekick Shots, and
:23:03. > :23:07.the alcohol giant Diageo, who make Smirnoff.
:23:07. > :23:10.This is about this whole shots thing. I think what's interesting
:23:10. > :23:17.here is the clear recognition that shots are used in a very functional
:23:17. > :23:20.way just to intoxicate. "What are pub man's needs at this point?"
:23:20. > :23:24.don't think you need to go further than the graphics on this, which
:23:24. > :23:27.shows the development of man from an alcohol industry point of view.
:23:27. > :23:32.They're trying to work out how that they can position their product so
:23:32. > :23:36.that it will encourage the process of consumption. And you might say,
:23:36. > :23:40.if this was a completely harmless product, so what? This is a
:23:40. > :23:43.psychoactive drug that causes immense harm. Professor Hastings
:23:43. > :23:49.believes the industry presence on the current government's Alcohol
:23:49. > :23:53.Working Group is ill-advised. It is akin to putting the fox in
:23:53. > :23:56.charge of the hen coop. To get our drinking as a nation down to
:23:56. > :23:59.healthy levels would involve a massive cut in the sales of the
:23:59. > :24:04.alcohol industry. They are never going to co-operate with that
:24:04. > :24:08.objective, never, they can't. I showed the documents to an
:24:08. > :24:11.industry spokesman, Gavin Partington. Let's be very clear,
:24:11. > :24:15.these papers were suggestions made by marketing agencies who are
:24:15. > :24:17.pitching to brand owners for work. It's not unusual for marketing
:24:17. > :24:20.agencies to put forward materials that frankly, on reflection, the
:24:20. > :24:26.brand owners judge to be inappropriate and unacceptable, and
:24:27. > :24:29.they get binned. The truth of the matter is that it is not in the
:24:29. > :24:39.industry's long-term interests to have products marketed in a way
:24:39. > :24:53.
:24:53. > :24:55.which brings the industry into Halewood International told us,
:24:55. > :24:57."Any suggestion that the documents examined by Professor Hastings are
:24:57. > :25:00.representative of Halewood International's attitude and
:25:00. > :25:10.behaviour at any time is groundless, having been created some years ago
:25:10. > :25:21.
:25:21. > :25:24.by an external marketing agency to The Government are conducting a
:25:24. > :25:33.major strategy review on alcohol and this month launched a campaign
:25:33. > :25:37.to highlight the damage excessive If we think there's a problem, then
:25:37. > :25:42.the best way to deal with the problem is to admit it, face up to
:25:42. > :25:47.it. You can't expect the government to run your lives, and nor would
:25:47. > :25:53.you want them to. So ultimately it is about people coming to their own
:25:53. > :26:00.arrangement with alcohol. The patients at Clouds have come to
:26:00. > :26:06.their own arrangement, total I said no myself for 13 years, but
:26:06. > :26:11.then I started having the odd drink again. I feel as though I'm more in
:26:11. > :26:14.control this time around. But I still wonder if I'm doing the right
:26:14. > :26:17.thing. When I've had a drink, because I
:26:17. > :26:21.stopped for a long time and then occasionally do have a drink, and
:26:21. > :26:25.for me it is that feeling about, "Can I be normal like these other
:26:25. > :26:29.people are, who do seem to be able to have a couple of drinks and then
:26:29. > :26:33.that's it?" For example, Fiona, my partner, I have never, ever seen
:26:33. > :26:37.her drunk. I have never seen her drink more than a couple of glasses
:26:37. > :26:40.of wine, and I kind of think, "Why can't I do that?" So you have two
:26:41. > :26:47.large glasses of wine. Is it an effort to say, "No thank you"?
:26:47. > :26:52.it is. After the two. It is, and then I like... I like the feeling
:26:52. > :26:55.of being able to say no. I think people's perceptions of what is an
:26:55. > :26:58.alcoholic is interesting, because actually it's not the guy with the
:26:58. > :27:03.brown paper bag and the strong cider or the cheap vodka or
:27:03. > :27:08.whatever it is. It can be two glasses of wine a night, if it's
:27:08. > :27:12.what you need. And you'd only know, and I'd challenge anybody I know to
:27:12. > :27:15.say, "Well, stop for a month, go to the same places, do the same things,
:27:15. > :27:19.interact with the same people and just remove the alcohol from the
:27:19. > :27:23.equation and see how you feel." And then ask yourself the honest
:27:23. > :27:28.question, "Well, maybe I do have a problem." I see a psychiatrist
:27:28. > :27:32.about my depression, and he thinks it is a bad idea. To drink?
:27:32. > :27:40.drink at all. Because it's depressive. It is interesting, see,
:27:40. > :27:44.because since we started to do this There's a place for rules and
:27:45. > :27:49.regulations, and the government has to get them right. But we need to
:27:49. > :27:53.look to ourselves. If you can't take at least two days off a week,
:27:53. > :27:57.you might just have a problem. I feel my own relationship with
:27:57. > :28:01.alcohol is secure. But I've probably just traded one addiction
:28:01. > :28:09.for another. I didn't start running till I
:28:09. > :28:15.It's true that when I get into something, I do tend to really get
:28:15. > :28:25.into it. I think I found another addiction. But it was an addiction
:28:25. > :28:27.