:00:22. > :00:27.course led to o bromance between two strong men. A man world-famous for
:00:27. > :00:34.sacking people. And Scotland's First Minister, Alex
:00:34. > :00:38.Salmond, keen to land the project's supposed to be worth �1 billion and
:00:38. > :00:42.jobs galore. 6,000 jobs over Scotland, that is is
:00:42. > :00:46.a powerful argument. He has gotten people to invest in Scotland. Alex
:00:46. > :00:53.Salmond has been fantastic. But when neither the thousands of
:00:53. > :00:58.jobs nor the �1 billion turned up, it went sour.
:00:58. > :01:03.Are you calling the First Minister a liar? Maybe he has a bad memory.
:01:03. > :01:08.That is possible. He say what is is the evidence? I am the evidence.
:01:08. > :01:14.It's been a PR disaster. You have been detained... All of
:01:14. > :01:18.this raises questions about the judgment of the First Minister.
:01:18. > :01:24.I'm disappointed that the plan have not gone ahead as envisaged. I hope
:01:24. > :01:28.that they will do. And weather the Scottish Government
:01:28. > :01:32.asked enough questions about Trump and some of the people he has done
:01:32. > :01:42.business with in the States. Why not say you are connected with
:01:42. > :01:57.
:01:57. > :02:03.the Mafia, you are fired? Again, Not the sands of Arabia but
:02:03. > :02:06.Aberdeen. The site of an epic battle over a golf course between the most
:02:06. > :02:15.famous property developer in noshg City and a few Scots who will not
:02:15. > :02:19.move for love nor money. Welcome to the battle of the dunes.
:02:19. > :02:25.The dunes are among the largest in the world.
:02:25. > :02:31.I decided that in honour of my mother and in honour of Scotland we
:02:31. > :02:36.named the dunes the Great Dunes of Scotland.
:02:36. > :02:41.Well, actually, the Great Dunes are nowhere near the largest in the
:02:41. > :02:47.world, or even in Britain. This place is not called the Great Dunes
:02:47. > :02:57.either but the Menie Estate, but Donald did not like the name. So it
:02:57. > :02:57.
:02:57. > :03:03.got fired. Fore!
:03:03. > :03:11.# It went straight down the middle... So what makes Donald Trump
:03:11. > :03:15.tick? I'm invited to meet him at his luxury Gulf complex in New Jersey.
:03:15. > :03:19.Hello sir. Hello.
:03:19. > :03:24.How are things? Everything is fine. I'm in the middle of a tournament.
:03:24. > :03:34.See you on Tuesday. Smashing. So who is this man with
:03:34. > :03:38.the Midas touch? One of the big magazines says that everything he
:03:38. > :03:47.touches turning to gold. # Goldfinger.
:03:47. > :03:53.# He's the man # The man with the Midas touch. This
:03:53. > :04:01.man has made a fortune turning himself into a brand. There is the
:04:01. > :04:07.Trump Property Empire. Trump Action Man. Trump jewellery, Trump Ties,
:04:07. > :04:14.even Trump Water. So what are you buying into? It stands for quality.
:04:14. > :04:18.We do beautiful quality jobs. We have had a great time of it. That is
:04:18. > :04:23.why we are successful. Along the way, he is sell dumb out
:04:23. > :04:28.of the headlines. Wife number one, famously called him
:04:28. > :04:33.The Donald. That stuck. In the US, his aggressive business style led
:04:33. > :04:37.him to being the host of the original The Apprentice.
:04:37. > :04:47.You're fired... You're fired... You're fired.
:04:47. > :04:51.This is the latest evictee from the show The Apprentice. The Donald is
:04:51. > :04:58.doing The Donald, but like so many Americans, he is proud of his roots
:04:58. > :05:06.in the old country. His grandfather born in Germany.
:05:06. > :05:10.Oops, wrong old country. But his mother was from the land of
:05:10. > :05:14.MacLeod. Well my mother was born in
:05:14. > :05:21.Stornoway. She loved Scotland. She thought Scotland was the best. She
:05:21. > :05:25.had great respect and love for the Queen. Her name was Mary MacLeod. I
:05:25. > :05:29.felt strongly about doing something really good for my mother.
:05:29. > :05:36.# When you go. # Will you send back.
:05:36. > :05:41.# A letter from America... When the Trump's promise issed the Scottish
:05:41. > :05:48.Government to invest, not millions but �1 billion on the golf complex,
:05:48. > :05:51.they were greeted with open arms. First in 2005, Labour's Jack
:05:51. > :05:55.McConnell was given a tour of Trump Tower.
:05:55. > :05:59.This is the boss of Scotland, guys, the boss.
:05:59. > :06:06.In 2007, Alex Salmond, leader of the Scottish National Party won the
:06:06. > :06:09.election pt the love affair with the Trump continued. On offer, a massive
:06:09. > :06:12.development. We are talking about several
:06:12. > :06:15.thousand and jobs, we are talking about hundreds of millions of
:06:15. > :06:22.investment. Really it will be something that is special for
:06:23. > :06:30.Scotland and for this local area. The Trump plan included two golf
:06:30. > :06:35.courses, a five-star hotel, 500 homes and 950 timeshare flats.
:06:35. > :06:39.This was a cholesterolial planning application, covering a substantial
:06:39. > :06:44.area of land and was controversial on the number of counts. The other
:06:44. > :06:53.place with a great tee, is up there, it is not so direct... The deal
:06:53. > :07:00.would show that Alex Salmond's Scotland would be open for business.
:07:00. > :07:08.The two men met at a Global Scot dinner in 2007 at this French
:07:08. > :07:12.restaurant in Manhattan. Everything seemed so ooh Lara.
:07:12. > :07:18.I would say I have a very good relationship with Alex Salmond. He
:07:18. > :07:24.didn't know me well, but we would call. We spoke to each other a
:07:24. > :07:33.couple of times over the years. I had a decent relationship with him.
:07:33. > :07:36.But then a vote came up, it was tied 7 - 7. Martin Ford had ast casting
:07:36. > :07:46.vote. This was an attempt to get something
:07:46. > :07:54.better, not an inStock Exchange to go away and not come back.
:07:54. > :08:00.The Trump Organise suggested, either you go with our plan or we take the
:08:00. > :08:06.money elsewhere. Then in 2007, Alex Salmond's people met Trump's people
:08:06. > :08:10.at this hotel. Alex Salmond phone phoned Scotland's chief planner and
:08:10. > :08:18.then phoned to set up a meeting. The next day, the Scottish Government
:08:18. > :08:22.took over the planning decision in Edinburgh.
:08:22. > :08:27.Aberdeenshire's "no" was called. In "no" to the golfing complex, became
:08:27. > :08:30.yes, please, Mr Trump. Why did Alex Salmond involve himself in a
:08:30. > :08:36.planning matter? Alex Salmond would not give a formal interview. So I
:08:36. > :08:41.caught up with him on the road. I was there as the constituency
:08:42. > :08:47.member of the Scottish Parliament. I had no government decision role in
:08:47. > :08:51.the planning. I get taken out of that. No, I don't regret it I was
:08:51. > :09:00.not a part of the decision-making. Scottish parliamentary Committee
:09:00. > :09:07.later found the call in incompetent but the decision ounwise and
:09:07. > :09:14.cavalier. To display poor judgment. It went on to suggest that any MSP
:09:15. > :09:18.could get a meeting at 24 hour's notice, stretched that situation to
:09:18. > :09:21.a breaking point. What matters is that they said that
:09:21. > :09:27.the planning process had been properly followed. That is a fact
:09:27. > :09:33.that is on the record. So it -- is it common for a planning
:09:33. > :09:36.decision to be called in like this? No. Most unusual. Almost
:09:36. > :09:39.unprecedented. How long have you been doing this?
:09:39. > :09:43.I've been involved in planning for over 40 years.
:09:43. > :09:48.Has there ever been a time, have you ever experienced something like
:09:48. > :09:55.this? Never. Not in my entire career.
:09:55. > :09:59.There was a problem. The great tunes were protected with one of the
:09:59. > :10:03.highest possible class foreign exchanges. A site f Site of Special
:10:04. > :10:10.Scientific Interest. That meant, not so fast. Scottish natural heritage
:10:10. > :10:19.and others fought the Trump plan. It include included 1,000 plus homes,
:10:19. > :10:23.and flats and farm farmland. The balance morning the constituents
:10:23. > :10:28.is strongly in flavour. That is as we see the social and the economic
:10:28. > :10:34.benefits. 6,000 jobs in Scotland, 1400 local and permanent jobs in the
:10:34. > :10:35.north-east of Scotland. That is is a powerful argument. I think it
:10:35. > :10:41.outweighs the environmental concerns.
:10:41. > :10:45.But the 6,000 jobs was a promise, not a certainty. Battle lines were
:10:45. > :10:51.drawn in the green corner, there were the eco warriors and some
:10:51. > :10:56.locals. Against them, Trump and his sons.
:10:56. > :11:01.I got busted... Local businesses and many residents on the estate. No-one
:11:01. > :11:07.can question the Trump's love of the great outdoors.
:11:07. > :11:13.Well shot, sir. Thank you. With these holiday snaps,
:11:13. > :11:19.unfortunately, they caused a row, the leopard, the crocodile, the
:11:19. > :11:23.elephant, that's its tail, you are all fired. Trump Minor looks after
:11:23. > :11:28.Scotland as Trump Major has the reality TV series and a business
:11:28. > :11:33.empire to run back home. What tee is this? The back tee on
:11:33. > :11:38.14. In our humble opinion it is one of the best holes in all of golf.
:11:38. > :11:44.But it was not just about building a course on the dunes. These three
:11:44. > :11:49.properties were blots on the Trump landscape. The solution... Sarah, I
:11:49. > :11:55.want to get rid of that house. will create a stir. Who cares. You
:11:55. > :11:58.know what? Who cares? It is our property, we can do what we want. We
:11:58. > :12:02.are trying to build the greatest course in the world. This house is
:12:02. > :12:07.ugly. The Trumps tried to buy them, but it
:12:07. > :12:13.did not work. We can't pay 20 times what it is not
:12:13. > :12:18.worth. People try to make out we are throwing them ruthlessly off their
:12:18. > :12:22.land, but that is not it at all. So if Trump could not buy them, he
:12:22. > :12:27.would make the earth move. There are houses far away from the
:12:27. > :12:31.course but they are in view, but we are turning the area so that you
:12:31. > :12:37.don't see the houses. I don't want to see the houses. Nobody has a
:12:37. > :12:43.problem with it. I guess those living in the houses have.
:12:43. > :12:49.David Milne did not like it the bank of earth was removed and then
:12:49. > :12:53.something new threatened the view. These are the trees planted. It is
:12:53. > :12:56.obviously put in to block our light and reduce our enjoyment of our
:12:56. > :13:02.home. You built trees to his property, why
:13:02. > :13:06.did you do that? We are entitled to put things where we want to. Like
:13:06. > :13:12.any other landscaping feature. If there is an eyesore, you can put
:13:12. > :13:18.something there to shelter it. Susan Munro has problems with the
:13:18. > :13:24.neighbours too. Her view of the sea has gone, but Trump security people
:13:24. > :13:28.are on patrol 24/7. When I come home from work on an
:13:28. > :13:32.evening, they follow me. They sit here and shine their lights. They
:13:32. > :13:37.are still there at 2.00am. They are there all night.
:13:37. > :13:42.How scary is that? Very scary. Because there is nothing here. There
:13:42. > :13:47.is no street lighting. Nothing. The Trump Organisation say this is
:13:47. > :13:56.untrue. That security is just doing its job, protecting the site from
:13:56. > :14:03.potential intruders. But this is the sharpest thorn in
:14:03. > :14:09.the Trump's side. This farm is slap bang in the middle
:14:09. > :14:13.of the estate it is between Donald Trump and Michael Forbes. It is not
:14:13. > :14:16.business it is personal. Everything that comes out of his
:14:16. > :14:22.mouth is a lie. That is what they are saying here. Whatever he is
:14:22. > :14:28.saying it is the opposite. I happen to be a truthful person. His
:14:28. > :14:33.property is terribly maintained. It is slum like. It is disgusting. He
:14:33. > :14:37.lives like a pig. The brash New Yorker had finally met
:14:37. > :14:43.a man every bit as determined as he is. What was it like being compared
:14:43. > :14:50.to a porker? I did not think b much about it for a time, but that was
:14:50. > :14:54.good coming from a clone! Donald Junior does not like Mr Forbes'
:14:54. > :15:01.family farm, either. John, does this look like a farm to
:15:01. > :15:08.you? Well, there is a tractor. If you get that operational, I will
:15:08. > :15:12.give you the golf course! There is no farming going on here. In the
:15:13. > :15:18.time we have seen him here, he has not been fishing either.
:15:18. > :15:22.But it is his home. Your father says he lives like a paying pig.
:15:22. > :15:28.Well, you make your own conclusion. Relations between the new neighbours
:15:28. > :15:35.got worse. Then Michael's taps ran dry.
:15:35. > :15:42.No water. Dry. Team Trump say this was an accident.
:15:42. > :15:47.The water was cut off? His water was cut off for six days? Unintentional?
:15:47. > :15:51.Of course not, but again, it is part of being on a construction site.
:15:51. > :15:55.Everyone knows this. We brought in tractors through there. There was a
:15:55. > :16:02.clay pipe that had been there for 50 years. A heavy piece of machinery
:16:02. > :16:09.ran over it. All of this became a PR nightmare, when one man chronicled
:16:09. > :16:14.the goings on for a year. Anthony Baxter's film, You've Been Trumped,
:16:14. > :16:20.tells the objector's story. He was filming on Susan Munro's
:16:20. > :16:30.property when this happened. You have been detained under section
:16:30. > :16:31.
:16:31. > :16:36.14... What has he done? Let go of the camera, sir.
:16:36. > :16:42.Donald Junior believed that backster had been behaving badly.
:16:42. > :16:45.Anthony backster was handcuffed, was he a vandal? He broke into our
:16:45. > :16:49.offices with a camera over the shoulder, trying to question people
:16:49. > :16:54.into a house he was not welcome to. No-one said for him to come in. In
:16:54. > :17:00.other parts of the world it would have been handled differently.
:17:00. > :17:05.Are you calling Donald Trump Junior a liar? I am calling him aliar. He
:17:05. > :17:10.accused me of being a criminal. Of breaking into offices at his
:17:10. > :17:19.father's property in Scotland. Which is completely and utterly
:17:19. > :17:24.untrue. Backster -- ter accuses Grampian
:17:24. > :17:30.Police, of acting like a private security force for the Trumps it is
:17:30. > :17:34.a grave charge. In a statement the Police Scotland said that it was
:17:34. > :17:37.unfortunate that disagreements deteriorate where the police
:17:37. > :17:42.intervention is required but that the police service remains
:17:42. > :17:47.completely neutral. The objective's claim that the
:17:47. > :17:50.police and the First Minister were all back then on Trump's side. The
:17:50. > :17:56.developer's tactics were intimidating.
:17:56. > :18:00.Are you a bully? No, I am not a bully at all. We want to make
:18:00. > :18:07.something great for Scotland, for myself, in honour of my mother.
:18:07. > :18:17.Sometimes you have to be strong. Anthony's documentary turned a local
:18:17. > :18:17.
:18:18. > :18:25.row into a national talking point. In a public vote Michael Forbes beat
:18:25. > :18:30.off competition from Andy Murray and Mr Connery, to become Scot of the
:18:30. > :18:35.Year. So, I'm a top pig! Look who is
:18:35. > :18:41.snorting now! All of this would have been a farce about not very much,
:18:41. > :18:47.perhaps, but 6,000 jobs, the five-star hotel, and the �1 billion
:18:47. > :18:52.investment, if it materialised, but so far one golf course and a
:18:52. > :18:59.temporary clubhouse. Panorama checked the recent accounts and
:18:59. > :19:05.calculate that the Trumps spent not the promise promised �1 billion but
:19:05. > :19:11.about �at 25 million. Now with the planning permission, it is worth a
:19:11. > :19:18.lot more. At a conservative estimate it is
:19:18. > :19:23.probably worth about �100 million. Who got the best of this deal, Trump
:19:23. > :19:28.or Scotland? Trump. No question? No question.
:19:28. > :19:34.So why the lack of construction? The stumbling block, according to Trump
:19:34. > :19:38.is the plan for 11 off-shore wind turbines like these in full view of
:19:38. > :19:45.the golf course. Trump said that Alex Salmond said it was a
:19:45. > :19:50.non-starter. I don't want to be standing on the
:19:50. > :19:52.first tee looking into an industrial wind turbine if I am spending this
:19:52. > :19:57.money. He said it would never happen.
:19:57. > :20:01.Are you sure about that? 100%. We discussed it, he said it would not
:20:01. > :20:07.happen. I believe he denies that? I don't
:20:07. > :20:11.know his attitude. I can't speak for him. You will have to ask him.
:20:11. > :20:17.Are you calling the First Minister of Scotland a liar? Maybe he has a
:20:17. > :20:22.bad memory. That is possible. First Minister refutes that.
:20:22. > :20:30.Mr Trump and I have a well ventilated disagreement about the
:20:30. > :20:33.energy policy of Scotland. But an investor does not have the right to
:20:33. > :20:38.dictate the energy policy of Scotland. The energy policy of
:20:38. > :20:44.Scotland should be decided by the Scottish Parliament, democratically
:20:44. > :20:50.elected by the Scottish people. That is how things will remain.
:20:50. > :20:56.In May, Trump launched a legal challenge to halt the wind turbines.
:20:56. > :21:02.In Scotland, the bromance between the First Minister and the Donald is
:21:02. > :21:07.well and truly over. Some of the neighbours around the golf course
:21:07. > :21:14.think of Mr Trump as something of a bully, but here in the United
:21:14. > :21:20.States, The Donald is something of a local hero.
:21:20. > :21:24.So who is in the right? What is the truth about Trump? Did the Scottish
:21:24. > :21:29.Government know enough about him before wooing him to Scotland? For
:21:29. > :21:36.years now, doubts have been raised about Trump's true wealth. Not that
:21:36. > :21:40.you would know it if you talked to The Donald. How much are you worth?
:21:40. > :21:47.Well, different people say different things. I would rather not say a
:21:47. > :21:51.number. On David Letterman you said about 9
:21:51. > :21:54.billion. I would say that is the right
:21:54. > :22:02.number, yes. But two years before the Scottish
:22:02. > :22:07.Government gave its blessing to the golf course, a book claimed that
:22:07. > :22:11.Trump's wealth was in the millions, not the billions. Trump sued,
:22:11. > :22:15.appealed and lost again. Some believe that Trump's gold has lost
:22:15. > :22:20.its glitter. In the 80s with the real estate,
:22:20. > :22:27.people saw him as a serious developer, helping to transform New
:22:27. > :22:32.York and also a larger than life personality. A bit of a clown but a
:22:32. > :22:36.big personality. I think he has lost credibility, especially with New
:22:36. > :22:43.Yorkers. Who used to have a soft spot for him.
:22:43. > :22:48.Trump made a fortune in the Big Apple, making pun from real estate
:22:48. > :22:58.and gambling, but you can't do that business here without brushing up
:22:58. > :22:59.
:22:59. > :23:04.unsavoury characters. That includes the Mafia.
:23:04. > :23:10.The Trump empire is centred in New York, but it has outposts across
:23:10. > :23:15.America and around the world. Trump is happy to lend his name to
:23:15. > :23:20.other developers for a price, but that can be a risky business.
:23:20. > :23:25.Critics say on the Trump projects, you are often the face but not the
:23:25. > :23:29.money. Is that true? It is true in certain cases but for the most part
:23:29. > :23:32.I own. As I move away from New York and from the United States I do
:23:33. > :23:39.deals with partners. Some of them are the best deals I have made. I
:23:39. > :23:45.don't have to put up the money. such licensing deal involved this
:23:45. > :23:50.building in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Trump was the front man to
:23:50. > :23:55.woo investors. Now The Donald and others are being sued over the
:23:55. > :24:02.development, it never even opened after the developer went bust.
:24:02. > :24:05.I am representing 75 purchasers of 53 units in the project to be known
:24:05. > :24:11.as Trump International Hotel and Plaza, Fort Lauderdale. The losses,
:24:11. > :24:15.the total deposits were about a little under $8 million. Investor
:24:15. > :24:20.Marc Renaud thought he was buying into Trump heaven.
:24:20. > :24:26.I was shocked. I thought that I had bought a quality product. I was
:24:26. > :24:32.buying the Rolls-Royce of real estate. I bought a Donald Trump
:24:32. > :24:39.elegant condo. I bought prestige, I bought the Rolls-Royce.
:24:39. > :24:45.But Trump says he was not the developer. So not responsible.
:24:45. > :24:52.Investors are worried about one of Trump's former financial people in
:24:52. > :25:00.on the deal. Ex-convict, Felix Sater. In the late 90s, Felix Sater
:25:00. > :25:04.was arrested for a Wall Street scam. He gave evidence against the mob.
:25:04. > :25:08.Pleaded guilty and the FBI kept his role secret.
:25:08. > :25:14.You don't exspekt to see that type of influence and character when you
:25:14. > :25:20.are buying into this type of project. That is what we are seeing.
:25:20. > :25:25.Felix Sater's Mafia connection came out in 2007. So how did The Donald
:25:25. > :25:28.react to the news? Why didn't you go to Felix Sater to say you are
:25:28. > :25:34.connected with the Mafia, you are fired? We were not the developer
:25:34. > :25:39.there. That was a licensing deal. Your name was on it? A simple
:25:39. > :25:44.licences deal. But your name is on it? But you are
:25:44. > :25:48.telling me things I don't even know about. I know of Felix Sater, I know
:25:48. > :25:55.of him and who he is. Felix Sater seems to know who Trump
:25:55. > :25:58.is. On his profile, he claims to be a Senior Advisor to Donald Trump.
:25:58. > :26:03.Donald Trump says that this is false. You stayed in bed, if I may
:26:03. > :26:08.say so, with Felix Sater, and he was connected to the Mafia.
:26:08. > :26:12.Again, John, maybe you are thick but when you have a signed contract you
:26:12. > :26:16.cannot in this country break it. Sometimes we sign a deal, the
:26:16. > :26:21.partner is not as good as we like but that does happen. By the way,
:26:21. > :26:26.John, I hate to do, this but I have a group of people to meet with now.
:26:26. > :26:29.I have to leave. One last question... Thank you.
:26:29. > :26:34.Let me shake your hand. Thank you very much.
:26:34. > :26:39.And things had been going so well. Questions about Trump's manner of
:26:39. > :26:43.doing business have long been asked in the States. They have been picked
:26:43. > :26:47.up on in Scotland. Alex Salmond says that due dill against was done by a
:26:47. > :26:52.public inquiry. Last month Trump announced that work would start on
:26:52. > :26:57.his second golf course but the fallout continues.
:26:57. > :27:02.The second course is beyond the ridge... And still no sign of 6,000
:27:02. > :27:06.jobs. Back in 2008, I am sure that many
:27:06. > :27:11.people said many things. I know that Panorama has taken a while to catch
:27:11. > :27:15.up with, this but this has been publicly vented. Back in 2008, John!
:27:15. > :27:20.I am glad that Panorama have come to the story.
:27:20. > :27:26.But the issue is five years on, where is the �1 billion investment
:27:26. > :27:32.and where are the #,000 jobs? You talked about the 6,000 jobs but the
:27:32. > :27:36.Trump Organisation says 200. Right now, in twirt, where is the money
:27:36. > :27:41.and the jobs? I think with the golf course and the building and the
:27:41. > :27:46.hotel if it goes ahead will be substantial. I'm disappointed that
:27:46. > :27:51.the plans have not gone ahead as envisaged. I hope that they will do.
:27:51. > :27:56.At the moment, the north-east has the worst of all worlds. We have
:27:56. > :28:02.lost our important, valuable site and for a tiny economic benefit,
:28:02. > :28:10.which in no way justifies the loss of that site.
:28:10. > :28:14.You've been had? We've been had as people in authority turned out to be
:28:14. > :28:18.incredulous, gullible or cowards. Alex Salmond may be hoping that
:28:18. > :28:25.people will be willing to forgive and forget the Trump affair in the
:28:25. > :28:31.run-up to next year's vote on independence. Mr Trump is sitting
:28:31. > :28:37.with land bought for �7 million, now worth on paper, at least a cool,
:28:37. > :28:46.�100 million. As for me, well, the search for Mr Trump's next