:00:00. > :00:10.second blow to the same area for days later. Time now for Panorama.
:00:11. > :00:15.atrocities since September 11. They atrocities since September 11. They
:00:15. > :00:20.were spraying bullets everywhere. Grenades were being thrown. 67
:00:20. > :00:28.people are known to have died, carried out by al—Shabab. They were
:00:28. > :00:38.coming towards us. I was trained to get everyone out of the way. The
:00:38. > :00:43.terrors made it in under the radar to massacre people. They asked if I
:00:43. > :00:49.was Muslim. And I was Muslim. . to massacre people. They asked if I
:00:49. > :00:54.pointed the gun at my wife and baby. A week before the horror, I was
:00:54. > :00:55.pointed the gun at my wife and baby. can you tracing the pipeline that
:00:55. > :01:01.smuggles recruits to al—Shabab in We almost approaching the final
:01:01. > :01:02.smuggles recruits to al—Shabab in of the journey to a small island off
:01:02. > :01:12.The recruits come from all over of the journey to a small island off
:01:12. > :01:17.world. I would like to take the Muslims living in the lands of
:01:17. > :01:19.disbelief to the lands of the hat. We talk to a radical mosques and
:01:19. > :01:23.Perry can can you who says that We talk to a radical mosques and
:01:23. > :01:28.attack was justified. For the attack as it is allowed in Islam. We cannot
:01:28. > :01:30.be slaughtered everywhere in the world and to sit and cry. We have to
:01:30. > :01:53.The Westgate shopping centre opened its doors that Saturday morning
:01:53. > :01:54.The Westgate shopping centre opened bright Nairobi day. The storm clouds
:01:54. > :02:04.of the previous night had gone. bright Nairobi day. The storm clouds
:02:05. > :02:23.facing bleak futures. Radical Islam had been in Kenya for two weeks
:02:23. > :02:25.facing bleak futures. Radical Islam feeds upon such discontent. The
:02:25. > :02:33.the conditions in which most Kenyans feeds upon such discontent. The
:02:33. > :02:41.the conditions in which most Kenyans live. On Saturdays the centre would
:02:41. > :02:49.shoppers. We have been to Westgate centre need times, my mum and I
:02:49. > :02:52.shoppers. We have been to Westgate we go there every other day. This is
:02:52. > :02:53.a British woman living in Nairobi. She was having an everyday family
:02:53. > :03:02.dispute. I was watching some TV She was having an everyday family
:03:02. > :03:05.my brother and my mum said she was going to Westgate. I said I did
:03:05. > :03:05.my brother and my mum said she was want to go because I wanted to watch
:03:05. > :03:19.TV. Ben was heading to Westgate want to go because I wanted to watch
:03:19. > :03:25.meeting in town. Last Saturday was like any other Saturday. I did not
:03:25. > :03:34.have a busy day. After the meeting we decided to have lunch. With
:03:34. > :03:39.regular events and parties aimed at children, Westgate was renowned
:03:39. > :03:44.regular events and parties aimed at being family friendly. On the second
:03:44. > :03:45.floor terrace, a radio station's cookery competition was well under
:03:45. > :04:01.wanted to do. But the piece of an cookery competition was well under
:04:01. > :04:01.wanted to do. But the piece of an ordinary Saturday was about to be
:04:01. > :04:11.shattered. Ben was waiting to go ordinary Saturday was about to be
:04:11. > :04:17.shattered. Ben was waiting to go through security. They were checking
:04:17. > :04:25.the boots of our car. I saw two gunmen go away. I had —— I heard a
:04:25. > :04:36.Eyewitnesses describe seeing a gunmen go away. I had —— I heard a
:04:36. > :04:38.Eyewitnesses describe seeing a gunmen into vehicles. A Kenyan
:04:38. > :04:51.search them. They were adamant they that we predicted his identity.
:04:51. > :05:05.search them. They were adamant they did not want to be searched. When he
:05:05. > :05:06.came he was shot. It's now believed there were up to 15 terrorists and
:05:06. > :05:10.that shop workers had seen some there were up to 15 terrorists and
:05:10. > :05:17.them making trips to a rented unit something that was planned in a
:05:17. > :05:18.them making trips to a rented unit It must have taken them sometime and
:05:18. > :05:22.the sophistication also indicates surveillance of the building and
:05:22. > :05:31.knew exactly what they wanted and where to go. As the shooting started
:05:31. > :05:37.in the superstore on the ground competition was still going on.
:05:37. > :05:40.in the superstore on the ground now a second attack on Westgate
:05:40. > :05:41.in the superstore on the ground beginning. A separate group of
:05:41. > :05:44.gunmen reached the second floor terrace where more than 100 children
:05:44. > :05:54.and parents were gathered for the cookery contest. A grenade went
:05:54. > :05:56.and parents were gathered for the I think he shot at us as well, this
:05:56. > :06:00.guy. I watched this bullet hit the wall. It missed my son's head just
:06:00. > :06:08.like that. And it hit the little boy next to him. They came fast. They
:06:09. > :06:14.us. Anything that was moving they were just shooting. There were two
:06:14. > :06:19.wearing black. They said, you know, were just shooting. There were two
:06:19. > :06:21.wearing black. They said, you know, we don't normally harm women and
:06:21. > :06:28.children but you didn't spare our women and children and his colleague
:06:28. > :06:35.just opened fire. Chillingly, the attackers began to separate Muslims
:06:35. > :06:52.up and went up to one of the gunmen. from non—Muslims. Aleem started
:06:52. > :06:56.yes, I am. And then he pointed the He asked me are you Muslim? I said,
:06:56. > :06:59.yes, I am. And then he pointed the gun at my wife and baby and said, is
:06:59. > :07:10.this your woman? I said yes, she is. He said, ask her to cover up and go.
:07:10. > :07:17.Aleem and his family escaped. Others questions. It was a matter of life
:07:18. > :07:25.or death. These guys were asking is there any other Muslim family or
:07:25. > :07:29.Muslim person? I think one gentleman said that I am a Muslim, I think he
:07:29. > :07:38.panicking shoppers pressing around them, Tanisha and her mother fled to
:07:38. > :07:51.the floor above and they hid with storeroom. I was really scared
:07:51. > :07:57.because there was a lot of bangs and gunfire. I thought the police had
:07:57. > :08:07.come like, right after we hit, but didn't. We jammed the door with
:08:07. > :08:11.come like, right after we hit, but of the big tables and we took cover
:08:11. > :08:22.finally stopped shooting and moved and just stayed there. We couldn't
:08:22. > :08:25.me to keep everybody calm. I am into the building. It just fell
:08:25. > :08:52.play dead. They won't look at us, telling the kids, please be quiet.
:08:52. > :13:34.play dead. They won't look at us, play dead. By the time they reached
:13:34. > :13:43.happen to us. The fact that we may be killed is nothing but a glad
:13:43. > :13:46.tidings. I would like to take this opportunity to call those who are
:13:46. > :13:58.living in the lands of disbelief to the lands of jihad. There has been
:13:58. > :14:12.speculation that the White Widow was al—Shabab's propaganda offensive. If
:14:12. > :14:23.example of how a Brit has been Al—Shabab sees Kenya as a gateway to
:14:23. > :14:30.jihad for young Muslims from all over the world. This is where it all
:14:30. > :14:38.historic port on can you's eastern seaboard. —— Kenya. Almost 40% of
:14:38. > :14:41.the population is Muslim. It is seaboard. —— Kenya. Almost 40% of
:14:41. > :14:50.epicentre of militant Islamic will is to it is where radicalise is
:14:50. > :14:52.epicentre of militant Islamic will radicalised join forces. We should
:14:52. > :14:53.not be surprised that there is evidence that Samantha Lewthwaite
:14:53. > :15:01.was in Lomb —— Mombasa just laugh —— evidence that Samantha Lewthwaite
:15:01. > :15:03.was in Lomb —— Mombasa just laugh —— last year. Her best ever did was
:15:03. > :15:10.found in the lining of this suitcase in an apartment in the city. The
:15:10. > :15:14.apartment has been known to be visited by Jermaine Grant. He is
:15:14. > :15:30.Lewthwaite is suspected of being an currently on trial in Mombasa for
:15:30. > :15:31.Lewthwaite is suspected of being an community in East Africa? From
:15:31. > :15:42.inspire, it is not just a movement al—Shabab's point of view it is
:15:42. > :15:47.inspire, it is not just a movement which is absurdist with local Somali
:15:47. > :15:53.issues. It isn't issue with an ideology which reaches out to people
:15:53. > :16:00.as far as London. One of Mombasa's high—profile clerics is this man.
:16:00. > :16:04.The UN describes him as a leading facilitator and recruiter of young
:16:04. > :16:14.Kenya Muslims for violent militant activity in Somalia. He denies
:16:14. > :16:21.recruiting for an funding al—Shabab. Being a moderate Muslim is accepting
:16:21. > :16:26.what your enemies wanted to be. You are not a moderate Muslim. I am
:16:26. > :16:30.what your enemies wanted to be. You and I never will be. I will follow
:16:30. > :16:41.Islam by the teachings. I look for Islam as part of the teachings of
:16:41. > :16:48.Obama and Tony Blair. He took me to this school outside of Mombasa.
:16:48. > :16:50.Obama and Tony Blair. He took me to son is a pupil here. He says many of
:16:50. > :16:58.the children are orphans. They appeared happy and looked well.
:16:58. > :17:03.the children are orphans. They memorise the Koran almost from the
:17:03. > :17:07.moment they can read. In Mombasa, outside the school, his ideology has
:17:07. > :17:17.a following among some discontented young Muslims. We know that he is
:17:17. > :17:25.brainwashed into joining Al—Shabaab. the main link through which young
:17:25. > :17:25.brainwashed into joining Al—Shabaab. However you cannot that into a way
:17:25. > :17:35.law. He also told me, a week before However you cannot that into a way
:17:35. > :17:41.law. He also told me, a week before the Westgate attack, that Western
:17:41. > :17:41.law. He also told me, a week before claims it is retaliation for the
:17:41. > :17:58.it to ATPU. ATPU then tortures me claims it is retaliation for the
:17:58. > :18:04.it to ATPU. ATPU then tortures me here, using British money. Once
:18:04. > :18:07.dangerous to leave. I spoke to two young Kenyans among the few who
:18:07. > :18:15.managed to escape. They still fear for their lives, which is why we
:18:15. > :18:18.have called one of them Ali. The reason I decided to go to Somalia
:18:19. > :18:21.was because of poverty and the offer they made me. It was very convincing
:18:21. > :18:24.to accept such an offer because they made me. It was very convincing
:18:24. > :18:26.that time I could not afford to they made me. It was very convincing
:18:26. > :18:37.for school fees to continue with my studies. I was around 13 or 14 years
:18:37. > :18:50.Khaled. The reason I went to Somalia is because of my religion. In Islam,
:18:50. > :18:53.the Prophet Mohammed used to perform jihad. I wanted to fight for my
:18:53. > :18:58.religion. The person who encouraged me was Sheikh Rogo. Sheikh Rogo
:18:58. > :18:59.religion. The person who encouraged close associate of Makaburi. He
:18:59. > :19:03.religion. The person who encouraged Abu Qatada and Abu Hamza rolled
:19:03. > :19:03.religion. The person who encouraged providing financial material and
:19:03. > :19:53.last year when he was riddled with 17 bullets. He was taking his wife
:19:53. > :19:59.state—sponsored Kenyan hit squad, 17 bullets. He was taking his wife
:19:59. > :20:01.state—sponsored Kenyan hit squad, but nothing was ever proved. After
:20:01. > :20:06.his death, Makaburi became one of Kenya's most prominent radical
:20:06. > :20:12.clerics. Do you support Al—Shabab and what they are trying to achieve
:20:12. > :20:21.in Somalia? Supporting Al—Shabab as ideology of Sharia law, yes. But do
:20:22. > :20:28.you support out about using violence to achieve the Sharia law Government
:20:28. > :20:32.state that he would support? I would not say that they are using violence
:20:32. > :20:37.to support Sharia law. Al—Shabab have every right to stop an invasion
:20:37. > :20:43.into their own country. They have every right to govern a country
:20:43. > :20:44.into their own country. They have way they see fit. The wilds of
:20:44. > :20:51.Somalia is where Al—Shabab has its base. It is an anarchic failed state
:20:51. > :20:54.on the Horn of Africa, ridden with two decades of civil war between
:20:54. > :21:05.competing ideological factions and warlords. Al—Shabab, meaning the
:21:05. > :21:06.youth, was born out of the radical Islamist group known as the Islamic
:21:06. > :21:10.Courts Union, that seized power Islamist group known as the Islamic
:21:10. > :21:21.muggy at issue in 2006 then imposed Sharia law. —— in Mogadishu. They
:21:21. > :21:37.African Union forces five years America. Callous brutality became
:21:37. > :21:57.were tired and then they made him Al—Shabab's bloody signature. It was
:21:57. > :21:59.were tired and then they made him kneel down. —— were tied up. They
:21:59. > :22:01.took a sharp knife and right in front of me they slaughtered him,
:22:01. > :22:05.cutting his throat. Khaled was also front of me they slaughtered him,
:22:05. > :22:15.did not come back again. One was shocked. The last thing I saw were
:22:15. > :22:25.did not come back again. One was seven years old and the other was
:22:25. > :22:30.six or five. They were young. So how do recruits to Al—Shabab get into
:22:30. > :22:34.Somalia? We have been investigating the secret pipeline that takes them
:22:35. > :22:39.there. The first Kenyan leg of the jihadist journey begins in Mombasa.
:22:39. > :22:47.It is a stifling seven—hour trip by bus. We were warned about the last
:22:47. > :23:00.150 miles North of Malindi, where an attack by bandits, not terrorists,
:23:00. > :23:05.was likely. Then it is onto a boat which is predominantly Muslim, the
:23:05. > :23:16.oldest Swahili settlement in Kenya. —— Lamu Island. Jihadist recruits
:23:16. > :23:21.would not seem out of place here. It is a town where Sheikh Rogo remains
:23:21. > :23:29.a well—known figure. You can readily buy a DVD about his assassination.
:23:29. > :23:32.The waters around the island are patrolled by the Kenyan Navy, on the
:23:32. > :23:54.many recruits to Al—Shabab pass commander of the Kenyan fleet. Do
:23:54. > :23:56.many recruits to Al—Shabab pass through this area? Yes, this is
:23:56. > :24:02.many recruits to Al—Shabab pass area with waterways that causes
:24:02. > :24:09.many recruits to Al—Shabab pass movement in the backwaters. If
:24:09. > :24:13.somebody is doing something illegal, they keep out of the open sea. The
:24:13. > :24:17.final leg of the journey is from remote Pate Island. From here, would
:24:17. > :24:40.But Kenyan forces have had some success in cutting this pipeline.
:24:40. > :24:49.Operation Sledgehammer cleared out Al—Shabab from its main base here.
:24:49. > :24:53.What difference has that made? A Al—Shabab was in control of Kismayo,
:24:53. > :25:12.it was the only way they could move fighters from southern Somalia,
:25:12. > :25:14.it was the only way they could move significant. But did success in
:25:14. > :25:22.Kismayo lead the Kenyan authorities to underestimate the shifting threat
:25:22. > :25:25.from Al—Shabab? A week before the Westgate attack at a media event in
:25:25. > :25:29.Mombasa, with new squad cars being handed over to the police, I managed
:25:29. > :25:35.to put the question to the Interior Minister. Young Kenyans and people
:25:35. > :25:42.from elsewhere are going to Somalia to join Al—Shabab and fight jihad.
:25:42. > :25:46.That used to be the case. We don't think it is the case now. We are
:25:46. > :25:51.Force went to Somalia because we do fighting. That is why the Defence
:25:51. > :25:57.Force went to Somalia because we do terrorism. We fight Al—Shabab. We
:25:57. > :26:05.questions. But now after Westgate, took it to Somalia. Minister Lenku
:26:05. > :26:09.questions. But now after Westgate, questions are being asked at home
:26:09. > :26:15.there were warnings. They should intelligence failings. It is alleged
:26:15. > :26:23.a shopping mall in Nairobi. Shopping have been prepared for an attack on
:26:23. > :26:25.a shopping mall in Nairobi. Shopping terrorist group. You have got a
:26:25. > :26:27.crowded place full of people. You are going to be targeting a diverse
:26:27. > :26:39.population. You know you are going are going to be targeting a diverse
:26:39. > :26:40.population. You know you are going Al—Shabab has declared that the
:26:40. > :26:44.attack was Ravel or Kenya's assault on their base at Kismayo, but they
:26:44. > :27:03.have a much wider agenda. —— the attack was revenge for the assault.
:27:03. > :27:12.slaughtered everywhere in the world and just sit and cry. We have to
:27:12. > :27:14.react. You come into an Islamic country, you are on governments
:27:14. > :27:16.react. You come into an Islamic attack Islamic countries, you give
:27:16. > :27:23.them money to kill innocent Muslims, it is the right thing to do. The
:27:23. > :27:36.final death toll at Westgate has yet to be established. Al—Shabab claims
:27:36. > :27:48.there are still many more bodies to religious because my colleague who
:27:48. > :27:54.died, Rahila, was Muslim. She was six months pregnant and Muslim.
:27:54. > :27:57.died, Rahila, was Muslim. She was cannot be about religion. This is
:27:57. > :28:05.not about Islam and it never will forgiveness, caring. This is not
:28:05. > :28:07.Islam. Last night in Nairobi there were vigils in remembrance of the
:28:07. > :28:14.successfully challenged, there will were vigils in remembrance of the
:28:14. > :28:23.successfully challenged, there will probably be more recruits ready